After 9/11, U.S. gave more visas to Saudi students

By Garrett Haake and Robert Windrem
NBC News

Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, the Saudi student arrested Thursday on charges that he planned to build bombs for terror attacks inside the United States, was granted a U.S. student visa after qualifying for a generous scholarship sponsored by Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, according to the indictment against him. (Read the FBI affidavit supporting an arrest warrant. The affidavit describes the evidence against Aldawsari.)

Aldawsari was one of more than 10,000 Saudi students granted student visas in 2008, an NBC News analysis of the visa program shows.

Indeed, the number of Saudi students approved for entry into the United States has jumped more than fourfold since 15 young Saudis helped carry out the attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001. At the same time, visas granted to other Middle East nations dropped often precipitously or remained at the same level.

The analysis shows that 26,744 Saudi students received US F-1 and F-2 visas in 2010, up from 6,836 in 2001. The numbers have steadily increased as the Kingdom has provided financing for students, believing the students' exposure to the U.S. and its education system would help US-Saudi relations.

While overall non-immigrant visas from Saudi has dropped during the period from 2001 to 2010, the education visas have skyrocketed, in large part, say U.S.officials, because of the King Abdullah Scholarship program which sponsored Aldawsari.

Aldawsari is the only recipient of the scholarship known to have been accused of terrorism.

The King Abdullah Program annually sponsors thousands of Saudi students. It generously "provides the means to best world universities to pursue studies that lead to degrees (bachelors, masters and doctorate) and medical fellowships."

Administered through the Ministry of Higher Education, it is one of the most generous programs anywhere. According to the program's website, King Abdullah Scholarships provide financial support for scholarship recipients. Among the privileges it offers are the following:

  • Monthly stipend
  • Full tuition and fees paid directly to the educational institution
  • Cost of attending conferences, symposia and workshops
  • Expenses for scientific trips
  • Allowances for books and clothes
  • Financial support for spouse and dependents
  • Medical insurance

Aldawsari referred to the program as the "Traitor of the Two Holy Places Scholarship," a play on the Saudi king's most revered title, "Protector of the Two Holy Places." The FBI says he chose the program because, unlike other Saudi scholarships, it would allow him to go directly to the U.S. without having to first study in college-level programs in Saudi Arabia.

A review of State Department records show that Saudi students got far more visas than others from the region. Students from the United Arab Emirates, for example, received a total of 1,233 student visas in 2010, compared with 1,246 in 2001. Yemeni students received 279 visas in 2010, compared with 376.

Pakistani students had the most precipitous drop, declining from 3,880 in 2001 to 1,093 visas in 2010, a drop of 72 percent. Pakistani officials complain that the drop has dramatically hurt U.S.-Pakistani relations, because those seeking visas are the children of the most affluent and pro-U.S. Pakistanis.

Garrett Haake is an associate producer for NBC Nightly News. Robert Windrem is investigative producer for special projects for NBC News.

 

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Money talks.

  • 10 votes
#1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:37 PM EST

Way to go Bush administration......

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#1.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:47 PM EST

Did you read the article??? The increase has been under both the Bush administration and the Obama administration and yes I think we are also keenly aware that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.

Personally I think its generally a good idea for more students from abroad to get a better feel of what America is truly all about but it seems like maybe there could be a process for filtering out those who are already 'radicalized'.

If you consider that at least so far there only seems to be 1 of over 26,000+ Saudi students intent on doing harm to anyone in the U.S. and if you consider that probably translates into hundreds of thousands since 9/11 those aren't very bad odds.

The other thing worth noting is that at least at this point it doesn't seem as though the intention was a terrorist attack as much as it looks like an assassination attempt.

Let me be very clear when I say that as much as I didn't/don't like a lot of the policies of the Bush administration and particularly the illegal invasion of Iraq I do not support such an assassination attempt. With that said, and considering that there is an abundance of opinion here in this country and abroad that Bush should be brought to trial before the World Court for war crimes (Bush' aborted trip to Switzerland recently for fear of being arrested).

I think we all know that the U.S. would likely never turn Bush over if he were indicted in the World Court and if subpoenaed to testify would refuse to respond.

Its possible the motivation here is vigilante justice as opposed to jihad or a terrorist attack. Before anyone gets too excited over how outrageous you think that might be consider the number of times you have thought or said that the U.S. should just take out this, that or the other bad actor in other countries. Again, I don't support vigilante justice but as this story unfolds it could turn out that this is exactly what was being planned.

  • 25 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:19 PM EST

Colleges and Universities are putting a lot of pressure on ICE to allow in both students and faculty from all other countries. The students are quite "valuable" since they pay a usually higher "international" tuition rate that is more than even out-of-state tuition. And they do not need student loans. In addition, colleges and universities are having extreme trouble filling faculty positions with native born PhD's and MD's and JD's in medical and law schools. There are simply not enough Americans with the proper credentials interested in working in academia and putting in the time and work to get there.

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:23 PM EST

Way to go Bush administration......

A clear demonstration that reading comprehension is no longer a requirement in our public schools.

  • 28 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:31 PM EST

I guess that Ssaudi student forgot that little dubya and the saudi princes were kissing cousins and had been that way ever since daddy bush started the trend years ago

  • 13 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:37 PM EST

Maybe it's just a re-hash of the old "Godfather" saying...keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:40 PM EST

George W Bush was president until January 20, 2009. Both Bushes were King Abdullah's lackeys.

  • 23 votes
#1.7 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST

This is disturbing. I teach at a community college and I remember pre-911, most (or a good amt) of our students were from the ME countries: Pakistan, Afghan, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Libya, all of them. And then 911, and they ran the ME students (and other ME visas) out of the country. They scurried back to wherever they went - some went to Canada. I remember that clearly.

And with 911 bombers being from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Egypt, we now learn that the visas were increased to accommodate Pres. Bush's friends in the ME. Scandalous.

  • 22 votes
#1.8 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST

I work everyday with hundreds of international students from Saudi Arabia, China, India, and all over the world. Please note that ONE and ONLY one student did this and 26,000 others have been excellent students, learned about the USA, loved it and go home and try to change things. The entire point of the king of Saudi Arabia's scholarship is to modernize the country peacefully. 10% of the scholarship recipients are women for the first time ever. There is so much good and hope from this scholarship that the good outweighs the bad immensely.

In addition, the international students are underwriting our badly funded education system with their tuition dollars. The cuts in higher ed would be much worse without them.

We need 26,000 Americans to study in the Middle East so we can improve our communication with each other. It will do more to prevent terrorism than any $ we spend on weapons. I do not like the Bush Administration but they and the Obama administration are doing this right.

  • 10 votes
#1.9 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:55 PM EST

This shows you the muddled thinking of our political " leaders". On and on we invite into our midst individuals that want to murder us and destroy our way of life. No sane society behaves in this manner. Muslims introduced into the free and open society of the West will only want more to destroy it as they see how radically it differs from the controlled and repressed society presented in the Koran and the Hadiths as the ideal and only way of life supported and approved of by God.

  • 9 votes
#1.10 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:57 PM EST

Chris -- You are out of your mind if you think universities are having trouble filling facility positions in law schools with native born lawyers. That notion is about as far from the truth as you can get. The supply of native born lawyers in the USA is copious and growing beyond the bounds of any reasonably expected demand.

  • 10 votes
#1.11 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:07 PM EST

It boils down to the dollar. Schools get more money from foreign students. The immigration department gets more money from the students applying. Our safety be damned. We as American's need to stand together and stop student visas, we need to only give them to countries that we are truly friendly with. But for a few years I am all for freezing student visas and removing the ones we have now. Send everyone of the students back to where they came from, sort them out again and stop the ME visas all together.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:39 PM EST

WE are safer when we learn about each other.

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#1.13 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:43 PM EST

Chris - what is your source for stating that "there are simply not enough Americans with the proper credentials interested in working in academia and putting in the time and work to get there"? I just earned my doctorate in chemistry from the University of Michigan, which was in the top ten schools in the country for my field when I entered the program. I chose to earn a doctorate because I dearly want to teach at the college level and most colleges, universities and some community colleges require a Ph.D. for faculty positions. From what I have been told, applications for any academic position are triple what they were just a few years ago. I'd do anything for a non-tenure track position just to get my foot in the door so that I can prove I'm worthy of a tenure track position. This country doesn't need foreigners to take away faculty positions from those of us who are American born and raised. What made you post such an inane statement?

  • 6 votes
#1.14 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:54 PM EST

so what is it that we need to know? Was this Aldawsari a saudi national? Have we seen these saudi national words before? Did we learn something from them. Never forget !

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:59 PM EST

How many times must we say it? They hate us. They are out to get us. They want to take over.

PULL UP THE BRIDGE!!! LOCK THE DAM GATES!!! SET THE ALLIGATORS AND PIRANHA LOOSE TO FEAST ON ANYONE WHO TRIES TO GET PAST THE MOAT!

Sheesh...it's not rocket science. *sigh*

  • 11 votes
#1.16 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:00 PM EST

And yet, the right is all frantic over illegal immigration. Not to downplay the violence of so many illegal immigrants, but it was Saudis on student visas who attacked us on 9/11. And, still we admit them to our country. I guess it pays to be a friend of the Bush Klan.

  • 6 votes
#1.17 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:00 PM EST

This brings up a very good question....how is it that Saudis are not part of the Axis of Evil, while they have a good record of many terrorist activities, while Iran is considered Axis of Evil,and they never committed acts of terror.

  • 5 votes
#1.18 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:16 PM EST

Shouldn't the headline read: "Saudi student population exploding in US" ?

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:25 PM EST

delherren -- What kind of a muddled thinker are you? They are admitted in 2009, 2010, 2011 and you want to vilify someone who had no control over those years, Bush ? Your kind of thinking is deemed irrational by those governed by common sense. No wonder the country is in such dire straits when the ability to engage in simple analysis to ascertain truth is lacking by so many. See if you can figure out who is really responsible for still admitting them to our country in the years up to today.

  • 3 votes
#1.20 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:27 PM EST

Colleges and Universities are putting a lot of pressure on ICE to allow in both students and faculty from all other countries. The students are quite "valuable" since they pay a usually higher "international" tuition rate that is more than even out-of-state tuition.

Unless that is you're an illegal alien attending a California university, in that case you're granted in-state tuition even though you're really a citizen of Mexico or some other state.

And yet, the right is all frantic over illegal immigration. Not to downplay the violence of so many illegal immigrants, but it was Saudis on student visas who attacked us on 9/11. And, still we admit them to our country.

I'm pretty sure it's the liberal educational system pushing for their admittance, not conservatives. I think conservatives would be fine with restricting student visa for middle easterners but then the left would accuse them of profiling. It's humorous that you try and pin this on the right when it's the left's policies that prohibit taking action against these kind of issues. It's also humorous that you support profiling only when it suits your cause to bash the right and every over instance it's an atrocity. Actually, I guess it would only be humorous if it wasn't the same brand of liberal hypocrisy that we see day in and day out.

  • 6 votes
#1.21 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:28 PM EST

In Minnesota all you need is a green card. Not a job. You can walk into any welfare office and receive food, childcare, housing and heath benefits with no questions asked. No matter where you are from or whatever country. We have a city in MN (Brooklyn Park) that actually has classes for people from Africa to learn how to use the welfare system. However IF you are from the USA you need to produce a birth certificare for you and all members of your household.

  • 8 votes
#1.22 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:43 PM EST

That makes me absolutely sick, cindy. :-(

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:53 PM EST

Excellent post (1.10) International Program Director. You bring up very good points. Unfortunately, there will always be people like gary (1.11) who can not (or will not) understand human dynamics. Sad to say but fear rules the days for people like him.

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:23 PM EST

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Saudis understand this and are pushing their youth to learn our culture and mingle with us. I say this because I consider an oppressive government such as Saudi Arabia as an enemy. I assure you that they consider us an enemy also. They simply want to infiltrate and eventually conquer. When they give up their oppressive regimes, I'll give up this argument. Spare me the "Saudis are our friends" argument. No government that oppresses and abuses women, like the Saudis do, is our friend.

  • 5 votes
#1.25 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:46 PM EST

International Program Director--Is that like the study of nothingness through a magnifying glass?

Very Impressive title!

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:48 PM EST

Thanks AnaBanana and let me add; it is too late the cow is long out of the barn When a leader of the muslim brotherhood will be received in this country to hold conference with american muslims. When muslim imam insists on putting a mosque @ ground zero. They have no regard for americans and less for women. Since the movement of family planning has met with little success in the Muslim areas, their population growth rate is five times higher than ours . The unusually high rate of population growth has also generated apprehensions that in times to come the Muslims will form a majority in many states. The federal banking and finance is already sharia compliant. City's like Dearborn cant ring a church bell but the call to prayer is heard. I cant understand why our leaders think muslim in america will behave himself if he cant be a good neighbor to his european hosts. WTF???

  • 2 votes
#1.27 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:05 PM EST

LA,

I have no issues with Muslims in our country who are citizens and practicing their religion. They have already agreed to our constitution which means I am treated almost equally. I say that because as I was reminded recently, women are not protected by our constitution. American citizens are moderate Muslims. If they want to built a mosque I say go for it. I do have a problem with fundamentalist muslims such as those in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan. I'm sure I've missed some countries but I don't plan on ever traveling to the middle east anyway. No interest in seeing lots of desert and oil rigs and wrap my head in a scarf. Egypt would be nice since my grandmother was born to Greek citizens in Egypt. I don't really consider Egypt the middle east since they are on the African continent.

    #1.28 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:34 PM EST

    Conway Twitter--with a user name like that--I knew your post was trouble. I know some Muslims and they are good people, (typing too fast for you?). Honestly, they do not collectively hate the US. Can you imagine what kind of a news story it would be if they went to the countryside in Egypt, or Palestine, etc. The goat herders wave and offer their hand. They don't know us--we don't know them. We just have to get to know each other better. Now--enough for tonight--hug that Glen Beck autographed teddy and off to bed!

    • 3 votes
    #1.29 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:04 PM EST

    Most American relations are involved with, power and money. We have troops defending both Saudi and Kuwait and both countries are run like big wealthy country stores; In other words, the rulers do as they please and there is not an ounce of freedom. In one year that I know about the Saudi royal family made 250 billion on our rigged market, while 401ks were tanking. The Emir of Kuwait is a trillionaire and could buy Bill Gates and Warren Buffet without missing the change. The Emir also has hundreds of billions in our stock market. They both have connections with our thieving oil industry.

    I guess both the good friends paid the full 15% capital gains tax. My point is obvious, saying we are concerned with democracy in Iraq or anywhere is a joke because we have troops all over the world defending dictators, monarchs, banks and corporations. In fact our big corporations and banks have no doubt, done more damage than all terrorist combined.

    There is a growing movement world wide for a better life and a fairer world. At the same time, our own country is increasingly dominated by banks, wall street and big corporations. All three of these groups love slave labor. They own the government and they are completely greed dominated. If we don't come together and check this insane greed we will shortly be in depression and chaos. What destroys America will be idolatrous greed not some Muslim terrorists.

    • 4 votes
    #1.30 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:38 PM EST

    This is all about money and with the Saudis is all about oil and petrodollars this is a failure of our energy independence policies and economic policies that make us more dependent from foreign countries, it compromise our National Security and our economic future.

      #1.31 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:22 AM EST

      Frank Morton---good read. Thanks

        #1.32 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:28 AM EST

        Eric, 1.1, if they hadn't given visas to any Saudis, you and your liberal ACLU buddies would have been the first ones screaming racism and profiling. Typical liberal response, everybody be nice until something happens, then point the finger and ask why somebody didn't do something. You guys sicken me.

        • 1 vote
        #1.33 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:01 AM EST

        One defination of "insanity" is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. America needs to wake up and take control of our Country and do what's right for OUR people!

        • 25 votes
        Reply#2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:41 PM EST

        stop it with the Arabs coming to the US to attend our schools. Often we teach them the very skills they need to make IUD's. Those people just cannot be trusted. Use the availability of a seat in the classroom for US students. NOW we are doing what's right for our own. THAT makes sense.

        • 16 votes
        #2.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM EST

        Why are we teaching them to make intrauterine devices (IUDs)?

        • 8 votes
        #2.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:44 PM EST

        THE gop and the little tea drinkers keep doing it over and over and over. Insane , EVERYTHING they do is over again over again over again. Just complete insanity.

        • 4 votes
        #2.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:45 PM EST

        "Often we teach them the very skills they need to make IUD's."

        Terrorist gynecologists?

        I think you mean "IEDs."

        • 8 votes
        #2.4 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:48 PM EST

        IUD's?..are you kidding me?

        Gyno Terrorists...Towels on the wrong end?

        • 1 vote
        #2.5 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:31 PM EST

        Interesting. I've gone to several colleges/community colleges and was never taught how to make IEDs. The only demo training I've ever had was in the military. Leaping-Con, I think your facts are only facts inside your mind because they don't deal with reality.

          #2.6 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:27 PM EST

          Obviously wolf,

          you have never attempted to matriculate in Chemical Engineering like that Saudi Arabian student did ... or Radiological Health Physics or Nuclear Engineering or Mechanical Engineering or Plastics Engineering or Industrial Technology or Aeronautical Engineering or the Pure and Applied fields of Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics or Physics.

          You mentioned "I've gone to several colleges/community colleges" ... that translates to me as you saying "I wasnt a good student, I hate studying and would rather grab a bear and a game, but this minumum wage crap isnt getting me any ass so I will go back for a few courses here and there".

          Although I was never taught how to make an IED while matriculating for my B.S. in Pure and Applied Mathematics, I am sure my friend Linda in Radiological Health Physics was taught how to make sure what she designed didnt blow up. I am also very sure Noel in Nuclear Engineering was taught the same. To know how to NOT blow up things means you also know how to blow up things. My Chemical Engineering friend Dianne also probably was taught what NOT to put together so nothing blew up as well. Same with my Plastics Engineering friend and all the other friends I had in science and engineering fields. Didnt have to worry much about the Business, Teaching or Music fields ... but had to watch out for those Medical Tech students - there are more things than roads and building and nuclear plants that can be "blown up" or used as WMD.

          My point, wolf, is that if you are taking serious courses in serious fields with a serious intent of achieving something other than a good game, a good beer and a piece of ass, then you will definitely either learn how to do dangerous things or be closely associated with those who do learn how.

          There were many foreign students where I attended college for my Degree in Pure and Applied Mathematics ... many from the Mid-East and Asia (including China). It was 3rd in the nation (after CalTech and MIT) when I was attending and 1 of my physics teachers was a nobel laureate winner for Physics. While my daughter was matriculating for her Astronautical Engineering degree (yup, rocket engineer) at the Harvard of aerospace engineering, the world was represented in her fellow students. Some of the most intelligent minds from around the world were her classmates.

          Unfortunately, some of those 9/11 attackers were associating with those engineering and science people and learning FROM US how to blow up things ... and how to fly those big jets ... and what we valued to understand best where to strike. And we gladly taught them ... for those Saudi gold pieces ... and we bent over backwards to make sure they were happy for a few more pieces of gold.

          And with the knowledge they learned from US in our colleges and universities from our experts in the fields teaching at those institutions ... and with the freedoms we gave them as foreigners in our borders on student visas for yet a few more pieces of gold ... they then turned around and attacked us for a hell of alot more Saudi gold pieces than we would have ever expect from them.

          • 3 votes
          #2.7 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:08 AM EST

          Hop in Michigan. Who do you define as "our people"?

            #2.8 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:28 AM EST

            RecycledHope -- Imwhitewolf, would flag every course you took to acquire your degree in Pure and Applied Mathematics. Kudos for your accomplishment. We need more serious people like you.

              #2.9 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:51 PM EST

              thanks bush the moron..... oh wait i forgot that was Obama who was president 3+ years ago tanking the economy with free wars and such plus general ignorance.

              • 6 votes
              #3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:44 PM EST

              he has only been in power for 2 years

              • 8 votes
              #3.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:51 PM EST

              Math is not the GOP's strong suit, as evidenced by their budget plans.

              Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009. It is now February 24, 2011. That is not 3+ years.

              • 15 votes
              #3.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:59 PM EST

              Actually, I think bspurloc must have been being facetious...

              • 4 votes
              #3.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:13 PM EST

              Con can't even read a calendar, what's the matter, didn't Beck or Limbaugh tell you the right date?

              • 4 votes
              #3.4 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:16 PM EST

              Wow, blaming Obama for the economy and the wars? Can you spell "inherited?" You can't spell much else so probably not.

              • 9 votes
              #3.5 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST

              Wow folks - I'm pretty dumb but I still got the sarcasm in bspuloc's comment.

              • 4 votes
              #3.6 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:18 PM EST

              Can you spell "inherited?

              Can you spell "not willing to accept responsibility two years on"?

              If he wasn't up to the job (which he isn't as even the blind can see), he should not have run for office.

              He wouldn't win today, that's for sure. Hillary would spank him, and I would vote for her as an alternative to this fool.

              • 6 votes
              #3.7 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 PM EST

              Steven B

              R U kidding me?? Please quote one instance in which the Bush administration accepted responsibility for 9/11, or the outrageous spending before dumping a crisis in the lap of Obama.

              You're a hypocrit

              • 9 votes
              #3.8 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:11 PM EST

              Ah, no Obama was not President 3+ years ago...Bush funded the wars on a "we need the cash" basis and never included it in his budget. If this was sarcasm...oops, my bad. I see one issue...the opinion that Obama should not be President...no facts. Just an opinion...which you are welcome to. But excuse me if I find the "logic" of your opinion flawed Steven B.

              • 4 votes
              #3.9 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:32 PM EST

              I'm pretty dumb but I still got the sarcasm in bspuloc's comment.

              Hmm - the problem is that it's difficult to tell if someone is being sarcastic or is merely ignorant. If you have been reading Newsvine posts for a period of time, you'll know what I mean.

              • 1 vote
              #3.10 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:00 PM EST

              You apparently were not paying attention when Bush started both wars and funded incompetence on Wall Street. But I guess incompetence was a talent he was very familiar with after failing repeatedly in the private sector.

              • 4 votes
              #3.11 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:08 PM EST

              Math is not the GOP's strong suit, as evidenced by their budget plans.

              Math is not Obama's strong suit, as evidenced by his budget plans. See what I did there?

              • 1 vote
              #3.12 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:33 PM EST

              Bush was arguably the worst president in American history It was on his watch that 9/11 took place; it was Bush & the GOP who failed to kill or capture Bin Laden: it was Bush & the GOP who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war; It was Bush & the GOP who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq; It was Bush & the GOP who failed on the war on terror; It was Bush & the GOP who turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars. I think Bush let Bin Laden get away on purpose to give him an excuse to invade Iraq and create a boogey man to manipulate the public just like in the novel 1984

              • 6 votes
              #3.13 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:39 PM EST

              Bush was arguably the worst president in American history

              FDR really takes the cake in my book and Obama is probably pushing Bush where ever you choose to rank Bush.

                #3.14 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:49 PM EST

                Nancy's Red Diaper Doper Baby

                That was a come-back with zero substance. I would bet a years salary he would run rings around your math ability...but I guess being able to add more than three numbers together would be enough for him to win.

                Where are the great plans from the new Republican congress? The Promise to America... and cutting 200 Billion the first year...oops! Well perhaps had President Obama really been in for 3+ years the tanking of our economy might have been averted (who knows) or perhaps he would have been able to avoid spending so much to bail our #ss#s out from the hole dug by the great budgetary and over-site capabilities of the previous administration.

                • 1 vote
                #3.15 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:03 PM EST

                Steven B

                Interesting statement about President Obama not winning today when high poll numbers are higher than Bush's during his 1st 2 years. Interesting how some potential republican candidates have stated they will not run because they do not believe they can beat the incumbent president. So much for your theories. LOL

                • 1 vote
                #3.16 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:10 PM EST

                bspurloc

                Nice one!

                • 1 vote
                #3.17 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:12 PM EST

                Oh my god this hilarious!

                bspurloc, a liberal - albeit a really clever one - wrote a sarcastic comment (#1), absolutely trashing Bush, but using Obama as his sarcastic foil. A full 11 out of 14 subsequent respondents were liberal, and f**king clueless enough to not see the clever sarcasm. In their usual blind obedience to "the cause", they trash poor, clever bspurloc, not having the slightest inkling that he is one of them, and speaking for "the cause".

                bspurloc, I truly bow to your truly witty sarcasm. To your lib respondents, I can only offer my thanks for a great belly laugh, and my sympathy for your complete and utter clulessness!

                Oh lord, my sides hurt!

                  #3.18 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:23 PM EST

                  Folks, can you say satire? No, I didn't think so. But then neither could the attorney from the Indiana state AG Office. I do beleive the poster was being sarcastic.

                    #3.19 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:29 PM EST

                    You liberals are idiots. You would be the first ones screaming profiling or racism if they hadn't let any Saudis in. Now, you want to know why "someone didn't do something about it." Which is it? You can't have it both ways, but you people think you can. What will be reality when you wake up in the morning? Whatever you think it is that day?

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.20 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:04 AM EST

                    Great, were not some of the perps of 9/11 Saudis. I don't get it?

                    So we give them student visas and attack Iraq, makes no sense.

                    • 11 votes
                    Reply#4 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM EST

                    oN 9/11 little dubya flew the saudis out of the country the same day.T hen the news media sqaucked AL-quada for two years and then attacked Iraq AND then declared the war over from the poop deck a month into it! INSANE

                    • 6 votes
                    #4.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:52 PM EST

                    your are right John 307....

                    not only flew the saudis out of the country.....but allowed them to fly out when every other flight coming in or going out was grounded!

                    can someone on the right find a way to blame Obama for that?

                    • 4 votes
                    #4.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:55 PM EST

                    And by the middle of March, 2002, Bin Laden wasn't even a worry anymore:

                    "I truly am not that concerned about him." - George W. Bush, March 13th, 2002.

                    So much for bringing those responsible to justice.

                    • 4 votes
                    #4.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:27 PM EST

                    GFoley -- Bush was wrong and so is Obama. Obama has had approaching 1000 days to find and kill Osama and has not done so nor even tried very hard. Both are very disappointing.

                      #4.4 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:04 PM EST

                      It now appears the goal of both Presidents was to drive the United States to bankruptcy and they are doing a fine job of it.

                      Oh my gosh, the billions of dollars, a trillion dollars wasted in the Middle East, all at the expense of the American tax payer.

                      What a failure the American government is. It borders on criminal.

                        #4.5 - Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST

                        Yes, 2008. Just 7 years after our Country was attacked by 17 Saudis in the biggest assault by a foreign enemy. But hey, Bush's family and the Saud family were oil buddies so Bush just had to keep on good terms with them, for his family's sake and his rich oilmen friends. No surprise. As long as there was money to be made, Bush would go along with it, even if it put our Country at risk. Repugnantcants always put profit over people.

                        • 16 votes
                        Reply#5 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM EST

                        I'm one step closer to becoming an isolationist.

                        • 9 votes
                        Reply#6 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 PM EST

                        Correct me if I am WRONG, were not most of the supposed hi-jackers from saudi arabia? Things that make you wonder WTF we are allowing our "protectors" to do as we are subjected to crotch searches on domestic flights. What a joke. And all you idiots want to blame Bush/Obama wake up or go back to your trance watching your stupid sports or reality TV programs.

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#7 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:57 PM EST

                        Lynyrd

                        "weren't some of the hi-jackers from saudi arabia"

                        only 17 of the 19.....not enough for the Bush administration to draw any conclusions!

                        however - when a friend of a friend whose step sister said she heard from her third cousin twice removed said they heard from a pen pal who was communicating with someone who knew someone who had heard there was a Missle with a Nuclear Warhead aimed at the US.....we dropped in 200,000 troops and blew the sh** out of Iraq because Condeleeza Rice said a "mushroon cloud" was emminent!

                        • 5 votes
                        #7.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:34 PM EST

                        b dune -- Weren't all of the hi-jackers Muslims? But not enough for you to draw any conclusions?

                          #7.2 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:06 PM EST

                          the US hypocrites will never stop saudi immigration, its part of the deal with the corrupt royal family.

                          • 9 votes
                          Reply#8 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:58 PM EST

                          I think it's the Mexicans' fault!  

                            Reply#9 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:06 PM EST

                            You better believe it! They look alike too.

                              #9.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:13 PM EST

                              Politcal correctness and "reaching out". Occupying seats that American students should be seated in.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#10 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:09 PM EST

                              Makes no sense. They're not getting American scholarships - so they are not taking anything. The king is paying their expenses.

                              • 3 votes
                              #10.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:21 PM EST

                              Except a seat.

                              • 3 votes
                              #10.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:30 PM EST

                              They're not getting American scholarships - so they are not taking anything.

                              right, because colleges admit an unlimited number of students every year.

                              • 5 votes
                              #10.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:22 PM EST

                              Mateo - you are being sarcastic, right?

                              Hmm - Colleges and universities accept a predetermined number of students each year. Therefore, any foreign student is taking a seat away from an American. It doesn't matter if they are receiving foreign funding rather than American scholarships, they are still preventing an American student from being accepted. This is particularly inexcusable considering the fact that public universities and colleges receive USA taxpayer dollars.

                              • 3 votes
                              #10.4 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:08 PM EST

                              You've got to be kidding, right?

                              Taking American students place?

                              Have you noticed that foreign students and many foreigner illegal here have more knowledge than many Americans? Some Americans have no idea where Africa or South America are located. No wonder why foreigner students are taking your or your kids place. How many Americans are bilingual? Not many I suppose, I guess you are one of them. On the other hand foreigners are bilingual at least.

                              And if I'm not mistaken the last time I checked you need to show that you have fully functioning "gray matter" inside your head to be admitted , not only money.

                                #10.5 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:51 PM EST

                                Considering how we just squeeze out high school grads, the product of a sick social promotion system...doesn't entitle them to "seats" if the seat can go to someone better educated, harder-working and willing to pay for the seat, including the hidden subsidy that comes from taxes and results in the lower "in state" college rate.

                                  #10.6 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:29 AM EST

                                  Obviously this terror thing worked out very well for the military industrial complex, so bringing in more of these students could only improve their bottom line.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#11 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST

                                  Bush was arguably the worst president in American history It was on his watch that 9/11 took place; it was Bush & the GOP who failed to kill or capture Bin Laden: it was Bush & the GOP who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war; It was Bush & the GOP who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq; It was Bush & the GOP who failed on the war on terror; It was Bush & the GOP who turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars. I think Bush let Bin Laden get away on purpose to give him an excuse to invade Iraq and create a boogey man to manipulate the public just like in the novel 1984

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #11.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:45 PM EST

                                  The 20 year old student missed a chance. But ole King George will be too afraid to venture far from home. There isn't just one of them that have the same thought. The Secret Agents will be tripled and he will be wearing 6 bullet proof vests. Poor George.

                                    #11.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:24 PM EST

                                    It's all part of the War On Terror... grant visas to the country that exported Al Qaeda, allow printers with explosives to be shipped from Yemen (didn't know Yemen was an exporter of computer peripherals til then), do airport body scans of 70 year old grandmothers from Ohio... your tax bucks at work.

                                    • 12 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST

                                     We just can't resist letting just anyone into our country, training them to take our jobs and some of them want to kill us.  When will we learn our lesson?  Did 911 not teach us anything?

                                    • 12 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:20 PM EST

                                    Unbelievable, I analogize this to giving a murderer a gun and knife so they can kill you.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#14 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:21 PM EST

                                    We don't want to offend anyone.....

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:22 PM EST

                                    So Our relationship with Pakisitan is hurt -  who cares !   Let them complain, well drop a bomb on them! 

                                    We should shut off our country from foreign students from the middle east, let them go to school some where else !  

                                     

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:24 PM EST

                                    cut em off! don't we have enough 7/11 managers and cab drivers?

                                    • 9 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:24 PM EST

                                    Its time to do detailed investigations on every student visa application from Saudi and some of the other Middle East countries. Their US issued Id's should also identify country of origin. When someone comes into your homeland and only wants to learn to fly planes, major in chemistry, and then uses these skills against you, its time to stop or limit the invitations. If you invited someone in your home and they tried to harm your family, I think that you would be more cautious in the future on who was invited into your home.

                                    • 6 votes
                                    Reply#18 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:25 PM EST

                                    The Republicans want to cut back on the agency that processes US Passports. Couldn't we also cut back on the agency that processes and approves entry visas as well? That would stop immigration for a long time and create a more competitive job market at home that favored American workers instead of foriegn "guest" workers.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #18.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:46 PM EST

                                    There is no reason to give any citizen of a Muslim country a student visa. Period.

                                    Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, the Saudi student arrested Thursday on charges that he planned to build bombs for terror attacks inside the United States, was granted a U.S. student visa

                                    • 10 votes
                                    Reply#19 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST

                                    Exactly! They will use our technology and skills against us. They should stay in their medieval country. Islam isn't about advancement.

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #19.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:37 PM EST
                                    Comment author avatarW-O-WExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    Muslims do not worry me! It's the damn terrorist israeli's that are the scorge of the earth. Take care of that debacle and problem solved.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #19.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:46 PM EST

                                    Hey, I'm starting to agree with you. Wouldn't it be considered prudent to put visas on hold for people coming from an Islamic country -- until we get a better handle on things? We need to get our immigration system fixed first!

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #19.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:09 PM EST

                                    W_O_W...you are a danger to the USA....Are you here on a Visa?

                                      #19.4 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:37 PM EST

                                      W-O-W has somewhat of a point, if the Israeli's were terrorists I'd bet they'd be a hell of a lot more proficient it at it than the Muslims who like to wear faulty underwear bombs.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #19.5 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:44 PM EST

                                      I tend to agree now. How about less to Arab students and more to people willing to do the menial labor.

                                        #19.6 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:18 PM EST

                                         Remember that immediately after 9/11 every airplane in America was grounded except for 1  !  That one flight allowed was the flight carrying bin Laden's relatives back to Saudi Arabia.   The Bush family has been very close to the Saudis for decades.

                                        • 6 votes
                                        Reply#20 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:28 PM EST

                                        How can we be so f_____— dumb. These State Dept people need to be S____.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#21 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:33 PM EST
                                        ZangoRangoDeleted

                                        Amazing.

                                        People here stil worrying about GWB, and he's been gone for two years.

                                        Read the article, and learn about 2010.....not 2008.

                                        Sheesh, if it wasn't for Bush, I guess the libbies would be blaming...who? Bambi? The Easter Bunny? Nixon?

                                        Lincoln?

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#23 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST

                                        I've got my money on Santa Claus - he's evil! ;-)

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #23.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:10 PM EST

                                        Reagan

                                          #23.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:31 PM EST

                                          Hey Steven B

                                          Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it

                                          It was Bush who created all the problems we have in this country NOW!

                                          Bush was arguably the worst president in American history It was on his watch that 9/11 took place; it was Bush & the GOP who failed to kill or capture Bin Laden: it was Bush & the GOP who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war; It was Bush & the GOP who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq; It was Bush & the GOP who failed on the war on terror; It was Bush & the GOP who turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars he cut Taxes. I think Bush let Bin Laden get away on purpose to give him an excuse to invade Iraqand create a boogey man to manipulate the public just like in the novel 1984 with all his phony code color alerts.

                                          The American revolutionary war was fought because King George wanted to raise taxes on the colonies to pay for the French-Indian war and not England WARS ARE EXPNESIVE

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #23.3 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:54 PM EST

                                          I completely agree with deejay-2890400 and expanding his or her thought, to perform detailed investigations on every student visa application from all Middle East and Arabic speaking countries. We are at WAR with about 35 percent of them and most don't belong to an army so it's difficult to identify friend from foe.

                                          • 5 votes
                                          Reply#24 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:36 PM EST

                                          I disagree...here is how you identify the enemy:

                                          Muslim= Enemy

                                          Nuff said!

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #24.1 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:33 PM EST

                                          If the people running this war had jjames common sense this war would be over.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #24.2 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:47 PM EST

                                          No, we'd be in the middle of killing 1 billion Muslims and failing miserably.

                                          That would definitely not be the country worth living in. Especially if you weren't the right skin color because you might just be next when the masses want a new enemy. For instance, Asian people might be chosen as the next enemy of the state, and away we go!

                                            #24.3 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:33 AM EST

                                            If "Muslism = Enemy", please explain Timothy McVeigh?

                                              #24.4 - Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:42 AM EST

                                              No doubt spurred on by the anti-American speech of Sergeant Ed Schultz, Tingly Leg Chris Matthews and Assange's twin brother Bill Maher.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              Reply#25 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:37 PM EST

                                              In my "Terrorism in the Modern World" college class, a classmate who is a Jordanian citizen with a student visa proceeded to bash the United States every chance she got. It created a hostile classroom environment.

                                              I wish we could have sent her back, in a crate.

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#26 - Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:38 PM EST
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