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Subscribe to RSSThe arrests of three suspected terrorists Friday in Germany are significant, according to U.S. officials, who say at least one member of the trio was trained by al-Qaida – not merely inspired by the terrorist organization.
The three men arrested in and around Duesseldorf, all German nationals, had been under surveillance for some time, and that U.S. intelligence cooperated with German authorities in the investigation, said one U.S. official, who spoke with NBC News on condition of anonymity. The official added that the men had already put together "precursor chemicals" for a terror attack and were planning a "test run" on Friday morning. Although the test was postponed, German authorities decided to move in and arrest them, the official said.
U.S. officials described the planned target as "localized" and related to "public transportation, trains or buses." The official would not comment when asked if U.S. servicemen might have been targeted. Public transportation has become a primary target of al-Qaida and other terrorist groups in the years since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in the United States, with more than 800 people killed around the world, from London to Mumbai to Moscow, in the past five years.
Neither U.S. nor German authorities would identify the suspects, but German security officials said all three were of Moroccan origin.
The U.S. official said one of the three had recently been trained along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border by people associated with “al-Qaida Central” -- the term used by U.S. intelligence to describe the organization's core group operating in the border area.
"As it unfolds, it will be shown they are al-Qaida. One was trained in Pakistan, in the tribal areas of Pakistan," the official said.
"This was well beyond aspirational," the official added. "The police had been watching for some time, watching and monitoring, planning on disrupting it at the right time."
The official said the investigation was continuing and that other arrests were possible.
Germany has escaped any large-scale attack by an Islamic terror organization, such as the Madrid train bombings of 2004 and the London transit attacks of 2005. But Germany's presence as part of the NATO coalition in Afghanistan has sparked anger and at least two major plots have been thwarted or failed in Germany before they could be carried out.
Asked if this plot was behind the general alert in Germany last summer and fall, the official said the alert was "generated by these types of plots", but not specifically this plot. "We are seeing these in Europe every few months," the official added.
German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich said Friday that the arrest of three suspected Islamic extremists had averted “concrete and imminent danger” of a terrorist attack in Germany.
The three men are scheduled to appear at a court hearing in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Saturday.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Theres no such thing as "alqaida"..this mythical group was created by the US and its puppets middle east dictators to legitimize the ongoing killing around the world. Any and almost every terrorist is lableled alqaida, any political group that doesnt follow the US dictate is labeled alqaida or has link to them, any gov that doesnt operate in accordance to the US agenda is accused of having ties to alqaida..this is the trend my friends. The terrorists are in uniform killing people in Afghanistan, iraq, yemen, torturing prisoners in Iraq and guatanamo, and renditions to rogue govts.
siryes, your message wins this month's "Best load of BS ever posted" award.
Siryes You must be living in a vacuum if you actually believe what you wrote. probalby 99.9% of the murders around the world are done by these terrorists and the majority of them are Muslim. They murder indisciminety, men, women and children. Anything that happens to be in the area they target They are lower than slime.
car31jou
give me some official statistics about the majority of terrorists attacks being committed by Muslims. I will be waiting for your facts...
siryes did get it right about al qaida being CIA trained. They are the birthchild of our own CIA. They definitely are not mythical.
You must one of them! You can't even spell the name of the terrorists. That just goes to show that these terror inducing groups are filled with stupid, half-witted people that don't know their right hand from their left. These are the stupid fools who wish to subjugate the world! As with the Nazis, they will bring down their own ruin. What a laugh!
just me-3278532
yeah- ..cant you see?? thats the US tactics in display. accusations, accusations..label anyone who doesnt subscribe to your views of terrorism and link to "al qaeda". You just made my point, there.
You and your ilk would like the world to beleive that bin Laden is some sort of superman who runs a coherent organisation with operatives and cells around the world . There is no such thing as al qaeda organisation. There is no international network with a such a leader, who would just issue orders, and the members just obey. theres no such thing as al qaida sleeper cells in america, in africa, or europe. the idea of a coherent structured terrorist network with an organised capability simply does not exist.
There are loose terrorist organizations and individuals who have no connections to each other. They have one thing in common, the hatred of the US foreign policy and its involvement in their countries.
siryes---perhaps you are Muslim? If so you are part of the problem, not necessarily because you adhere to a particular viscious religion, most Muslims are human too, but because you deny the obvious problem on the fringes of your faith. The average peacful Muslim would serve themselves and their religion well by confronting, challenging and protesting against the ruthless elements in their midsts seeking to kill inocent peoples everywhere. True enough that the USA has done many unjustifiable horible acts, but half of US citizens are outraged by things like water boarding, Iraq invasion....on and on. The difference is we speak up and protest instead of going along with it and rationalizing atrocities comming from OUR side of the fence. You stick with your tribe right or wrong. Do have the courage to confront aspects of Islam that are nothing but destructive?
I too have hatred toward many aspects of US foriegn policy--that does not make it OK for me to slaughter inocent people to make that point. Nothing justifies that. As a sympathizer of terroists you are the problem. Lets suppose you live in a nation that is killing my brothers against your will--do you think that makes it OK for me to drop H-bombs on YOU just because you are a citizen of that country? Not in my ethics, but prehaps yours? By the way--I have a dog named Mohamad.
you are a moron. in no way is terroism the right way to go about the USA beating you in wars. killing innocent people is all terroist have. its a pussy way to fight. grow a pair and do things the right way and we'll stop hunting them down one by one. as the one user posted above, you are the equivalent to slime. you disgust me every last one of you and i pray you all get killed but atleast you can say ALLAH ACKBAR!! the GREAT ALLAH. HOLY WAR IS WHAT A GOD WOULD WANT, HIS PEOPLE TO DIE LIKE THE MORONS THEY ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE, makes a whole lot of sense. such pathetic waste of life.
Siryes I May not have the statistics, but, I will guarantee that it isn't Americans that are dumb enough to go around blowing themselves and anything around them up. Sounds to me that you may be one of them, therefore, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. They are enemies of their own people.
Siryes is an Islamic radical, probably posting from Iran or a Mosque in the U.S. He is trying to spread their propaganda. Do not treat him as anything else. These guys do this all of the time.
The solution to this problem is simple NUKE IRAN. That will stop the arms flow to the tribal areas and Hamas and Hezbollah in the middle east. The world will never be at peace until Iran is destroyed. Iran has sent some its Revolutionary Guard to Syria to help kill the protesters there. Cut off the head of the snake.
After reading the Islamic radical's second post, it is very obvious that he is a potential bomber. His claim that there are no sleeper cells in the U.S are hilarious. How many has the U.S. stopped already. I hope the FBI can track this potential terrorist and his sleeper cell down before it is too late. HIs brainwashed terrorism and hatred shows why we may not be able to permit any more muslim immigration in the future. These people are ticking timebombs waiting for Iamanutjob from Iran to set them off.
SIRYES I suppose you forget about 9/11 which alqaida claimed to be their doing.If i were President i would pull OUR troops out of EVERY radicalized nation and let the WORLD know; if you harm an AMERICAN i would turn YOUR country to glass. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW!?
God bless america. Burn their children!
Why aren't we looking at the Swedes when we perform these surveillance programs, they could be possible terrorists , right ?????
As long as people are around, this type of thing will continue. There will always be hatred, jealousy, fear, and killing of people different than themselves. Right now the world is focused on Islam, but all nationalities, and religions have participated in this sort of thing. In short, a lot of times, people suck!!
Ain't that the truth!
I say we take out "Al Qeada" central. Forget this tit for tat drone strikes.
@ siryes; You are correct "alqaida" is mythical,but Al Qeada is not.You are wrong on so many levels about the U.S,we dont care what you do,we care what you do to us. Your statement is very ignorant,and shows your true knowledge on the subject of the ME.
Easily said, siryes 3303290. Please state the bases for your claims. I am especially curious to hear how you explain away the people such as Osama Bin-Laden and his associates who actually claim to be Al'Quida, and how the Al Jezera news network is a US puppet.
Hey siryes, what was the devils best trick. Convincing the world he wasn't real. Your a fool.
You are a brain-washed IDIOT.
People, People, Siryes is 100% accurate in his statement. Please DO NOT take mine or his word for it, and PLEASE DO try to self educate and do some research. Start by Googleing "CIA Operatives Admit Al-Qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication" or "Al Qaeda CIA" or "Fake Al Qaeda" or the BIG one" Amwar Al Awlaki dined at pentagon". Al Qaeda was invented by the CIA to help fight the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80's among other things and agendas. Once you can honestly state that you have done your own research and not just spewed the rantings of what MSNBC or FOX told you to believe, then come back and post. Educate, Educate. For those who might want to not do any research but yet still post and rant, as goofy as it sounds here's a quote from a well known movie. "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill -- the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill -- you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes." Start by at least TRYING to take the Red Pill!!!! WAKEUP!!
punjig, who took the World Trade Center twin towers down? Educate us please.
They can call themselves chiklets as afar as I am concerned..
But they all still need to taken out...
Trust me Lanikai, You don't want to hear Jiggies explanation. We only have at most a hundred years in this lifetime, he'll take up most of that! Something about George Bush, tinfoil and Illumin..., whatever.
@ siryes; "theres no such thing as al qaida sleeper cells in america, in africa, or europe. the idea of a coherent structured terrorist network with an organised capability simply does not exist".
Yes and there are none in Germany either right?lol. These guys were the extrovert terrorist LOL,so all would know what they are up to. You ONE FUNNY GUY.
@ pUNJIG; You say Al Qaeda came from us,no kidding. You need to remember the devil came from heaven,and guess what his wicked and rebellious ways got him thrown out of heaven and lost Gods grace,just as Al Qeada has lost our grace,by claiming to have been behind numerous attacks on us and the rest of the world. So what does it matter where they came from,what they have become is much more important,and that is pure evil,do you deny this sympathizers?
siryes is 100% accurate? face palm,ever hear of AQAP,or are they a figment of our imagination also. Also Al Qaeda in Iraq,whom claimed to be behind the attacks on the Christian churches in Iraq? Do they do not exist either. What does attacking churches in Iraq,killing innocents who are just praying,have to do with America? These were not Americans they attacked?
Tell the families of those slain by Al Qaeda how imaginary they are.
@ siryes; You say,
"yeah- ..cant you see?? thats the US tactics in display. accusations, accusations..label anyone who doesnt subscribe to your views of terrorism and link to "al qaeda". You just made my point, there."
First off I know what you are trying to say but the way you are saying makes no sense. We do not label any one who does not agree with our views on terrorism to be linked to Al Qaeda,that is an ignorant statement. Accusations??! We do not have to accuse, Al Qaeda takes credit for things they dont have anything to with,and brag about their attempts at terror even when they are failures,why would we have to accuse when they readily admit to their dirty deeds?,answer me that smartboy.
Oh wait a minute they dont exist,so how is this all possible?
@ siryes and punjig; Here why dont you guys educate yourselves,after reading this you should have different perspectives,it would not hurt for others to read this also to gain knowledge and understanding of how the Evil,of the Taliban an Al Qaeda,actually go against Islam.
http://dimension117.wordpress.com/category/islam-al-qaeda-taliban/
"It is the duty of every Muslim to support the Pakistan Army in its battle against the Taliban. Not doing so is treason to Islam itself."
Pakistan Always Zindabad!
I don't think their getting it sir.
siryes - I will give you the official statistic!!! 1st: siryes, you are a defecated it!!! 2nd: A follower of documented official statistic nine(9) yr old rapist prophet muhammad!!! 3rd: All muslims are defecated because they follow a pedophile 9 yr old rapist muhammad who treat their women less than cattle and cover them up so you can't see their age!!! 4th: These covered innocense many less than 9 yr olds are feasted on and beaten on by muslim children rapists!!! 5th: glorified by the beast, the 9 yr old child rapist prophet muhammad!!! In Conclusion: I spit on all 9 yr old child rapist muhammad followers!!!
The USA has the firepower to just about annihilate the entire middle east population , maybe it's time ????? Let God sort out the non-violent ones !!!!That is except the Jewish peoples and any Christians still there!!!
Since it is usually al-Qaida that takes credit for Islamic terrorist acts, I tend to believe they actually exist. If they don't, however, and these barbaric acts that maim and kill civilians are perpetrated just by "individuals who have no connections to each other" as siryes would have us believe, then the Muslim threat is far more serious that we thought. Without al-Qaida to blame, then there is no longer any way of making a distinction between "ordinary" Muslims and vicious terrorist Muslims. Every Muslim is, therefore, suspect and a potential danger to civilized people.
Heres a quote from my hero Ron Paul "They are terrorists because we are occupiers"
Ron Paul is your hero?? Well, I suppose you could do worse. But do you believe everything he says? You must be pretty gullible.
When he says, "They are terrorists ...", is he referring to all Muslims or just al-Qaida? I figured you might know seeing as how he is your hero.
Awwwww - Poor siryes. I think his head exploded.
No need to
educate you, just from simply posing the question your sleepy mind is made up!
Do the research about 9 11 and find the answers. Google "what hit the pentagon
on 9 11" or "where were the plane parts at the pentagon". Also, think
about it, how could a guy in a turban hiding in a cave tell N.O.R.A.D. to stand
down. Only someone with executive powers can give those orders. Pres or Vice
Pres. So now Google "norad stand down 911". Also Google
"building 7 pulled" and "engineers about 9 11". Dig Deeper.
Look at the EVIDENCE. Remember, a “theory” has no evidence to back it. Like I said,
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not take my word for it. Research for yourselves. You
will see the Rabbit Hole goes deeper and deeper. Sometimes there really is no
spoon. I do not mean in any way to offend, sometimes people need to be shaken
to wake up!!!
Dude have you tried street-performing? Summer's almost here
I do not wonder anymore that Germany becomes one of the Countries where terrorists are trained.
I was in my old "Fatherland" 3 weeks ago and I was checked by three "Man in Black"at the Hamburg Airport, because I brought old Maerklin HO Scale Railroad components to the USA. These gentlemen were working in the "Check-For-Explosives" Section of the Airport. My Carry-On Luggage was suspicious for all the electrical stuff which was inside. I explained to the "TSA equivalent" of the one we have here in the USA, that I was no Muslim, who would blow oneself up. They told me, that this was not a good verbal contribution, because they were all Muslims. This is putting the Fox in charge of the chicken pen.
God bless The United Staes Of America.
Sounds like you made a faux pas, and they pointed it out rather politely. I hope you were duly embarrassed at the time
Dougie only Muslims blow themselves up !
I thought Obama was going to sit down with any terrorists and make friends with them?
it is actually very informative. reading an English version and then going to the source http://www.derspiegel.de/politik/deutschland/o.1518,759842.html and reading a non-suppressed version of hte 2 Moroccon-Germans. CIA BEOBACHTETE DIE DUESSELDORFER ZELLE- CIA WAS WATCHING THE DUESSELDORFIAN CELL. Not only the CIA, but the Moroccon Secret Police and German Criminal Bureau (Bundeskriminalamt-BKA),it also tells of all the methods used in keeping the trio under surveillance (not in English version) and you have to read it yourself in German to find out the tools and methods used. The so-called Veteran is ABDELADIM K. who allegedly was in regular contact with a high functionary of al-Queda in the Afgh/Pak Hindukushtan area. Ableladim K. was under a 24 hour surveillance.
Oh, you're unlikely to get any real information from an American news organization. They'll tell you about some event, tell you what other people think about it, tell you what to think about it, but never actually tell you what happened. It's particularly bad when they try to report on pending legislation. Good luck ever finding out what the bill actually says!
What we should do, is insult them with cartoons, on moving vans, rigged with explosives, only the extremes will try to destroy the van. I know that would be fair according to their thinking. It would fair to them if they had any respect for what they do in the name of Alqaeda, oops! I mean Mohamad, pun intended.
Well Marc C.
it is nice to see some people are awake. Like I stated People RESEARCH. And for
those that don't, by all means ridicule me, and laugh. I have big shoulders.
Oh, and don't forget to keep that mind closed and asleep. A sleep mind Feels No
Pain!!! Just remember that the truth is out there. What the public is being
sold is a falsehood. If you look deep enough the truth of our government is admitted
by our government in its own document. After all we are in 4 wars and who has benefited?
The citizens of this country? How about the citizens of the countries we
occupy? Oh ya, it is for humanitarian reasons we occupy others. Never mind all
of the other dozens of countries that machine gun its own citizens, they don't
have some of the richest oil deposits in the world. Never mind that the leader
of the Libyan rebels has lived in Virginia
for the past 20years working for the CIA. All of this INFO is out there. Wake
up and get in the game or sit and drool on yourself as you mindlessly watch it
happen. God Bless this country. Love your country, Fear your government! Also
Marc C. Thank you for your service.
You use too many convoluted mental gymnastics, and only end up with a fantasied conspiracy theory. The rational fear that the use of our massive nuclear weapons would be suicidal for humanity has gradually shrunk warfare down over the decades until it has reached its current focus on the suicidal 'terrorist.' Ironic, no? It doesn't make any great difference who is putting the terrorists up to it.
@ punjig;You simply ignore all facts I lay in front of you,that Al Qaeda exists(I could fill the page,but what I gave will suffice) ,and that they are not a fabrication as you say,then you preach about how people are asleep and closed minded,I blew your statement out of the water,you have nothing to say. Your course is to keep writing about how others are ignorant and cynical,take some advice sir,look in the mirror.
Hey TAXI
On the contrary, if you look at my statement you will see that I never once said Al Qaeda did not exist. What I said was Al Qaeda was a creation and ran by CIA. I did look at the link you posted, and yes it is something I have seen in the past, and I in no way disagree with you about Al Qaeda. Understand that it is our own government that controllers them.
Did you ever go and do the Googleing homework I provided??? Of course not!
So, you do have it wrong, I don't need to look in the mirror. I can honestly say I have done my research on what is happening in our world. I do it about 6 hours a day. I am informed. All I ask is for you to do the same. Keep calling me names if it makes you feel good. Keep telling yourself you have done the homework and you "Blew " my "statement out of the water". (Even thou my statement never claimed there was no Al Qaeda, Just that it was CIA Ran).
Feel proud that you are a "true" American and NEVER question the actions of our government. Sleepy Sleep Time
The so called "Al qaida" existed as a group of Mujahideen who fought the soviet union in the past, their camps were referred to as "database"..but the US along the middle east dictators invented the name "Alqaida" to make them look as a super-sophisticated network with tenticles all over the world. Its a win-win situation for both the west and their prostitutes dictators in the middle east. its about greed, control and power.
Im not saying there arent any terrorist groups....But putting all terrorists under the same umbrella regardless of motives and ideology would make it easy for the US to sell their BS wars and torture to their sheeple.
As if the United States is so sweet and innocent . The CIA doesn't just gather information and anyone that thinks that is the case is as stupid as Donald Trump.
Big deal. The big bad AlQaeda. A bunch of dirtbags running around in flour sacks and sandals.
As long as we are in the Middle East these guys are going to give us trouble. I don't see them as being a big deal any more.
Trust No one. US or otherwise.
In regards to all the postings here ... I'm sure that ALL countries have lots of dirt under their finger nails, but honestly I better like to have Western "dirt on me" than the other one. We are - if we want or not to accept this fact - in a war. It is a world wide war between cultures and mentalities. However the result of war is always the same: dead people and destroyed countries. Now ... on which side do you wanna be since all parties are dirty? Myself I'd like to be on the Western side.
Now, let's get back to the main message of this article. It's about German terrorists. Let's put it aside if they are affiliated with Al Qaida or not. Thankfully the 3 individuals were not German natives. And I say thankfully, because their appearance as Marrocan natives is easier to visualize and filter than if they were "real" Germans.
Let's recall in our memory the RAF (Red Army Fraction) who successfully ran a lot of hijackings and terror attacks. If "real" Germans would turn again towards terrorism, the world would have some big problems. First of all because they are hard to filter, and second because they might be too intelligent for the poor security practices enforced here in the US.
@ Punjig; Here is what was said by siryes"Theres no such thing as "alqaida"..this mythical group was created by the US and its puppets middle east dictators to legitimize the ongoing killing around the world." Next post..
" theres no such thing as al qaida sleeper cells in america, in africa, or europe. the idea of a coherent structured terrorist network with an organised capability simply does not exist."
Here is what you said in your post 7 about Al Qaeda not existing as we believe"People, People, Siryes is 100% accurate in his statement. Please DO NOT take mine or his word for it, and PLEASE DO try to self educate and do some research. Start by Googleing "CIA Operatives Admit Al-Qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication" or "Al Qaeda CIA" or "Fake Al Qaeda" or the BIG one" Amwar Al Awlaki dined at pentagon"
If siryes is 100% accurate then you do believe Al Qaeda is a myth,you can not have it both ways punjig,do you agree with him or not. Nice try on the backpedal in post 17:3,though. Be more careful with your words in the future,as Im sure you do believe Al Qaeda exists.
he is 100% accurate, You refuse to se the truth for what it is. "Al Qaeda" is 100% created by the CIA. That is what I'm Getting at. CIA Invented it. created it, and runs it! That way anytime the US needs a boogie man they just call on them!! All Admited in the governments OWN documents! That is not to say that Muslim extremist did not exits before or after the creation of Al Qaeda. There is a huge differance between the 2 groups. One is not CIA run and one is. Not to hard to figure out, just research it. So NO, I am in noway backpedaling. I'll I want is for you and others to wake up to what is really going on. Won't even do the VERY BASIC research I GAVE you!!! It's OK, Go back to sleep, it was all just a bad dream!!! No wonder the world is in trouble,
I looked at all you gave me,it is just mostly propaganda.and leans towards its views in a biased manner.Nothing I really havent seen .except that Qaeda means toilet. The government did not set up the luncheon some lady did so what. And sometimes it is smarter to keep your enemies close to you.
You are obviously a conspicy theorist, so we needed a counter balance to the Soviets,this was surely cold war by proxy,but one does not have a crystal ball,and predicts this same group would attack NYC years down the road,noone has that kind of hindsight when wanting to win a war they do what it takes,and we did.and we did.
You say I refuse to see the truth? Sir I am all about truth, I refuse to see things from your perspective,which is your paranoid truth.
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So lets see, siryes states a legitimate opinion and this is what happens: He gets judged;labeled a potential terrorist/Muslim; insulted/ name called; stereo typed; ridiculed; and now potentially on a watch list for having "Extreme" views. Gee that doesn't sound like the Patriotism Act or anything. Why don't you trolls who sell their souls for money shove it up your ass and actually think outside that empty dome of yours for once.
@ steve; "Legitimate opinion"??!! LMAO. When you put your opinons out in public one should expect to be judged by them,whether those judgements are wrong or right is another story. Siryes came out biased and inflammatory,that is why he got what he did. He obviously cant spell half the things he is talking about. I had to reread one of his sentences a few times to get what he was trying to say in a nonsensical fashion. I finally did.lol
His lack of knowledge is evident and I would put him at no older than his early twenties. I doubt he will be put on watchlist.lol His views are not extreme just wrong,he is entitled to his opinion,just as others are entitled to challenge it as bias ,and unfair and uninformed. He has made himself out to be a sympathizer,more than an extremist. He is just getting, what he is giving,so dont come in on your high horse cussing and busting on us when he started it. Not fair at all.
Thanks for your support. Though, i didnt expect anything else from the sheeple. I stated my opnion without insulting anyone on this board. I truly think that the US gov is the world worst dictator. the name "Al qaida" was extracted from the word "database", a referrence to the Mujahedden camps who fought the soviet union in the past. The US and its minions have been successful in tricking the masses and sell their ongoing and never ending wars in the middle east.
A very smart strategy by the state department. A war against a loose group like "Al qaida" would be perpetual without frontieres, accountability, or morals. All in the name of our safety.
@ siryes; You need to learn more tact in getting your point across. Emotions affect your spelling,train of thought when trying to make a valid point,they put you "on your soap box"(look it up) and you lose focus on your main point. You did have a couple of successful challenges,eg the % of Muslims that are responsible for terror acts on the U.S,the guy never answered it to it,it is a mere 6%,he is a prime example of emotions overriding the facts.
I challenge you sir to find a more giving nation on this earth,you will not. We feed the people of our enemy in NK. We are dumping billions ,and the blood of our fighting men and women into the ME,to tamp the flames of extremism. We are first responders to world cattastrophe regardless of the countries ideals,or beliefs. We are the worlds bread basket brother.
There are more American flags out in NK,than any other country on earth,as the millions of grain sacks we send have our flag on them,and are reused in numerous ways(wonderful irony). We are responsible for helping stop the spread of polio in Africa,our Christian missionaries that is. I could go on,and fill the page but I think I have made my point that we are not the great devil you make us out to be, wanting to take over the ME.lol