Do you know these brave women from Pearl Harbor?

Update, Dec. 12, 2011: We've written a full story tracking down more about this photo, and one of the women in it. Please see that post, where the discussion continues.

Do you know the identities of these female firefighters working at Pearl Harbor 70 years ago, on Dec. 7, 1941? This famous photo was posted today on msnbc.com's PhotoBlog, causing readers to say they'd like to know whether any of the women are alive.

Do you know their story? If so, drop us a line or comment below.

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Firefighters direct a hose after the Japanese attack on the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941.

 


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I think this is a terrific photo. The native Hawaiian woman at left, perhaps the other 2 visible are of Japanese and Chinese ancestry. I say this photo is equivalent to the raising of the US flag over Mt Surabachi on Iwo Jima.

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#1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:15 PM EST

Totally agree this has all the hallmarks of an iconic picture you can imagine the story behind the picture, it is very dramatic. I would love to know who they were, what they were doing before, and how they came to this point on this day in history.

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#1.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:40 PM EST

I do not know who these women are, but when I saw this picture Wednesday on MSNBC for the first time I was inspired, my heart filled with pride and admiration for these brave women.

At a time when the sign "Whites only" was a common sight in parts of our country and when women were kept out of front line military duty. A time when the military was still segregated into white and black regiments (with white senior officers). In only a short time Japanese Americans would be locked away in concentration camps, we see these women, Black, Asian, Hawaiian and White coming together to fight to save American sailors and their ships. The Japanese were still bombing and strafing in the harbor and elsewhere on the island but with scant concern for their own safety these women stood on the front lines and defended America.

This photo breath-taking, awe-inspiring, and to some extent shame inducing to think one of those asian women might be Japanese and her reward for her bravery will be to be locked up in Manzinar or one of the other Japanese holding areas. To think that brave young black woman would have to wait another 24 years for desegregation and equality.

God bless America

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#1.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM EST

THANK YOU, Skip Nicholson! for your wonderfull and inspiring eloquence. (and THANK YOU MSNBC.com for this surely to become iconic photo) Most of us were craving to express our feelings in the manner you did.

It is so poignant and sad that this terrific generation is vanishing before us. Despite any flaws, they bequeath us so much TREASURE in love, spirit and inspiration! ... even more so, they bequeath us an eternal sense of wonder!

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#1.3 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM EST

What an awesome photo! Hats off to these great women... I hope their identities are discovered and immortalized as a tribute to so many unnamed heroes of that awful day.

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#1.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:20 AM EST

@Skip Nicholson - I'm pretty sure that woman in front is probably a native Hawaiian, and not African American.

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#1.5 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:26 AM EST

This is an awesome photo. It is sad that if two Asian-looking women where of Japanese ancestry they were likely packed off to internment camps. To anyone who today will denigrate an American who is also a Muslim, learn from the mistakes of our past.

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#1.6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:32 AM EST

HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE - Yesterday with this photo's first post JOregon posted the following to comments:

"Your comment sent me on a search.

Photo is owned by Three Lions and Getty Images.

It is part of the Hulton Archive.

Sir Edward G Hulton (1906-1988) owned a Magazine called Picture Post.

The Hulton Archive was purchased by the BBC in 1958 and finally by Getty Images in 1996.

No Photographer is credited to the picture only that it was done by a Stringer (freelancer).

Picture is Dated December 7, 1941

http://www.gettyimages.com"

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#1.7 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM EST

@ Lizard - I am pretty sure that woman on left is African American. Could be wrong, but the native Hawaiian would be of Japanese ancestry.

My guess is that the one on the right with face to camera is of Japanese ancestry, one to the left of that; Chinese ancestry based on facial features.

The two not looking are probably white, but definately the one on the Left is African American. In those days, I heard it was a very rare sight to have a native American Indian in the military...could be wrong. You have to remember these are military women in support roles and not civilian Hawaiian fire department.

Either way, African Americans did play a big role in Pearl Harbor...and thats a fact. Give credit where it's due. For some unknown reasons, Americans seem to not recognize the roles African Americans have played in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam...they only know about Desert storm and Iraq wars...

Wish MSNBC could let us in on who these women really are and if they are still around...they deserve a monument just like the boys rasing the flag in Iwojima and a little respect from the American people. Any clues anybody?

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#1.8 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST

I too was touched and inspired by the photo when I first saw it. The irony of women of Japanese descent fighting fires during the attack will not be lost on anybody who saw it. I'm surprised I've never seen this photo before. Although, I doubt if it was put into general circulation afterwards

I doubt any of these women were shipped off to internment camps. Most of the population of Hawaii were against sending any of their people of Japanese descent off to the mainland, and only those who were suspected of strong ties to Japan were interred.

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#1.9 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM EST

My first impression is the woman on the left is black. But regardless, it is a stunning, awe-inspiring photograph. Heroic. I'm assuming the women are Navy nurses. They are wearing what appears to be chambray shirts and dungarees (jeans) which was the Navy work duty dress at the time.

Thank you all for your kind comments. But most all all remember the times, the tragedy, and the heriocs of these unsung women.

    #1.10 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:25 AM EST

    I agree the woman is Hawaiin. We all r technocolor people

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    #1.11 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST

    Oh come on. Good job yes but not Iwo Jima level or significance.

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    #1.12 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST

    I have to reply to multiple things in this post to all the people saying its a fake:

    1-This would have been a very political photo back then so they would have chosen to not publish it. It could have been lost in the shuffle. It has some technical flaws and editors might not have chosen it. Remember before the internet you had to pick and choose wisely.

    2- As to the question of the feet and extra people: There's a second hose behind them! See the water stream? See the hose? See the hat of a person holding it? See the extra feet of people holding it? There's someone standing holding the hose wearing a hat, and someone kneeling holding the hose lower down behind lady #4. They're wearing those 2 toned shoes. By her stance, Lady #4 with her face turned from the camera, might even have a hand on both hoses.

    3- Why are that many people holding 1 hose? Fire hoses have EXTREME pressure and are hard to maintain even by men. This scene is familiar to anyone familiar with fire firefighting.

    4- Why aren't they upset? They have mixed emotions of determination, anger, and sadness. The men on the pier in the background are just in shock and gaping I bet. They've got a job to do and they're determined to do it. They'll cry later. That's what tough people do. They get the job done and cry later!

    5- As to their mixed races etc. HI has always been like that. Get a clue.

    GEEZ

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    #1.13 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM EST

    @DocHolliday......If you look at the feet of the women in this photo, only the one holding the nozzle appears to be wearing military shoes. Remembering what day that photo was taken, the only thing that matters is that these women ran into the action and the danger to do what they could.

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    #1.14 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM EST

    by the way they are dressed, it looks like they may have been factory workers. at that period in time that was dress code. i have seen pictures of an aunt and she had on the same outfit and my mother told me it was dress code for factory workers. i would like to know who as well. need to check local factory records for that time, JUST SAYIN..

      #1.15 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST

      Interesting photo no doubt, but you people are trying to read way to much into it next you will have them knocking Japanese planes out of the sky with fire hoses! looks like it was taken in the aftermath of the attack, the woman in the front appearsto be Polynesian not African American the features are a dead giveaway, the middle two are obviously of Japanese decent. I'll agree with it being dangerous, fighting fire around unexploded ordinances is risky. I wish the photographer kept a better record. this could have been something heroic or totally different then that. maybe in a short time something will show up. I hope its not a beer keg on a cable. the thing I notice most is their attire it doesn't look like they are dressed for a normal Sunday morning and got caught in a attack. it appears they dressed for the task they were engaged in.

        #1.16 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST

        Childrex, what a sexist and stupid thing to say. These women are every bit as heroic as the men who raised the flag on Mount Surabachi. What, just because they fighting with a hose instead of a Garand you rate their actions less important. Shame on you.

          #1.17 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST

          No they are not. Do not elevate actions because of their gender- that is sexist!

            #1.18 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST

            Podna, I'm a state-certified Civil Rights investigator with more than a dozen years of experience. I am trained and state-certified to KNOW sexist behavior and attitudes when I encounter them. Your statement is sexist.

            These women are heroes and their acts of bravery should be celebrated.

            And I still say shame on you for your lack of understanding, appreciation and sensitivity.

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            #1.19 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM EST

            State certified! Wow. You did find out this picture was not taken on Pearl Harbor Day, right?

              #1.20 - Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST
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              I love pictures like this that cause you to think and wonder who they were, what did they normally do, and was this truly professional firefighters. I do hope you find these brave women and report back to us. What an impelling photograph. This photograph, I think, is along the same dramatic line of Iwo Jima and the firefighters at Ground Zero! Why have we never seen this before?

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              Reply#2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:55 PM EST

              you've never seen it before for the same reason there are only white soldiers in every movie made about any us war before the '70's.

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              #2.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST

              See Frank Capra's awe-inspiring 1940s film "The Negro Soldier."

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              #2.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:47 AM EST

              too bad people were not as worried to find the truth of BARRY O and where he came from as they are these women in this photo,so they could discredit them.

                #2.3 - Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST
                GenenutDeleted
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                I got goose bumps when I saw this picture. The one Japanese woman might have ended up in one of the internment camps for US citizens of Japanese descent.

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                Reply#3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:49 PM EST

                I, too, noticed that two of them seemed to be Asian, which led me, too, to wonder what happened to them after so many Asian Americans were interned.

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                #3.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:42 AM EST

                Hawaiians were not sent to camps. Only on West Coast.

                  #3.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST
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                  the iconic photo of the Marines raising a flag at Iwo Jima was posed and never intended to be considered "under fire" - the main reason it was posed is that one of those who raised it under fire was a medic who was wearing a Navy side arm, so the photo was re-shot.

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                  Reply#4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:23 PM EST

                  you're an idiot. the mountain had been cleared before the first flag went up. no one has ever said it was 'under fire'. how do you account for the movie film of the flag raising showing it was one complete action and nothing close to being 'posed'.

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                  #4.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:08 AM EST

                  The only reason it was re-taken it's because the flag was too small. As to the Navy guy, in WWII corpsmen from the navy were attached to Marine units, for the leathernecks were (and still are today) part of the Department of the Navy.

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                  #4.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST

                  No, the Iowa Jima photo was not "staged." That's been a persistent myth. It was the second flag raised, but not for the reason you give. And the photographer nearly missed the action. You can, as they say, look it up. Start here and follow the sources cited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima.

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                  #4.3 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST

                  Bill - this was intended for kbmoma. Sri but put it in wrong spot.

                  Time to read your photo history book.

                  The Iwo Jima photo was the second flag raising atop Suribachi, this time to replace the smaller flag not easily seen from the navy flotilla offshore.

                  The photographer, Joe Rosenthal, when answering a message from AP headquarters in New York via radio while still at Iwo, said his photo was posed when he thought the question referred to the group photo he shot after the flag raising. He didn't know the now iconic flag raising photo was a successful image and assumed the discussion was about the group shot.

                  An article in "American Heritage" in June 1964 details "The first flag-raising at Iwo Jima" and the story of how the second photo happened. Only one of the men in the first flag raising is in the second photo. Navy Corpsman John Bradley whose son, James Bradley, wrote "Flags of our Fathers" detailing the epic climb up the volcano.

                  This is a common mistake when speaking of Joe's remarkable photo.

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                  #4.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST
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                  Comment author avatarJr RichardsonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Having never seen this photo before, makes me wonder if it was faked by msnbc to try to push some agenda.

                  If it is true, I would like to know more about them. I have been a WWII buff since I was in the fifth grade and have never seen this photo. I have read about the WAVES an WACs during WWII but never heard about any women Pearl Harbor fire fighters on December 7th.

                    Reply#5 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:51 AM EST

                    Jr. There looks to be someone in the water, left side of picture. Don't think it was fake. There is allot of pressure that comes through those hoses as any firefighter would tell you.

                      #5.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:48 AM EST

                      "Having never seen this photo before, makes me wonder if it was faked by msnbc to try to push some agenda."

                      Unless you work in the National Archives photo division I would think there are many WWII photos you have not seen. Your Comment sounds like YOU are pushing an agenda. How many people outside the African American community knew of Dorey Miller before the movie Pearl Harbor?

                      He was a cook who took over an abandoned gun this photo shows women fighting a fire, they could have been office workers that morning for all we know from the photograph.

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                      #5.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM EST

                      Really glad I don't have your life - too many boogeymen everywhere.

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                      #5.3 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST

                      Jr Richardson

                      I honestly can not understand why you would think that this photo is not the real deal??? I am 59 years old and have been a WWII buff ever since I was 9 years old and it is clear to me that this is a photo of the period. Also this business about having some type of agenda is foolishness clear and simple. These women are patriots and should be treated accordingly and yes, they should be recognized on the same level as the iconic photo of the flag raising done on Mt Surabachi on Iwo Jima. I suspect that the only reason this photo never received the air time it deserves is the fact the several of the women were of Asian decent and the press or the War Department figured that it wouldn’t play well by the American public at the time. We need to find out who these women are even if they have passed so we can accord them the respect and credit they deserve as members of the armed forces of the United States of America because it is way beyond the time that this should have been done.

                        #5.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST
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                        One reason us WWII buffs might have never seen this photo before is that at the time it was taken it probably would have been too controversial. The photo, including a woman who at least appears Japanese, would not have been good to publish before or during the government's internment of Japanese Americans, at least in the eyes of the people bent on creating the camps. That conspiracy theory aside, it may have simply been that whichever editor looked at this photo decided to pass on getting it press becuase they were locals. If they had been U.S. Army nurses, definitely. But local firefighters? Nah.

                        I've studied WWII a bit myself and even lived on Oahu for a few years, and I also find it interesting and sad that I only saw this photo for the first time a few years ago. I believe fires raged around Pearl for a few days or more after the attack, so there would have been plenty of opportunities for dramatic footage like this. Overall, most footage I've seen and stories I've read of Pearl Harbor involve Americans stationed at the base and not the locals living around it (let's not forget Hawai'i was not a state in 1941.) Local stories probably wouldn't have sold or made the same waves on the Mainland.

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                        Reply#6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:06 AM EST

                        My father (of blessed memory 1916-2006) served in the Army in Hawaii right after Pearl Harbor. He told me many stories about his WWII stint. I have recorded about 4 hours of his life stories. He said that he worked in a supply office with many Asian women at Hickam Air Field. Before that job, he laid oil pipe at the air field for 6 months. He didn't know their ancestry; Hawaiian, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. He said he had a crush on one of them, but he was re-assigned to Buffalo, NY. There, he met my Canadian mother.

                        Those women pictured there that day in that photo and many others are to be praised for their heroism. Hope that someone recognizes them and reports back here.

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                        #6.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM EST
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                        Just out of curiosity, did you contact the Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard and ask them? These women were shipyard workers and, if I remember correctly, at least one of them is known/has been identified. As for Mr. Richardson's comment, I can assure you that the photo is *not* faked; Hawaiian women have long played an active and important role at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard, a history that has been ignored in favor of more "conventional" subjects, like the WAVES.

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                        Reply#7 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:25 AM EST

                        One has to remember the zeitgeist of 1941. It would have been almost impossible to get newspapers to publish photos of non-whites being heroic. it was WWII and then the Korean War that began to change how we thought about race relations. Without WWII, we might never have had a Civil Rights era. And even look at the photograph images of the WACs, WAVEs and WASPs. They are all very passive. This picture would have seemed too radical to edictors of that time - non-white, women engaged in potentially dangerous and heroic activities. It's not surprising to me that this picture has taken decades to surface. We don't even talk much about the women who were captured and made POWs by the Japanese. There were even female nurses at Bataan who were captured.

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                        Reply#8 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:03 AM EST

                        Japanese and Japanese Americans on the Hawaiian Islands were not interned...only those in the western states of mainland.

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                        Reply#9 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM EST

                        You are wrong Michelle. Japanese-Americans WERE placed in Internment Camps in Hawaii. They all lost their jobs and homes just for being Japanese. Also, Japanese ALL OVER the US were placed in camps not just those in the western US. That's where most of the camps were built. The US shipped Japanese-Americans from all over the US to those camps.

                        Learn your history and stop sleeping in class. Those US CITIZENS lost eveything because of a paranoid government and white US citizens who did nothing to stop it because of irrational fear.

                        We almost did the same thing when 9/11 happened. Many wanted to round up everyone of middle eastern decent and cage them. Many people, most of them Republicans, would still like to do it.

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                        #9.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM EST

                        @Michelle: Incorrect on both points. First, although many Japanese and Japanese Americans in Hawai'i were not interned, some were, either in Hawai'i or on the Mainland. There were at least five internment camps in Hawai'i, of which the ones at Sand Island, Honouliuli, and Haiku are the best documented. Second, Japanese and Japanese Americans all over the U.S. states and territories were interned, not "only" those in the western states. See Seabrook, NJ and (ironically) Ellis Island for well-known histories in the Eastern U.S.

                          #9.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST

                          Michelle is correct. Some few Japanese were taken into custody because of suspicious activity but there was no general roundup and interment as there was on the mainland. It was decided that it was economically imposable to remove that much labor from the islands workforce.

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                          #9.3 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST
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                          The picture was originally part of a Life magazine spread about women at war. Was it posed? I don't know, but I know first hand from family members that Hawaiin citizens, both male and female jumped to help as soon as they realized what was happening.

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                          Reply#10 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:13 AM EST

                          My Uncle 'Mooney' (Munitake) was a young man driving a truck when the attack happened. He was in Wahiawa, near Schofield Barracks. The Navy SP's commandeered his truck, and he was tasked with collecting bodies and moving them to makeshift morgues.

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                          #10.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:06 AM EST
                          Rocket DogDeleted
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                          kbmoma....the famous Iwo Jima photo was not staged. Joe Rosenthal was referring to a different photo when he stated that his photograph was staged. The "staged" photograph that Rosenthal was referring to shows a large number of U.S. soldiers standing around the raised flag celebrating. The famous flag raising photograph does include the Navy medic John Bradley. Rosenthal also stated that if he had posed that photograph he would have had the men facing the camera to make it more marketable. I suggest you read "Flags of our Fathers". It is a superb book which recounts the entire event as well as telling the story of the five men featured in the photo. "Flags of our Fathers" was written by John Bradley's son.

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                          Reply#11 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM EST

                          If the picture is a real, it certainly makes an emotional statement, one which should be turned into a monument to honor not just these women but all the women who participated in saving lives on this day in history.

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                          Reply#12 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM EST
                          cmnsnsDeleted

                          I saw this photo yesturday and my eyes were fixed on this picuture. I looked at their faces and wondered what was going through their mind. I also wondered if any of them were still alive. They are beautiful women and I think this picture shows how brave they were. I also loved looking at the clothing they wore!

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                          Reply#14 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST

                          No I don't these brave women, but I think that picture should be sent to every woman in the Middle East with the message, "why are you still slaves".

                          These women stand for what all American women already know. If they have to they CAN STEP up and be EQUALS with ANY MAN and deserve to be treated as equals.

                          If it were not for the women holding down the home front, chances were better that we would all be doing the goose step. That is when women evolved and really understood that they are as good at working and defending the nation as men.

                          I hope they were NOT rewarded by being interned. What a really big black mark that would be on our government to the native people and the Asians that lived there.

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                          Reply#15 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM EST

                          "That is when women evolved and really understood that they are as good at working and defending the nation as men."

                          Correction - that is when MEN understood that women are as good at working and defending the nation as men. Women knew that for centuries before that.

                            #15.1 - Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:41 AM EST
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                            Comment author avatarJeff US Navy Veteran (wheaton, Illinois)Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                            I don't believe this picture is real. I was home ported out of Pearl in the 70's and never seen or heard of railroad cars anywhere near the piers. Also why would the women be wearing dungrees 1 with boots one with white canvass shoes, 1 with loafers, and when would ALL of them had time to roll up their shirt sleeves & pants. I believe this was staged by Life. I have the HIGHEST regards for ALL the women who have served in all the wars, most of them didn't even carry guns and were on or near the lines.

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                            Reply#16 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:45 AM EST

                            Jeff, the Oahu Railraod Co. was in business back then, The tracks are still visible around parts of the island, especially around the Waiane/Pokai Bay area. Close to our old surfing spot on the west shore, affectionally called "Tracks".

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                            #16.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST

                            To roll your sleeves up like that you usually need to take the shirt off and do it before you put it on. So they may have had these shirts ready to go already rolled up.

                            Look at their hair. Couple of them looked like they were trying to get ready to go somewhere?

                            If the photo was staged then why would the people creating the photo go to the extent to have someone lay down on the fire hose face up. Look at the lower right of the photo, there is a leg and foot that is bent and the rest of the body is out of the photo.

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                            #16.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:14 AM EST
                            Rocket DogDeleted

                            Jeff,

                            Even my husbands little port in Sasebo has rail tracks DOCKSIDE in the 90's. We were stationed there for several years in the 90's.

                            All ports back then (40's) had rail lines on them as Railroads were how goods were transported around. Heck even "great mistakes" has rail lines on the base and they arent on an ocean port. Apparently you were not very observant during your time in the service... too much drinking maybe?

                              #16.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:10 PM EST
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                              The pic is SO multi ethnic as to raise the spectre of hoax.

                              The co-incidence factor is also suspect considering several leftist medias have published 'interment' (which is actually a burial term to increase hostility towards WW2 veterans and generation) rather than any condemnation of the despicable attack itself.

                              That generation defeated an evil so heinous imperial japan and nazis performed horrible live experiments on POW children after engaging in the fight of its' life!

                              If a hoax it would have been better to honestly post it as posed.

                              I would have celebrated it as such.

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                              Reply#17 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM EST

                              What? Not enough white Southern Baptist women in the picture for your taste? Hawaii was/is pretty multi-ethnic, so it seems to make sense. Perhaps the two women facing away from the camera are Donna Reed and Harriet Nelson.

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                              #17.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST
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                              having worked in a US Naval Shipyard, there are not alot of shipyard employees on duty on Sunday mornings. Even in the 1990s, we had very few female trades people. This photo looks very much stagged and late in the war.

                                Reply#18 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:58 AM EST

                                I think everyone needs to remember; it was early Sunday morning in Hawaii when this happened. These girls may have been getting ready to go to church, or just been waking up to start their day. If they worked in the shipyards already, they would have worn dungarees and boots. When the alarms rang out, they may have grabbed the first shoes they came to in order to run out the door. I too would love to see these women and what they have done since 1941. I'd bet they are strong, independant women still today! A hoax? I don't think so at all!

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                                Reply#19 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM EST

                                I hope they weren't treated like the remains of the 274 soldiers thrown in the dump

                                  Reply#20 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM EST

                                  Oh and for the commentor, i.e. rolled up sleeves and pants; that was the style in 1940. I have many photos of my mother and her sisters from that era.

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                                  Reply#21 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:32 AM EST

                                  If this doesn't become a monument, it should at least become a stamp. It's amazingly fantastic and shows people can work together to accomplish the bravest tasks.... heros in my book

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                                  Reply#22 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:36 AM EST

                                  Maybe it should become a FedEx or UPS shipping label instead of a stamp LOL

                                    #22.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM EST
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                                    Looks like a staged picture taking advantage of an opportunity for political purposes at the time- kind of ridiculous that it takes 4 people to hold down a fire hose anyway. Doesn't seem to be any signs of distress in the background too so it's faked

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                                    Reply#23 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST

                                    Absolutelyright - yesterday when this photo was first posted - JOregon entered the following - also - if you look closely - in the water - to the left - you'll see a man in the water. While that certainly doesn't authenticate taken on Dec 7 - it could be viewed as you wrote signs of distress. Anyway -

                                    "Your comment sent me on a search.

                                    Photo is owned by Three Lions and Getty Images.

                                    It is part of the Hulton Archive.

                                    Sir Edward G Hulton (1906-1988) owned a Magazine called Picture Post.

                                    The Hulton Archive was purchased by the BBC in 1958 and finally by Getty Images in 1996.

                                    No Photographer is credited to the picture only that it was done by a Stringer (freelancer).

                                    Picture is Dated December 7, 1941

                                    http://www.gettyimages.com"

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                                    #23.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST

                                    absolutelyright- You have OBVIOUSLY never been around firemen have you?? That hose at full pressure would yes require that many women to hold it steady. I've see that many burly men have to hold a hose that radius at full pressure. Some research would do you some good.

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                                    #23.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:33 AM EST

                                    There is a reason why onboard ship they have firefighting TEAMS . Even civilian firefighters need a few people to hold the lines when fighting fires now due to the sheer force of the high pressure lines they use.

                                      #23.3 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM EST

                                      That's not a man floating in the water- it looks more like a piece of driftwood- something that you would not find in in this part of the world. As far as the firehose theory- if you look at the diameter of the opening where the water is spewing it was designed that way to control the pressure of the hose. Too large an opening would send someone reeling back- but this is a pressure control hose designed to allow one person to work it at a time.

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                                      #23.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST

                                      Ok, since people are wondering if that hoseline is difficult to handle, the answer is absolutely YES (it looks like what is usually called a "blitz line" - a 2 1/2" line with a smooth bore nozzle delivering 200-350 gallons per minute). The reason you need so many people on the line is NOT ONLY for the backpressure on the nozzle operator, but because maneuvering or moving the line itself is difficult. Why? Because water is HEAVY.

                                      A 50 foot section of that line holds roughly 13 gallons of water when it's charged (and it's probably a 200' line at least). Water weighs 8.3 lbs a gallon, so that's roughly 140 pounds per 50 section. When it's stationary, no problem. When you need to advance it, or move it, or maneuver it? Yeah. This line is for putting big water on a fire, not mobility, and it is a BEAR to handle, unless you're one of the strongest people out there.

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                                      #23.5 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:51 PM EST

                                      So, in other words it would have been impractical for these women to try and handle such a hose. Thank you for clearing that up. Therefore, it was a propaganda photo afterall. :)

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                                      #23.6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:07 PM EST

                                      Absolutelywrong - you have never handled a fire line in the military have you?

                                      That's blatantly obvious by your ignorant posts. It takes 4-5 people to do it. Not 4-5 built like Arnold but 4-5 ordinary people to effectively handle the lines. Just like in the photo. As to the driftwood... considering the sheer damage done to the bases that day , I'd expect a lot of not typical stuff was in the water.

                                      Now since you know NOTHING of what you are spouting off about in this thread its time to shut up,sit down and maybe read a book and learn instead of showing off how IGNORANT you really are.

                                        #23.7 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST

                                        @ absoutelyright... I corrected your first assertion, that it is ridiculous to need four people to handle that hoseline. Now let me say unequivocally that YES, four WOMEN could handle that hoseline. In fact, with the proper training, a team of 2 or 3 men or women could handle that hoseline. It would still not be easy to deal with, and with more people you'll have greater control and it would be safer to operate.

                                        Firefighting tactics and training have changed tremendously over the years, but here's a few reasons why I think that photo is genuine (in the sense of, they are putting out an actual fire... I cannot speak to whether it's from Pearl Harbor or not).

                                        One - two blitz lines are operating right next to each other. If one team lost control of their hose line, it would extremely dangerous to the other team. For general training, you'd want to space those out.

                                        Two - no helmets, no coats, no boots. Even if this was a training drill where they were operating two large handlines next to each other, I would be surprised if they had not at least been given the basic safety equipment of the time period. That just doesn't square at all.

                                          #23.8 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 12:20 PM EST

                                          Hey gene'nut' - please do yourself a favor and take some anger management classes! What's it feel like to have to be absolutely right all the time... oh, that's my name lol. And it's for a good reason because in this case (and about all others) I am absolutely right and you're... well... in need of medication ;)

                                          Firefighter- have you ever seen photoshop before? Look at the picture- there you go!

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                                          #23.9 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 2:18 PM EST

                                          Hey losers: Including PJ, INpatient girl, gene'nut', and wannabe a firefighter- read it and weep:

                                          http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/12/9377669-pearl-harbor-surprise-photo-of-female-firefighters-wasnt-from-dec-7?threadId=3294024&commentId=60659524#c60659524

                                          BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! YOU LOSERS!! And who is 'absolutelywrong' now geneNut? In. Your. Faces.

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                                          #23.10 - Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:47 AM EST

                                          "Firefighter- have you ever seen photoshop before? Look at the picture- there you go!"

                                          "it would have been impractical for these women to try and handle such a hose."

                                          The photo WASNT photoshopped. They didnt have photoshop back in the fourties when this was taken..... AND It really was 4 women handling fire lines at Pearl Harbor, just during training not Dec 7th.

                                          So maybe you really should be quiet. You still are absolutely wrong.

                                            #23.11 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:41 AM EST
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                                            This picture is a photoshop creation. It's evident when you look closely at the lead woman's shoulders and her hands. I can't believe that this would be published without a little scrutiny

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                                            Reply#24 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST

                                            Dan - please see above post #24.

                                              #24.1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST
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                                              Why is it so hard for Americans to simply appreciate the efforts and sacrifice of past generations so that we can enjoy the freedom we all enjoy in North America?

                                              I am Canadian (I know that will be enough to get some folks on the defensive already) and VERY proud of any individual, who had the courage to contribute to the war effort. Full Stop.

                                              Who cares if the women in the Picture are "Fat" (ARE YOU SERIOUS CMNSNS?) They are REAL.

                                              Was the picture Posed? So what! They were there! and I am sure they went on to contribute MORE!

                                              They are Japanese, Black, Hawaiian or Chinese? Who Cares! They helped the effort regardless of their race! When was the last time any of you volunteered in your community? What have you done for a Veteran Lately?

                                              As a society, we need to worry less about what the latest fashion Fad, Fastest Gadget, Sleekest Car and Biggest House and instead take the time to be grateful for what we do have.

                                              Maybe, just Maybe if we teach our kids the lessons of those heroic folks, like these Ladies, or world might become a better place.

                                              I hope these ladies are found and that they are given the recognition they deserve for being son inspirational even 70 years later! I would be HONOURED to be in their presence to thank them personally.

                                              Brave Indeed.

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                                              Reply#25 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:56 AM EST

                                              Thank you. Full stop.

                                                #25.1 - Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:53 AM EST
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                                                Those of you who wonder why it so many to hold a fire hose have never been fire fighters that's not your garden variety hose it is heavy and hard to contain.

                                                It's a great picture and I am sure we are only seeing it now because since the women were of different ethnic back grounds and non white it was buried.

                                                I am looking foward to hearing more about this photo.

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                                                Reply#26 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM EST
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