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Abdulazziz al-Hijji in a photo taken when he lived in Sarasota.
A Saudi man who triggered an FBI investigation after he and his family left their Sarasota, Fla., area home and moved overseas two weeks before 9/11 considered Osama bin Laden a “hero” and may have known some of the hijackers, an informant told the FBI in 2004.
The informant also told authorities that the Saudi, Abdulazziz al-Hijji, once introduced him to Adnan El Shukrijumah -- another former Florida resident and suspected top al-Qaida operative who today has a $5 million bounty on his head.
The FBI and the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office interviewed the informant, Wissam Taysir Hammoud, at the Hillsborough County Jail on April 7, 2004. The Miami-based investigative website Broward Bulldog obtained Florida Department of Law Enforcement reports about the interview and the investigation using the state’s public records law.
Hammoud, 46, who once owned a cell phone business in Sarasota, is serving 21 years in prison after pleading guilty in 2005 in federal court in Tampa to weapons violations and attempting to kill a federal agent and a witness in an earlier case against him. The U.S. Bureau of Prisons classifies him as an “International Terrorist Associate,” court records show.
Al-Hijji’s name made headlines in September 2011 when The Miami Herald reported on a counterterrorism source’s disclosure of a previously unknown FBI-led probe that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington -- one that pointed to a possible Saudi support operation for the hijackers in Florida.
A decade after the nation’s worst terrorist attack, which claimed the lives of 3,000 people, al-Hijji has now been found to be living in London, where he works for Aramco Overseas, the European subsidiary of Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia’s state oil company. His job title is career counselor.
'I love the USA'
In an email to London’s Daily Telegraph, which worked on the story with these reporters, al-Hijji acknowledged Hammoud had been his friend, but strongly denied any involvement in the 9/11 plot.
“I have neither relation nor association with any of those bad people/criminals and the awful crime they did. 9/11 is a crime against the USA and all humankind and I’m very saddened and oppressed by these false allegations,” al-Hijji said. “I love the USA, my kids were born there, I went to college and university there, I spent a good time of my life there and I love it.”
Al-Hijji’s account is supported by the FBI, which has stated “At no time… did the FBI develop evidence that connected the family members to any of the 9/11 hijackers… and there was no connection to the 9/11 plot.” In response to a Freedom of Information Act request, the FBI repeated this denial as recently as last month.
In a brief interview outside his office, Al-Hijji also said he did not know Shukrijumah, the alleged al-Qaida operative. “The name doesn’t ring a bell,” he said.
While living in Florida, al-Hijji attended Manatee Community College (now the State College of Florida Manatee-Sarasota) and, from January 2000 until April 2001, the University of South Florida. He earned a bachelor’s degree with a major in management information systems in August 2001.
Hasty departure denied
In the weeks before 9/11, al-Hijji -- then 27 -- and his wife, Anoud, daughter of an adviser to a member of the Saudi royal family, departed their home at 4224 Escondito Circle in the upscale gated community of Prestancia and returned to Saudi Arabia.
They left behind three cars and “numerous personal belongings including food, medicine, bills, baby clothing, etc,” according to the Flordia Department of Law Enforcement documents, which state the family departed on Aug. 27, 2001.
Al-Hijji denied having abandoned his home in haste, explaining: “No, no, no. Absolutely not true. We were trying to secure the (Aramco) job. It was a good opportunity.” He said his wife and children followed him out to Saudi Arabia a few weeks after he left Sarasota.
After the 9/11 attacks, an alarmed neighbor contacted the FBI. When several weeks passed without action, Prestanica resident and administrator Larry Berberich alerted local law enforcement. Authorities, including the FBI, moved in.
The investigation led to a stunning development, according to Berberich and a counterterrorism officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“The car registration numbers of vehicles that had passed through the Prestancia community’s North Gate in the months before 9/11, coupled with the identification documents shown by incoming drivers on request, showed that Mohamed Atta and several of his fellow hijackers – and another Saudi terror suspect still at large – had visited 4224 Escondito Circle on multiple occasions,” the source said.
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Thus undated handout photo provided by the FBI shows alleged al-Qaida operative Adnan Shukrijumah. The U.S. has offered up to $5 million for information leading to his capture.
The others included Marwan al-Shehhi, who plowed a United Airlines jet into the World Trade Center’s South Tower; Ziad Jarrah, who crashed another United jet into a Pennsylvania field; and Walid al-Shehri, who flew with Atta on the first plane to strike the World Trade Center. Also identified as having visited: Saudi-born fugitive Adnan Shukrijumah.
The source said law enforcement “also conducted a link analysis that tracked phone calls – based on dates, times and length of phone conversations to and from the Escondito house – dating back more than a year before 9/11. And the phone traffic also connected with the 9/11 terrorists – though less directly than the gate logs did.”
Former U.S. Sen. Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who co-chaired Congress’s bipartisan joint inquiry into the 2001 terrorist attacks, called news of the Sarasota investigation the “most important” development on the background to the 9/11 plot in years. He added that Congress should have been told about it.
Investigation found no links, FBI says
Soon after the story broke, however, the FBI poured cold water on it. It acknowledged that there had been an investigation, but said it found no connection to the 9/11 plot. It declined to explain.
The FBI reiterated that position in a letter this month denying a Freedom of Information Act request for records of its investigation.
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement records suggest such a finding may have been wrong. One report indicates that what informant Hammoud said during the 2004 interview was treated seriously, “The following information, in particular the information by Wissam Hammoud, is being followed up on internationally,” it said.
Hillsborough County Jail
Wissam Hammoud.
The FDLE reports buttress key elements of the story, while providing new details.
Hammoud, who said he met al-Hijji through relatives, said the two men worked out together at Shapes Fitness in Sarasota and played soccer at the local Islamic Society.
He told the FBI that al-Hijji was “very well-schooled in Islam” and that “Osama bin Laden was a hero of al-Hijji.” He added that al-Hijji showed him a “website containing information about bin Laden,” and spoke of “going to Afghanistan and becoming a freedom fighter.” Al-Hijji also tried to recruit him, Hammoud said.
According to Hammoud, al-Hijji also talked of “taking flight training in Venice (Fla.)” He said he believed “al-Hijji had known some of the terrorists from the September 11, 2001 attacks” who were students at an airport there.
Hammoud said al-Hijji “entertained Saudis at his residence” at “parties,” but that he himself did not stay for because – unlike al-Hijji as he remembered him – he “did not drink or smoke cannabis.”
Hammoud also identified Shukrijumah, the alleged al-Qaida operative who also lived in Florida at the time, as a “friend” of al-Hijii’s whom he brought to a soccer game at the Sarasota mosque in 2000 or 2001.
Hammoud’s wife and sister-in-law confirmed during recent interviews that they too knew the al-Hijjis and were familiar with basic elements of Hammoud’s account.
Mrs. Hammoud, who asked that her full name not be used, said she got the impression from comments al-Hijji made that he was “anti-American.” Hammoud himself, speaking from prison in recent days, said al-Hijji “had a lot of hatred towards everyone in America.” He said he had thought al-Hijji was “nuts” when he asked him to go fight in Afghanistan.
A quiet family life asserted
Al-Hijji, while confirming he used to work out with Hammoud, described his life in Sarasota as quiet, centered on his wife and children.
“My friends were very limited,” he explained. “Normally, I don’t hold parties in the house because I have little kids. I was not a frequent[er] to any bars.”
Prison officials have put Hammoud under heightened security measures due to his classification as a terrorist associate. Court records state the classification is based on what authorities said was Hammoud’s “support and membership” in a “Palestinian-related terrorist organization.”
Hammoud denies involvement with the group and has sought -- so far unsuccessfully -- a court order to overturn that classification. While representing himself, he filed documents that reveal a history of mental problems caused by a serious brain injury he suffered in a car accident in 1990.
After Hammoud’s first conviction in 2002 for selling illegal weapons to an undercover federal agent, an FBI agent wrote: “Hammoud is now claiming diminished capacity because of an auto accident in an effort to be sentenced to less time. …There is speculation on the part of law enforcement that this was merely an attempt to gain sympathy from the sentencing judge.”
Hammoud was found to be competent by a judge before he was allowed to plead guilty to more serious charges arising from his 2004 arrest. The guilty plea and sentence were later upheld on appeal.
Hammoud’s lawyer, Matthew Farmer, would not comment. But his appellate attorney, Tampa’s Bruce Howie, remembers his former client as “not delusional or wacky. ... I think he has his share of paranoia. But he’s not a liar. He didn’t make it up as he went along.”
For his part, Hammoud has named several FBI agents that he claims to have dealt with while attempting to assist the government in its fight against terrorism.
And Hammoud’s current attorney, Detroit’s Sanford Schulman, said FBI agents have met with Hammoud on multiple occasions.
“There have been about 10 different agents, and that’s just the ones that I’ve been involved with. They were not two-minute meetings either,” said Schulman, who did not attend but was notified of the meetings.
Hammoud may have known more than is revealed in the new FDLE documents. A Sarasota Herald-Tribune story about him based on an FBI agent’s affidavit filed at the time of Hammoud’s arrest in January 2004 has this ominous reference:
“In September 2001, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement interviewed Hammoud because someone had anonymously called saying Hammoud had made a comment that the Oklahoma bombing was going to be small compared with what was coming.”
In a recent email, Hammoud denied having made such a remark.
Anthony Summers is the co-author, with Robbyn Swan, of “The Eleventh Day: The Full Story of 9/11 & Osama bin Laden.” Dan Christensen edits the Broward Bulldog. This article first appeared in the Broward Bulldog.
Coming Tuesday:Former U.S. Sen. Bob Graham of Florida says classified documents contradict FBI statements.
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Once a terrorist always a terrorist. Dont believe anything he says.
I do not buy anything that this Hammoud is saying. Something tells me that he is just making this stuff up about al-Hijji to try and get himself some better treatment. The FBI investigated and has publicly stated on multiple occasions that the stories about al-Hijji are not true. The fact that those making claims about these visitors and parties refuse to be named and stay anonymous makes their stories a little suspect, particularly since they are being refuted by the FBI. People who claim to be so well informed but refuse to be identified are usually hiding something. This person who make all these claims about these gate logs just is not credible to me. If these logs really existed, the FBI would have seen them and would not be issuing these strong denials. After all, the FBI knows full well that is these gate logs existed they would eventually become public. Logs becoming public showing that the FBI lied would not be something the FBI would risk in this day and age.
tucked neatly under the umbrella of "bushy boys protection"
No, the FBI would never cover up any wrong doing by an informant or who could embarrass a public figure here in the good ol' USA. Wow.
Not suspicious at all; nope, I know Saudi Nationals who do this all the time... s/
The Bush Criminal Enterprise will eventually be exposed; just a matter of time.
BUSH ALLOWED ALL OF OSAMA BIN LADEN's relatives and many SAUDI's to leave OUR COUNTRY, WITHOUT FBI QUESTIONING...Hmmmm, does that make him an ACCOMPLICE? Looks that way doesn't it!?
Then he STARTED a PRE-EMPTIVE WAR on IRAQ by misleading us that Saddam Hussein
ATTACKED us on 9/11, LIES, LIES & more LIES
...BUSH, Cheney, & Rumsfield should all be in jail charged with
WAR CRIMES...LYING BASTARDS the lot of them!!!
I'M really fed up with these bastards!
You are referring to Bush and his accomplices aren't you ? We are all fed up with seeing Bush , Cheney, Wolfie, Rumsfeld and others still walking around on the outside of a prison cell. Someday maybe they will get their due.
W didnt care... but he told us "were gunna hunt em down, smoke em out, and bringum ta justice"!
PLEASE view a FREE video at: www.loosechange911.com...then make an INFORMED DECISION!
Man did nothing and is gone. This is a non story.
I say shoot him in the face.
there is much we do not know about 9/11; it was a total, complete failure of our intelligence system, so much has been covered up, because if everything came out it would make our agency's look like bumbling fools.
The more we look at 911 the more we find the blooms on the pile were in fact artificial, or even illusory.
They look like the guys that work at the 7-11 ....
BINGO,key2joy! Somebody who finally sees what this 9/11 crap, for what it REALLY IS!
This story is just another pile of Bull @!$%# being spoon fed to the American People.I don't buy it!
I agree with JS in SD everything that Hammoud fella said is BS. He's just trying to help himself in prison. He is the criminal. The other man has a good job in London, he's not hiding or running.
It would also make our sitting president an accessory after the fact, wouldnt it.
key2joy: A little off topic, but I looked at your "Loose Change" link. So all the passengers that were on those planes are....where? If no debris, and therefore presumably no bodies, can be found of the planes that flew into the Pentagon and in PA., where are those planes and people now?
Go ahead and call me a troll or whatever, but anyone whom thinks that 9/11 was fabricated or is a conspiracy is a complete idiot, in my opinion anyway. It's the same as denying the Holocaust ever happened, which is also idiotic.
@Zarkovski: Your analogy is like comparing the taste of little green apples to the taste of the trees they grow from.
@TorBot451
Same will come to Obama Incoporated and all his boys. They will be exposed as well for all the illegal garbage they have been pulling as well. The proceedings for an impeachment bill just hit the Congressional floor yesterday...it's only a matter of time before Holder, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest finally have to answer for a lot of illegal crap they have been pulling. The very same Constitution that Obama has said is outdated and has no presidence in the modern government of today, his government, will come back to bite him...
Say Hammoud is full of it all you want, but that quote stems from actual records in al-Hijji's gated community. If he never knew the hijackers, then why were they hanging out at his home? It is pretty clear that Hammoud is embellishing on the relationship between all the men, but the evidence points to the connection even without his help.
If the FBI is covering for al-Hijji they better have a damn good reason. But thanks to Hammoud the cover is probably blown, so why continue to protect him? People keep blaming bad intelligence on the fact that these little mistakes keep popping up, but eventually you have to ask yourself what the capacity for stupidity really is over at the FBI. I mean if they were working with a man who clearly knew the hijackers, then isn't it safe to assume someone at the FBI knew the attacks were coming? I mean, no one is that oblivious. So either al-Hijji knew and didn't tell the FBI, in which case, why didn't the FBI go after him? Or the FBI knew and didn't act on the knowledge. I don't like conspiracy theories, but there is now enough of a papertrail to justify at least asking questions.
As for Bush's involvement, I don't know if he was trying to cover up for anyone he shuttled out of the country so fast. My feeling is he had more interest in protecting relationships that are connected to his oil investments. I also think that the FBI had no intention of questioning them, so a hasty retreat was a convenient excuse.
And what's with all the crazies trying to lay blame on Obama? How desperate can you be? Even if Obama had to carry knowledge of what his predecessor allegedly did when they handed over the keys in 2009, he wouldn't even come close to being the villain that Bush was. So keep grasping at those straws folks!!!
Why are these people in this country? If they want to live like their hero's then why come here and enjoy all the freedoms that we have and then turn around and kill us.
This what you get when you have liberals who care more about the rest of the world than the American people. The liberals will bring this country to ruin.
I am with the people that there are a lot more of these so called new Americans that would kill us in our sleep if they could get away with it.
Meanwhile Obama is sending sick troops back into a war zone because of "cost consideration" for the solders that have served this country, and now must suffer by going crazy and go on a killing spree.
Obama HAS to take the blame for this solder. He is suppose to be our Commander in Chief, and his first and fore most job is to make sure our solders are well in mind and body.
But he will not. Instead he will kneel down and kiss Muslim butt, and push the blame on some poor slob in the military.
What in the world are you talking about. Forget the liberals. In fact my sister who is very republican said the same thing I have been thinking and that is tha the republicans are becoming the liberals in this country because of their thinking. And the Democrats are becoming the people with values and thoughts.
Check what Santorum says out. He is a radical so far to the right he is becoming left.If a right wing radical has a problem they blame it on the liberals and forget there ever was a man named George Bush. Now Obama is being blamed for this stuff. Come on make up another one before that gets cold! What role to you think Bush played in this mess? Nothing. I know in your rewrite or no spin zone Obama caused the Afghanistan and Iraq war. How ridiculous!
Why do you have to make remarks that are so stupid?
Steven, get a grip! Your comments are inappropriate and inflammatory. Your comments show you are uneducated and ignorant. Your generalizations about "liberals" and the President are simply wrong. Your last comments indicates that you have some irrational ideas based on fantasy.
How does anyone's political affiliation relate to this article? Only a rabid anti-American could interpret this story as having political undertones. Maybe you should go along with these men back to Saudi Arabia so us real Americans can be free of all terrorists.
PSYCHO-STEVE !
STeven,
Have you ever taken a history class? The GOP used to BE the liberal party! In fact, most of the now considered "bleeding heart" causes have been lead by Republican politicians. Jefferson supported and encouraged European Revolution. He offered his home as a meeting place for Lafayette lead rebels from France. Lincoln freed the slaves. Both were Republican. Most of the politicians that supported civil rights in the the 60s? You got it. Republican.
Go ahead and keep ignoring the fact that Republicans cater to illegals in election years then blame the issue on the Dems the rest of the time. Was it a liberal that granted full amnesty in the 80s? No wait, that was a Republican. Who is the one that offered tax breaks to corporations who sent jobs overseas back in the early 2000s and assisted in depleting the middle class? I believe it was a Republican in office during that time too.
So your precious party has a history of liberal agenda - which did not ruin this country - but unfortunately have an existing pattern of increasing the gap between wealth and poverty. Sounds to me like that evil liberalism might be the last of your worries, unless you own a Fortune 500 company.... but somehow I doubt it!
This is typical RIgHT WIng B.s.!! Typical for right wing idiots. Sorry.. The Right Wing would like to actually want to start a war and blame a war on Obama!! Does that make sense? You're right, it doesn't.. The right wing never cares about anybody but themselves. Other people don't matter.
But wait! This was an anti-Obama article... That is just as stupid as the GOP people running for Presidency today.. Obama has been successful at "EVERTYTHING" he has undertaken. How bout that GOP??? THey failed at "Everything their stupid mind could mess up".. I'm sticking with Obama. Because I know when I smell B.S. and I know when I smell the truth. Thank you President Obama.
You can say that again. Shows like Hannity and LImbaugh and people like Palin have somehow turned things around to make our president look like the bad guy or at least they have tried. I pray for truth and honesty and that Hannity, Limbaugh and Palin reap what they sow bigtime.
Talk about Egg in your faces, You repubs are headed for the polls come Nov., Im happy to say take you will not be in orfice come Jan. 1 2013. The day the American people will be leberated form your greed
Obama 2012
Hey Richard, you lost Congress...
Next is the Senate and hopefully the White House...
OBL is Dead? Where's the body? Where's the DNA? Pictures? Buried at sea? How convenient!
No Evidence except government officials said so...... those same government officials who lied about WMD's in Iraq and took the USA to a fake war spending trillions of taxpayer monies while raping the public. Really?
If this was a real honest court of law, the witness would be charged with perjury and contempt and sent to jail. Sadly, the witness has no street cred. Sorry, this citizen is NOT buying.
Say what you will about our pres and officials. However, I do not discredit SEAL team 6. If they say OBL is dead, I believe he is dead.
You're paranoid. If OBL weren't dead the Paki's would be calling the U.S. a pack of liars. But they aren't and they knew Osama was in that house where his blood and brains were on display.
Hello, Einstein.
Al-Qaeda confirmed that Bin Laden was dead and swore revenge. Or was that another of Obama's conspiracies?
So why doesn't obl come to light and say 'here I am'? I can tell you why. HE'S DEAD. Shark BAIT.
Seal team 6 was bribed by Obama--the muslim foreigner with no birth certificate, who killed the jesus-freak Briebart, after he covered up Bush's conspiracy to plan and execute 911 and before he announces that he is Putin's gay lover, and his stand wife Michelle is actually a serial killer.
yawn.
hmm who should I believe?The president, Our officials, and every other intelligence agency or a guy name izmee from the MSN comments section... Hmm I will let you decide.
Phenomenal, that is hilarious!
What is the point of the article? The FBI says that the man is not connected with the attacks. He does not live in the US, hasn't for years.....huh???
By the way, lots of people thought OBL was a here before the September 11 plot...including Ronald Reagan. who helped al-Qaeda get established in Afghanistan, anybody remember that??
Point being is that someone who could be a terrorist has left the country before people were even worried about terrorist attacks. There was nothing we could do then, and there is nothing we can do now about this specific person.
Actually there is plenty we can do. The patriot Act Allows our government to HUNT DOWN EVERY LAST PERSON CONNECTED TO THOSE ATTACKS and this man has a death warrant on himself.
The attackers lic plates photgraphed at his gated community ? And the Saudi's who are so happy with oil prices reward him with a job in the oil company. Lets face it the Saudi's had an internal war and since they have billions they used the rest of the world like a giant game of stratego.
Perhaps this Saudi is being used by intelligence agencies as a source of information on potential future attacks? Not the first time the FBI has flipped someone. If it walks like a duck...let's deny it's a duck...
If they're going to investigate anything related to 9/11, they should start with Dick Cheney and hang that piece of garbage out to dry. Our government didn't directly orchestrate 9/11, but there are clearly individuals from the former administration who were overwhelming complacent with it taking place in order to suit their own objectives. There is simply no explanation for the blatant military blunders that took place that day,…but of course, investigating it is considered un-American. I wonder why?
So true, and the fact the the FBI cut this short and said, there is nothing here to look at....come on...9/11 was not fully investigated because it would point fingers at US officials having known what was coming....9/11 doesn't happen, neither do the wars and military spending/contracts...and that is not good business for the war business...
Shortly after the inauguration on Jan. 20,2001, either Perle, Wolfowitz, or Cheney, (I can't remember whom) stated at a meeting that they needed, "A Pearl Harbor."
Wonder what they meant? And did we get one?
Seal team 6 was bribed by Obama--the muslim foreigner with no birth certificate, who killed the jesus-freak Briebart, after he covered up Bush's conspiracy to plan and execute 911, and before he announces that he is Putin's gay lover, and that his stand-in wife Michelle, is actually a serial killer.
yawn.
Anyone that believes the FBI has to get their head examined. They, the FBI, refused to release the documents pertaining to this investigation when they were requested via the Freedom Of Information Act. That alone should tell you the FBI is, again, covering up some significant fact. Probably something to the effect that the FBI turned someone into an informant.
When the FBI says Hammoud's story isn't credible they're lying. FBI agents don't have ongoing interviews in prison with liars. Hammoud told the truth about al-Hijji but the FBI completely overlooked al-Hijji so they're going to downplay his importance. The FBI is a bunch of schoolboys running around in the dark. They can't even catch domestic bank robbers much less covert terrorists.
Fahrenheit 911 was fairly accurate about the Saudis and Bush but no one believes Michael Moore because he often goes too far.
This article leaves one wondering just how much the American intelligence community doesn't know about 9-11. Maybe they don't want to know- how, and who, sold us out.
The Powerful Elite Oligarchs ignore and ridicule Michael Moore for the same reasons they ignore Ron Paul; they do not want their crimes exposed; and they do not want their current Fleecing of the American Tax-payer interrupted.
Another terrorist coddled by the bushleague of incompetence...bushie sure loved his saudi royals...held hands and everything
Should have nuked Meca right after 9/11 then asked do you still want to mess with the US. More nukes could have been sent if the answer was yes, simple solution and they are paid for. How much will it cost us to pay for the soldiers who have been injured by these wars and for how many years? A simple economic principle.
Once again arabs are the source of evil. The USA should interrogate EVERY arab coming to the US for whatever reason. There doesn't seem to be a good one anywhere and we should treat them that way.
As long as they are at it, why not investigtae just who was on the plane that Bush and the FBI allowed to spirit members of bin Laden's family out of the US right after 911? The Bush family always had close ties to bin Laden's family with oil dealings.
Seal team 6 was bribed by Obama--the muslim foreigner with no birth certificate, who killed the jesus-freak Briebart, after he covered up Bush's conspiracy to plan and execute 911, and before he announces that he is Putin's gay lover, and that his stand-in wife Michelle, is actually a serial killer.
yawn.
The whole middle-east is the butt crack of the world. They hate us, we have to buy their friendship and they laugh all the way to the bank. Women are second class, cavemen had a more progressive life style. Back in the seventies or eighties, I believe I saw a segment on 60 Minutes how the Saudi's were shipping troublemakers out with tons of cash just so they didn't pull anything at home. I've said it for years Saudi Arabia is our biggest enemy. KA-BOOM!
I smell a cover up - The FBI can't aford to arrest him without embarassing the Saudi Royal family. Therefor they give him a pass.
I alway's said that we should have attacked Saudi Arabia and not Iraq. All the terrorist's in 911 were Saudi's and here we attack Iraq. Bush should be in Prison right now along with his Saudi buddies.
Per your logic, Obama should then be hanged for bowing down before the Saudi King and exhume FDR's grave to be burnt for starting a relationship with the House of Saud. No matter what, per Tarzan7, it is "Bush's fault". Blaming Bush mentality is getting rather old
@Kurt: Covering for bush is also getting rather old. That man never took responsibility for anything.
Since day one Obama has had the "birther scream machine" constantly biting and lying.
gwbush, was merely questioned about his DD214 (which he does not have) and the questioner lost his job.
Give me a break about the "blame bush crap." Hell, even 'Fast and Furious' was started by the Cheney-bush crowd.
Barry, forget what the Media Elite tells you, I am neither a supporter of Big Government Bush. No need to "scream", just take an objective look at that BC released last April 27th without being subjected to "political noise". It seems strange with all those layers, mulitple type sets that did not even exist in 1961 and that smiley face in the "A" of Alvin, various software experts stating it is a fraud. Be objective rather than gaulible what the Media Elite feeds you.
@tarzan7 I agree with you that bush should be in prison and any saudis involved in 9/11.. but attacking Saudi Arabia would be just plain stupid. why would the US attack saudi arabia? they had nothing to do with 9/11. just cuz a handful of crazy ppl decided to kill does not mean 26.2 million ppl living in peace have to suffer. how would u like it if a country decided to attack where u live? ur living in a bubble and u dont even know it.
Earth to Barry--So Obama is a completely clueless piece of @!$%# or has he been covering for Bush?
Which is it?
Can't have one without the other.
Yes, you can have both in the "new america."
You know, minimum wage is breaking America's ability to compete, but 100 million or 800 million dollar annual salaries are the fruits of free markets.
I do not believe Obama is clueless. He is the president, and he is very aware of the structured rules.
Try not to allow your slip to show.
Political cover for the Saudi Royal family. Grant the Freedom of Information request for documents related and make believers of us all. That's not going to happen because there is something they don't want us to know.
It is very difficult to have an open mind concerning 911.
I simply can not accept the fact that both of those towers dropped so cleanly because of the hits by those aircraft.
Witnesses, who were forbidden to testify at the so called hearings, stated that they heard multiple explosions seconds before the collapse.
Doesn't matter I guess. We now have $100 Oil. I guess that serves a purpose for somebody.
Barry Barry, the "aircrafts" alone did not bring those Towers down, it was the aircraft Full of "JET FUEL" that brought them down. You try holding up the building with burning jet fuel on you, I bet you can not hold it much longer. I know, I know, easiler to "blame Bush" or "blame the Jews" for those fallen Towers rather then stating caused by the Jet fuel melting the metal that could no longer support the weight above.
Try taking some chemistry and physics courses and then you can begin to understand. Until then don't pretend you know someting about a subject clearly beyond your intellictual ability.
When steel is exposed to temperatures of 1000 degrees for about 30 minutes, it loses half it's strength! We know that the jet fuel burned at least that hot. We also know that the planes damaged the structural integrity of the towers. Weight and gravity did the rest and the towers pancaked.
Members of the Bin Laden were allowed to fly out of the country, when nothing else was flying. Richard Clarke said he did it on his own authority because the FBI had no questions for them. WHY NOT?? Two of them, Omar and Abdullah bin Laden were under a 5 year investigation by the FBI for terrorist ties, using an organization called World Alliance for Muslim Youth....... AKA WAMY--- in Falls Church VA. It ended soon after Bush took office. WHY?? Both these men have disappeared in Saudi society. A year later, the FBI raided WAMY, and confiscated all of their property for terrorist ties. All of this info is available online using various search engines!
Without further evidence, I dont believe that Bush orchestrated 911-- the inside job. I DO believe that the Bush administration may well have allowed the attacks to happen, never dreaming it would be the towers. After all, there were MANY warnings in summer of 2001, warning of an imminent and serious attack. Yet Bush did absolutely nothing, not even secretly mobilizing the government like Clinton did before catching the West Coast attacker before he was able to carry out his plans.
There is a LOT about 911 that is going to remain secret. Most of Bush's papers have been sealed and probly will never be unsealed, like his Daddy's, in order to protect the Bush name!
Indeed, the negligent remain free!
That is exactly the way I remember the events Tom in NH from Yank in Tn. The rest is a national horror story. Upwards of $4 trillion gone from the treasury either borrowed, spent but gone. 5,000 deaths, 20,000-40,000 injured troops, a new expanding department in Homeland Security. Incredible and all over $3 billion in damages and the unfortunate and hallowed loss of 3,000 on that fateful day.
If Bush was the most incompetent president ever, and he pulled off the greatest crime ever, it was covered up by his successor.
Its incredible to know that there are so many people who are @!$%#ing stupid enough to believe that about both Bush and Obama.
@Tom in NH: Pancake my ass. Never happened.
All the steel was removed under protection and under the guidance of Rudy G.
(evidence)
Most of the people the Gov. claimed hijacked the planes on 911 have been found to be alive and well residing, and working in other countries. Even the Gov. later claimed that they were wrong about their suspects. So, who is really responsible for 911?. Why is the Gov. supressing so much evidence???. What is our Gov. trying to hide?, could it be they are hiding the truth about what org. is really responsible?.
If the supposed hijackers had been found alive and the Gov. admitted they were wrong about the suspects I'm sure it would be front page news. Since you seem to be the only one who is aware of this maybe you could enlighten the rest of us.
xvet
It was YEARS AGO!. As I wrote MOST OF THEM, not all were found. Take a little time to do a bit of research on your own before running off at the keyboard!.
19 hijackers hit us on 9-11-2001. 15 of the 19 were from one country alone, Saudi Arabia. That's almost 90%. The other four were from Egypt, Pakistan, and small Gulf States. Not one from Iraq. And numb nuts Bush hits Iraq, a country that had about as much to do with 9-11 as Sweden. Mental midget Bush caused us, and his actions will continue to cause us great pain in the region
Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor either, but we attacked them ... rightly so for both Germany and Iraq at their time respectively were ruled by Genocidal Despots and ally with the ones that attacked us such as Germany an ally of Japan and Iraq harboring the Al-Ishmali faction of Al-Queda within Iraq. LOL on last comment, the Middle East "cause us great pain" LONG BEFORE GW Bush was even born, since the 600s.
Yes, almost all the hijackers were from Saudi, but since the Bush family and the Carlyle Group are in bed with the Saudis, there was no way we were going to invade them. Plus, although they were Saudi, they were trained and harbored in Afghanistan. Almost everyone was for that war, me included, but we can all agree that it's gone on for too long. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but the Bush/Cheney admin wanted to start that rumor combined with them supposedly having nuclear bombs and the country bought the total lie. I remember reading the first battle plans after 9/11 were to invade Afghanistan, Saudi, and Syria but were shot down by the White House, seems to me using hindsight that plan should have been the one used. A silver-lining nowadays though is that the saber rattling towards Iran from these idiot GOP candidates is not being taken that serious by the American public since we were lied to about Iraq and these lies sound just like what we heard in 2002/3.
Kurt neither understands or comprehends history and WW2.
The Al Ishmali faction of Al Queda within Iraq is yet another falsehood and but one more "cut and cover" for the Cheneybush Administration.
Kurt------- Hitler declared war on the US 2 days after Pearl Harbor.
Saudi Arabia; the only country that we should have invaded.
Brillant tim, invade Saudi Arabia back in late 2001, ...err, Bin Laden was in Afghanistan at the time being harbored by the Taliban regime. I guess some of our long range cruise missiles can reach Afghanistan from Saudi Arabia.
1. Bush loves the Saudi family. 2. Even the White House knew gas prices would go through the roof if they invaded Saudi--NO President wants higher gas prices. 3. Saudi was an enemy of Iraq with Saddam and of Iran (Sunni vs Shiite) and since Iran has been the government's sworn enemy since 1979, there's no way we were going to take on a so-called friend.
wrong trek, 1. All Presidents since FDR has close relations with the House of Saud, but only ONE bowed to the King, Obama 2. Obama wants HIGHER gas prices, that is why he picked Chu as his "Energy Secetary" for wanting "European style gas prices". Their "logic" is to make gas prices too expensive for the middle class and working Americans so "less" gas will be used. 3. Saudi Arabia actually sided with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War
Your Foodstamp President is going to be your over $5.00 Gallon President this Summer
unlike george w. bush, obama did not hold hands with a suadi prince nor kiss a saudi prince. what happened when bush and his saudi lover reached the oval office?
As I recall, that idiot of a president Bush was related in some way to the Saudi royalty. He let his brothers in arms leave the country so that he wouldn`t be implicated in the whole 9/11 event. The only real terrorist here is Baby Bush. This douchebag should stand trial for allowing the 3000 victims in the trade center collapse to happen. The Israeli`s knew about 9/11 a month before it happened. Why wouldn`t our own Government pay attention to what they were told? Well that answer is because this had to happen so that Bush and his bunch of criminal friends could profit off of the oil and the pipeline that went through northern Iraq. Without the pipeline or threats of blowing it up, Bush and his croonies would have lost a bunch of blood money.
Why was he not found dead in some ditch by now is anybodies guess? He must be a dual agent?
The government spent over 40 million investigating Clinton for his Miss deeds. They finally got him on Monica gate. The so called 911 commission spent $700,000 investigating the worst terrorist attach on our country in history. One of two things happened ether the government got better at spending on investigating or they were involved.
I report you decide.
nuff said.
Given the large amount of evidence indicating that this individual had contact with the 9/11 terrorists, coupled with the report that our FBI has exonerated him I have to ask if there is an Internal Affairs Division within the FBI and if they are not actively engaged -- as they should be -- in pursuing the possibility of at least one terrorist 'mole' within their own ranks.
Does anyone know the answer to this question?
That @!$%#ing piece of garbage Obama is covering for him!!!!
lol!
Put him on a "kill" list and when he's found give him two in the chest and one in the face.
Funny how 9/11 propaganda appears when America is guilty of murdering innocent women and children in a foreign country.....
The only propaganda I see here is the crap the "Conspiracy Theorists" would have us believe. Talk about a group of nutjobs.....Not 1 iota of evidence, yet they continue to press the Conspiracy crap.
QUOTE: "America is guilty of murdering innocent women and children in a foreign country....."
"AMERICA" is guilty? Sorry, but I'm not guilty of any such thing! I would have to believe that most Americans are equally innocent.
How come you didn't comment on the Americans being killed by Islamic terrorists?