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An arrival board at Los Angeles International Airport on Sept. 11, 2001, shows canceled flights from around the nation following the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
The FBI mishandled its investigation of the travel of a Saudi prince and his companions out of Florida within days of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, new interviews, 9/11 Commission documents and FBI files reveal. And its detailed report on the matter, drawn up for members of Congress and President George W. Bush, was inaccurate.
The new reporting springs from suspicions that a well-connected Saudi living in Sarasota, Fla., may have associated with the 9/11 hijackers. Former U.S. Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress’ Joint Inquiry into 9/11, has suggested that the FBI’s investigation of the Sarasota matter “was not the robust inquiry claimed by the FBI. An important investigative lead was not pursued and unsubstantiated statements were accepted as fact.”
These concerns have led to a re-examination of the efforts to get out of the U.S. immediately following the 9/11 attacks by a Saudi royal, Prince Sultan bin Fahd, and several companions. Their travel began in Tampa, a short drive from Sarasota.
The review of how the FBI dealt with and reported on the travel of the Florida-based Saudis, and their subsequent departure from the United States with other Saudis, shows that the FBI failed to interview principal witnesses; relied on erroneous second-hand information; misinterpreted the orders under which the FAA managed the closure and subsequent reopening of U.S. airspace after the 9/11 attacks; misreported the means of travel; and even got Prince Sultan’s identity wrong.
The FAA grounded all flights less than an hour after the Sept. 11, 2001, strikes on the World Trade Center, and reopened U.S. airspace to commercial and charter air traffic only at 11 a.m. ET on Sept. 13. By then, with Saudi-born Osama bin Laden fingered as the principal suspect in the attacks and 15 of the 19 hijackers identified as Saudi citizens, panicked Saudis were doing their utmost to get out of the country.
A decade after the Sept. 11 attacks, former Sens. Bob Graham of Florida and Bob Kerrey of Nebraska have filed affidavits saying they believe the Saudi government may have played a role in the plot. Morning Joe panelists – including financier Steven Rattner and Donny Deutsch – discuss.
Sometime on the day following the attacks, Prince Sultan, a grandnephew of the late King Fahd and a student at the University of Tampa’s American Language Academy, began trying to leave Florida, according to 9/11 Commission files. He did so on the instructions of his uncle, Prince Ahmed bin Salman, a Saudi media baron and fabulously wealthy racehorse owner who was in Lexington, Ky. for the annual yearling sales. According to a Lexington police officer – his name is redacted in FBI documents – who coordinated security for the younger prince’s travel from Tampa, Ahmed told Sultan to get to Lexington and join him on a flight out of the U.S.
Reportedly scared by what he considered a hostile atmosphere in the wake of the attacks, Sultan requested and received a guard detail from the Tampa Police Department. A Tampa police officer, John Solomon, later told the 9/11 Commission that he contacted Dan Grossi, a former policeman turned private investigator, to accompany the Saudis on the planned flight to Lexington. Grossi, in turn, contracted retired FBI agent Emanuel “Manny” Perez, to partner with him on the assignment.
The closure of U.S. airspace, meanwhile, led briefly to talk of Prince Sultan and his companions instead making the 700-mile journey to Lexington by car. But an FAA Notice to Airmen – a “NOTAM” – that U.S. airspace would reopen to domestic commercial and charter flights at 11 a.m. ET on Sept. 13, cleared them to fly, FAA records show.
At about 4:30 p.m. that afternoon, Grossi met the prince and his party of four – later named as Fahad al-Zied, Ahmed al-Hazmi (the fact that this is the same last name as two of the 9-11 hijackers may well be mere coincidence) and Talal al-Mejrad, son of a Saudi army officer – at Raytheon Services, away from the main Tampa airport terminal. With the Saudis and the security men on board, a cream-colored Lear Jet supplied by the Fort Lauderdale charter company Hop-A-Jet lifted off at 4:37, FAA records and Tampa Airport data show.
Prince looked 'like a kid who was scared'
Perez, the security man, said that only on landing around 6 p.m. at Lexington’s Blue Grass Airport did he realize the flight had been very sensitive – that one of his passengers was a Saudi royal. They were greeted, he recalled in an interview, by a phalanx of security men and a flurry of hand-kissing for young Prince Sultan, who was then in his early 20s.
Lt. Mark Barnard of the Lexington Police Department, who worked liaison at the Kentucky end, would later tell the 9/11 Commission that the prince seemed to him just “like a kid who was scared,” escorted the young Saudi and his companions to his uncle Prince Ahmed’s hotel, and the two princes and twelve companions left three days later aboard a chartered Boeing 727 en route to Saudi Arabia.
Two years after 9/11, in a Vanity Fair story titled “Saving the Saudis,” author Craig Unger raised numerous questions about the role the FBI had played in facilitating that and various other flights involved in the panicky Saudi exodus from the United States. The article obscured the facts on the travel from Tampa, unfortunately, with a claim that the flight had been allowed to take place “when U.S. citizens were still restricted from flying.” In fact, as the FAA record makes clear, the flight took place several hours after the FAA had opened airspace to charter flights.
In the wake of the Vanity Fair story, when U.S. Sens. Dianne Feinstein and John Kyl raised questions, the FBI prepared a 40-page response for the senators and the White House addressing all Saudi travel out of the U.S. after 9/11. What it reported on the Tampa-Lexington flight, however, was not true.
Instead of just noting that the FAA record showed the travel occurred after U.S. airspace was reopened, the FBI said Sultan and his three companions “had arrived in Lexington from Tampa by car.”
“The four individuals,” the report went on, “had disobeyed the Prince [Ahmed] by traveling by car instead of by jet as the Prince had instructed them.”
FBI insistent: 'No flights arrived'
The FBI insisted that “No flights arrived” in Lexington on the day in question. The assertion that there had been an incoming flight from Tampa, the FBI claimed, had been “perpetuated” by “hired security personnel” – a clear reference to the Saudis’ escorts, former policeman Grossi and former FBI agent Perez. “One of the members of the private protection detail,” the bureau’s response claimed, “had confidentially told FBI agents in Kentucky the truth about how they arrived in Lexington.”
A 9/11 Commission analysis and FBI documents, however, show that the FBI’s inquiry into the Tampa flight had relied on a lone source, a Lexington police officer whose name is also redacted in the released documents. He had merely “hemmed and hawed” when an FBI agent doubted his belief that the Saudis had traveled by air – then suggested the men had in reality traveled by car. The police officer, however, had no first-hand knowledge of the event. The FBI did not at the time interview Grossi or Perez, the security escorts who had flown with the Saudis from Tampa. It interviewed Perez only years later and has never interviewed Grossi.
An FBI departmental memo dated 2003, meanwhile, shows why the bureau was reluctant to believe there had been a flight from Tampa. Having failed to check aviation records that would have shown when exactly the men had flown, it believed “such a flight on 9/13/2001 would have been in violation of the Federal Aviation Administration’s flight ban.”
As early as four days after the flight, however, the bureau had had good reason to realize that the flight had occurred. Other FBI documents, obtained by the public interest group Judicial Watch, make clear that one of the bureau’s own agents in Lexington had the information as early as Sept. 17. That fact, it seems, was filed and forgotten.
The now-retired FBI special agent-in-charge in Tampa, Robert Chiaradio, did not respond to a request for an interview. His counterpart in Lexington, retired Supervisor Robert Foster, agreed last month to discuss these events by email. Of Prince Sultan and his party’s travel from Tampa, Foster said, “We didn’t question the passengers about how they arrived in Lexington.” His agents’ assignment, Foster said, was to identify each passenger leaving the U.S. and “determine if they were on any watch or no fly list prior to their boarding.”
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Saudi Prince Ahmed bin Salman celebrates in the winner's circle after his horse, War Emblem, won the 128th running of the Kentucky Derby on May 4, 2002.
Watch lists aside, the security check was complicated, Foster wrote, because Prince Ahmed had “given an interview to a local TV station attesting to the fact that he was a cousin of Osama bin Laden.” There is no known evidence that Ahmed was in any way related to bin Laden, and no such interview has ever surfaced. If he did make that comment, however, one would have expected it to have alerted the FBI at both local and headquarters level. Apparently it did not. “We did not interview him,” Foster said in his email last month, “I did not investigate his claim to be related to bin Laden. … I did furnish this information to FBI HQ. I do not recall having discussions with FBI HQ regarding not allowing him to leave the U.S.”
The 9/11 Commission later established that none of the 14 Saudis who left for home from Kentucky was interviewed by the FBI before they were allowed to depart. According to the files, moreover, the bureau did not even figure out who Prince Sultan actually was. A Tampa police document had his name correctly as “Sultan bin Fahd,” which translates as “Sultan son of Fahd,” one of the king’s nephews. Yet FBI documents repeatedly described Sultan as the son of Prince Ahmed, who was his uncle.
Related stories:
Saudi who left Fla. before 9/11 considered bin Laden a 'hero,' informant told FBI in '04
Classified documents contradict FBI on post-9/11 probe of Saudis, ex-senator says
Asked to comment on the catalog of apparent errors and omissions reported in this article, FBI spokesperson Kathleen Wright said on Tuesday that the matter was complex and “would be reviewed for consideration of a response.”
A senior bin Laden aide now in Guantanamo, Abu Zubaydah, is said by sources – including John Kiriakou, the former CIA officer who led his capture, who said he got his information from CIA documents and colleagues – to have stated under questioning that al-Qaida had been in contact with Prince Ahmed before 9/11. The prisoner, Kiriakou said, raised the names of Ahmed and two other royals as if to indicate “he had the support of the Saudi government.”
(Kiriakou was indicted in January, accused of disclosing classified information about Zubaydah to reporters. The complaint against Kiriakou also alleged that, when submitting the manuscript for his memoir, he lied to the CIA's Publication Review Board.)
There is a link, too, between Prince Sultan and the post-9/11 investigation in Sarasota. Esam Ghazzawi, a longtime adviser to Sultan’s father, Prince Fahd, owned the Sarasota home suspected of having been visited on multiple occasions by hijack leader Mohamed Atta and several of his accomplices.
Prince Ahmed died aged 43 in July, 2002, in circumstances that remain unclear. Prince Fahd, 46, had pre-deceased him, dying seven weeks before 9/11. A 2009 report described Prince Sultan as having become chairman of Eirad, a Saudi holding company.
Robbyn Swan is co-author, with Anthony Summers, of "The Eleventh Day: The Full Story of 9/11 & Osama bin Laden."
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Here is proof that McCain was lieing the other day when he said that the 911 attacks originated in afghanistan. They originated from saudis and saudis come from saudi arabia.
You mean Dick Cheney's friends, the Saudis? Didn't he vacation on the royal yacht more than once during his terms as VP?
Yeah, the FBI is at fault for following orders. Hmmm. Me doubts. The ex-'executives' in the white house need to be in jail. At the very top laws do not matter. What matters is deny-ability.
Both GW Bush and Cheney were heavily financially involved with the Saudi royal family.
More than $1.4 billion in contracts and investments from the House of Saud to companies in which the Bushes and their friends have had key roles. Saudi money bailed out Harken Energy when George W. Bush was on its board of directors. That's how he made his fortune. GW Bush and James Baker traveled to Saudi Arabia repeatedly for the Carlyle Group to woo Saudi investors and win contracts. The Bush family remains close to Prince Bandar, even though Bandar's wife actually funded two 9/11 hijackers.
Cheney is even more obviously in the Saudi pocket. While Vice President he illegally failed to report millions of dollars in direct and indirect compensation and deferred compensation from Haliburton, and oil services company with huge contracts in Saudi Arabia. Before becoming VP, he was Halibutron's CEO and a very key dealer with Bandar. Haliburton not only directly benefitted from not going after Saudi Arabia, but made over $100 billion from military contracts, many of them illegal, during the subsequent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A portion of this money is now being enjoyed by Cheney, who just cancelled a speaking engagement in Canada because of "security threats" which actually is the threat of being arrested on an outstanding international warrant for war crimes.
The article says that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. This is a small mis-statement. There were 20 hijackers --- one was caught and convicted. Of the 20, 16 were Saudi citizens traveling here on visas obtained in Saudi Arabia. But of the remaining four, all but one was a Saudi Arabian resident and traveled on passports from Egypt, Lebanon, and the UAE. Only one of the hijacker team leaders was not Saudi (he was from Egypt and was a paid informant for Saudi Arabian military intelligence.) There are a large number of Arabic foreigners in Saudi Arabia, especially well-educated professionans and drudge labor. So if you look at it from a standpoint of "home" rather than passport color, you find that all except one called Saudi Arabia home, and the one, Atta, was connected to the same Egyptian bunch that tried to blow up the WTC the first time (and almost succeeded.)
All of the money for the hijackers was supplied via the Saudi "honey network." In olden times, honey traders were the people who did the banking for Muslims. This was because Islam does not allow the collection of interest and certain types of "floating" loans. The honey traders found ways to get around Islamic law and became the people who made loans and moved money around. They performed the same function for Arab countries that Jews provided in Europe when Christians also forbade the charging of interest or the making of floating loans. Prince Bandar himself provided some of the funding via his wife and overt money transfers in addition to the use of the honey network.
But if you put it all into context, you don't get a conspiracy to do whatever. You get a bunch or politicians who were so benefitted by the Saudi Arabian gravy train that they were willing to go to war with a country, Iraq, that nothing to do with the WTC bombing in order to protect the Saudi royal family. They were so corrupt that they even found that they could make billions of dollars for Haliburton and other Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/etc connected businesses. This wasn't a conspiracy, it was a simple betrayal of the American public for money.
I think you are right in your asessment concerning betrayal..betrayal for money; especially when you look at the fact that "someone" was carting off the swiss gold bullion during the crisis.
911 could have been a complex cover up to a high stakes theft.
And just by magic Building 7 collapses during 9/11. In the video you can see the charges going off on each floor collapsing the building.
And just a coincidence that over $100 billion in stored Chinese gold in the basement was never found. It had all been looted years before, that's why.
And the president sits calmly in a school room in Florida, not looking surprised at all. In fact he waits 8 long minutes before doing anything.
The whole truth about 9/11 is far different from what you've been led to believe.
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Anything I can get legally that'll make me believe that?
The 9/11 attacks DID originate in Afghanistan, genius. That's where Saudi-born Osama bin Laden was living at the time. And you, sir, are a lousy speller.
These conspiracy theories are pathetic. There were no charges that brought building 7 down, it was damaged by falling debris from the towers and that is what caused it's collapse. There is absolutely no evidence to support that any explosive were involved other than the rantings of a completely discredited engineers whose "observations" regarding the collapse have been completely refuted by reputable sources.
The people claiming the Saudi government was behind 9/11 are idiots who make unfounded suppositions based on incomplete and misleading "evidence." Yes, most of the hijackers were of Saudi descent, but then that makes sense since bin Laden was a Saudi. However, bin Laden ad his group had been thrown out of Saudi Arabia and were based in Afghanistan at the time of the attacks. The Saudi government had nothing to do with bin Laden and even his own family had disowned him by the time the attacks took place. If people would take half as much time to actually read and educate themselves as they do posting their drivel on sites like this, they might actually learn the real truth and stop spouting their nonsense.
I keep seeing that picture in my head of GW Bush holding the king's hand while showing him his ranch in Texas. Makes me wanna puke!
If Osama was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Center on 9/11 why wasn't he on the FBI's ten most wanted list? Could it be because the FBI says, it has "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm
If the FBI had no evidence that Osama was responsible for 9/11 why did Bush order an attack on Afghanistan to get him? "The FBI says on its Bin Laden web page that Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. According to the FBI, these attacks killed over 200 people." Nothing about the 9/11 attack. I'd like a clear answer from Bush and Cheney why they asked congress for permission to attack Afghanistan when they had no evidence that either OBL. Al Qaeda, or the Taliban were responsible for the attack. Where did they get their information? America deserves an answer.
informationclearinghouse.info, now there's a reputable source of news.
It's pretty much common knowledge that George W. Bush grew up with Osama Bin Laden because the Bushes and Bin Ladens have been doing business in Oil together for decades. Bin Laden attacked on Bush's watch, and so Bush overthrows the Iraqi government and drills for oil in Iraq.
Come on, you'd have to be dumb as a bag of hammers to not know that Bush flew over 100 members of Bin Laden's family to safety on 9/11, and as long as Bush was POTUS, Osama Bin Laden was safe.
Gee, I'm sorry but FAUX News doesn't cover news that puts their Republicans in a bad light but if you really wish to see other sources just Google "FBI no evidence Osama 9/11" and take your pick. Of course if you chose to wear blinders then that's your choice but facts are facts and the fact is the FBI did not have hard evidence that OBL was behind the attack on the World Trade Centers.
Maybe you would like to see the new World Trade Center which just happens to be in the middle east. Just saying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_world_trade_center
@ TheDman113
Here's a few news videos on the subject. All basically on the same subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnZd0H7o68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_6tpY2f35A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9vPBM73pQY
And this one where Cheney is trying to tie Iraq in with 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxbhPl973g
Now these are not to say Osama bin Laden is innocent because he was still wanted for the bombings he was charged with on the wanted poster and his death was justified for the death of hundreds of innocent people.
DAYUM - a whole collection of TRUTHERS. Proof yet again that when it comes to "conspiracy" some people just DON'T GET IT THAT THERE WASN'T ONE... but what the @!$%#.... there's always THORAZINE...
Chris 749391
I wish I could give you a hundred more "Upvotes"!
THe investigation into 9/11 was a total FARCE...Stonedwalled for two an a half years by the Bush Administration, a pathetic investigative budget, (3.5 million vs. 100 million for the Lewinsky scandal) Countless redactions of important documents, evidence removed, disappeared and destroyed, testimony not given under oath by both Cheney and Bush, glaring ommissions in the final report (collaspe of building 7?), and on and on and on....
The truth of 9/11 is still very much hidden from the american public, while the fraudulent wars it inspired continue to drain trillions of dollars from the american tax payer.
BINGO! You forgot to mention the 5 or 6 witnesses murdered right after this tragedy happened.They had a lot of info about the government involvement, and the government made sure to shut them up!
Of course you'll be told they died from,oh let's see what the government's list is for killing people off,when they want to shut them up.There's the good old heart attack excuse, then there's the common highway accident excuse, and last but not least the good old suicide excuse.All of these people died from one or the other of these Government Excuses for murder to silence and individual.
They the Government has the Public so buffaloed that it's really Pathetic!
It would be good to know why Bush and Cheney, and their crew of crazies decided to create the 911 event. Sure has cost the Country a hell of a lot. My conclusions based on my own observations. Rudy probably knows.
"Stonedwalled for two an a half years by the Bush Administration, a pathetic investigative budget, (3.5 million vs. 100 million for the Lewinsky scandal)"
Why do you only post the budget of the 9/11 Commission report and not the NIST investigation, which happened to be the largest investigation in US history?
simple dman - because they are @!$%#ing IDIOTS without ANY technical background whatsoever. Starting with the guru "Jones" and flowing downward, like @!$%# to a septic tank. They wouldn't understand the characteristics of strength loss of metals in moderate heating and more than they would know the necessity of HOW to place charges for controlled demolition. I'm surprised the nice young men in their clean white coats aren't after this batch of refugees from Warner Bros. "YOUR LOONEY TUNES CARTOON IA WAITING FOR YOU!"
Why do you feel the need to make fun of the people who are doing exactly what President Dwight Eisenhower told them to do? They remain eternally vigilant, while you stick your head up Cheney's butt and lick it like there's no tomorrow. You've sold your soul away, and now you're on OUR list.
IT'S TIME WE RETHINK WHO ARE OUR "FRIENDS"
OUR FRIENDS THE SAUDI ARABIA
Almost all 9/11 hijackers were Saudi and Saudi money funded the attack, also funded the Iraqi insurgents who killed Americans.
OUR FRIENDS ISRAEL
Israeli spy Pollard
The most damaging to America, anti-American spy in history since the Rosenberg's sold Russia American nuclear secrets. Netanyahu has demanded Pollard be released to Israel. http://tinyurl.com/yvqznh
Hey Dirt, er Durt....get your facts straight. Pollard's spying for our allies the Israelis did NOT damage US security and his incarceration is a tragic joke when you see the likes of Chaney, Rummy and their cabal breathing free air.
Does this mean we're invading Saudi Arabia soon??
No it's means we're kissing their ass and have been doing it for the last 20 yrs.
Longer than that...we've been kissing their ass since 1938...
There is so much more than meets the eye here.
These people are NOT our allies --- never have been!
The elephant in the room is not the Saudis, it's the purpose of the coverup. Obviously there was involvement by the Bushes. Damn those in power. We have to take our country back and that isn't by electing more friends of the Saudis!
kat-1015719#4.4: They were in the 911 event. OBL was also put to appropriate use after the event. Great probability He would have told a different tale had He been allowed to live.
When they say, such & such Barbaric Prince died!! NO ONE KNOWS for sure!!! these people got Money, Power & Protection from every Intelligence Organization... so WHO KNOWS???? as far as we know, they are sultan balababa and sultan momolala and prince popolala....
The smoking gun is all of the Arabs who had security systems installed in the weeks before 9-11 happened. Signed, the San Diego area.
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Great post. I like a man who knows when to stay silent. ROFL
I would be curious to know how many Saudi's abandoned their homes in the U.S. under mysterious circumstances just before 9/11. Makes you wonder how long the investigation proceeds before the administration tries to stop it with national security claims.
US government knew exactly who was behind 9/11 because they let it happen on purpose. So they did not bother stopping their Saudi friends.
This is terrorism... how dare they re-investigate 9/11???? The official 9/11 report is 110% accurate and that's that! Move along people... move along...
You've told us all about the Saudi's, now tell us about the many Israeli's booted out after 911. Tell us about the five Israeli's videoed, that were dancing and singing as the World Trade Center exploded and burned in the background. Our good friends they were, the Israeli's?
Dan- I don't remember seeing anything like that. I do recall seeing Palestinians and people from other Arab countries out in the streets dancing and singing on the news. I doubt anyone was doing anything other than running for their lives from the debris cloud when the trade towers exploded and burned.
Brad: There is this thing on the "internets" called google. Search for "dancing Israelis 9/11".
This has never made sense to me. Right after 9/11, predominantly planned, funded, and executed by Saudis, we allowed so many Saudis with questionable connections to just fly away.
This makes me cry,Really cry.
Stop crying, in defeat, and get mad enough to do what is necessary to win back the truth.
Much ado about nothing. This is a non-story on a non-subject by a non-journalist. What should have been done? Kill all Saudis on site just in case they were involved? Arrest all Saudis without cause based solely on race? A captured terrorist "mentioned someones name as if they had their support"? Really? This author couldn't pass an 8th grade journalism class.
We don't arrest or kill poeple based on race or speculation. Saudi Arabia has been a long term ally of the US. Helping protect innocent (remember, innocent until proven guilty, not, "somebody said....") people, Saudi or otherwise, from violence after the terror attack is the correct thing to do. Vigilanty justice, lynching, and hate crimes based on race, fear, and rampant speculation is hardly justice, or practical policy.
If US citizens in a foreigh country, especially high ranking government officials or relatives of such, were facing the threat of anti-American violence as a backlash to world events, the host country would be expected to offer them protection, and offer help to get them home safely.
This attempt at journalism is totally pathetic. Robbyn Swann and Anthony Summers--ranks right up there with Geraldo and Dan Rather as pathetic poseurs pretending to be journalists.
Oh yes we do!"we don't arrest people on the bases of race or speculation" we do, and we did, about 7,000 people to be exact. 7,000 that were question, arrest and detained because they had possible affiliation with the organization or funding behind the attacks. The story, "much ado about nothing", brings to light the valid concern that while 7,000 people were questioned or detained because they may have been affiliated, people that were actually affiliated were allowed to leave the country because of their connections with the Bush administration. Then the fact that they were allowed to leave and the manner in which they did so was covered up.
Holy crap, rdh333 ~ surely to God you can't be this naive. Are you? Really?
The 9-11 Commission was told by Bush & Cheney that the both of them would only appear together, and would not be under oath. A lot of people are still questioning certain aspects of those attacks as being suspicious, including WTC 7 building, possible thermite detected in debris, little evidence of a plane at the Pentagon, etc. I haven't looked enough at those claims to comment about them.
However, what transpired several weeks AFTER 9-11 raises serious red flags for me. If you get a chance, go to PBS website, and watch the Frontline program called "The Anthrax Files". If the alleged actions by our FBI seem derelict concerning the above article, their handling of the anthrax mailings is quite fishy, indeed. Take note of Dr. Bruce Ivins, and the way the FBI first accused him, then hounded him mercilessly until his "suicide". Frontline has the documents proving the FBI manipulated and falsified evidence regarding samples of anthrax submitted for testing by Ivins.
Folks, if Dr. Bruce Ivins was NOT the anthrax mailer, then the real mailer(s) are still out there.
To correct a misstatement or lie in another posting- the video shows the Palestinians dancing in the street not the Israelis
You misunderstood the other posting. The incident referred to was Israelis dancing on the New Jersey shoreline while the World Trade Center towers burned and collapsed across the water in Manhattan. The question is why would Israelis celebrate the attack, and how did they happen to be in a prime location to observe and film it unless they new of the details in in advance?
rdh333, You state "We don't arrest or kill people based on race or speculation."
What planet do you live on? Hundreds of people of Arabic descent were interrogated immediately following 9/11, some in custody for days or weeks.
and now the republican convention is going to be in tampa? WAKEUPAMERICA. before its too late.
The american public will never 'wake up;' and it is already too late. Greed among politicians, and people who control alot of wealth dominate the historic format. The american public is unable to accept the concept that capital economy is not beneficial to most people anymore. We have lost our ability to agree on a new socio-economic concept, and the people who write law don't write law contrary to their own individual interest. Politicians want to win! People with determined principle about fairness and economic distribution never rise to positions of influence. It might be true that we lost our ability for 'rebellion' with Shays, and the whiskey rebellion of 1798. The american civil war was lost by 'rebels.'
In an immediate sense, the law change inacted in 1992(G.H.W.Bush) that allow individuals(and corporations) to trade in oil that is not actually possessed by them (or it), and allowing of collateralized debt obligations and other financial chicanery that has not been illegalized by the current administration is pertinent to actual change. I, personally, would love to witness the death of the insurance industry.
An example of the political greed concept is: we really don't want to place another businessman like Mitt Romney in the white house to do good deeds for really wealthy people(at our expense). So we are forced to vote for Barach Obama who has demonstrated that 'he will not fight." Why wont Obama fight? I think he wants to be successful. I think you cannot successfully rise to a position of influence in america(and stay there) without the support of 'big money.' In this way we have given up our democracy without forfeiting our 'freedom.' Bluntly: Capitalism has ceased to serve a positive purpose, but the american people will never face that fact.
Americans should be free to live like this without threat of islamic jihad or militant militia rebellion. Violence has no moral justification. And we are all free to legally limit our exposure to the brutality of capitalism as we see fit. This is the best we can do. There will be no televising of the revolution; there will be no revolution in thought.
It's ALL in God's hands and we, the public, will never know the real truth on any of this and as for me, I probably don't want to know the real truth. All I care about, is that it is ALL in God's hands.....
But you can bet that there is a small coterie of cadre personnel that know the real truth ~ but they wouldn't live long enough to draw a second breath if they started revealing the secrets. Some who were deemed "tenative" have already met their demise.
Does this mean Bush/Cheney were Muslims also? What the heck, Obama gets called that all the time, and he is following most of Bush's policies.
The people that have been saying these same things for a decade have been called "CONSPIRACY NUTS" "TREASONOUS" "UNAMERICAN" When it turns out they were more dedicated to solving the mystery than the government or socalled journalists and they were in many cases "right all along!!!"
I'm in good company when I say I figured out back then that Bush and Cheney would never let the real story out...
We, as a country are a giant bunch of cowards to stand back and allow Bush and Cheney to get away with this by hiding behind the laws made to protect Presidents and VP's who "honorably" served the country.
They deserve to be interrogated using their own favorite techniques. If only...
Ah, the soon to be ancient history Royals of Saudi; too bad the Encyclopedia Britannica hard copy won't have the end in print.
In other words, 'We need some time to think about whether or not we will respond'.
The longer We think about responding, the better the chances of You forgetting about the matter.
The FBI has been a f***ed up organization since J. Edgar Hoover's day. They're a law unto themselves and ought to be shut down. Just more of American's freedom being swallowed up by a growing police state.
Come on! This just broke yesterday. You've got to give the FBI more time to concoct a new fake story.