You've got to be kidding!!!

Hundreds if not thousands of people are involved in the president's security and you want HIM worrying about each individual. Talk about micro-managing.

Yes they are all checked out but like any large organization there are always a few that get into trouble doing stupid things.

Okay I tell you what Obama will ignore the wars and the economy instead let's let him keep track of the secret service staff instead.

It's why things are delegated.

cgtrav

A little defensive aren't we. Did I say anything about President Obama. No I didn't!! Do I think that maybe his current White house staff is a little scatter brained and incompetent? Yes I do.

And since you brought it up, it would be wonderful if President Obama would focus on the economy. At least change his focus to something that will work.

There is no limit to ignorance and attempts to blame the president for something he has virtually no control over...but keep trying if it makes your teeny brains feel better...

cgtrav...(#1.1)..."You've got to be kidding!!!"

Actually -- You've got to be kidding!!!

Resignations ???..They should NOT be allowed to resign....They should be Suspended Without Pay till after the investigation....If they are cleared give them their back pay.

If not...They should be FIRED....

When anything goes right, Obama runs out into the Rose Garden to take credit...But he takes no blame when anything goes wrong....This must be Bush's fault too....

you don't think that the white house is going to check out the SS in terms of whether they could expect them to be horny and hire hookers? how would you even "check that out"? Realistically, the white house, absent compelling evidence to the contrary (like, oh a string of failures in a row by the secret service) would depend on secret service management to be competent and provide protection as needed.

and since YOU brought it up, obama was at that conference..to talk about business and jobs. And what he is doing does seem to be "working", based on the reductions in unemployment rate and the increase in the stock market. The non-partisan OMB has studied his economic polices and concluded that unemployment would have been worse otherwise.

Now if you want it to "work better", that's a fair discussion.

Rick

There is also no limit to the ignorance and attempt to defend our curent incompetent administration. But keep trying because it shows the ignorance of the progressive mindset.

vermontguy - The OMB can only conclude things from the info they are given. WEith this administration giving out the info I don't trust their conclusions.

vermontguy...(#1.5)..."The non-partisan OMB has studied his economic polices and concluded that unemployment would have been worse otherwise."

Ha !!...The only jobs Saved or Created were Public Sector Union Jobs....That's where most of the Stimulus Money went.....Prop up Teachers Unions......oh yeah....and GM Union Jobs and he filled their empty Pension Coffers....

This isn't a reflection on the President or his Administration or his appointed administrators, this is bigger than "R" or "D"...this is about a Government Mentality that crosses both Parties and many Administrations...Of course if it had happened during the Bush Administration it would have been, like everything else...Bush's Fault...When a supporter of Romney says something stupid...it is Romney's fault...If an Empoyee of Obama embarrases the country...well you know the rest

IE...a hurricane hits a Gulf city w/ a Dem mayor...it's Bush's fault...that gulf city is in a state w/Dem Gov...still Bush's Fault...Fema butchers the responce...again Bush's Fault....see the pattern here???

the OBM is limited to data they are "given" by the obama administration? care to show that is true?

mike: similarly, care to prove that only public sector union jobs were helped by the stimulus?

"As we have written before, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report in August that said the stimulus bill has "[l]owered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "[i]ncreased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million.""

I'm going with the nonpartisan cbo instead of random comments by anonymous internet posters. :)

lol there all dumnasses for doing it when they were there for work... if they were single i can be a little more understanding but if they are NOT single..... lol they will be soon...... man i bet there all mad at the one dumbass that didnt want to pay the hooker cause thats why they all got caught lolol. If prostitution is legal thought there.. i cant see them losing their jobs but i can see demotions made

vermontguy

I stand corrected, I was thinking of the CBO. And yes, unemployment COULD have been worse. But you must agree this country is not in good shape. I don't think that the policies of this administration are helping. I am a business owner and I talk to other business owners quite often. The common thought is to wait until we have a better understanding which way things will go before we commit our money. There is a lot of money saved up out here that will be released into the market for job creation as soon as there is a concrete path. How many more years should we wait until we try someone or something different?

cgtrav - a few stupid people (21-22) out of a thousand managed to all meet at the same place and the same time? By your analogy all of the stupid people got together at once. How were the stupid people that smart to organize so well?

jh: I'm far from a 100% defender of obama's economic policies..I think the initial massive stimulus was required, given the very real danger of a free fall that was looking in early 2009. However, I think since then money has been spent inefficiently, and we do need to pare down spending, and Obama could do more there.

Now, about "not being in good shape", that's a bit subjective. I worry about health care costs, and global competitiveness for example...and I don't think either party has much of a clue how to effectively deal with that. The dems want to overmanage it, but on the other hand the GOP wants to walk away from it with "let the market handle it", and I doubt either approach is the right one.

I'm unimpressed with BOTH parties, to be honest.

@ vermont guy

You proved it yourself with your own numbers, Stimulus = 3.3 million ....I'll explain

$787,000,000,000 / 3,300,000 = $238,484.84 (per job) / 5 = 47,696.97 (per 5 year job)

You could have paid 3.3 million Americans $48,000 per year to stand around and do absolutely nothing...Who besides Union workers stand around and do absolutely nothing for 5 years making nearly 50K per year

Anyone who even remotely claims that Stimulus = Success is seriously drowning in koolaid...Maybe you should stick to bragging about the ACA, which will cost the Federal Government 1.08 Trillion (as per CBO) and raise insurance premiums for every single American

phea: lol. that proves..what? Its a rambling exercise where you eventually end up using the words "union workers" just to prove to yourself something or other. lol.

You're not an economist, nor do you play one on tv, do you? :)

Actually, in this case, it is bushes' fault. Different 'bush' though....

Who do these secret service guys work for?

They were supposed to work for the United States of America, but they were derelict in their duties.

The role of the Secret Service is to protect the President of the United States.

We do not elect a President to babysit the Secret Service, he has more important work to do.

And if you think otherwise, you should never, ever cast a vote.

To add to commonsense's post, Secret Service also protects the first family, the Vice President and his family, dignitaries AND candidates.

@vermont guy

Not in my wildest dreams did I expect you to see the Forest, or even admit that the forest exists

I can not believe that one of the agents who was forced to leave thinks he has a case to file a civil suit over being forced out.

CBS News reported Thursday that one of those three is planning a lawsuit after being forced to leave the agency, quoting an unidentified congressional source briefed on the matter.

The agent behaves in a completely unprofessional manner that results in him having his security clearance yanked and then resigns. So now he thinks he is going to be able to sue over being forced to leave and win. This only reinforces my belief that the guy is not fit to be guarding the president since he obviously has extremely flawed judgement. The lawyer that is telling him he has a case should be disbarred for legal malpractice and abuse of process. Even if the guy did not break any laws, he still put himself in a compromising position that could have been used to blackmail him. This is the kind of behavior that causes people to lose security clearances. Without a clearance, he could not do his job, so there would be no choice but to get rid of him. Hopefully whatever judge this case winds up before has some common sense and throws the case out on summary judgement.

Thank you, JS.

Everyone arguing "but it was legal there" is missing the point entirely. Maybe it was legal, but it was also dangerous. On top of that, whatever happened to serving with dignity and honor? Do we not believe in these values anymore in this country, at all?

Delray, were you aware that public sector jobs were actually the most negatively impacted by the recession and immense reductions in public sector jobs has actually exacerbated the unemployment stats?

As for the secret service, they protect the president and other public figures. No one in the Whitehouse oversees them and controls anything they do with personnel. They only tell them the president's schedule and let them do their job. If these nimrods don't have sufficient integrity to pay for services rendered or for keeping the wanker in their trousers while on duty, they get what they deserve.

I can see by the flow of the discussion that it's time to say "It's Obama's fault"

!!...The only jobs Saved or Created were Public Sector Union Jobs

If you're talking abut the Bush/Cheney administration, yes. During their 8-year reign, the US economy actually shed private industry jobs, but gained government jobs due to an unprecendented expansion of government bureaucracy.

Under the current administration, public sector jobs have been lost, but those losses have more than been offset by private sector gains.

And the derelict Secret Service employees should be happy if they excape jail time and all that happens is that they get fired.

JH-479998 The Secret Service HR department and senior supervisors check background and interview the candidates. POTUS and his staff are too high above this hiring task, so no, you shouldn't blame the president or his staff for this, but if you want to be a jerk than you can.

vermontguy If you really are a vermont guy and not some poster sitting in the Narwhal room than you are unbelievably naive to believe that every secret service guy working around or in the direct service of the President and his family wasn't thoroughly vetted this administration. They would want to make sure they didn't include anyone who might spill the beans about things they saw and heard. Apparently the vetting wasn't done very well or the type to play along with Obama are the types to do what they did. I think it is just another case (like the GSA partying) of Trickle Down Corruption.

If Obama was assigned the job of keeping tabs on secret service agents, and did it, at least he would be doing something of benefit. He is already ignoring the economy and the unemployment situation and every other thing he should be doing, just for the sake of his own re-election. He is a failed, incompetent, unqualified president, and if he was assigned the responsibility of looking after secret service agents, he would fail at that job too. There are only three types of people who support Obama:

1. People who pay absolutely no income taxes whatsoever.

2. People who are totally and completely on the government dole.

3. People who are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Before you complain about these statements, pray tell which category you are in.

I think these guys were idiots,cheapskates, and she was being a bit greedy and trying to shake them down as she saw that they were AMERICAN and ordering the most expensive liquor on the menus. I betcha as their packing up their things because the wives kicked them out their saying to themselves:" I should've given that hoe all the money in my pocket just to get her away from me and out of the hotel". And I bet she is saying to herself:" Next time I get my cash upfront." I think it was part cheapskate on their part bringing the old proverbial American attitude of I can have whatever I want, I'm powerful, you can't stop me and I can have it at whatever price I want even for free(POWER TRIPPING CHEAPSKATES). & she shared in the problem by thinking this is just some rich American I can shake down for a higher price than I'm use to getting. He won't know the conversion rate(GREEDY SEX WORKER).

& To the Secret Serviceman who plans on SUING. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? YES YOU WERE OFF DUTY but we trust you with the LIFE of OUR COMMANDER AND CHIEF. YOU TOOK AN OATH AND SIGNED A CONTRACT THAT PROBABLY SAYS THAT YOUR MORAL CHARACTER IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN. & IF THERE IS A CLAUSE THAT AN EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIR ON AMERICAN SOIL IN YOUR SPARE TIME WAS GROUNDS FOR DISMISSAL THEN WHAT DID YOU EXPEXCT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO WITH THIS GEM OF AN EMBARRESSMENT YOU LAID AT OUR DOORSTEPS? GET A CLUE, DROP THE SUIT FOR YOUR FAMILIES SAKE IF YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE LEFT, AND SLINK INTO OBSCURITY BEFORE THE EMBARRESSMENT PROVES TOO GREAT FOR YOU OR OTHERS INVOLVED, NOT INCLUDING SOMEONE YOU CLAIM TO LOVE.

YOU'VE ALREADY PROVEN YOURSELF TO BE OF LOW MORAL CHARACTER(MOVIE STARS ALSO HAVE SUCH CLAUSES IN THEIR CONTRACTS AS DO MUSIC ARTISTS AND THESE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN UPHELD IN A COURT OF LAW SO YOU'VE STUPIDLY MISS INFORMED AND FOOLISH). DO YOUR COUNTRY A SOLID AND STAY HIDDEN.

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Unabridged, Warren Buffett is a supporter who has paid taxes, isn't on the governement dole and is pretty smart. Can I ask you if you have been able to amass billions of dollars yet? Maybe you should reconsider who is dumber than a bag of hammers.

commonsense....

Who do these secret service guys work for?

They were supposed to work for the United States of America, but they were derelict in their duties....

#1.17 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

Might I point out that they were, in fact, NOT on duty at the time, so that they could not have been "derelict in their duties" as you claim?

These thoughtless idiots have disgraced themselves, their families, the Secret Service, and the country they work for. Letting them retire or resign is much to convenient and in no way does it do justice for the lack or respectable demeanor, professionalism, and plain old common sense that should have prevailed. Severe disciplinary action is called for. They brought this upon themselves. They have demonstrated to the world their total lack of discretionary sound judgement and moral character.

This whole administration is an embarrassment. The entire world is laughing and giving the middle finger to our once proud and mighty nation because of the last three + years. Enough of this BS already!.... Even the secret service, the once proudest of the proud has been infiltrated by the malaise and party time attitude. Shameful is putting it mildly...These WERE some of our best trained, very highly paid, all assigned to the presidential detail, and they act like college freshman; our entire governmental structure is collapsing , we are fast becoming the laughing stock of the world.

Mr President...what happened to that promise you made? "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"

Marklepew:

Warren Buffett does not pay income taxes, he pays capital gains taxes. Also, he is on the government dole, mainly. He depends on the federal government as the ultimates source of the billions of dollars he has made. He depends on the government for most of his fortune. Also, I contend that he doesn't have the smarts, his advisers are the smart ones. Warren Buffett is thus dumber than a bag of hammers. That's how that works.

The Secret Service is supposed to protect the President. They are trained to take a bullet if needed to protect the President. If I was President I would certainly care 1000 freak-en percent on what they are doing and what their behavior is. President Obama is the President, he represents our country. I personally do not agree with him, but the last thing we need is for any thing to happen to him especially on a trade issue with South America. He may not know all of their names, but I am certain that he knows their face. Also think about this, they also protect his family. So if it was my family, once again I would be the first at the door trying to find out what the heck happened.

I would be a little bit more than stern in my dissappointment. Maybe he is behind closed doors. But talk about teachable moment. The same goes for the GSA crap.

Listening to the radio this morning they actually brought up a couple of other incidents. One had to do with his limo being stuck on a speed bump.

If he needs help kicking some butt and taking some names, sign me up.

Marklepew,

Unabridged, Warren Buffett is a supporter who has paid taxes, isn't on the governement dole and is pretty smart. Can I ask you if you have been able to amass billions of dollars yet? Maybe you should reconsider who is dumber than a bag of hammers.

It has been documented many times that Warren Buffet, pays himself a low salary to avoid paying taxes. It also has been documented that his company Hathaway has not paid taxes since 2002, and now owes 1 Billion dollars in disputed taxes.

So no, he is not a role model that should be standing next to the President, talking about paying his fair share. It is also totally stupid to name a Rule "The Warren Buffet Rule" about taxing the rich when he is not paying taxes. Now I am sure that he may have paid capital gains taxes, but while that is part of the issue, the total issue as brought up by the democrats is that the "rich" are not paying their fair share.

So please explain once again how his support is helping? How he is the role model? it sounds like he is playing the system, just as the Democrats are insisting all the "rich" are doing.

"Hope and Change"

Yep a real stand up guy.

unabridged and subnormal,

spin away but in unabridged's first post he said:

1. people who pay absolutley no income taxes whatsoever...........false and then he wants to split hairs over capital gains tax and income tax...pretty weak unabridged

2. People who are totally and completely on the government dole...again false then he try to post some BS about how he is on the government dole......proof please......another lie

3. People who are dumber than a bag of hammers.........wow why do I even have to justify the complete idiocy of his statement to you pub/baggers....btw unabridged did you have the billion in the bank that I asked about?..........boom

No, marklemoron, you are the jackass brain who tries to defend the failed, incompetent, and unqualified president Obama. There is a huge difference between income taxes and capital gains taxes. If you don't understand this, you are dumber than a bag of hammers. Buffett has always been on the government dole. He would not be a billionaire apart from his understanding of how to access the federal government's tax code to his advantage. And, you are the prototypical example of an Obama supporter who clearly is dumber than a bag of hammers. And, yes, I have a very large bank account. Maybe not a billion but.....

unabridged it seems you have a lot of bluster,,,,,,,,,,,,substance and intelligence ....not so much

marklemoron: Is this your only defense of the failed, incompetent, unqualified Obama? You certainly belong to the third category. But, you haven't stated whether or not you are in the first two.

unabridged,

I looked up your facebook account and saw your girlfriend's picture posted, is she also your sister? I checked out her photos and while she is not exactly my type, I accept that other people have different preferences. Even when those preferences include facial tattoos and stretch pants constructed from sufficient material to shelter a small village. And their livestock. Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis. It seems your preferences tend toward the later..........btw, how do you keep her fed?

Marklemoron:

I don't have a facebook account. I don't have a girlfriend, I have a wife. The previous post reveals completely your personal character and just how you operate in the world of shady characters and criminals. One day, you will be arrested for rape, maybe even murder. At the same time, you cheat on your taxes, you sponge off the rest of us, you can't hold a steady job, and you have a serious problem with drugs and alchohol, which you support with a welfare check. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are, you moron.

Now, please answer the question--how do you justify supporting our failed, incompetent, unqualified sorry-assed excuse for a president? Stop trying to change the subject.

unabrow,

I read somewhere that Eskimos prefer women of girth as it provides warmth at night. I have seen the size of those igloos though and there is no way your wife would make it through the opening. You could probably just construct one around her and despite the hassle of having to trudge out into the snow every day to catch and prepare the eighty seals required to maintain her mass, it would be like a kiln in there.

If I were an Eskimo, I would build my igloo next to a supermarket or on a tropical beach. BTW....the question still stands is she your sister too?

If you were an Eskimo, your nose would be brown, and not from rubbing it in the dirt. Also, your @!$%# would be red, and not from your own finger moving around in it. Then again, your mouth would be full of white stuff, which would not be rice or custard.

Now then, do you dare you bastard to defend your failed, incompetent, unqualified president? I asked you first.

unicorn,

Thank you for your email. While I had no idea that you were gay, I will assume it is your choice of lifestyles and appreciate you taking time out from calculating launch trajectories or removing temporal lobe tumors to contact me with such. I understand your pain when I saw your facebook picture. If I looked in the mirror and saw an anorexic version of Pugsly Adams staring back at me I would probably start cutting myself as well. I have access to your Facebook page due to the friend request you accepted from the Oscar Wilde profile I constructed yesterday. I assumed the name would hold no relevance to you and, consistency being the last refuge of the unimaginative, I typed 'Redneck wearing baseball cap' into google images to locate a photo you would identify and feel comfortable with.

Regards my gay friend.

BTW..............is that really your sister or a transvestite?

Marklemoron:

I am sorry your mother is in prison. What was she charged with? I looked it up, and it seems she is serving 5-10 years for prostitution.

And, you have not looked me up on facebook, since I don't do facebook. Surely, you have me confused with one of your near relatives.

unibomber,

I don't really have anything against Unabridged apart from the fact that he likes the band Nickelback and I have no idea what his problem with me is, as I'm pretty sure I am an absolute pleasure to work with. I brought in donuts once, which is pretty nice. I found them in a bin and left them near Unabung's desk. When he asked, "Who brought these donuts in?" I replied, "The girl from the shop across the road brought them in because they have too many" and watched him eat four, complaining between mouthfuls that they weren't very fresh. He would have eaten them all but stopped after finding a dead cricket in the box. That didn't stop him from feeding the rest to his wife while speaking to her in his terms of endearment, I think he called her a beast or something like that.

Marklemoron has me confused with his brother. He gave the donuts to Marklemoron's mother when he visited her is prison. She is in jail for prostitution and crimes against nature. The rest is mainly accurate.

Una,

Also, quick question. Having seen the photo of you on facebook, I realise you probably use a child's clothing and bicycle to get to school but what size bike would you recommend for a normal sized human?

Marklemoron:

I would recommend the same vehicle that you use to visit your mother in prison each week. You do visit your mother in prison, don't you?

Unabridged,

You seem to repeat yourself alot, which is a sure sign of low intellect but that is obvious when reading your limited vocabulary and use of vulgar words in your postings. I'm fairly certain there is a worldwide criminal investigation network dedicated solely to bringing those who construct then deny their Facebook profiles to justice. I believe the punishment is tar and feathering in most parts of the world except West Virginia where you are stripped naked, oiled up and chased around a paddock while wearing a pig mask. Apparently in your home state, of West Virginia, this is also known as a 'date'. Variations include substituting the paddock with a motorhome or the person with an actual pig. Or in your case, both. I have heard those motorhomes can be a bitch to steer. Especially around tight corners during a police chase or moonshine run.

Marklemoron:

I have an IQ of 159 and I am a member of Mensa. I have never visited the state of West Virginia, so I think you have been watching too much Justified. Again, your Facebook search reveals the quality of your brain, because I would not waste my time that way. I do wish you would treat your mother far better than you do, even if she is a whore. We must all honor our mothers and our fathers. However, before you can honor them, you must know them, and from my researching your background online, it would seem that the only way you could honor your father is stop giving blow jobs to your family members.

159??? Mensa??? yeah right........well it certainly doesn't show by your word usage and the incessant repeating of the same topic. I would have believed you if you had said "Densa". To conclude our chat I must mention I have become bored with you and must look elsewhere to get my entertainment. Compared to your intellectual level I can start at elementary school and see improvement over our present conversation. On a side note I noticed in your photo albums that you had a headset at home with a light and magnifying glass on it. When your friend fuzzy asked why you had a headset with light and magnifying glass on it you replied, "For painting collector figurines." I think this explains quite a bit about your interests. Kmart called and said the pants and pajamas you ordered in children's small have arrived.

MarkleMFer:

I apologize for taking up time you could be spending having sex with your mother. Beware the results, or have you never watched the movie "Deliverance". Repeating the topic and using elementary words are essential for communicating with the mountain folk, such as you. By the way, my main hobby is gun collecting. I have quite a few, and I am preparing for either WWIII or Civil War II, whichever comes first. I hope that it is Civil War II, since then you would have to really watch your MFing back.

unablow,

you got pretty lips kid,,,,,,,,:>)

MarkleMFer:

How do you know, you pervert?

According to your friends Tattooey and Fuzzy your lips "felt good" when they use you at the weekend parties at your home. I can only imagine the perversions committed. Unabridged, in his modesty, failed to mention what is arguably his finest contribution to humanity. Unknown to many, he was born an impoverished, shy but flatulant, Arab goatherder. His somewhat questionable love for his charges became known as as Animal Husbandry. Indeed, the essence of goat droppings never left him.

how do you know this never happened before under? lol, you don't of course, you are just ASSuming it . :) Its not as, for example: "This February, a team of Secret Service agents assigned to Vice President Cheney's protective detail on a visit to the San Diego area finished their shift and decided to wind down at a local bar. The outing ended in a drunken brawl between four Secret Service agents and a horde of locals outside a lounge called the Daley Double. During the fracas--in which the agents were outnumbered 15 to four and had to flee on foot--one of Cheney's agents bit off the tip of one of the locals' ears. It was never recovered."

and anyone who says that golf blah blah blah is his main priority is just a mindless partisan hater. The irony is that half the people say his ACTIONS are destroying the country..and the other half of the haters say his INACTION is. lol. You guys should get your whining straight. :)

The reality of the matter is that the idiots were dumb. They shouldn't of put themselves in that position. If they were going to use prostitutes they should of paid them as what was in their contract. They got what they deserved. This shows that Homeland Security isn't doing their job in screening employee's and needs to do a better job. This has nothing to do personally with Obama and I'm not a fan. Working for Government in this administration is hard. Since there's no real money politics are playing a part in who keeps their jobs not qualifications. A lot of forty something workers are being pushed out of government jobs and years of service doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Now that the federal monies are drying up anything goes.

NO their just redirecting the money to go on Vegas jaunts courtesy of the American TAX PAYERS. And then go on mpre vacations, this time dragging the whole family along courtesy of the American TAX PAYER. I just love how the funds have been "REDISTRIBUTED to HELP the American...I mean POLITICIANS who want SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. Boy the APPLE doesn't fall FAR FROM THE TREE HUH?

In most private sector job applications there is a moral turpitude clause !

If you are caught in fraud , sex harrassment ,etc ,you are immediatley dismissed with loss of benefits and told to appeal it on your own time and money !

Too many fed employees have the same sense of entitlement as the welfare moochers !

They are allowing people to retire because if brought before congress there will be never ending disclosure of massive scandal in government !

tallman1938

In most private sector job applications there is a moral turpitude clause !

If you are caught in fraud , sex harrassment ,etc ,you are immediatley dismissed with loss of benefits and told to appeal it on your own time and money !

Too many fed employees have the same sense of entitlement as the welfare moochers !

They are allowing people to retire because if brought before congress there will be never ending disclosure of massive scandal in government !

#2.4 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

Your argument starts off talking about moral turpitude clauses, but then lists only criminal activities--which aren't relevant to the situation at hand as there was nothing illegal in what occurred. Then you diverge into a rant against federal employees and "welfare moochers" followed by wild allegations of hidden scandals.

You might have had a solid post if you had stuck to your original thought and expanded on it. Do Secret Service agents have a "moral turpitude" clause in their hiring agreements? What are the specifics? Did this situation violate that clause? You don't address any of these issues, but indirectly imply them.

Bet that one hooker that squealed like a pig is already dead. The Colombian newspapers reported her "missing" and that the Hotel owners are highly p!ssed off about their name being smeared around the world.... This scandal is far from over.

Because he didn't break the law and this is a silly non-issue.

If he didn't brake the law, why is he having to leave. Even if he didn't participate, he knew it was going on and should have stopped it.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when these guys explain to their wives/girlfriends why they dont have a job anymore!

I guess I don't have enough information. What were their duties there and was this little party on 'off' time as opposed to 'working' time? I heard an 'advance' detail, which I am guessing has to do with looking at travel routes, hotel layouts, etc. They were not 'guarding' the President - or anyone else as I understand it. I mean prostitution is legal there, yes? So, they did nothing illegal. Is there some kind of Secret Service Code of Conduct that says no playing with Prostitutes? Or what? No Drinking? No Dancing? No off time to party? I don't know what the criteria is for calling what they did such a crime.

Can someone with some knowledge enlighten us? Or is this just a tempest in a teapot?

Because of their drunken behavior , the local authorities were called !

You don't believe fed employees have to adhere to any standard of conduct when off duty ?

You are clueless !

yep, 'sex sells'...its the problem of a news media organizaton being a for-profit group in a capitalistic economy.

Siara,

Let me ask you a question. Ok you do not have a choice on the question part.

You are the President. You are traveling to an area of the world that is not the best neighborhood. You find out that the people that are working on security, who have your schedule, and hookers in their rooms. These same men may at some point in the future be on detail to protect yourself, your spouse, and or your kids.

Personally I am reacting as I would if I was the President.

Saying boys will be boys, is so not going to work.

Are you a President Obama supporter? I am not, but I certainly do not want anything to happen to him because somebody needed to get Laid.

I agree.

And they could have expensed the cost against the stimulus package.

Well said. This is a boring, non-story. They didn't even break the law.

Plenty of stories don't involve breaking laws. If, say, the military, through incompetence, lost a nuclear weapon would you also say "hey, no biggie, no laws were broken"?

this potentially involved presidential security.

but of course, this story is larger than it would be due to the presence of sex..and we all know that "sex sells".

@ vermontguy- if some guy sold nuke secrets our country would be less safe. We are not in greater danger because some sleazebag wanted to get laid and hired a prostitute in a country where prostitution is legal. For Pete's sake, get a grip.

siara: my example was to show that stories that don't involve law breaking CAN be news. You missed the whole point completely..get a grip. :)

And as to your second point, people who oversee the secret service ARE concerned that the president was at greater danger due to this behavior. I trust their evaluation more than yours. For pete's sake, get a grip again. :)

You're a Republican, right? You're trying to use this pathetic, third rate scandal to imply that all of Washington has gone to hell. Don't bother with the scandal. Everyone can see through it and the scandal is boring.

lol, i've been called many things here..usually a liberal, often gay, sometimes a moron..but never a republican.

For what its worth, no doubt this is being overblown..but not for political reasons, but because "sex sells". Look at all the comments here? MSNBC, like all for-profit media, need "viewers", and stories like this get a lot more viewers than substantive..but boring...stories.

Now, will the GOP try to use this? maybe...its not as easy a story because, for example, the director of the SS was appointed by bush, so it would be relatively easy to fold it back on them. I suspect they will just let it lie and hope that some of the stink indirectly rubs off on obama, without overtly using it in ads, etc.

remember..americans love "bouncing beds and exploding heads"!

From one Vermonter to Vermont Guy (and anyone else with 1/2 brain) At issue here is their suitability to hold a national security clearance (which they do not anymore). That kind of activity opens the idiot to blackmail and extortion of national secrets. THAT is what is wrong with this sad state of "affairs".

This is why EVERYONE in the Secret Service should be re-screened with polygraphs, then re-educated as to the risks of ill considered actions.

Having, like so many others, held a very high level clearance I know the type of training they SHOULD have gone through. If they did go through it they do not have a leg to stand on and with the hotel signatures and reciepts there should be no other decision than the firing for cause for everyone involved at the very least. There are other charges they can all be brought up on - and they should!

Having grown up military, I can tell you the military and the Secret Service are NEVER really off duty. Especially in a foreign country. They are subject to recall at any given moment.

This is not Obama's fault, or Bush's fault, or Ford, or Reagan, etc. this is due to poor decisions on the part of the men involved. Regardless of whether prostitution is legal in Colombia, the men were not there on vacation, they were there to insure the protection of the POTUS. And they were there on our dime!

If proven guilty, they should not be allowed to resign, or retire, or go "quietly into that good night." They should be fired. End of story.

Well said Lady Rev,

These men were there representing our county, our people, and our president. Their disrespect is unacceptable. So many have said, they were off duty....well do terrorists work 9 to 5? I think not. They had no business acting like a bunch of drunk college kids on spring break out of Mom and Dad's sight.

They should not be allowed to resign they should be fired. No one wants to face consequences for their actions.

If this is an example of the people guarding our security, God help us all and this country.

They were braking their morality clause in their employement contract and the #1 RULE when in the house of foreign dignitaries. DON"T EMBARRESS THE U>S>A

I'm with One Fed Up Boomer. How would you like it if one of these idiots sold American secrets to Al Qeyda because they didn't want the little Mrs. to find out about their indiscrestions? THINK ABOUT IT! And think about if something like this could bring about another 9-11 which WE ALL NEVER WANT TO REPEAT AGAIN!

People, please stop posting stupid or irrelevant comments. Learn how to read AND comprehend before posting. To all the "EXPERTS": First, Prostitution is legal in SOME parts of Colombia. The issue is NOT whether prostitution there is legal or not. The issues are: 1) Why are Sec. Serv. agents bringing women to their hotel rooms? Their rooms are paid by U.S. tax payers. Whether they are off duty or not. 2) They were there for official U.S. Government business not on a personal vacation. They were technically on-duty/on-call 24/7. To those attempting to make this a political issue (Rep. v. Dem.) It is NOT. It was reported that one of the supervisors who "retired" had a 20-year tenure with the Service. That suggests that this type of behavior has been going for a long time. It just that this time they got caught. It has nothing to do with the POTUS. The Secret Service was established in 1865, SOLELY to suppress the counterfeiting of U.S. currency. Today, the agency is mandated by Congress to
carry out dual missions: protection of national and visiting foreign leaders,
and criminal investigations. That includes protecting presidential candidates, ALL OF THEM! regardless of political affiliation. The other issue is: Is this how you want U.S. Government employees working abroad representing the country? The motto of the Secret Service: "Worhty of Trust and Confidence". And some guy did not want to pay the woman for her "services". Go figure.... Trust? Confidence?

cavallodacorsa

People, please stop posting stupid or irrelevant comments. Learn how to read AND comprehend before posting. To all the "EXPERTS": First, Prostitution is legal in SOME parts of Colombia. The issue is NOT whether prostitution there is legal or not. The issues are: 1) Why are Sec. Serv. agents bringing women to their hotel rooms? Their rooms are paid by U.S. tax payers. Whether they are off duty or not. 2) They were there for official U.S. Government business not on a personal vacation. They were technically on-duty/on-call 24/7. To those attempting to make this a political issue (Rep. v. Dem.) It is NOT. It was reported that one of the supervisors who "retired" had a 20-year tenure with the Service. That suggests that this type of behavior has been going for a long time. It just that this time they got caught. It has nothing to do with the POTUS. The Secret Service was established in 1865, SOLELY to suppress the counterfeiting of U.S. currency. Today, the agency is mandated by Congress to
carry out dual missions: protection of national and visiting foreign leaders,
and criminal investigations. That includes protecting presidential candidates, ALL OF THEM! regardless of political affiliation. The other issue is: Is this how you want U.S. Government employees working abroad representing the country? The motto of the Secret Service: "Worhty of Trust and Confidence". And some guy did not want to pay the woman for her "services". Go figure.... Trust? Confidence?

#8.12 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:52 PM EDT

Whether the activity in which they engaged was legal IS relevant and very much part of the issue--and it was legal where they were at. Whether it was permissible under policies/regulations covering their service agreements is ALSO part of the issue. I have yet to see good reporting on any applicable policies/regulations the Secret Service may have regarding this issue.

As to your questions:

1) The taxpayers pay for the agent's occupancy of the hotel rooms, yes. However, that doesn't prohibit the agent from bringing anyone else into the room. As long as the agents cover the additional charge(s) for bringing a guest into the room with them out of their personal funds, and didn't claim reimbursement from the taxpayers for that charge as an official travel expense, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The taxpayer gets charged only for the cost of the agent, not the additional guest. You have no basis for complaint unless the taxpayer is wrongfully charged--which hasn't been alleged here.

2) "On duty" and "on call" are two completely different things, and "subject to recall" while off duty is a separate issue from the other two. We already know they were not "on duty" at the time. Given that they were reportedly drinking alcohol, they were apparently not "on call"--you have to remain sober while "on call." They were certainly "subject to recall" if needed for an emergency, but they were absolutely on their own time according to the reports--so free to engage in recreational activities (including drinking alcohol, provided they were sober for their scheduled duty).

And as for the final point you made: I don't know whether they had a clear agreement on terms before engaging in the services, or whether the agent or the woman tried to change the terms after the fact. I haven't seen any reporting from Colombia to indicate whether the amount the woman claimed she was owed is credible (it seems a bit high to me--Cartagena certainly isn't Nevada)--she may have created a scene just to get them into trouble. If the agent did indeed try to stiff the woman for an agreed amount, then he's certainly paying for that mistake now.

Jim,

Really, hookers are legal there. Fine, then they can travel their any time they want, have as many hookers as they desire on their own vacation.

I assume that you support President Obama?

Maybe you do not care?

I do not support him, and I would be pisses off if he was my "guy". Heck he is not my "guy" and I am pissed.

How about common sense? If this has been going on for previous administrations, that does not make it right either.

On duty off duty, you are nit picking. It does not matter, the whole entire reason they were there was because President Obama was going to be there. There was also talk that he was going to be staying at the same hotel. I have not done any checking on that, but that makes it even stupider if true. How about if one of these girls showed up and wanted to play at some point when the President was going to be there?

I am sure the Mrs. Obama is thrilled as well.

Just imagine if something did happen? Would you care then? would you be defending them?

If you cannot defend their actions if something did happen, and their actions did directly lead to a security breach. You cannot defend them just because nothing happened and it is "legal".

Can you say " take one for the team "??

I'd send his nasty A$$ packing for POTENTIALLY risking my life by screwing this type of woman. Sounds like the Secret Service needs to get with the times and let WOMEN into the FOLD:+) I could probably do a better job guarding Obama and Hilary than these bozos

The motto of the Secret Service: "Worhty of Trust and Confidence". And some guy did not want to pay the woman for her "services". Go figure.... Trust? Confidence?

well said. I just don't understand why people keep getting in trouble for things that have absolutely nothing to do with their job. Sex is normal. Prostitution is normal.....been around longer than anything tracked throughout history. so can we please just get over it.

well, it DOES have to do with their job. that is, in fact, the whole point. they broke the rules of their job, and now they have to face consequences.

Why are we hearing " more resignations expected " instead of " charges will be filed " Is this Obama's idea of being very angry if these allegations are found to be true?

what "charges" should be filled..if no actual laws were broken? This is more a question of incompetence in their jobs, which isn't addressed by "filing charges', it is addressed by demotions/firings/pay cuts/etc.

Os - they can't be prosecuted because they didn't break any laws. They broke a code of conduct, put national security at risk and behaved like idiots, but they didn't do anything illegal.

If you or I did something wrong at work that wasn't illegal we would be fired, not arrested.

And certainly not allowed to retire early either!

"vermontguy

what "charges" should be filled..if no actual laws were broken? This is more a question of incompetence in their jobs, which isn't addressed by "filing charges', it is addressed by demotions/firings/pay cuts/etc."

Vermontguy actual laws were broken. Violation of the National Securities Act is the first one that comes to mind. One thing that crossed my mind, were any of these people involved in any way with the Salahi's crashing the Obama State dinner a year or so to go?

Clearly, you have no understanding of the seriousness of this issue. Its not about sex or prostitution. Its about people who are supposed to be guarding the President trotting a bunch of random foreign nationl hookers up to their hotel rooms. That is a HUGE security risk which they were all well aware of. If the Secret Service agents were putting their dicks before operational security, then they should be fired and stripped of their clearances, as is happening.

wow, what a simple mind you must have, to act like these guys were just a bunch of truck drivers with no code of ethics to adhere to for the safety of our leader or our country.

so many dummies on here, it is not even funny, shouldn't you just be searching for porn or something that requires minimal intelligence such as yours.

Dan, I don't give a damn about their so called sex lives I DO give a damn about the violation of their oaths and the terms of their security clearances and what that can lead to with regard to the security of this nation.

We have enough congressmen with big mouths spilling national secrets we do not need compromised "secret service" agents spilling beans by extortion. I think you should also feel a twinge of concern yourself.

Hope one of them is married to Larena Bobbit, to be continued.....

Defender, I agree 100%. I don't think the "positions of trust" were the actual "Positions" they were concerned with here ! Fire them all ! I think there biggest problem is going to be expaining why their name is in this story to their wife or girlfriend back in the good old USA.

So you would want someone who is responsible for a part of national security to fail Secret Service 101? They brought risk into a security zone and they opened themselves up for blackmail. I don't know about you, but I don't want anyone that dumb responsible for the safety of American man or country.

But they DID reveal what their mission was in Colombia....prepping for Obummers' landing. Unfortunately they left so much crap on the runway that he slid into the Press Corps upon landing and tarnished one of his angel wings. Therefore, for the protection of this sorry POTUS and future superior POTUS', FIRE THEM AND THEIR BOSSES ALL!! But don't blame the Obrainless One.

Ya, I agree. Same views politically and this has nothing to do with Odumbo.

If they were so damned good they wouldn't be dipping their wicks into a bunch of Colombian Hos'.

And they wouldn't be stiffing them for a few bucks either.

If they were so good they wouldn't risk national security by opening themselves up for blackmail. More importantly, they would take their commitment to this country seriously and serve with honor, not embarrass an entire nation with their frat boy antics.

lol, is this your idea of sarcasm, good people??? that have to pay used up nasty hookers for sex, heartbreaking, not at all, maybe they should seek therapy so that maybe someday a decent women would actually want to have sex with them willingly, although highly unlikely. Personally I'd never be with a man that was with a prostitute, that is revolting.

the situation clearly displays their dysfunction and incompetence, they should be terminated asap for everyone's safety.

The difference between a whore and prostitute is price. Now how many marry for money, don't lie the divorce rate in this county is to high for people who love each other. Now what is your price again?

not to make fun of you being turned down..but you would think that being dumb would be a help when explaining the job to someone..."if you hear a gun shot stop the bullet with your body".

back to seriousness, I'm assuming they have an oversupply of candidates and can afford to be choosy, and all things being equal, you'd take the higher grade ones first? I don't think good grades is that important myself, but its an easy and objective way to screen people if you are hiring.

This whole story is idiotic. The only thing that matters was whether they were on duty at the time. If they were basically disconnected from their responsibilities at the time this happened, then why should we care? They can explain this to their families, which would be entertaining to see, but this should not impact their jobs, nor should it impact our news.

Prostitution being illegal is as stupid as it being illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays. Legalize, regulate, and tax and suddenly realize that you are no longer wasting massive amounts of cash on enforcing, but actually turning a profit on the taxation of the act.

Are you kidding me ALarien? I saw 9-11 occur right infront of my face when many were watching it unfold on T.V. and I'll be DAMNED if I EVER want to SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN MY LIFETIME AGAIN. One of these morons could facilitate this with their low moral standards. Some people will do anything not to be blackmailed get it. They broke a code of ethics that is not just for the protection of Pontus the President but TO ALL OF OUR BENEFIT AS AMERICAN CITIZENS. Secret servicemen are Privy to the inner workings of the government, over hear things, see things...Get it? So off duty or not they are representing this country. So if their BEHAVIOR IS SUSPECT I WOULD WANT THEM F.I.R.E.D PRONTO!

Why stop there? Why not go through your employer and fire everyone that is "scum" there?

Start with the FBI, to balance out and compensate for the legitimization of the most brutal destruction of innocent citizens imaginable, at the hands of fellow citizens forced to have the TSP run through them via non disclosures, they live super squeaky clean lives, but it just doesn't add up...

There are things far worse than call girls to sleep with...

Nasty @!$%#in @!$%#...

Here is the gist of it. They probably have a morality clause in their employement contract. Celebs have it and so do musicians. From my understanding if they were here and had extramarital affairs and someone outted them they could still lose their security clearance and quite possibly their jobs because this behavior could open them up to BLACKMAIL(Still CONDUCT UNBECOMING). How do we know that some columbian cartel wasn't following these idiots, taking pictures and waiting for their moment. You don't think that Ms."I'm and Escort not a COMMON STREET WALKER." wouldn't of sold these idiots out for the right price?" People do strange things for MONEY. And now everyone os paying for it as the Government is NOW INVESTIGATING EVERY LAST AGENT AND ANY OTHER OVER SEAS TRIP TAKEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BY Secret Servicemen. Perhaps it's time to put Women on the job over there.