Follow the paper trail... how did North Korea get the money to become a threat? How did Communist China get the money to become a Super Power? Who gave the North Vietnamese money to wage war? Who funded the Bulshevist Revolution? Who funded and still visits Castro?

The answer points back at US and British banking and industry cartels.

So you really want to play the nuke game that Rothchilde and Rockafeller types want you to play?

Master Ben,

shhh, you can't say Rothschild...the Fed Reserve police will be after you soon.

Ben, not a nuke game, just some tests ;)

"U.S. officials say North Korea may already have an arsenal between 12 and a "few dozen" far more advanced weapons, many more than generally believed."

And how many do we have or the rest of the world has? Some countries are using our own military weapons that we sell them to crush/kill their own people and we keep selling them the same weapons. Why can't we just leave the North Koreans alone? If they decide to attack than we can respond as we wish but we have no right to get involved in their own f....ng business.

Tontosh,

When North Korea turns the DMZ into a crater, and we lose 18,000 or so soldiers in a blink of an eye, you will understand.

The problem we have is our nation has taken the socialist side of politics for the last 2 decades. We use war but we have no stomach to finish a job. We pander to the wants of petty dictators. We issue apologies to terrorists.

At the end of the day we will be forced to witness something quite horrible. Either NK will nuke Japan or SK, or Shiite Muslims will nuke Israel or India. We had a chance back in the day to take care of all of this. The idea of having American space ships traveling between planets is over. In 30 years we will be part of a global government, but unfortunately, America will have much less to say about how it is formed. Hopefully the North Korea's of the world can be put in their place in a faster and more tidy fashion that what our planet does now.

Nuke tests are the prelude to the development of actual nuclear weapons. Since we have to assume that they are "successful". The actual weapons will be developed shortly after. And there is nothing that the U.S. can do about it...next to starting a war.

Oh really....just like Iraq had WMDs.

Am. Socialist....my thoughts exactly. Need to pay attention to those words, "might have and may have." It's all speculation at best. Keep the sanctions in place and ignore them. They do this every time they want attention.

In the spirit of Cooperation:

Let's send them 2 of ours, EXPRESS AIR and show them how they work?

I have a feeling Major Burns has something to do with this story. Where is Colonel Flagg when we need him?

With as much as N. Korea barks, it better have a few bites in it.

Why do we make a big fuss every time NK throws a tantrum? If we're not gonna go in there and whack them (we're not), the best response is to ignore them - they're irrational actors who can't be engaged or made to respond on any reasonable basis, and no "agreement" with them has any sanctity or validity. No conversation or argument gets through to them - forget them and let them whither away.

We're actually prolonging their existence with these food-for-good-behavior deals - if we'd left them on their own their government would've collapsed long ago, or the Chinese would've had to march in and set them straight once and for all.

Thor,

They already have nukes. They are testing advanced fission weapons. Its like the difference between what we dropped on Japan and what we have now.

Phantom,

People like you should travel to Iran. I would pay for the ticket. Go talk to those you uphold and see what they think about a milk toast American with no allegiance. People like you make me sick. Do you think the videos of Iranian children wearing bomb vests is some sortof Western propaganda?

As I said on another thread, my fellow American's disappoint me on a daily basis. I give you MSNBC.

Who pray tell is or are these "US Officials" what branch of the government do they work for, how is it they know this, who is David Albright and what is the International Science and Security Institute, what does "may have" mean is scientific terms, how many are in a "couple of dozen".......More Military Industrial Complex BS.....ask some questions and don't be to scared of countries that can't feed themselves.

Tripe on a slow news day.

Yank,

You are what im talking about.

A dictator starves his people and threatens another country and you support the dictator.

North Korea, Iran, and most parts of Africa arent threats because we make them such, they are threats because they are led by lunatic, vapid, psycopathic thugs.

You are a disappointment to me. How can our country produce such blindness?

It's one thing to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan, or Usbekkibekkibekkistan (thanks HC! Still getting a chuckle out of that one), but some careful consideration needs to go into whether or not we start sabre rattling with N. Korea. It's not a big country, but they have an extremely well trained army, real weapons, and a big, big, BIG brother to the north.

On the other hand, I'm not too crazy about Kim Un having nukes, so I'm going to let the powers that be decide for me. That's why we elected them, right?

Half of all discretionary spending goes to defense and what we have become is the world bully and arms provider. You people in Washington should be ashamed of cuts to education while spending fortunes on wars and snooping on some impoverished country that would have to hand carry or rent a camel from some Arabic dictator a nuclear device to another country.

Note the crumbling roads and the heavy burden carried by the youth of this nation for their entire life. Let's cut defense, increase taxes to the pre-Bush era, and get our own house in order--like that's going to happen.

After the 'embarrassment' of the missile launch failure, they think they need a new nuclear test to ratchet up the pressure on the West to make more concessions in return for 'talks' about their nuclear program.

It works like a charm for NK, so why should they change a 'winning formula'?

After the test, Obama will agree to more aid in return for new talks. Any bets?

sandtrich "Let's cut defense, increase taxes to the pre-Bush era, and get our own house in order--like that's going to happen."

I'm sure we can cut defense spending, as well as many other 'discretionary' programs, but I agree completely that we should increase taxes to the pre-Bush era - it would solve most of our Deficit problem. The beauty of that would be that Congress and the President would have to do what they seem to do best - NOTHING, since the cuts expire automatically on January 1, 2013.

Unfortunately, neither Obama nor Congress will let that happen. Wait and see.

north Korea is just rattling THE CAGE; THEY ONLY WANT FOOD, FOOD FOOD STUFFS FROM THE u.s., THEY ARE ON THE VERGE OF STARVATION; IF THEY WOULD USE ONE NUCLEAR WEAPON against the south, they would be a wasteland land within 6 hours, they know this, it is all for food.

North Korea, Iran, and most parts of Africa arent threats because we make them such, they are threats because they are led by lunatic, vapid, psycopathic thugs.

Feel free to go cart your a$$ over to those countries, "take down" these dictators and "liberate" their "poor, oppressed" little darling citizens then. Go ahead. Go give all of them a piece of your mind. Your itinerary is full, so you better hop to it.

Boy those sanctions on NK sure are working!

Its a world wide epidemic Iran, N Korea, Israel, India.. Pakistan is the most troubling to me, it wont be like the Cuban missile crisis when sh it hits the fan..

Uh oh. We better keep feeding them!

That stupid Country is toast if it tries anything so stupid...or ...um errr. Does anybody think our present Commander have the ablility to focus like a laser on anything except his re-election? The timing is not an accident.

Roy, old boy...

After the test, Obama will agree to more aid in return for new talks. Any bets?

Really? Obama is the first president in a long while that hasn't been playing that game. Bush I and II, Clinton, even RR played the "oh, NK is acting up, let's give in to quiet them down".

When NK proceeded with their failed missile test, what did Obama do? He cancelled the food shipments that had already been in motion. He actually *punishes* them for bad behavior. Maybe you should read a paper some time...

Just a reminder to everyone. War no longer has much to do with weapons! War is economic! Stop giving them food and aid. Russia, China etc, spend next to No money helping other countries, fighting needless wars, and trying to police the world. North Korea is their ally, let them help them and pander to their tantrums. I feel like a sucker every time we get the heart strings pulled to help a nation. It is hard on a humanitarian level, but, let them starve. Let the people see where their leadership and friends are, if they tolerate it, so be it, die, if they stand up, let Russia and China worry about it.

Help thoise who help themselves isn't just for religious people, it is for anyone with common sense.

Adampositive

Just a reminder to everyone. War no longer has much to do with weapons! War is economic!

Spoken like someone that has never seen it Adam...you have a big awakening coming dude.

texas, NK has a huge amount of heavy, very well fortified artillery just waiting to pound Seoul into rubble. without nukes, they certainly would end up being overrun by the South even without US help. but the cost to SK would be very dear. no doubt who would eventually win, but they can do a tremendous amount of damage in a very short time before their weapons could be stopped.

@America-Today:

So in your private dictionary, "socialism" means "a nation does not finish its wars"?

And we wonder why our nation is failing... *sigh*

We should have a lot more talk about containment.

I realize the right hates this, but it is reality.

Any country with resources to build the bomb, can build the bob.

Any other discussion like preemptive attack is childish.

If they do their test JUST RIGHT they will poison all the local region , might even piss off their Chiinese neighbors , wouldn't that be something!!

I believe that we need to have defense and watch them closely. The minute we stop defending our country in fighting terrorist in other countries is when the terrorist will come here. NKorea has the capability to use nuclear weapons against us by selling it to their allies who are closer to us like Russia and other countries closer to us. We need to keep a close watch on Russia and even China. We gave work to China and now they have increased in economy. They are not are friends even though they want us to believe so. Many countries of the world hate us but wanted our money and our weapons. Now we are in the spotlight of who can destroy us first or together. Our government knows something is up but are not warning us or telling us the truth. There are going to be hard times for USA because we have taken God, Yeshua Hashamiach, The Son of Man, Jesus Christ, out of our schools, colleges, government and even out of some of our churches. It is time to repent! Even the earth is moaning for the coming of Lord.

Thor 9... North Korea already has nuclear weapons, estimated to be about 3 dozen, far more than the less than 10 originally thought. Any further tests is to make sure their weapons work. To those who think NK would actually use nuclear weapons on Japan or South Korea, they won't because China won't let them, and North Korea is not going to piss off China. The last thing China wants is its ally to start WW3.

Lynetta, China and Russia have more nuclear weapons and more technology than North Korea. North Korea would be the ones purchasing the weapons. The only threat North Korea poses to US is war with South Korea or Japan. That would force US to declare war on North Korea, which most likely would bring China and Russia into the conflict. The last thing China wants right now is being drawn into a world war.

American Socialist - Oh really....just like Iraq had WMDs.

How about this, since you know NOTHING, read from another Socialist's US Law, H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 2 "Findings".

And if that is not good enough for you, under the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request the details of 2002-2003 Operation Hotel California, regarding the Iraqis Chemical Weapons Site located at Sargat and since you were with us you know all about Al Quada, as Ansar al Islam, that we had chased into Northern Iraq from Afghanistan weeks after the 9/11 2001 Attacks.

Once again the NO Experienced NON Participants post nonsense on Newsvine. You too DM7741.

America Today-Anthony - A Yank in Australia You are what im talking about.

He is no more a US Citizen at Australia, than he does not have a Aussie wanger in his broke back.

sandtrich - Half of all discretionary spending goes to defense and what we have become is the world bully and arms provider. You people in Washington should be ashamed of cuts to education while spending fortunes on wars and snooping on some impoverished country that would have to hand carry or rent a camel from some Arabic dictator a nuclear device to another country. Note the crumbling roads and the heavy burden carried by the youth of this nation for their entire life. Let's cut defense, increase taxes to the pre-Bush era, and get our own house in order--like that's going to happen.

You are an embarrassment as a Failure of the Broken Failed US Education System that we spend the most money on and still produce defective non competitive internationally products.

The ONLY thing left of US Manufacturing, US Industry, etc. is the US Military Defense Industrial Complex that employs almost a hundred million US Civilians, and you know what you will find out just how wrong you and President Obama are, as Commander In Chief President Obama has demanded Cuts, so almost a million US Civilians will be thrown on Unemployment in the next few months. Good Luck sandtrich eating your Obamachow (dog food of undetermined sources) rationed to you one can per week during the Next Great Depression.

Like I told you before about what Appropriations the US Army Corps of Engineer Projects/Programs (Infrastructure) within the US come from; but, no sandtrich too much of a lazy b to even bother to do the Research.

And the real tragedy others on Newsvine Voted for your Uneducated Post.

Do_Not_Mess_With_Texas,

All that so called "High Tech" did not even win the First Gulf War, other than as depicted on TV, we were unfortunely used as LRS-D to spearhead the First Gulf War. Majority of Iraqis Military Intact after the First Gulf War. And during 2002-2003 Operation Hotel California we then ended up destroying most of the Iraqis Armor and Mechanized Infantry Divisions without killing most of the Iraqis Military Personnel North of Baghdad before the First US Military Conventional Warfare Forces first entered Iraq from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia 2003.

Do_Not_Mess_With_Texas - The Joint Chiefs should demand it, and they should refuse to take "no" for an answer.

That is NOT up to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as US Civilian Control Over the US Military. The Trump Card to pressure President Obama as Commander In Chief was already used by the US Military and US Intelligence Agencies to pressure President Obama to authorize the Mission to Locate, Capture, or Terminate Osama Bin Laden.

Adampositive,

Sure tell all that to the US Politicians and Demand that the US get out of the United Nations. So that the US Military is no longer used as the United Nations Military B!tches. US gets out of the United Nations until the Chinese and Russian Federation have their Citizens pay for Humanitarian Assistance as well as using their Militaries to do the United Nations bidding.

John-1779666 - The only threat North Korea poses to US is war with South Korea or Japan.

While you are only looking at Asia you are failing to realize the North Korean Agreements with the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran.

The North Koreans have the Nuclear Warheads that work.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran has the IRBMs, ICBMs that work.

Why do you think all that money is being spent to place US Military ABMs at Romania since December 2011 as a complete reversal of President Obama's Policy against President Bush's Deployment of US Land based ABM Batteries to Eastern Europe.

David###### you really need to stop drinking and writing..... oh and I didn't know that if you don't agree with David######'s Rants about the world as he knows it......then you can't be a US Citizen any more.......damn.... Honey where's my suicide pills I just can't take it David####### won't let me be a US Citizen any more.

Get out of your mothers basement and seek professional help.....soon.

David is actually correct. A self reporting by the Iraqi government to the CWC in 2009 they declared "two bunkers with filled and unfilled chemical weapons munitions, some precursors, as well as five former chemical weapons production facilities." This what was left over after the initial bombing campaign in 2003 and 6 years of collecting and destroying other chemical weapons.

NK hasn't yet proved they have a working weapon. All they've done so far is proven they received their design from Pakistan. The same fizzled incomplete detonations twice.

If they decide to attack than we can respond as we wish but we have no right to get involved in their own f....ng business.

Of course we have the right to get involved. When and if they decide to attack, hundreds of thousands of people could die. If they wait until they get a working ICBM, those hundreds of thousands could be Americans. And, then, we'll all (including you) be demanding to know why our government didn't do more to stop the North Koreans.

David do you really think your words are really doing anything? Simple fact is i didn't read your entire post. Not because I couldn't but because its like the rest of the commenters here on the vine preaching nonsense. But I think when you or I say nonsence it's actually other peoples opinions so please don't post the truth for these people. They can't handle the truth

A Yank in Australia,

That Aussie wanger pumping Uranus will not push your brain into your head.

BA-2906247,

Long ago I hinted at where the US Ally Iraq got the Chemical Weapons they used on the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran, the Kurdistanis. As well as the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran's Military after they, US Ally Iraq, were losing. By doing this the US Ally Iraq ended the years long Iran Iraq Wars. I was one of the Team Commanders of the US Military Training Teams at US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, we were rotated to Operation Cyclone before the Iran Iraq Wars ended. Some of us rotated back to US Ally Iraq just before the end of the Iran Iraq Wars (because US Ally Iraq was losing). The other hint, I was one of the authors of Operation Steel Box and Operation Golden Python based on training and experience with Redacted Weapons.

At the end of the First Gulf War, General Swartzkoff had his US Army Combat Engineers blow up the Iraqis Munitions Storage Facility Northwest of Basra, ordered not to do a Site Survey. The result was the Chemical Munitions being thrown thousands of feet straight up, and the downwind (south) 1st and 2nd US Cavalry being hit by Chemical Weapons.

TheWhiteJudge - David do you really think your words are really doing anything?

Not for those that want to remain uninformed. However, if something happens to me in my current situation at least there is a written record of what actually happened.

david, in your post you hint that you are an expert on WMDs, but have glaring inaccuracies, such as: When the munitions storage facility was destroyed during Operation Desert Storm, 2nd ACR was already Kuwait and was not in the downwind hazard area. the XVIII Airborne Corps was in the downwind hazard area, and most units affected were from that corps including 3rd ACR, the 82nd and the 24th ID. I know, because I was with the 24th when the explosion happened and our M-8s went off soon afterwards. We masked up, but was told it was a false alarm and unmasked (no unmasking procedures conducted). and the winds blew west/southwest. Not south.

You cite the Iraqi liberation act of 1998 as an example of "socialists" saying Iraq had WMDs, but fail to mention that in 1998, Iraq was barring weapons inspectors from doing their work, so we were assuming they still had WMDs. And, were in violation of UN resolutions for not allowing inspections to occur. The Act called for supporting democratic efforts in Iraq, not direct military intervention. You then talk about the Chemical weapons storage facility in Sargat as proof that Iraq still possessed WMDs, but fail to mention that Sargat was located in the Kurdish region of Iraq, that the Iraqi government had no control over since 1991. You failed to mention that the munitions found there, were left over from the Iran-Iraq war. that the chemical agents found there had degraded so much that they were not considered military grade. showing evidence that they were not maintained. You claim Ansar al Islam was forced out of Afghanistan, into northern Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan. This is false. Ansar al Islam was formed in Sept 2001 in Northern Iraq to oppose the PUK. And allied itself with Al Qaeda after the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

How do I know so much? I spent 26 years in the army as a NBC/CBRNE specialist and was part of the 75th XTF and ISG, looking for WMDs in Iraq during and after the invasion. And to claim WMDs were found is ludicrous.

And to claim that North Korea has nuclear weapons that work. Both tests that we know of yielded less than a kiloton of explosion. In fact there is uncertainty to whether the test in 2006 was an actual nuclear explosion. And if it was, it was either a total dud or it fizzled. These are compared to our first nuclear test that was approx 20 kt. There "nuclear tests" were as embarrassing as their latest long range missile test.

david, it is also cute how you put "Fundamentalist" in front of Iran's official name of Islamic Republic of Iran to make it sound even scarier.

NKorea has the capability to use nuclear weapons against us by selling it to their allies who are closer to us like Russia and other countries closer to us

NK will sell nukes to Russia and China to use against the US? ROFLMAO!

what an utterly delusional statement. in case you didn't know, Russia has literally thousands of nuclear weapons as well as missles,subs, artillery and bombers to deliver those weapons whenever they want, wherever they want. remember that little thing called the "cold war"? China also has plenty of nukes of their own, and has had them since the 60s. they certainly don't need to buy third-rate bombs from NK.

David###### lives in his own fictional make believe world where he and only he gets to make up the facts, he gives them fancy almost official names and numbers, claims to have been there with Custer at the Little Big Horn, side by side with Teddy when they charged up San Juan Hill, was in a tank at the Battle of the Bulge and led the troops at Da Nang......etc etc etc. He knows all is privy to all CIA, FBI, DOD, Congressional Hearing and Presidential Correspondence he has all the facts and if you don't agree with him then you are wrong and you don't get to be a US Citizen anymore. He needs help, pity, sympathy and monitoring....why because he really believes what he is making up and that makes him dangerous, like the guy in Norway who killed a bunch of children as a result of some fantasy being played out in his head.

He reminds me of the guy with the "Command Center" in his mothers basement in Die Hard 4....he is so loony its funny.....and when you spout off enough you are bound to land on one of the factual squares every now and then.....but its mostly just regurgitated right wing doomsday chicken little BS....funny though.

You are a disappointment to me. How can our country produce such blindness?

America Today, I would like to pose the same statement towards you since all you spew is rhetoric and false media propaganda. You present no actual facts or information.

Where have you seen these Iranian children with bomb vests ?

Do you have ANY idea of the 60 year history of American interference in the Middle East and the rest of the world, that has created most of the bogeymen we are taught to fear ?

While I agree that Iranian leadership is religiously fundamental and crazy, do you know that they have never attacked another country first since this regime took charge after the Iranian Revolution of '79 ?

You cite countries like North Korea and Iran using nuclear weapons, yet America is still the only country that has EVER used one. Also there is no solid evidence to prove that Iran is anywhere close to developing a nuclear weapon. From what I've read they are 10-20 years away in a best case scenario. Israel has more nuclear weapons than N. Korea and the entire Middle East combined.

do you know that they have never attacked another country first since this regime took charge after the Iranian Revolution of '79

well, not directly anyways...that's what proxies are for. (which they pretty much learned from us and the old ussr)

BigJeff-2931255

your statement, logical, but not quite true... the chinese have already stated that if north korea gets into it with US that they will not back the north koreans..

I'm in south korea right now as i right this.. and all the mumbo jumbo the NKs speak is just that.. their only word they have followed up on was the rocket (which turned out to be a dismal disappointment to us 11Bs over here). i'm over here and see whats going on and have a better grasp on it than some.. but our government is correct on things and we do get ready for war, but the fact that their "big brother" won't back them against us.. doesn't help them out at all.

North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, and all the other loud mouth countries are like my ex wife. They are trying to provoke us through petty insults and threats they could never carry out against the U.S to do something that would cause bigger countries to get involved. Smile at them and tell them to call our attorney.

Let's not get wrapped around the axle with these idiots claims and always remember:

"THE LOUDEST IN THE ROOM IS ALWAYS THE WEAKEST"

Oh really....just like Iraq had WMDs.

Guess you are not good at reading articles, North Korea has already tested weapons in 2006 and 2009, and have publicly stated that they have, would you want one detonated over your house for proof? Besides, your leader says they have nuclear weapons, and he wouldnt lie, would he?

If there is an actual test fire, that would be a hell of a lot more proof than what was presented to Americans prior to the start of the Iraq war.

They tested them when GWB was in office and what did he do? NK is nothing like Iraq.

Because BO was President during the 2006 test, oh, we'll just blame that on Clinton.

akel,

best let the adults converse on this subject......get along now time for your nap

This should be fun; Let's see how BO screws this one up.

He could behave like a republican and invade them...that's how he could screw it up.

Waiting and wanting the President to fail...this is what is wrong with the country.

Amen, Jack Dulouz

Obeyme has already failed; why have you missed the point?

Should someone spell it out for you? Did the RIF bus not make it to your neighborhood yet?

@ we the corporations

Or he could act like a liberal and send them money and aide to calm down. :)

Jack - So true!!!

OBAMA 2012!

Homie D Clown - Did the RIF bus not make it to your neighborhood yet?

They do not know about the President Obama Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military yet. They will find out too late after all the former US Military more qualified and experienced than them take their jobs away, throwing their arses on Unemployment.

You cannot argue with stu I mean uninformed with Facts, like who, what, where, why, when, how many, etc..

Your not the brightest lightbulb out there, are you?

How? They've been testing nukes for a while now there. Why is this one so different after they just had an epic fail in their missile program? They're just trying to show their d***s aren't that short.

Texas...no question you have not been in a war or in Korea.

I personally don't understand why we're worried about "sh*t hitting the fan"; the moment they try to actually bomb anybody, they're getting paved. Doesn't matter if it's us or China or wherever else. They've made enough enemies, no one would question the full onslaught of devestation that would end up completely destroying the meager civilization they've cultivated. In my opinion, in this day and age, (unless theres some magical Plan-B i'm unaware of where they would actually come out on top for nuking someone): I think they're just massive sh*t talkers.

ms...China won't sit still and witness the destruction of North Korea because it's too close to their back yard. China and North Korea are allies. Why do you think the US leaves them alone? Also, now that Russia and China have become friends, war with all three super powers would be very very devastating, more so than the estimated 70 million lost lives in WW2.

I think given our history we're not exactly known for sitting still after being attacked either, not to mention I don't think China wants to lose our "customer loyalty" anytime soon... I really don't think the next war is going to go down by a random, sudden, massive exchange of nukes that will just destroy everything. Political leaders want power, you don't have power over a dead land with dead citizens.

I understand North Korea is scary because they have more of an irrational hatred and not so much a logical plan, but I have to believe Russia and China know a little better. They know damn well if NK nukes us that we're going to retaliate and that the rest of the modern world will be on our side, at least in a political defense. They're certainly not ready to take us over either (we do have a good military and good defenses in comparison to the rest of the world) and won't gain too much in destroying us, espcially without the intention of actually invading the land for their own use but just bombing it. Not to mention the environmental impact on the earth would end up killing them anyway in a nuke war.

I know its all my own opinion and conjecture based on my knowledge of world history and current events, but I just don't think the world leaders of today (except for maybe extremists like in the middle east or NK) are as naive and button-happy with nukes as our general population has grown to believe. Like i said, they want power, and it's not going to get them anything to just blow up the world. I could be wrong but i've reasoned to myself that they must be coming up with a better "plan" than that. Call me stupid for not living in fear like everyone else, that's really all it is. I'm concerned and not happy that nukes exist but I don't live in an alarmist fear every day that someones going to nuke us. I think the most reasonable guess for how the next nukes would be dropped would actually be something closer to the plot to Fail-Safe than some powerful nut that hates us deciding its time to end the world.

well unfortunately i'm in korea right now..

msfruhaufl,

War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese
Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed
forces must control the initiative in this war."

For a up-date on China's Military 'THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA'.. see - http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/

China's missile defense is based on the DF-21d, which has the capability to pushing the US Navy out of the China Sea and almost to Australia...

"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War... see http://weapons.technology.youngester.com/2010/08/df-21d-chinese-aircraft-carrier-killing.html

The next World War will be fought over 'Natural Resources' and China and Russia will be key players...

ASEAN is already consolidating to fight the China claims on the resources of the South China Sea & Mekong River. It is not just the Philippines, it is; Cambodia, Japan, India, Indonesia, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, etc, who are disputing land areas/resources, that China also claims...

Remember when Russia planted their flag on the Arctic Ocean @ the North Pole??? They claimed ALL of the oil/NG and resources in the Arctic, which may contain a quarter of the world's untapped petroleum reserves. Basing this claim on their Continental Shelf that extends down the Lomonosov Ridge to between Greenland & Iceland... see http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/arctic.htm

The Chinese economy has stabilized and they are concentrating on their; GROWING middle-class, social unrest, and environmental issues. The stagnating EU and USA economies are not where the future of China lies, it is the ASEAN+3 Countries and access to natural resources/energy...

North Korea is scarry only because you can not predict what a country full of hungry people will do...

What about Iran? China, Russia, Japan, Canada, Pakistan, all of the other crazy ass countries that have nukes, Msnbc?? We cant be everywhere.

Heh....I don't think Japan has nukes. Or Canada. That's funny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

Ten seconds, jsfoo. Ten seconds and you could've prevented yourself looking foolish and uneducated.

Search engines are your friend.

jsfoo ....

You forgot the craziest and worst offender of them all... ISREAL!!!! Those bastards don't even need to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty.

jsfoo - Good question! Obama and many Americans worry about North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan - and ignore our country in its decay and great downhill slide!

We have senior citizens who cannot afford food and healthcare. Nearly 30% of our youth do not receive a high school education - many of our youth do not have any real future to look forward to.

We are broke as a country yet our incompetent leaders make bombs instead of plowshares. Like, son-of-a-gun, we have accused other countries of doing that in the past.

We don't need to worry about those other countries. We need some leaders that can get concerned about the U.S.A. We don't have them now.

jmwhite540, wikipidea isn't actually where you want to draw your sources from if you're going to call someone else "foolish and uneducated"

Iowa Mike - jsfoo - Good question! Obama and many Americans worry about North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan - and ignore our country in its decay and great downhill slide!

Eventhough I do not like President Obama for the things that he has done or refuses to do (don't give me that baloney "obstructionist" crap, especially since he bypassed US Congress numerous times with Executive Orders). Those Nations are a really concern, especially the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran as used by the Chinese and Russian Federation as their "Proxy Fighters".

Iowa Mike - We have senior citizens who cannot afford food and healthcare.

Solution, get the Insurance Corporations out of the Medical Profession and institute President FDR's Universal Health Care For All US Citizens by also getting the Insurance Corporations out of the Medical Profession.

Iowa Mike - Nearly 30% of our youth do not receive a high school education - many of our youth do not have any real future to look forward to.

Maybe if the States would stop spending all that money on the Education of Illegal Aliens maybe the States would have the money for the Education of the Children of US Citizens. example: Reference from the State of California Government, 2004, spent over $10 Billion on Illegal Aliens as; $7.7 Billion on the Education of Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion on the Health Care for Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion on the Imprisonment of Illegal Aliens for Violent Crimes like Murder, Rape, Armed Assaults, Gang Random Rape then Murder, etc. and that over $10 Billion spent on Illegal Aliens does NOT include Public Assistance as required since the defeat of California's Proposition 187. And NO the Sales Taxes of $17 Million did NOT pay for the over $10 Billion spent on Illegal Aliens, and NO the Illegal Aliens do NOT pay Income Taxes, as that would mean filling out Employer Paperwork (Income Tax Withholding, Social Security Deductions, etc.) that ICE uses to apprehend and deport Illegal Aliens. By not filling out Employer Paperwork and demanding Cash for Work Only, Illegal Aliens doing this are Felony Criminal Tax Evaders.

As far as the current US Education System, a Failure, with the most spent, yet producing non competitive internationally products; as out performed by India. Why, because the US Education System is NOT Performance Based and is Politically Correct in that everyone gets a prize (NOTHING EARNED). Before getting recalled to Active Duty ruined my 2nd Civilian Career, Teaching (mostly at Inner City Combat Zone Schools), I was already seeing the Teachers coming into the US Education System, not as Idealists to Change the World; but, as Just a Secure Steady Job. And the main reason I was so qualified to Teach, I was trained to Teach and used to teach US Military Nuclear (Weapons) Physics and Nuclear Physiology, and later on after switching Jobs (US Military Officer Specialty) I was involved in Foreign Internal Defense (FID) as Training the Trainers of Foreign Nations Military Forces before I retired from the US Military and became a US Civilian Teacher 2nd Career. So it was very easy for me to see which direction the US Education System was going as well as the (lack of) quality of Teachers coming into the US Education System.

msfruhauf - I really shouldn't have to point this out, but I will: Can you, in your smug condescension, disprove the accuracy of the particular link in question? I think not. Most intelligent people know that wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information. However, most intelligent people who use wiki as a starting point will reference other sources to make sure that it is accurate. And my point was really more about verifying information before publishing it to a public forum than presenting wiki as a model repository of infallible information. Regardless, since the information in the link is accurate, your reply to me is entirely irrelevant to your point. In a strange way, you actually solidified my point even further.

If you had made a statement to the general newsvine readership regarding wikipedia's dubious reliability as a source, I'd have never said a word and I fully agree with you. But you addressed me directly. I didn't feel the need to clarify the reliability of the source when a) that fact should already be understood and b) the link is accurate.

Thanks for participating. Have a great day!

Way to try and derail from the fact that YOU first name-called and labled someone as "foolish and uneducated", a word like ignorant would've been more fitting and less insulting, yet you apparently can't down the same medicine... You seem to have a real superiority complex with this response in trying to "prove how educated you are". My point still stands. If wiki got their information from a more reliable source and you know it, then why not site that source instead?

Okay... Yes, my words were a bit harsh. I didn't argue the validity of your point; I argued the relevance to my comment. The link was accurate. You didn't like the way I worded the original comment and made a smarmy retort that was not supported by your assertion [in this case]. Therefore, it was irrelevant.

I do admit to superiority issues, especially when it comes to someone saying Canada and Japan have nuclear weapons. How quickly less intelligent people latch on to info from random forums and run with it as gospel is utterly maddening. I demonstrated (accurately) how easily one could find evidence to support or disprove a comment before it is made.

It's not about trying to "prove how educated you are". It's about using this immensely powerful tool called the internet to verify something you're about to broadcast to the world.

To answer your question: In this case, I neither had to nor needed to. The link was accurate.

Yeah bchapman, just like his predecessors before him. Right?? Do you actually believe what you're typing or does it just run out of your fingers and mouth like crap??

it seems that is the extent of the repubs that comment here......crap

Bush barely even told them to stop, he was too busy fighting Israel's war in Iraq.

You guys still crying over Bush?

vernooooooooooooooooo.... We cannot criticize the predecessors into action can we. Somehow you need to understand criticism does motivate action but they need to be in office first. Two wrongs don't make a right. Come on, think before letting yourself type out your ignorant responses.

If the Mus lim brotherhood want N. Korea we will attack immediately and give it to them.

Peace Out!

Barry O.

bchapman-1003917

You guys still crying over Bush?

We're just pointing out what a bunch of hypocrites the neocons are.

As if Republicans don't cry over Clinton still...this is typical political rhetoric. Blame the other party while we continue on a downward spiral.

You guys still crying over Bush?

Ya, pretty much the way y'all will be whining about President Obama for years and years - as if all this trouble only started when the blackish man showed up.

You guys still crying over Bush?

Nope, we're just laughing at you.

You're channeling Joseph McCarthy.....

I doubt it's brainwashing...I doubt that these people over there get to do a lot of what they want...like eat...because of this idiot.

Try not to forget that. I can't imagine being in that situation..

All North Korea has to do is make the first move and they will be dust in a matter minutes. China and Russia will do nothing if this happens. They can't justify a first strike by NK.

mathuin... NK population has little choice... either accept what the leaders say or die.

I doubt it's brainwashing...I doubt that these people over there get to do a lot of what they want...like eat...because of this idiot.

Try not to forget that. I can't imagine being in that situation..

sadly its true bluepanther, because the proles have extremely little contact of any kind with the outside world. they only know what they are told, and they are told that everything is even worse outside their borders.

I remember an incident where some SK engineers got in trouble for throwing an old newspaper with kim jong il's picture on it into the trash can. the local people thought that somehow the SKs were somehow showing disrespect for the "dear leader" by throwing his picture in the trash,

this happened a few years (10+-) ago when I was working in SK.

NK defectors are amazed at just how well people actually live in the South, but have to actually be taught details of living in a non-totaliarian society. like how to pay bills every month since the government takes care of every detail of their lives in NK

. I can't imagine being in that situation..

Nor can I

Coming to a city near you. December 21st 2012 !!

Oh, did you come up with that all by yourself? Bonk is what happened when your Mamma dropped you on your head. Repeatedly.

Yes, more2bits. N.K. can't even get a three-stage rocket to stay in the air for more than 90 seconds. The West Coast is doomed. DOOMED!

They have an almost 60% fail rate on even their mid-ranged missiles. What are they going to do, bring the nukes to America by horseback on a boat barely capable of crossing the Pacific? As crazy as North Korea seems to be, there is virtually zero chance that they would attack the U.S. They know we'd turn their country into a smoldering, radioactive cesspit. And that's only if we didn't invade, overrun with superior-trained forces and occupy them indefinitely at great costs to us. The U.S. is pretty good at the latter, actually.

NK threats are aimed at SK. They can act all bigshot to us because they know China has its back. US should have let McArthur invade China during Korea war when he marched through NK. No... we don't finish the job and then we have to deal with the b-s later.

John-By that thinking should we have gone with Patton and rearmed the Germans and occupy Moscow like he wante? Would have saved even more BS. China would invade NK before letting them nuke SK. SK is one of their major trading partners. Also the Chinese don't want a flood of NK refugees coming across the Yalu.

US should have let McArthur invade China during Korea war when he marched through NK. No... we don't finish the job and then we have to deal with the b-s later.

of course there is the minor detail of China being a major ally of the Soviet Union at the time, and the Russians would almost certainly "let the nukes fly"...

Irans borders are far more open than North Koreas. There's no real comparison to be made between the two.

tell that to the american hikers...............yeah real open. They don't even let their own people know anything outside what the governement wants them to know.

@Living,.

The issue is fissile material. North Korea and Iran are sharing technology, but not fissile material. North Korea is giving Iran some missile technology and nuclear and chemical weapons technology and Iran is giving North Korea solid-fuel rocket and guidance systems technology along with help with submarines,

Isreali!

Living.. as crazy and naive as it sounds I truly believe we (US) know exactly what is going on and know how many nukes are out there... I do not trust politicians but I trust in our government enough to think if NK was going to in anyway cause mass devastation some soldier would be there breaking every finger that reached for a button...

I am not sure who posted it but I also agree that the only reason NK is pushing our buttons is because they don't think even if we did start a conflict with them we would never end it.. Therefore if we are there they will get all our hand outs they want because thats what we do.. We bomb / fight and spend billions rebuilding feeding and helping them...

Just like we are doing now all the places we are... Just dumb I never got in a fight with a bully then helped them clean up and take them to lunch.. You should whip a$$ and leave..

A good example we could set is finish all the crap past and present we have started by leaving a huge hole on the battle ground.. Maybe we could again as a nation be taken seriously instead of being the laughing stalk of the world.

Living in L.A.,

go read this:

Iran 2009, Strait of Hormuz

http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/03/9928679-iran-2009-to-2012-strait-of-hormuz

Do you honestly believe that it is a coincidence that I am "Middle East" (Islam) Qualified (First "Middle East" Language Farsi, 2nd College at Egypt Arabic, College at Egypt Islam), involved with the "Middle East" and many Islamic Nations since the 1980s. Recalled to Active Duty US Military from Retirement many times in Special Category. How about researching who does Special Reconnaissance (with or without wearing Uniforms). My previous background Teaching Nuclear (Weapons, CNWDI) Physics and Nuclear Physiology, with previous training and experience with Missiles (ICBMs, IRBMs, ABMs, NASA), Biological (Epidemiology) Weapons, Chemical (Weapons), USSR Order Of Battle (Strategic, Tactical, Political, Technology, C4I, Weapons Systems), Redacted/Redacted Weapons Control Orders "A" Side, as assigned to the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces and SHAPE; then switched Jobs to US Military Asymmetric Warfare, Redacted Operation Cyclone, Redacted Americas, Somalia, Sudan, Redacted, Kuwait, First Gulf War, H.R.4655 and Operation Desert Fox, Redacted, South Ossetia, Redacted, Redacted Operation Hotel California, Redacted, Training with US Ally Redacted and Redacted, Redacted and currently here at Afghanistan conducting US Military Redacted. Most of us were supposed to go back on Retirement last month.

David-DTRA?

BA-2906247,

I work for many of the US Alphabet agencies as US Military Attached or Assigned as well as US Embassies. As far as DTRA think way higher above them, the US Military, US Intelligence Agencies, US Law Enforcement, etc. (authority, responsibility, accountability, Command that really makes me want to go back on Retirement as too easy to become a scapegoat).

David: Ok, gives me a better idea. Probably worked with some of your colleges (or you) in Kurdish Iraq tracking down the HN and G-series that "didn't exist" in last half of 2003.

david, I think you forgot the highest alphabet agency you worked for and that is B.S.

BA, as I stated above those munitions did exist, however they were left over from the Iran-Iraq war, were in Kurdish controlled territory since 1991 and were degraded to a point they were no longer considered military grade. So, as far as the Iraqi government goes, they didn't exist. BTW, it's colleagues, not colleges (Universities).

BA, your claim to have worked with DTRA in late 2003 is bogus, because DTRA pulled all of its teams out in June of that year, when the 75th XTF was deactivated and the mission turned over to the ISG.

These guys weren't DTRA never really knew who they were. I was part of a military CBRN team and our liaison with them was AF OSI. DTRA did come back to that area in September 2003. Flew into Kirkuk and took control of the radiological items we had found. Mostly items for testing oil wells and radioactive material containing aircraft parts. Can provide the pictures if you wish. Pretty sure of the time frame, was promoted that week.

They have had them for a long time, and the US has known they have had them.

You do realize we've been over there since the 50s?

Thank you AG99 some ppl are going to use the ol' wheres the proof.. Well we know they have them and are building them it's not like they hide it..

This is not a new issue just a new crazy kid leader.. he needs to be eradicated..

Before he died, Sadam said he made up the fact that he had WMDs to keep Iran from invading his country. He never expected the US to invade, he said. He thought the US would do its air strikes, and that would be it. Sadam was more afraid of Iran because of what he had done to them in the war with them. If they knew he didn't have his WMD threat, Iran might have gotten their revenge by invading them. I don't understand why Iran was so pissed at us invading Iraq. Sadam's Sunni Moslems were enemies of Iran's mostly @!$%#e Moslems. I guess just the fact that the West interfere with their conflict.

Correction: Iran's mostly Shiite Moslems... I forgot an i and got censored.

Yusuf Sharif' Gordonvia Facebook

Im just waiting to see how quickly if at all America goes over there like we did Iraq an we still dont have those "weapons of Mass Destuction" that Sadam was supposed to posses... Now we actually see and know they have them so whats the holdup?

Should be Faceslap (yours) not Facebook. Go read US Law, H.R.4655, Section 2 "Findings". And if that is not good enough for you go research 2002-2003 Operation Hotel California and the Iraqis Chemical Weapons Site of Sargat.

The 2009 Iraqi CWC declaration is even more recent for their stockpile.

david, while he is "facelsapping" himself, maybe you should do it as well for posting that junk more than once.

BA, you too

more2bits, do you actually think NK would use nukes on SK? That would be a little foolish of them...don't you think? Where would the fallout go. God man...think a little bit before you spout crap!!!

Yeah right, if the North were to use nuclear weapons on the South, there would be several American armored divisions and naval fleets in the crossfire.

There would be no backing out.

Verno, you seem to have a fixation with crap.

bchapman,

no more fixation for asshat remarks by yourself and 2bits

maklepew, Go take an English lesson and then get back to me on that.

yep, that's it bchapman, deflect, deflect, deflect. And by the way I do have a fixation with crap when it is coming out of your mouth.

That will never happen! That little turd that runs NK can't be that stupid! But on the hand,they just turned down a awful lot of free food just to make a point! Maybe Berrie should offer them more food if they DO test a new nuclear bomb!That should confuse them!

bchapman,

Thanks for the recommendation, may I also suggest that you get some type of education also.... instead of making the assinine remarks you seem so fond of. Get back to me after you passed 5th grade until then let the adults have a conversation.

Verno

Where would the fallout go? You really think the N. Korean government cares? As long as the important government officials are safe, they could care less.

I do think Lil kim is smart enough to know that a war would end his regime. However, I don't think he's smart enough to know that threats and tests may also end his regime.

HEY! What's wrong w/all of you? Enough of the bitching and name calling.

You're as bad as the dumbass over there...

That's a little harsh. I think the N. Korean people would rather be called names than starve to death, eh? :)

NK cannot destroy SK without destroying themselves. They won't even get a nuke in the air before getting a heavy dose of our nukes. NK will not take that chance. They make their threats and have their nukes to keep SK from invading them. Unless provoked, their threats are meaningless. US is in SK; they cannot ignore a SK strike by NK.

North Korea needs a good strong leader to show them the way. Maybe we can send them one after the elections this year............He would fit right in with their way of thinking.

NK will destroy SK within 5 years. Totally. Unconditionally.

And watch the USA turn tail and run.

ummm, no.

SK has far better weaponry than NK does, they would be hurt, very badly hurt, no doubt about it and they know it.

but they would most definitely come out on top of any engagement with the North regardless of whether or not we supported them.

It's not going to happen unless they mess with one of our allies. Iraq messed with Kuwait and Israel and kept threating their own people. Afganistan was harboring the madman who ordered the 9-11 attacks, so that interfered with our country's interests. The only reason NK is on our radar is we are allies with SK in the war with NK.

Well, at least we have hard evidence and precedence this time.

macgruber ###### "evidence" please go look up the term before using that word in relation to what this article says about nuclear weapons and NK..... maybe, might, couple of dozen, some researchers, the ISSI, could possibly are not evidence......that my friend is BS you can look that term up too.

It's known they have at least 10 nukes, but it is unknown if all of them are active nukes. This story says that they might have a few dozen nukes. That is higher than originally thought.

John ##### who knows it? how do they know? did someone do a stock take? is it 10, 12 a couple of dozen? where is the proof the evidence ?????? when do you think the US and the rest of the intelligent world will have spent enough of it's resources battling these phantom sabers which are being rattled by countries that can't feed, cloth or house themselves?????????

Thanks to dupes like you and macgruber the Military Industrial Complex continues to profit just by getting the media to put up an article like this, then it's..... oh here take more of my money build a bigger gun, go attack somebody, wipe out a bunch of innocent women and children.....they are just gooks anyway FOOLS.

A Yank in Australia,

Pull that Aussie wanger out of your broke back.

The same way that the US knew during the 1970s that the Israelis had Nuclear Weapons eventhough the Israelis Nuclear Facility was underground. The US knew the Israelis had Nuclear Weapons just not how many.

A Yank in Australia: Believe it or not there are people who's job it is to keep track of these things. From the number of U-235 enrichment centrifuges and the time they have been active you can calculate the amount of weapons grade material they have produced. Then knowing the design of their nuclear weapons, which they received from Pakistan, you know how much nuclear material each weapon needs. Then it's simple division to get the number of warheads they can have.

I don't resort to name calling but think before you post. Insulting others in a comments section is not only childish and it proves you can't discuss things rationally. Anyone who attacks another person rather than their comments is an uneducated simpleton.

So BA###### if there are people whose job (presumably they get paid) it is to know these things how come the best they can come up with is "maybe a couple of dozen"? Are they the same people who told the world there were WMD's in Iraq that were an immediate threat to humanity? If I came up with research and answers like that in my job I would quickly be out of a job.

You know there are also people paid to spread propaganda to scare people in to a state where they think it is a good idea to spend trillions and trillions of dollars (your dollars mind you) to "protect" us from the threats that have been invented or exageratted by the very people who are going to protect you from them. In the real world we call that a protection racket, and people go to jail for extortion that operate protection rackets.

Now you could take up David######s line who contends that if we do not fund the OFFENSIVE INDUSTRY then the US unemployment figures will double or triple ..... the problem is for that to continue someone needs to use that military equipment, so we need to promote fear and threats to our safety and freedom so that people will accept using the existing military equipment, so to keep employment up, we can maufacture new military equipment.So in that scenario the US economy is based on the killing of not only a couple of towel heads on horseback but lots of innocent women and children, our own military personel, the destruction of the environment and in the end we will have to start killing our friends as well just so we can maintain employment. Surely we are better than that, but the research tends to indicate otherwise.

Name calling ..... how 'bout stupid is as stupid does.

You really think the Chinese and the Russians are going to be happy to let NK (who can even launch a missile successfully) play with nuclear weapons in their back yard????????

Damn, am I glad you are in Australia!!! Too bad your silly goobidy gook did not stay with you - waste of electrons.

Don't forget Pakistan. One big hot spot

Out of curiosity, how much does a nuclear blast contribute to or advance global warming? Or does it all? Does anyone know?

normal: They do talk about a nuclear winter so I'm guessing they have a cooling effect. Lots of vaporized sediment thrown up into the atmosphere. No idea how many bombs of what yield you'd need to have a noticeable effect.

www.cooperativeindividualism.org/sagan_nuclear_winter.htmlCached - Similar

Where was global warming mentioned? I missed that in the article.

And if India gets into the mix. It'll be a chain reaction. Once one starts nuke bombing the others well follow.

Obliterate without hesitation

You might not realize how much firepower the US has stationed in South Korea firmly aimed at the North. If the North were to detonate a nuclear weapon of any size in the South, the North would be reduced to ash in a matter of 15 minutes.

Look mess with Texas... Messing with North Korea is a sticky situation. For one China will have something to say about it and you can bet Russia will get involved as well. On a side note China holds most of the U.S. debt. If the U.S. gets in a major pissing contest with North Korea... China would cash that debt in which will make the all mighty dollar worthless and crush our economy completely!!!

Plus you're also failing to see that we are dealing with Asians not a bunch of rag heads who hide in caves. The have pleanty of honor and pride for their country. THE WILL FIGHT TILL THE END! This won't be a carpet bomb the piss out of them then take over... Maybe you need a little history lession. U.S. got their asses handed to them in Vietnam, was bounced once in Korea and if we didn't drop the two bombs in Japan.... That would have been a mess.

What needs to be done is stop all aid to NK and have a sit down with China and say... Their your problem now! It's about time this country takes a step back from other countries problems and let those countries sort their own problems out!

Last time I checked, Obama had ceased all U.S. aide to N. Korea for their recent missile test. The only one I can think of now that would support them food wise is China.

Which is why I think China isn't willing to lose it's economic powers over a war against it's biggest customer. I think China will continue to support N. Korea for as long as they're there, but I don't think they'd miss them if the South and U.S. invaded. In fact, they might be willing to tolerate U.S. troops so close to it's border so long as 500 odd Walmarts were opened there.

But that's just the way I'm looking at it. China is on top of the world right now and I don't think they're willing to risk that. Every 3rd world country is a potential gold mine to them.

Couldn't had said it any better.... And to add to that, don't think for one minute that we don't have intelligence right there watching every move they make ... We would finish it before it got started... We has a Nation can't act on every little thing... But this isn't Little! And We would act fast if need be.. God Bless our Military.. Peace out and be ready for anything as this world is unstable..

It's unsure if NK can even detonate a nuke in SK without it being shot down with anti-missile defense we have in SK.

Song HJ,

First as John-1779666 mentioned the US will shoot the North Korean Missile down with (hopefully) THAADS. With all the North Korean missile and nuclear warhead debris falling on South Korea.

Second the US Politicians will talk the North Koreans to death (LOL).

macgruber-3736506 - You might not realize how much firepower the US has stationed in South Korea firmly aimed at the North.

Nice try, go research President Obama's current RIF (Reduction In Forces) of the US Military. At one time the US Military did have a Tactical Nuclear Deterence (US Nuclear STRAC QRA Sites) at South Korea; but, those are long gone along with the US W33, W48, and replacements Redacted, Redacted removed by 1991.

Go eat some Kagogi and call me in the morning (arf arf woof woof).

John-1779666,

I know I should not mention this as not to scare the sheep.

Unclassified. It is known that the North Koreans will use Tactical Nuclear Weapons fired from North Korean Artillery. The North Korean Artillery that is in fortified steel reinforced concrete under mountains.

david, it is funny how you put the words "unclassified" and "redacted" into your posts to make you sound like you have experience. If you are as experienced and have access to as much as you say you have, then you know for how long we have suspected North Korea has had nuclear weapons, and I am talking the "classified" dates.

david...how do you know this?

david...how do you know this?

well, he familiar enough with Korea to be able to reference Kagogi.

I wonder if has he tried Bundiggee? (I did, two in fact, the second just to be sure the first one wasn't just a really bad one... it wasn't, they all taste like that)

Encourage them to be nice, play nice, and send more food so national food money can be spent on a nuke program.

The US is already in three of its own choosing.

I agree.

If North Korea detonates a nuclear weapon in South Korea or Japan in the coming months, the US should immediately obliterate Pyongyang (the capital) and every other major city in that country. The idea of "consulting with allies and the UN" in order to "pressure" North Korea into "not doing it again" would be a joke. Frighteningly, that is exactly the kind of political theater response the Obama administration might take.

There are always, including at this very moment, American nuclear submarines on patrol in the Pacific, equipped with ICBM's that could be launched on a few hours notice by the President. He should so retaliate without hesitation. The American people would fully support him if he did. The loss of human life would be appalling but it would prevent an even greater future calamity for humanity if the North Korean nation were allowed to continue to exist after it first attacked South Korea and/or Japan with its nuclear weapons.

A measured, proportional response in kind would be the logical next step after a NK-initiated nuclear attack. If they manage to pull it off, we can't just nuke every major city there, lest we wish to bring China into the conflict.

There are also humanitarian concerns. Not everyone there believes the crap spewing from Pyongyang. Many of those who do have been indoctrinated to believe that from birth.

This "wipe 'em out" attitude would serve no end other than to spread high-altitude radioactive fallout across the entire northern hemisphere, kill millions of innocent people and destroy our world standing [even more].

((In fact, since North Korea's language is irreconcilable, I STRONGLY recommend that South Korea go to preemptive attack ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)) - RC

Easy to say since you don't live there and Americans arrogantly export their gov't violence to other's countries.

You mean the same Bill Clinton that ignored the intelligence about the 9/11 attacks, that guy?

I'm glad you mentioned that, Villum...

If it wasn't for Clinton, and assuming no President after him "shared" information, all those people over in that area of the world would still be decades behind us in launch technology.

Naw, he means the Bill Clinton who had negotiated a deal for Japan to build two powerplants to be run on US-supplied fuel in return form dismantling their nuclear powerplant and turning over all their fissil material. They had even agreed on an amount of fissile material. But W reneged on the deal and the North Koreans who had already shut doen their plant and were dismantling it, started it back up again.

He was talking about the Bill Clinton who caught and tried the first World Trade Center bombers. And the Bill Clinton who twice launched missiles against Osama bin Laden. One case would have been a miss -- bin Laden was not actually there, but at the other location, a training camp, bin Laden had only left a few minuted before the Tomahawks hit --- after a 28-hour delay as the order went through the militaty chains of command.

That was the pissed off Bill Clinton who streamlined the system so that W could do the same thing in about 20 minutes.

And Clinton didn't ignore the WTC bombers --- he promptly had them caught and tried and they are still in jail. 9/11 happened under W and it was he who ignored several CIA briefings on al Quaeda goals in the US.

Chris - from a Tme piece in June of 2008

Gary Samore of the Council on Foreign Relations, who negotiated the agreed framework in 1994 for President Clinton, says the new North Korean deal gets more than what he got on Yongbyon. "The Bush Administration has achieved an additional measure beyond what the Clinton Administration achieved in terms of Yongbyon ... a very, very substantial disablement which would make it difficult and time-consuming for the North Koreans to resume production." Says his Council colleague Charles Ferguson, "The Bush Administration has achieved more than the Clinton Administration in terms of really doing a substantial amount of disablement of that facility."

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Abbie...

"The Bush Administration has achieved an additional measure beyond what the Clinton Administration achieved in terms of Yongbyon ... a very, very substantial disablement which would make it difficult and time-consuming for the North Koreans to resume production."

I guess he didn't make it to hard.. He has only been out of office 3 years.....

Good job White House!!

What else can you ignore? Oh yeah, Iran to mention one...but, good job!!

Yeah Juan we don't finish to many fights.. Our leaders are too busy fighting with each other over who pays what taxes.

I think the only thing they are working together on ending, is our middle class.. and you can put fair blame to both parties for that..

We didn't finish the job back then because we couldn't finish the job back then. We got our asses kicked over the Moon, and we left howling with our tail between our legs. Same goes for Vietnam. Meanwhile, Afghanistan and Iraq are a total fiasco, and these wars have bankrupted our nation. There is more to winning a war than winning a military victory, you know-- and even then, how we define a military "victory" is not clear, cut, and dry anymore. Maybe we ought to quit playing war games overseas and learn to stay the hell out of other nations' affairs for once. But as the saying goes, "Pride goeth before a fall, and haughtiness before destruction."