A crime by the highway: Poisoning trees to make billboards easier to see

By Myron Levin, Lilly Fowler and Stuart Silverstein
FairWarning.org

Tallahassee Democrat

Robert Barnhart, right, and his wife, Kimberly. Barnhart claims he was fired by Lamar Advertising in August 2011 when he refused to continue poisoning trees that blocked the view of Lamar billboards. He has been granted immunity in a criminal investigation, and has sued over loss of his job.

Robert J. Barnhart was a crew chief for a billboard company, and a soldier in a war on trees.

Trees were the enemy if they spoiled the view of a billboard. On days of an attack, Barnhart, 27, would arrive by dawn at Lamar Advertising Co. in Tallahassee, Fla. After removing the magnetic Lamar logo from a company truck, he would set forth with a machete, a hospital mask and a container of what he described as a "pretty gnarly" herbicide.

It was all about being fast: Hack into the roots or base of the tree, douse the wound with herbicide, and get out of there. The Lamar executive who gave the orders, said Barnhart, called it "a hit and run."


Barnhart’s account, detailed in court papers and in statements to investigators, is the focus of a criminal investigation. It also is the basis for a whistleblower suit in which Barnhart, who through his lawyer declined to be interviewed, maintains that he was fired because he would not keep poisoning trees. His claims are supported by sworn testimony from Barnhart’s former supervisor, Chris Oaks, who admitted that he, too, had illegally poisoned trees before Barnhart took over in 2009 as poisoner-in-chief.

As long as there have been billboards, trees have been getting in the way. And billboard companies have been removing them — sometimes legally, sometimes not. News archives are replete with accounts of mysterious tree disappearances near billboard sites. Usually, no one gets caught, due to lack of evidence or to officials failing to aggressively pursue those responsible.

North Carolina Department of Transportation

Poisoned trees near a billboard for a topless dance joint in North Carolina in 2006.

Fewer trees means more viewing time for motorists, and more money for billboard operators. A 500- foot clearance in front of a sign creates more than five seconds of viewing time for a motorist going 60 mph.

It’s uncertain if the Tallahassee tree-poisonings were isolated, or reflect a pattern at Lamar. The Baton Rouge, La., company has nearly 150,000 billboards, more than any other U.S. outdoor advertising firm.

Barnhart and Oaks said they acted under orders from Lamar’s former regional manager, Myron A. "Chip" LaBorde, who ran company operations in Florida and Georgia and was past president of the Florida Outdoor Advertising Association LaBorde died of pancreatic cancer last summer.

Hal Kilshaw, a Lamar vice president and chief spokesman, declined to discuss the criminal investigation, but said "cutting of trees or poisoning of trees without the required permits would be contrary to company policy."

Charges in the tree-poisoning case could be filed soon. Meanwhile, another tree-killing binge in the Florida panhandle has also drawn attention. In that episode, billboard operator Bill Salter Outdoor Advertising cleared more than 2,000 trees from public rights of way to enhance views of its signs.

Florida transportation officials acted "in flagrant violation of the law" in issuing permits for the cutting, a grand jury found in January, because, among other things, they did not require Salter to compensate the state for the loss of the trees, valued at $1 million to $4 million. The permits were issued to Salter after a state legislator, Greg Evers, intervened by making calls to the state Department of Transportation. The agency is currently negotiating with Salter for repayment.

Tree pruning also happens routinely, and legally, by arrangement between billboard operators and private landowners. The industry has lobbied for state laws to allow tree-cutting along public highways under certain conditions. According to the Outdoor Advertising Assn. of America, the industry trade group, 29 states, including Florida, have "reasonable" regulations on clearing vegetation that blocks views of signs. The group says on its website: "The OAAA discourages vegetation control that is not in compliance with state and local laws and regulations."

However, environmental groups have criticized these laws, asking why publicly owned trees that provide beauty and shade should be removed to accommodate advertising signs. Though billboard companies pay for the cutting, critics say permit fees and compensation for destroyed trees do not meet the real cost to taxpayers. Moreover, they note, in states that permit vegetation removal, illegal cutting still takes place.

Lamar’s Kilshaw said his company’s record is good. "We have over 150 offices, we have thousands of employees, we’ve been in business over 100 years," he said. The record shows Lamar is "doing the right thing almost all the time, almost everywhere."

'An honest, legitimate mistake'
In 2008, Lamar was sued by the state of Connecticut after the company and a tree service trespassed on state land and removed 83 trees along Interstate 84, including oak, spruce, maple and birch trees up to 37 inches in diameter. They "swept a swath of destruction," said then-Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, "obliterating a vital environmental buffer protecting homeowners from noxious noise and views."

The problem was that Lamar had a permit to trim — not cut down — trees. It also felled trees outside the permitted area.

Florida Office of Agricultural Law Enforcement

An oak tree in Florida allegedly poisoned by Robert Barnhart. The tree "had signs of dying and chop marks near the base," said the report by Florida investigators.

It was "an honest, legitimate mistake," Kilshaw said, adding that a state transportation official had observed the work without raising objections. But a judge found Lamar liable in October, 2010. In lieu of paying damages, Lamar agreed to fund a replanting program for an estimated $181,000.

In 2009, Lamar was forced to pay about $182,000 to an irate Ohio couple for illegally felling 34 trees on their property to improve views of a sign.

The dispute began in the late 1990s when, according to John Blust, he and his wife rebuffed Lamar’s offer to plant a sign on land they owned in the Dayton suburb of Beavercreek.

A neighbor proved more obliging, and the billboard went up there. But it turned out that the Blusts’ trees were in the way. They lived a few miles from the property, and did not learn of the destruction of their woodland until alerted by a cousin.

Blust told FairWarning that he sought compensation, and "If they had sent me $3,000, it would have been all over." But a Lamar executive "laughed at me over the phone from Baton Rouge, Louisiana," said Blust, who then decided to sue.

A jury awarded the Blusts more than $2.2 million in punitive damages. Appeals dragged the marathon case into 2009, when an appeals court ruling led to Lamar paying damages and attorney fees.

"In that case, our contractor made a mistake," Kilshaw said, "and simply went across a property line, and we ultimately paid on that."

For his part, Blust, 76, said he was "satisfied that I caused them pain. Did we make a lasting impression on the management of Lamar? If they’re still cutting down trees, I guess we didn’t."

What is unusual about these episodes is that someone got caught. More often, over the years, the culprits remained unknown or were not aggressively pursued by authorities.

For example, a 1985 report by the General Accounting Office cited dozens of incidents in Georgia of illegal tree cutters acting with impunity, including a case in which about 500 trees were poisoned near three signs along interstate highways.

In Louisiana, said the GAO, "over 2,000 feet of vegetation and trees were cut and cleared to enhance the visibility of two signs. We counted over 900 stumps from destroyed trees at this site."

In a 1996 deposition, a former billboard company tree trimmer testified that he had cut down and poisoned trees in the Los Angeles area for many years, usually without the owners’ consent. The former employee, Fred Jackson, worked until the late 1980s for two large billboard companies, Foster & Kleiser and Patrick Media, that eventually merged and were absorbed by Clear Channel Outdoor.

Jackson said he occasionally was confronted about what he was doing, and would make up a lie. It might be "‘I’m working for the Edison Company,’" Jackson testified. "That was a great one."

More recently, illegal tree clearing near billboards and "supergraphics’’ — giant ads draped on buildings — has been a problem in Southern California, said Dan Freeman, an official with the state Department of Transportation, or Caltrans.

"The billboard industry — well, my impression of them is they’re kind of lawless," said Freeman, Caltrans’ deputy director of maintenance for Los Angeles and Ventura counties. "They pretty much do whatever they want."

"We’ve been victim a number of times to people who come in the middle of the night, with a chainsaw, and just kind of clear cut the area immediately in front of one of these supergraphics or a large billboard," Freeman told FairWarning.

"And, of course, we call them," Freeman said, referring to the sign company, "and they say, ‘We have no idea who could have done it. My, what a terrible thing.’ They don’t own up to it. We have had a very, very difficult time in getting traction on prosecuting them."

The right to be seen
Billboard companies have sometimes claimed an inherent right to have unimpaired views of their signs. If revenues go down because of public trees, they have argued, public agencies should pay damages. This has been a hard sell.

For example, a Tennessee appeals court rejected an industry lawsuit against the state department of transportation over its failure to maintain unrestricted views of roadside signs.

"It is true that wild vegetation, as well as that planted by the State, has and will have a normal tendency to grow taller," said the 1979 ruling. "Plaintiffs seem to insist that the licensing of a billboard confers some special right of visibility or imposes some special duty upon the State to maintain visibility of the licensed billboard. No authority has been cited or found to sustain this novel theory."

In 2006, the California Supreme Court rejected claims of billboard operator Regency Outdoor, which had sued the city of Los Angeles, claiming it lowered the value of its signs by planting palm trees for a beautification project.

"The right to be seen from a public way…simply does not exist," the Supreme Court ruled. "Regency cannot claim unfair surprise from the plantings. Local governments have long planted trees along roads for aesthetic reasons, to lessen the burdens of climate, and for other salubrious purposes."

So the industry has turned to state legislatures to establish the right to be seen. Under laws or regulations of most states, billboard operators can legally cut back trees and other vegetation along state and federal highways. Typically, they must pay for a permit, file a work plan, and either replant or pay for lost trees.

The Outdoor Advertising Assn. of America failed to respond to interview requests, but in an email described vegetation control as "a common, longstanding practice along roadways for the sake of safety and visibility."

Once state rules are in place, billboard companies often lobby state legislatures to relax restrictions and expand the freedom to cut. In the past year, for example, the industry pushed through such changes in Georgia, North Carolina and Wisconsin.

In Georgia billboard companies won more freedom to clear trees, though the new law is tied up in a court challenge. The industry’s legislative success followed years of cultivating lawmakers. From 2001 through 2010, billboard owners and the Outdoor Advertising Association of Georgia contributed at least $467,522 to candidates for state office, according to a report by the advocacy group Scenic Georgia.

The Outdoor Advertising Association also did some wining and dining, last year hosting 34 Georgia legislators and two board members of the state Department of Transportation at a golf outing at the Reynolds Plantation resort, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

A Georgia Department of Transportation spokeswoman said that in the past five years, the agency has completed investigations into 20 complaints of illegal tree cutting, and collected about $203,000 in compensation.

In North Carolina, the industry-backed law passed last July expanded the cutting area to up to 380 feet on each side of billboards — up from 250 feet before. This translates into extra viewing time of 1.5 seconds for motorists approaching billboards at 60 mph. State transportation officials estimated that up to 200,000 trees could be removed in the next five years as a result.

From 2005 through June, 2011, billboard interests donated at least $206,000 to state legislative and gubernatorial candidates in North Carolina, according to a report by the nonprofit group Democracy North Carolina, and research by FairWarning.

"They’ve got a lot of money, and it’s amazing how cheaply legislators can be bought," said North Carolina resident Charles Floyd, a retired University of Georgia business professor who has written extensively about the billboard industry and is critical of the new law.

Even in states such as North Carolina that provide a legal means to enhance billboard views, incidents of illegal cutting and poisoning still occur. In some respects, loosening restrictions is the path of least resistance, reducing the number of violations and need for enforcement.

"If you legalize vandalism,’’ Floyd complained, "that helps out a lot.’’

Since July, 2006, the North Carolina Department of Transportation recorded 88 incidents of illegal tree removal near billboards, according to agency data reviewed by FairWarning.

The cost to the state was $923,000 under a formula based on the size of lost trees. Of that amount, records show, the state was able to collect only about $39,000. Without admitting liability, Lamar paid $18,487.50 to settle one of the cases.

Criminal probe in Florida
Soon after Barnhart filed his whistleblower suit, he led state agriculture officials to an oak tree he claimed he had poisoned next to a CVS pharmacy in Tallahassee. When the lab results came back in October, they revealed a herbicide, Triclopyr, in soil and vegetation samples.

Florida Department of Transportation

The stump of one of more than 2,000 trees allegedly cut by a billboard company in northern Florida. According to a grand jury report, state officials issued permits to cut the trees "'in flagrant violation of the law."

He told officials it was one of seven to 10 trees he had illegally poisoned since 2009. Sometimes, he said, he used a machete before pouring in the poison, other times drilled holes in a tree, and on still other occasions he simply cut them.

Barnhart has been granted immunity by the state attorney in Tallahassee. Asked to comment on the criminal probe, State Attorney William Meggs said his office is continuing to gather information.

In a deposition taken in the whistleblower case, Chris Oaks, Barnhart’s supervisor, confirmed Barnhart’s account. Oaks admitted to poisoning trees himself under orders from his boss, LaBorde.

Oaks, 35, claimed he initially balked, saying he thought Lamar must first get permits.

"And he told me, he said to just jump over the fence and do what needs to be done and kick a little dirt over it," Oaks testified, referring to LaBorde, "and if you don’t know how to do that, I’ll take out my gun and I’ll shoot you in the head."

Oaks said he figured LaBorde was joking. But "I felt then that I needed to do what the man was telling me for fear — not for death, I didn’t really think he would kill me, but I did feel like it was threatening to my job," Oaks said.

"I just want to get it clear that none of this was me," Oaks said. "I did not want to do any of this."

Barnhart said fear of getting caught on a surveillance camera and, according to his lawyer, pressure from his wife led him to come forward. Barnhart said that after suffering a back injury and going on light duty, he told managers that he would no longer poison trees when he came back. In August, he says, he was fired.

Lamar contends it never fired Barnhart. The company’s response is less clear cut on the other alleged violations, such as criminal mischief and illegal handling of poisons.

"Any act or omission by Lamar was done in good faith," the company said in court papers. "To the extent that the actions of any Lamar employee were, in fact, in violation…, those actions directly violated Lamar’s corporate policies and procedures and were, thus, beyond the course and scope of their employment."

FairWarning is a nonprofit, online investigative news organization focused on public health and safety issues.

Support for this story came from the Fund for Investigative Journalism.

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monkeywrench gang?

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Reply#55 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

mark, read some Edward Abbey!!

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#55.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:15 AM EDT
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Hal Kilshaw, a Lamar vice president and chief spokesman, declined to discuss the criminal investigation, but said "cutting of trees or poisoning of trees without the required permits would be contrary to company policy."

Contrary to company policy but not contrary to the company bottom line.

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Reply#56 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:47 AM EDT

Kinda sounds like the company is trying to make their employee into a patsy. Or shall I say FORMER EMPLOYEE?

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#56.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:53 AM EDT
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simple cure a fine of $1,000,000 per tree poisoned & removal of all billboards owned by that companyalong 200 miles of highway per tree that was poioned or cut down or damaged in the area surrounding their billbaord

if a tree was to be cut down for viewing reasons with proper permits then make the company beautify around the sign, ( plant evergreen trees, plants & flowers ) so as to add to the scenery and make it more pleasent to view . most ot these billboards look like crap, and the mess around them makes an eyesore. how dumb not to make it look really nice, so people look at it and say, wow! did you see that, or wow! wasn't that a nice setting ! boy that company really want you to look at their product s . or a company who see what a billboard company was doing and said I have to get them to do my advertising

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Reply#57 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:52 AM EDT
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Interesting some would be more outraged over killing trees than babies

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Reply#58 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:57 AM EDT

oh please.

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#58.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:05 PM EDT
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Along with other commenters here, I also have never purchased something after seeing it posted on a billboard. I have, however, enjoyed the beauty of trees covered in a light snow, or in full spring bloom or changing leaves. Trees also don't distract my driving, or bombard me with bright flashing messages. For every tree they have poisoned and/or chopped down, they should have to pay to plant a new one.

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Reply#59 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:59 AM EDT

@ClownsWillKillYou

Then start killing yourself, clown! Do you have any idea how important trees are to us? I see ignorance is still bliss!

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Reply#60 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:00 AM EDT

When Michelle Bachmann had someone read this article to her she was outraged. Her and her husband, Bendover Bachmann, stated that they wished those responsible had "prayed the trees away" instead of using this destructive method. Bachmann then stated she would seek reimbursement from Medicaid for the removal therapy sessions.

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Reply#61 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:01 AM EDT

Outside advertisers committing these types of acts encourage those offended to start taking out digital billboards with shotgun blasts.

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Reply#62 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:03 AM EDT

Trees suck, cutr them all down. All trees do is breath the vary air i do what a waste

    Reply#63 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:03 AM EDT

    You are reallly ignorant if you believe this.

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    #63.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

    Obviously educated by a government school!

      #63.2 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

      DF: In reality , trees inhale your waste (CO2) and exhale oxygen, which apparently your brain has been starved of and has led in irreparable damage.

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      #63.3 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:18 AM EDT
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      I think I'd look the other way if I saw someone defacing or destroying a billboard, now.

      Live by the sword, die by the sword.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#64 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:04 AM EDT

      i just pruchased 300 acres of land and i had the pleasure of killing and removing all the trees from MY property.

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      Reply#65 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

      What an incredibly odd reply to this article . . . while it is your land to do with as you wish (within some reason, I would hope . . . I would hope to god you didn't have the right to spray the entire area with poison or toxic waste) . . . I don't understand why you would have actual pleasure in killing all the trees from your property.

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      #65.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

      Except you don't really "own" that land. You've only borrowed it. And you'll ahve to answer to the younger generation for everything you've done to screw them over. This whole idea that you can really "own" land is at the root of so many of our modern day problems.

        #65.2 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

        May the wrath of fracking Treebeard be upon you.

          #65.3 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:45 PM EDT
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          I think this guy is going to have a tough time trying to win his lawsuit, about losing his job, seeing as his job was an illegal activity!

          That's like a drug dealer suing the drug supplier who fired him.

            Reply#66 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:07 AM EDT

            This is just as abusive as wall streeters and bankers knowing full well they were deceiving investors and new homeowners. They are criminals and whatever "it was just and honest mistake" attitude and comment is what a criminal would make. The company needs to have criminal charges made against them, killling trees, bribing just for a buck. They need to be told they want billboards up then they have to be respectful to the environment. There billboards and infact I consider them an eyesoar and they shouldn't even be allowed. Have a law to not have billboards and I'll bet their attitude will change.

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            Reply#67 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

            Billboards are a blight on the environment and of very doubtful effectiveness as advertising if they also come with all this negative press coverage. "Billboards" = The Rush Limbaugh of outdoor advertising.

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            Reply#68 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:09 AM EDT

            Well let's see, spraypaint Lamar's signs, key their cars, cut electricity to their signs, find where they live and dump herbicides on their landscape ..................this has possibilities.

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            Reply#69 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

            I think this is really whats wrong with America! people jealous about other people making money! if a tree blocks the read of a sign it makes it hard to rent if its hard to rent it has a trickle down effect the company suffers the landowner that leases the land suffers (because he cant get the maximum for the lease) and the employee suffers, we are talking trees ! we are a capitalistic country and until that changes tree cutting for profit should be allowed! Should Snail darters stop a million dollar construction project? should an Owl having chicks stop a lumber company from cutting trees? If this young man did not want to cut trees for Lamar Outdoor he should have got a job somewhere else!

              Reply#70 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

              As I understand it, snail darters weren't an actual real attempt at protecting the environment. It was a costly and useless project that would have been a waste of money and the environmental issue was just a convenient legal tactic used to cancel a "bridge to knowhere project".

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              #70.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:25 AM EDT

              Skiboblee - You are the problem with America. Maximize profits at all costs. Sorry, but it's people like you that have caused the economic disaster in America. If you can make money from it, it is good. Wrong.

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              #70.2 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:34 AM EDT

              Part of the problem is that the company wasn't cutting trees on land they leased, but on land other people who hadn't made deals with them owned.

              They trespassed onto property they had no right to be on, cut trees, and while it may have improved the value of the sign and the amount the person they leased from got, the people who owned the land they cut trees on ( nearby property owners) didn't get anything except dead trees on their land

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              #70.3 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:48 AM EDT
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              With all the talk of "DISTRACTED DRIVING" you would think billboards would be outlawed.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#71 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:11 AM EDT

              They were, back during Lyndon Johnson's administration. But the corporations found a loophole for signs on private property.

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              #71.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:16 AM EDT
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              So, if trees interfere with profits, destroy them. Is this the kind of thinking we want to encourage? After all, like trees, we're living things too.

              Did you notice? If the environment interferes with profits, it's war. Yet extinctions are the result of changes in the environment. Every one, no exceptions. Humans have no special pleading. Attacks on the envrionment threaten us with extinction, & should be treated as crimes against humanity.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#72 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:11 AM EDT

              The damage is done. If I see it on a billboard, I am not buying it.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#73 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

              Billboards are eyesores.....killing trees that provide oxygen and habitat to make them viewable makes it so much worse.

              BOYCOTT ALL GOODS ADVERTISED ON BILLBOARDS!!!!!

              • 3 votes
              Reply#74 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

              Careful Not,

              Someone might chop a hole in your roots & pour herbicide into it.

                #74.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:18 AM EDT

                Uh, from the sounds of it, you've been holding your breath for too long.

                • 1 vote
                #74.2 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

                The 2000 year old story of Jesus & the money changers is still with us. The moral is - get between a rich person & his profits, & he'll crucify you.

                • 1 vote
                #74.3 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

                Let the advertising companies know you won't buy their products because they use billboards.Make them realize they're just wasting their money, & driving away potential customers to boot.

                  #74.4 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:44 PM EDT
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                  I was in the sign industry for 20+ years, got my start in the billboard industry. My company and crew were the minions of Lamar, Nelson, and other billboard companies in the Midwest. If you think this behavior is unusual or new, you would be mistaken. It's a con game to get the ground leases, and another to get the billboard up. You work through the weekend so that local officials can't get the paperwork to stop you, then last thing cut the trees down in the middle of the night, pack up your crew and leave.
                  I was very young then, the money was good and the challenge was fun, but I got out of it as soon as possible because it was crooked as hell.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#75 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

                  ALL billboards need to go away: ugly montrosities no longer needed in the 21st century.

                  Kind of like corporate executives.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#76 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:20 AM EDT

                  I don't see a problem in cutting trees to keep your business going. Power companies, Communication companies, Public Sanitation businesses, all have to trim, prune, cut, bulldoze and remove. An advertising company has a business. It has a right to stay in business, to advertise. Legally. I have hard time swallowing poison to tree vegitation. It seems like overkill. They take some home and knock off/whack the neighbors. I have noticed an awful lot of dead trees, just standing there, they looked like awesome dead cadavors of mighty healthy trees. All you hear is oh that is the blight. Where does it end.

                    Reply#77 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

                    Power, communications, & santitation businesses provide goods & services to the benefit of the public. Advertisers engage in brain washiing & mind control, & I don't see that benefitting the public.

                    • 2 votes
                    #77.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:27 AM EDT

                    It has a right to stay in business, to advertise.

                    Which says nothing about what they are doing. This is the same argument pro-choice uses with supposed "rights." Basically, you are saying they have the right to do ____— because they have the right to stay in business. They neither own the trees, nor the land they are sitting on.

                    • 1 vote
                    #77.2 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:36 AM EDT

                    Business is one thing. Cutting down/poisoning trees on other peoples' land is stealing, or at least vandalism.

                      #77.3 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:47 PM EDT
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                      Ah, yes...another example of the Republican mantra, "Screw the environment and let's put profit first."

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#78 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

                      Ah yes, another example of the democrats mantra. "Blame everything on someone else"

                      • 3 votes
                      #78.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:23 AM EDT

                      Prove your assertion....! OH you can't because all it is, is Rhetoric that you have been fed by the media....

                      • 1 vote
                      #78.2 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

                      Obama is the leader of this country now, Gerry - unless your saying Obama is Republican!

                      And, no, I'm not a Rep; I'm an Independent who's tired of Dem rants and blame games.

                      • 3 votes
                      #78.3 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:31 AM EDT

                      Gerry Daley: Sorry, but I'm a Conservative and I think Billboard along road ways should be outlawed. Why Drivers should be watching the road, not reading a billboard. Plus just like we on the right say all the time Illegal is Illegal. Illegally killing trees or illegally cutting down trees are just that Illegal. So you will not find one person on the right who would say this is OK.

                      • 2 votes
                      #78.4 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

                      Ahh yes, typical LIBERAL mantra. Let's kill babies before they even have a chance to be born, but save the precious trees. Let's kill babies (abortion) but save all the animals. You libs are very weird creatures

                      • 1 vote
                      #78.5 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:20 PM EDT

                      Bringit,

                      Wonder what their stance is on saplings.

                        #78.6 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:07 PM EDT

                        Adult trees consume more CO2 and generate more oxygen than
                        saplings and are therefore more valuable to the environment. If a dependent sapling
                        is hindering or threatening the growth of an adult tree and cannot be supported,
                        it should be removed after careful consideration for the lives of both.

                        But I guess that choice would be up to the person who owns
                        the land.

                          #78.7 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:37 PM EDT
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                          Fact: Most bill board companies are owned by democrats. Hey it's on the internet it must be true right? Check it out. Most of you people are pathetic.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#79 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:22 AM EDT
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