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ISLAMABAD , Pakistan – One of the 17 letters seized during the 2011 U.S. raid on Osama bin Laden's Abbottabad compound and published Thursday reveals the lengths the al-Qaida chief went to keep himself and his family hidden and sheds light on how they apparently managed to remain undetected for so long while moving around Pakistan.
The letter from bin Laden to “Sheik Mahmud” was part of a cache of documents translated and released by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point. A senior U.S. official told NBC News that "Sheik Mahmud" was actually Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, essentially bin Laden's chief of staff until he was killed in August 2011 by a CIA drone strike.
The letter is not dated, but analysts believe it was written between July 4 and Oct. 20, 2010. During that time, bin Laden would have been living in the Abbottabad compound where he was later killed, along with two of his wives -- Siham, a Saudi national, and Amal, of Yemeni origin -- as well as several children and grandchildren. His second wife, Khairiah -- also from Saudi Arabia -- had been under house arrest in Iran, along with other members of the bin Laden family, and was being released.
In the letter, among several other topics, bin Laden issued detailed and complicated instructions as to how his wife -- referred to "Um Hamzah," or "mother of Hamzah" -- was to be moved to Pakistan and eventually reunited with him, if possible. Bin Laden showed a keen awareness of and great concern for the myriad ways in which she could be followed or tracked by intelligence elements and thus expose his location or those of other operatives.
Once inside Pakistan, the letter said, she was to be taken "to the tunnel between Kuhat and Peshawar," where she should meet an al-Qaida contact and switch vehicles. "The meeting will be precise in timing and it will be inside the tunnel, and they will change cars inside the tunnel," he wrote, later explaining that moving through the tunnel was key to "avoiding surveillance."
From there, he instructed the first car to "drive to an area that is unsuspected," while his wife in the second car would "go to Peshawar, go to one of the closed markets, and change cars again, then head to a safe place in Peshawar until we arrange for them to come, with Allah's will." Bin Laden even went so far as to consider the weather conditions, writing that the cars leaving the tunnel should "move after getting out of it in overcast weather, even if that would lead to them waiting for some time, knowing that the Peshawar area and its surroundings is often overcast."
Read excerpts of the letter from bin Laden to 'Sheik Mahmud'
Bin Laden also warned of "the importance of getting rid of everything they received from Iran, like baggage or anything, even as small as a needle," concerned that tracking or listening devices could have been planted in clothes or other items in their possession. "Since the Iranians are not to be trusted, then it is possible to plant chips in some of the coming people's belongings," he wrote.
It is unknown whether Khairiah's journey from Iran to Abbottabad actually followed this path, but her arrival at the compound, believed to have occurred in March or February 2011, reportedly caused many problems in the household.
Brigadier Shaukat Qadir, a retired Pakistan Army officer who leveraged his military, intelligence, and tribal contacts to conduct an independent investigation into bin Laden's presence in Pakistan and the U.S. raid that killed him, was given access to the widows' interrogation transcripts, as well as the compound before it was destroyed. In his report, Qadir wrote that Khairiah was often at odds with other members of the household, particularly bin Laden's youngest wife, Amal, with whom he shared the third-floor living area, and bin Laden's son -- Khalid -- who also was highly suspicious of Khairiah's desire to join the family in Abbottabad.
"Apparently," Qadir wrote, "he repeatedly asked her why she had come and, finally, on one occasion, (she) responded with a smile, "I have one final duty to perform for my husband.'"
Qadir's theory is that Khairiahbetrayed her husband, leading authorities to him as she made her way from Iran. Bin Laden was killed in the U.S. raid within two or three months of her arrival.
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A Pakistani official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NBC News she was "uncooperative" and "very difficult" during interrogations, acting aggressively towards the Pakistani authorities who questioned and held her for almost a year before she and the others were deported to Saudi Arabia last week.
Previously, the only information available from family members about their movement came from an interrogation report of bin Laden’s youngest wife, Amal. Her testimony, which was summarized, described how bin Laden and family members were moved quickly and frequently after 9/11 in an effort to keep them safe. She recalled being moved from place to place across the country, sometimes bouncing between multiple residences in a town or city. Her temporary homes ranged from the southern, mega-city of Karachi, to the crowded northwest capital of Peshawar, and the remote Swat Valley.
Whether Qadir's theory proves true or not, the details and locations included in bin Laden's letter of instructions may provide clues as to how and where, exactly, he and his family moved around Pakistan for so many years, completely undetected.
Amna Nawaz is an NBC News correspondent in Pakistan.
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who cares where these people go now ???? we got usama , now let's get completely away from these people ,until we can build up our own economy !!!!
Obama knew where he was all along. He was just waiting until he was elected president then he was going to pounce on him then spike the football.
Unfortunately, we're going to be hearing about it 'til November. And the economy...well...that's not going to improve in the near future. So again....
What do you mean completely away from these people... We have given them 1 Billion dollars since 911. That Billion could have done some good here, but no... some idiot politician was sympathetic to their needs. Funny how they were hiding Osama the whole time.
Haha Floyd, I heard that on Fox News too.
They also said Obama was hiding him out in a back room of the White House until just the right time.
Do they really expect us to believe one of his wives turned him in? How gullible do they think we are? muslim women are nothing over there and they KNOW their place.
Floyd have you been walking up right long?
At least I haven't been walking in lock step behind Obama.
Hey, U.S. Government ----- What the hell is wrong with you people ? Don't let on or tell ANYONE about how you "caught up with" bin Laden. Our government just cannot keep anything a secret. Biden was tripping all over himself in his haste to talk all about "SEAL TEAM SIX". It really is amateur hour with our federal administrations. Don't release anything about your activities. Let the enemy guess how they are being located and taken out. Let paranoia reign supreme in those terrorist camps. The government spoke out about how they were tracking bin Laden when he used his cell phone(s). As soon as that was released, bin Laden as well as his contacts stopped using them. During WWII, the U.S. found out that Yamamoto was going to be flying to a certain airfield and a plan was devised to shoot him down. Not only did the attack come off as planned, but the U.S. said absolutely NOTHING about it, partly because the pilot who was later credited with downing the Japanese aircraft had a brother being held in a Japanese prison camp. If our leaders of today had been around then, well, it would have not been a pretty scene for the brother of Rex T. Barber, the pilot credited with the downing of Yamamoto's plane. If that action would happen today, we would be seeing the participants on Dancing With The Stars or Jersey Shore or some such. We could take a lesson from China, Russia or even Israel. THEY do not confirm or deny or acknowledge ANYTHING !!!
EXACTLY......no more us being the world police. We have the technology to handle everything from the US borders. GREAT COMMENT!
It was Cheney hiding him in Crawford.
LOL, not even 200 comments, and the comments that are here are just the same old cry me a river BS.
I love those who always post in a threatening manor; you better wake up America! Or what - the boogie man will get us? I've lived through 14 Presidents, and my life hasn't ever been affected by any of them - you fear mongers are a trip.
Who bailed out GW's oil company? If anyone was harboring Osama, it wasn't President Obama. I think conservatives have just resolved that President Obama will get re-elected, and all this huffing and puffing is just conservatives venting.
Everyone in government for the past 20 years should be in prison for treason and fraud. They are all liars. Bushes & Clintons are the worst liars. Hillary & Obama are a very close second as liars. The should all be hung for treason.
We all need a moratorium on fed govt. Suspend federal govt for the next 4 years. Let the states handle there own citizens.
LIARS.
Pakis were sheltering Osama and his family since 2001.
Now we have new theory: earth is flat!
OBL probably didn't travel much, since he actually died 10 years ago.
brain damage......It appears Barry is the one grasping at straws since he has NOTHING else to run on!
FedupwithFED posts "How gullible do they think we are?" Gullible enough to believe Presdent Obama is a Kenyan - gulllible enough to believe that he went to Afghanistan as part of a campaign trip. Gulllible enough to believe President Obama is a Marxist? I don't think there is any botttom to the gullibility of th average AMerican RIght WInger.
Ronnie- not sure if you are being sarcastic or not- like to point out that liberals are the gullible people extolling how Islamics "are just like us!" and that we should value their diversity.
65,000 Islamic terrorist incidents in the last 11 years, combined with the silence of the "peaceful" muslim community as a whole about those incidents says they are NOT like us.
As for :
That's nothing the Mukhabarat couldn't deal with in about a day or two.
Would have getting the world's number one terrorist been a accomplishment for ANY US president? YES!!, it would. Obama got him. So "spike" that. It was a great accomplishment! Something that his two predecessors failed to do. Several of his close advisors (including military) advised against the raid. Obama took the chance and as commander and chief took the risk. For most of Bush's presidency they had no clue of where Bin Lauden was. Both Clinton and Bush missed several chances getting him. Jesus Christ at least give the guy credit when he is due it. This just goes to show how it is not about his policies but a personal dislike for the man. Possibly due to his race. Obama got him and did not have to get dressed up in a flight suit and have someone fly him out to a aircraft carrier afterwards. This is what "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" really looks like! "BIN LAUDEN IS DEAD AND GM ISN'T!"
Disabled, Thanks for your service.
It wasn't Biden who was the one who started the vocabulary on Seal Team 6. It was that "tool" Author in California who came out with all kinds of BS about how he was in on the training at some super secret location...
The administration let him go on and on about the raid until someone from the Teams called his bluff and outed him as a fraud.
FedupwithFed
brain damage......It appears Barry is the one grasping at straws since he has NOTHING else to run on!
Yeah, nothing but saving the American car industry..
Yeah nothing but helping millions of Americans get medical insurance
rts and Culture
d Culture
Banking and Financial Reform
Civil Rights
Commerce, Trade and technology
Conservation
//obamaachievements.org/list#top
FedupwithFed YOU WERE SAYING?
@ Dan - it would be nice if most of those actually meant anything and were good policy. Sorry but either most those things in that list are meaningless or lousy laws.
Meaningless to whom, Gneisenau? You? Are you the keeper of the laws who determines what is meaningful and what is not?
"At least I haven't been walking in lock step behind Obama."
No you've been lock stepping to the GOP.
Good for you.
What a bunch of BullSPit DAN! ...SO you can make any one look good with Obama like Rhetoric! Instead of "Copy, Paste" fro a Obama supporter,...explain to me how any of that lousy crap helps small buuisines and creates jobs and help economy???
Hey watch this!
Obama! Bin Laden!
Obama Quote: Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”
Today, according to staff at the Department of Homeland Security, just 5 percent of the double-layer fencing is complete, only 36.3 miles. .....................long way to 700 miles
OBAMA QUOTE:"Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week"
On Monday, President Obama falsely claimed that no Republicans in the Senate voted for the payroll tax cut.
“Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week,” he told reporters.
There's only one huge problem.
The statement is completely false.
According to the Senate Roll Call, twenty Republicans voted for the measure to proceed, including Idaho's Mike Crapo and James Risch.
On the other hand, every Democrat but one voted against it, including Washington's Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell. Only John Kerry (D-MA) did not vote. Not one single Democrat voted for cloture.
Nevertheless, Obama took to the podium to falsely declare just the opposite.
The Daily Kos, always eager to prop up Obama, claimed the President was talking about another bill, S.1917, which includes a surtax on millionaires. Most Republicans did vote against that measure because of the surtax.
OBAMA QUOTE : "Rich doesn't pay their fair share."
It seems Obama is doing the opposite of what he said he would!
Tax Year 2009
Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$343,927
36.73
Top 5%
$154,643
58.66
Top 10%
$112,124
70.47
Top 25%
$66,193
87.30
Top 50%
$32,396
97.75
Bottom 50%
Tax Year 2008
Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$380,354
38.02
Top 5%
$159,619
58.72
Top 10%
$113,799
69.94
Top 25%
$67,280
86.34
Top 50%
$33,048
97.30
Bottom 50%
<$33,048
2.7
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
OBAMA QUOTE: "We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care"
Feb 26, 2008 Democratic Debate in Cleveland:OBAMA: "No, there is a difference. I do provide a mandate for children, because we have created programs in which we can have greater assurance that those children will be covered at an affordable price. BUT WE DON’T WANT TO PUT ADULTS IN A SITUATION IN WHICH, ON THE FRONT END, WE ARE MANDATING THEM, WE ARE FORCING THEM TO PURCHASE INSURANCE, AND IF THE SUBSIDIES ARE INADEQUATE, THE BURDEN IS ON THEM, AND THEY WILL BE PENALIZED. And that is what Sen. Clinton’s plan does."
OBAMA: "We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs." -- from news conference.
THE FACTS: This assertion is flawed on several levels. For starters, the U.S. has lost more than 1.2 million jobs since Obama took office, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Even if Obama's stimulus bill saved or created as many jobs as he says, that number is dwarfed by the number of recent job losses.
OBAMA QUOTE: "I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
LMAO......Unless it gets him votes!
Msnbc is playing the Obama card again..LOL Push Obama for you are fools also!!!!!!!
You really don't have to say it. We already know it, snickering all the way....
But sometimes it does git sicknin', don't it? (intentional grammatical and spelling errors). I wouldn't want to disappoint...
Yes, Msnbc should be touting savior Romney instead. I can't wait for Romney to come save the world with his well thought out plans that clearly show how he'd do things differently than Obama...
Hey Richard you been walking up right long?
We get it. Each day in the media from now until November in the morning there will be a story about Obama's personal love life, including love letters and the personal passion he had since the womb for "turning this country around" and being the greatest leader of our time. In the evening we will be reminded of how he captured and killed Osama with his bare hands, it was freaking "amazing". It's so transparent. Yes, He will be re-elected in November because the GOP is a disconnected self serving mess. I am frankly embarrassed by the party I have always supported. It's frankly nauseating, all of it.
your wearing that one out Chief. Is that the best you can do?
Srich: Welcome to the club. I left the Republican party a long time ago because they were not, (and still are not today), willing to stand up to the liberals.
When Bill Frist had his back slapping, glad handing, "breakthrough" on illegal immigration news conference with then minority leader Harry Reid, is the day I left the Republican party. I thought that I was gonna puke when I heard the Republicans had agreed to amnesty. And on most issues, Republicans still do make me puke because they're such a gutless bunch of milquetoast liars.
Thank God the people rose up and told the idiot politicians, on both sides, that we weren't gonna stand for their amnesty BS. And even so, many of the putrid little arrogant P'sOS still want to pass it.
This why I have really enjoyed being an independent for the last 10 years. I've found it so refreshing to just be objective without having to feel obligated to a party that doesn't represent my views. The Republicans would do well not to take voters like myself for granted, unless they want to see Obama back in the White House. I would rather do a write in for someone I know won't win, than vote for Romney. Some would say I'm throwing my vote away.
As far as I'm concerned, both parties have the USA on a track to hell. One just gets there a little slower than the other. That being the case, I would rather throw my vote away than throw my conscience away. I've done that far too often in the voting booth in the past. McCain was the last straw. No more will that happen.
It's hilarious... the TV says... "al-Qaeda"...
and the yahoo, and msn and other online places write... "al-Qaida"...
But a couple days ago... msn and yahoo were spelling it... "al Qaeda"...
Goes to show you, that one is quite dumb, and the other is dumber.... take your pick...!
LMAO
Under post #2 - every comment avoids the topic, unless you count post #2.7 as relevant. When did Newsvine become your personal crying towel? I guess Fox's Forum became so irrelevant that all the conservative felt this Forum would make them whole again... MSNBC and Newsvine thanks you for all of your attention - their Ad revenue must have tripled in the last two years with all of these new (conservative) posters.
CNR,
It is never a waste to vote your conscience. This country would be a much better place if more people did, instead of voting along party lines.
rch101196: Agreed. And I'll be the first to admit that I have been guilty in the past of doing just what you said. But, BUT!!...that stopped about 10 years ago, and I've slept better since. I don't have to agree with a candidate 100% on everything. I understand how unrealistic that is. But, I have about half a dozen core issues where the candidate has to at least be in the ballpark with me. And he / she has to be in the ballpark on most, if not all of them.
Though I am a conservative, I have voted, rare though it may be, for Democrats. The last one was the former governor of Tennessee, Phil Bredesen. By contrast, I did NOT vote for the current Republican governor, Bill Haslam...and he even goes to my church. In the Republican primary, I did a write in for Allen West. I'll probably do the same come November. Should Romney choose him as a VP candidate, I might have to reconsider, but I doubt I'll have to face that conflict.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that voting your conscience is the way to go. And for the last 10 years, I have done just that.
Man. Are we going to hear Obama got Osama from now till the election? Granted it is Obama's only accomplishment, but enough already.
no because next week he will discover big foot.....
relax Democrats that was a joke....
Sorry. But Osama's death wasn't an accomplishment of Mr. Obama. It was an accomplishment of the U.S. Military Navy Seals. Albeit that Mr. Obama is using the hard work and spilled blood of American troops as a political shoehorn during an election year. Most unbecoming.
Mr. Obama has never served in the military (at least not in the U.S.), knows nothing of military tactics, and couldn't fight his way out of a Chicago projects.
And just think how great everything will be aliveinsd when we vote out Obama and have savior Romney as our POTUS (a warm body with usable digits to operate a pen)... Kittens and butterfiles for everyone!
everyone above me posting is a dumbass. While the men and women who executed the mission, their is a leader who directected and ordered it. History will note this as a great moment even though you idiots cry politics and refuse to gather as Americans and celebrate a victory.
Mitt and his boys never served in the military. Pussy.
"If you don't vote for us, we WILL be attacked again." Remember that? Mission accomplished..remember that? After a 5 mile hero spike the ball mission to an air craft carrier? What mission was that? You radical right-wing tp'ers are delusional.
The president decided to go against his generals suggestions to send just two helicopters. Good thing he didn't. You know, if this mission failed, we would be hearing about it untill the next freakin century. You just can't handle a level minded president in the Whitehouse, can ya!
Lol VH Navy you are too funny!
VH Navy: You joke, but I kid you not, there are already regulations on the books in some states about it being illegal to kill a big-foot.
I mean really, how much crazier can liberals get than to pass regulations about a creature that has not even been confirmed to exist.
Of course, for the last three years, there have been reports of increased sightings of big-foot in the forests surrounding Washington DC. Federal officials say not to worry, it was just Michele taking a walk in the woods.
Obama or Romney: No wars for ten years.
Let Saudis, oil companies and lobbyists dance on Syria or Iran.
Shiites and Sunnis battles are theirs and not ours.
Remove all sanctions on Iranian oil to reduce prices and find substitutes for oil.
I hope they don't find big-foot because if they do Obama will claim to be a relative of it.
aliveinsd
Sorry. But Osama's death wasn't an accomplishment of Mr. Obama. It was an accomplishment of the U.S. Military Navy Seals. Albeit that Mr. Obama is using the hard work and spilled blood of American troops as a political shoehorn during an election year. Most unbecoming.
Mr. Obama has never served in the military (at least not in the U.S.), knows nothing of military tactics, and couldn't fight his way out of a Chicago projects.
AS OPPOSED TO BUSH, MR DRUNK DRIVING, AWOL, MURDERER OF WOMEN HE RAYPED?
It just so happens without Obama OBL would still be pacing around the compound..
GOP sheeple like you just cant stand that, can you?
Ill bet you didnt know that a HUGE part of the operation was ENTIRELY Obama's idea, did you?
The Chinooks as a back up...The General didnt come up with that, Obama did...BY THE GENERALS OWN ADMISSION
I still can't believe people believe all of this when bin laden died years ago i hope people won't get so mad when the truth comes out soon.
Many powerful groups have tried to stop the announcement and implementation of the NESARA law. 18 months after NESARA became law, the Justices had the current Congress pass resolutions “approving” NESARA on September 9, 2001.
On September 10, 2001 George Bush Sr. moved into the White house to steer his son on how to block the announcement.
The next day NESARA was set to be announced at 10 a.m. EDT on September 11, 2001.
9/11 Attacks
Groups opposing NESARA arranged for the attacks to occur on 9/11 to keep NESARA from being announced.
Just before the announcement, Bush Snr. ordered the demolition of World Trade Center to stop the international banking computers on floors one and two, in the North Tower from initiating the new U.S. Treasury Bank system.
George Bush Snr decapitated any hopes of returning this government back to the people. Despite the fact the Bush family was to be paid off $300 trillion dollars to cooperate with NESARA, they choose instead to maintain control over us.
Ultimately in the end the Bush’s will end up with nothing.
Without a gold backed treasury system our country is headed to economic collapse, and eventual civil war.
Logistics of 9/11
We are all familiar with the official story of September 11th: Four jetliners where hijacked by groups of four and five Arabic men armed with box cutters, who flew three of the four jets into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. The World Trade Center weakened by the fires collapsed into piles of rubble. Later that afternoon, the 47 story Building 7, collapsed due to fire (a fact which most people are unaware of).
The FBI had compiled a list of hijackers within three days, and so it was obvious that Osama bin Laden had masterminded 9/11 from caves in Afghanistan. With that in mind there was no need to seriously investigate 9/11. The problem is when one investigates the conflicts of interest and red flags we find a long series of improbable coincidences.
It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble a jet fighter whenever an airliner goes off course or radio contact is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors where scrambled 67 times. In 2000 jets where scrambled 129 times. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of all deviations. NORAD is responsible for monitoring, air and space traffic continuously, and is prepared to act immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force and other armed services in pursuit of airliners in trouble.
With this in mind what would cause the massive breakdown in the chain of command?
According to the Pentagon, NORAD was conducting a mock terrorist drill on 9/11, this is why they where unable to scramble jets in time. This seems to conflict with Secretary of Transportation, Norman Mineta’s testimony before the 9-11 Commission. He reports that at the time of the attacks both Dick Cheney and himself was in the Presidential Emergency Operations Command Center. Norman recalled an officer coming in every few minutes to question the Vice President if NORAD should continue to stand down and not shoot the airplanes out of the sky.
“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??”
The airplanes which flew into the twin towers where military aircraft as no normal 747 could maneuver the way they did. Remember the hijackers nearly flunked out of flight school, how are they able to maneuver an airplane in such a way even expert pilots could not. These planes were most likely flow using autopilot because all 5 planes had their black box in flight recorders turned off at the same time. The recorder is turned off when the Airborne Warning and Control System takes over the craft.
The Planes where controlled using the U.S. Air Force’s “QRS11 Triaxial Remote Guidance System” called “JPALS.” Essentially it’s a “gyro on a chip.” It uses GPS satellite technology and electronics implanted in the Boeing aircraft allowing them to be controlled remotely.
The truth is the September 11th attacks where carried out using remote processes. It was planned out by a CIA unit of 100 people (Aquarius?) in August of 2001. This group carried out the attacks and staged the so-called cell phone calls purported to be from passengers on the commercial airlines by using voice impersonation technology and other remote technologies. This same CIA group also created the conspiracy story of 19 Arab hijackers, many of whom where either dead or in jail in the middle east.
As for the airline passengers on 9/11, they where probably gassed aboard their plane and then sent to either the Amtrak facility in Kansas City, Kansas or the FEMA crematorium in Terra Haute, ID to be incinerated.
Explosions in WTC
The official NIST’s (National Institute of Standards and Technology) investigation is often cited as proving the theory that planes and fires caused the collapses. Yet the report fails to mention how the buildings could collapse due to fire without a historical precedent of any steel framed skyscraper collapsing other than a controlled demolition. In the entire report only two sentences in a half page section gives us hints as to what really happened. This troublesome issue is avoided by placing them outside the scope of its investigation, claiming that “global collapse” was “inevitable” after the “initiation of collapse.”
A striking distinction of the World Trade Center collapse was the pulverization of the concrete into dust and gravel before it hit the ground. This can been seen in videos which show the towers mushrooming into vast clouds as they fall, leaving only twisted pieces of steel and no large pieces of concrete. While the building is collapsing you can see puffs of smoke exploding each floor out in a timed demolition. These puffs of smoke are called Sprites; which explode outward 10 to 15 floors below the rubble as the building collapses. This would suggest the detonators where on a timed circuit set to go off in a controlled manner. This also explains why the building collapsed in a free fall. An unobstructed freefall using Newtonian physics would be 6 seconds. Logic would dictate as the building collapsed the floors below it would reduce the speed, however the World trade center collapsed in 7 seconds. All of this make s sense especially when you consider the testimony from the firefighters. They reported hearing bombs going off but the media ignored their testimony. Even Columbia Observatory recorded minute explosions on their seismograph, moments prior to the collapse.
William Rodriguez who worked as a janitor reported hearing explosions in the basement just moments prior to the airplane colliding into the world trade center. Hilary Clinton promised him a high position in her government if he remained silent about this. Instead he refused, even today the media continue to ignore and distort his testimony.
Prior to 9/11, no steel building had ever collapsed due to fire. There is no way Jet fuel could burn hot enough to melt the steel in the WTC, this is because steel melts at 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, and Jet fuel burns at 1,800. Even if the beams buckled it wouldn’t cause them to melt with the fire proofing protection. The truth is the fire burned around 700 degrees and was about to extinguish itself. This can be confirmed by the black smoke which occurs in an oxygen deprived fire. There is no way the fires could have burned as hot as the government claims especially when the videos show people sitting at the edge of the impact hole waiting to be rescued.
Furthermore, Steven Jones, professor of physics at Brigham Young University found that the rubble had evidence of evaporated steel, and thermite which is used in controlled demolitions. In order for steel to evaporate it would require temperatures in excess of 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Even three weeks after the world trade collapsed their where still areas of rubble which where so hot fire fighters could not go near it. Maybe this explains why the government was so eager to ship all the “evidence”, I mean ruble to China and South Korea. This was crime scene, and by removing the evidence the government violated crime scene laws. Oddly enough the company which was given the task to do this was none other than “Controlled Demolition Inc.” Its funny thing you know with all this “heat.” How come the terrorist’s passports which linked Al-Qaeda to the attacks failed to burn in the inferno as claimed by the government?
So now the question is how did those explosives get into the building without anyone noticing it? On the weekend of 9/8 and 9/9 there was a ‘power down’ condition in the south tower. For 36 hours there was no electrical supply from the 50th floor and up. This would mean there would be no security cameras, security locks on doors. Maintenance workers reported seeing ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the building, and the sound of heavy objects moving around on floors which where supposed to be unoccupied. Even more red flags are raised when one considers the fact that bomb sniffing dogs patrols where halted on September 6, 2001. So who allowed this to happen?
Securacom (later renamed Stratesec ) was responsible for the security of the WTC complex. Marvin Bush, G.W’s brother was on the board of directors. Isn’t it odd that he has never been investigated especially considering Securacom was also in charge of security for United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport, the same place where the reported hijackers boarded there planes.
Building 7
Building 7 was the third building to collapse on 9/11 according to the government fires leveled the building. The only problem with this is, fires have never leveled a steel skyscraper before. The team that investigated the collapse was kept away from the crime scene; by the time their report was published in May 2002 the evidence had been destroyed.
Building 7 had a number of fires of limited extent and unknown duration before the total collapse at 5:20 PM. Official reports assume the debris from the North Tower ignited the fire at 10:29 A.M. FEMA’s report blamed the collapse primarily on fires, though it was inconclusive. NIST suggested it was cause by severe structural damage. However other skyscraper fires exhibited more extensive burns and longer lasting than Building 7, but none of these other buildings collapsed.
From the video evidence, it is clear building 7 collapsed in a controlled demolition type manner. Even the owner of the WTC complex, Larry Silverstein admitted to this fact in 2002 on PBS,
“I remember getting a call from the…fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. And I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull-it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”
Pulling is a term used in controlled demolitions. Now it takes weeks of planning and installation of detonators for a successful controlled demolition. How could all these detonators be conveniently in place unless Silverstein had foreknowledge the attacks would occur? Perhaps this explains why he bought a 99 year insurance policy worth $7 billion months prior to the attack. The truth is the world trade center was loaded with asbestos. It would have cost much more than $7 billion to take the building apart piece by piece to remove the stuff. So not only is it cheaper to do a controlled demolition Larry Silverstein made money from it too!
Buildings which where much closer to the World Trade center sustained more damaged yet did not collapse due to fire. So how is it that Building 7 which was two buildings away from the North Tower, developed these fires when it wasn’t hit with a plane. Maybe this can be answered when we look at who has the most to gain from the destruction of this building.
The following are the prime suspects in the 9/11 collapse.
In WTC 7, the SEC was storing thousands of files related to pending Wall Street investigations on companies such as Enron and Worldcom. Conveniently these document where destroyed when the building collapsed. Other tenants in WTC7, include the IRS, CIA, Secret Service, FBI, and Department of Defense. Building Seven also served as the command center for the security of the entire WTC complex, which was headed by the President’s brother, Marvin Bush, whose contract ended “coincidentally” on 9/11. It was also host to then Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management command center. This was built on the 23rd floor, in 1998 as a “bunker” for emergences such as 9/11. It had bullet and bomb-resistant windows, its own water and air supply, the ability to withstand 160 mph winds, and a full commanding view of the entire WTC complex. Interestingly, on 9/11 Giuliani didn’t bother to put the center to use, even though that’s what it was built for. He decided instead, to set up a makeshift command center down the street.
Isn’t it strange that the official 9/11 commission report, choose to omit any reference to building seven. What else are they hiding from us?
What happened to the debris from flight 93 in Pennsylvania? It was mysteriously missing, with the only evidence left, a 15 foot hole in the ground. The truth is flight 93 was intended to hit Camp David. If you go to YouTube you can hear the actual sound bites from the new networks which announce flight 93 hit Camp David. Seriously folks, 9/11 was totally scripted that day. Camp David was targeted by our government because it was the anniversary of the “Camp David accords.” Which was the 1978 Israeli-Egypt peace treaty, (Israel is actually a state within the United States so it’s really the US-Egypt peace treaty.) By blaming the Muslims it would have given our government another excuse to bomb the Middle East.
Why was their no investigation in the put options on American Airlines stock? Why was members of the bin laden family flown out of the country on 9/11 when all other planes where grounded? Where did the missing $700 million dollar stash of gold stored under the WTC complex disappear too? The questions go on and on. The government will not answer them because they are at fault. The whores in the media will not tell us the truth, as many of the major news networks have been paid off to lie to the American people. Its all about the money!
Pentagon
There is no way a 124 foot wide Boeing 757 airplane could fit into a hole 15-18 feet wide. So what hit the pentagon if it wasn’t a passenger airplane? Unfortunately the government confiscated most evidence covering up what happened. After the impact, pentagon officials confiscated 80 video cameras which where focused on the pentagon, and eyewitnesses had to sign nondisclosure agreements. To date only one of these videos has been released and this video is only 4 frames. All we can conclude from the video is a blurry metal bogey of some sort hit the pentagon. It is safe to rule out a 757, because such a large aircraft flying at 450 mph would literally be torn apart from turbulence created while flying under 60 feet in altitude.
The truth is Bush ordered the destruction of the Pentagon building to prevent this country from returning back to constitutional law. Remote pilot technology was used to fly a small white private plane loaded with explosives into the Pentagon at the exact location of the White Knights in their new Naval Communications Center. At the time they where coordinating activities supporting NESARA’s implementation nationwide.
Al-Qaeda
Every time Bush says we are in a war against terrorism, the terrorists they are referring to are not Al-Qaeda, THE TERRORISTS ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Patriot Acts I and II will eventually take away basic constitutional liberties such as a trial by jury and search warrants. Further more anyone who tries to cash their refund from the NESARA trust funds are arrested under the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Gestapo. When one takes a closer look at the secret memos and executive orders the intent of the elite is clear. We are now living in a police state just like our Nazi leaders have always planned for us.
“He who trades liberty for security, deserves neither and will loose both.” – Thomas Jefferson
The Bush family and the Bin Laden family are in fact best friends. They where both business partners in Saudi Oil and members of the Carlye Group. According to Patrick Bellringer, the Bush family was protecting Bin Laden. He checked into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN prior to September 11, 2001 seeking medical treatment for his kidney problems. The hospital gave him and his family a floor unto themselves for privacy. He later died on December 26, 2001 from kidney (renal) failure and lung complication. The big lie by the US government is to keep the people believing there are terrorists out there to get us. It’s hard to have a War on Terrorism, if there are no terrorists! Furthermore the media refuse to investigate how a dying man can survive on a dialysis machine in remote Pakistani caves for over six years.
Luc,
I don't know what you are snorting or smoking, but it's taken it's toll. Good luck with that.
I dont even know how to reply to this............. some is definitely right on and some for sure plausible but some sounds a little fringe to me . Im right there with you with bush sr being a conniving devil but i'd love to find the source of some of these theory's and facts . Where should I look?
wow, I don't want whatever it is you're smoking!
What the...
Luc appears to have Drain Bamage.
The Bush family and Bin Laden family are best friends? I was at a barbecue once at Bush's house and thought I saw a guy who really looked like Bin laden. That explains it.
This guy's tinfoil hat must be the size of a garbage can lid.
Wow!!
Yeah Hi luceferakasatan or the devil alive and well!You're not telling anyone anything NEW! The day those planes hit the trade center,I was at the breakfast table eating breakfast.I just watched and ate breakfast because I could not believe what I was seeing!
Anywho,after awhile it began to hit me,and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.I swear I heard something whispering the name Bush in my ear! It was errie!
I heard the story about building 7, the pentagon, the thermal nuclear devices planted at the base of the buildings,and you know what?
I believe every single word of it!Because first all Bush would sell his first born to get his way, he just ignored 9/11.Secondly you're right he was BUDDIES with ben Ladden, and his family.Very Close Buddies! BINGO SIR!
Any other SUCKER believing the Government's version of 9/11 is just that a Sucker and a Patsy!
To all you SUCKERS AND PATSYS,look up the name Susan Landeur! You'll get a real eyeful about the what really went on!
Happy Reading! Oh and have a pleasant evening!
Rosie Odonell is that you? Funny stuff.
Don't do drugs, kids.
What a post luc, I am pretty sure the senior bushes were stranded in Milwaukee on 9/11. If something as important as this NESARA became law, how do you explain the lawmakers voting for this to have remained silent? $300 trillion to the Bushes? REALLY? Like is was said above, I don't want what you are smoking. Go get some mental help buddy, I am sure you can find a provision in "Obamacare" to pay for it for you.
Bank Roll Programs
Around the turn of the century, the children of robber barons, and “banksters” began to see the error in their parent’s evilness and their use of wealth. These 100 children are known as “wealthy visionaries”. Together they invested some of their families money into secret money roll programs, to be used for humanitarian purposes.
The bank roll programs, allow wealthy investors to make insane profits by ripping off the assets and resources from third world nations. The profits from these programs are utterly astronomical as monthly returns can be in excess of 1:100,000 and 1:500,000. The name “roll programs” comes from a method of rolling money over and over in short periods of time. At the end of each cycle investors then reinvest or “roll” the principle and interest earned over into the next cycle. In the late 1990′s the bank roll programs finally ceased.
Money earned from these bank roll programs became known as the “Prosperity Programs” Over time the programs where secretly opened up to small investors so that one could invest as little as one hundred dollars at a time. These small amounts where handled by trustees, who collected the money and kept records, and combined the small investments into the large amount, let’s say, one million dollars, that was required in order to enter a “roll”.
The news of these programs spread by word of mouth and especially via multi-level marketers. Thousands of people invested and great wealth was generated, but little, if anything was ever paid back to the investors. Trustees such as Clyde Hood and Mike Kadoski where sent to jail under false charges. Then corruption, greed, and fraud became wide spread among the bankers, government, and even some trustees who wanted to steal the money for themselves.
Even the Bush family had their hands in the pot, using Promis Software they could transfer stolen funds without being traced. Many have died because of this wealth, but God has another plan for humanity.
History of NESARA
To understand NESARA’s origins we must go back to the early years of the American Republic. Ever since England lost her most prized jewel the “American Colonies,” the royal crown was looking for ways to take back what was once theirs. The pioneers of our new republic knew the threat that faced the young nation. To ensure its survival a nobility amendment was passed to prevent anyone who had loyalties to the crown from holding public office. The 13th Amendment was approved by congress and the House of Representatives in 1810. It was ratified by all the necessary states into law on March 12, 1819. It reads as follows.
13th Amendment
If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.
This amendment was unacceptable for the British crown because this would essentially cut of all meddling into the affairs of the new republic’s government. It would also mean anyone who is a member of the BAR (Lawyer) association would not be allowed to hold public office. Remember the B.A.R. is short for the British Accredited Registry. This amendment is technically still in effect today and therefore all the laws that have been made by lawyers remains unconstitutional, as they are not allowed to be US citizens.
This is why England fought in a war with us in 1812. Washington D.C. was burned to the ground and the original documents which proved this was indeed a law were destroyed. The British monarchy knew the American people would never tolerate British rule again, so they offered back the republic to the people with one exception, the 13th amendment was to be removed from the constitution. Nearly 200 years have now since passed, we have been conquered and yet we don’t know it.
Then we had the civil war which was really about the Rothschild family trying to gain control of the south’s cotton industry. Then we had the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 which put America into slavery. Finally in the early 1990′s we started to see a change.
NESARA
The beginnings of NESARA takes us back to the early 1970′s when the banks where foreclosing on farmers mortgages all over the United States. The Willie Nelson “Live Aid” concerts were one of the fund raisers that helped these farmers. The farmers soon realized the banks where not only charging exorbitant and illegal amounts of interest, but they where illegally foreclosing on their homes.
When these farmers began to seek legal action against the banks they soon realized that the government and banks where working in collusion with each other. So in the early 1990′s, they sought the help of the Farmers Union and did in depth research on all the banks illegal activities. A series of lawsuits where initiated against the banks and the government. Over 336,000 Farm Claims filed for fraud against the U.S. Federal Government with an average of $20 million dollars per claim. This amounts to $6.6 trillion total.
In retaliation the banks and the government sent the IRS against the farmers. When the farmers realized they where being unfairly targeted by the IRS they began looking for ways to fight back. They requested help from military generals such as General Ray Swasinger, to sit in the court room to ensure the bribed judges would vote according to constitutional law.
These court cases ran up and down various state and federal courts from 1970′s till the 1990′s. Then in 1992-1993, the farmers appealed their case to the US supreme court. Almost unanimously the U.S. Supreme Court Justices ruled that the Farmers Union claims were VALID and that the U.S. federal government and the banks had seriously defrauded the farmers, and all U.S. citizens, out of vast sums of money and property. Furthermore the court ruled the shocking truth that the IRS and the Federal Reserve where unlawful, that the income tax amendment was never ratified by the US states, and that the US government had illegally foreclosed on farmers homes with the help of federal agencies. Irrefutable proof of such was presented by a retired CIA agent. He provided testimony and records of the banks illegal activity, to lead further evidence that the Farmers’ Union claims were legitimate.
The Justices recognized that to remedy this situation, massive reformations would be required.
Now, when rulings are made by the U.S. Supreme Court, one or more Justices are assigned to monitor the progress on how the rulings are carried out. In this case, five Justices were assigned to a committee to develop steps to implement required government and banking reformations. As the Justices went about developing the required reformations they enlisted the help of experts in economics, monetary systems, banking, Constitutional government and law, and many other related areas. The Justices built coalitions of support and assistance with thousands of people worldwide; these thousands of people working to bring us NESARA have been named “White Knights”.
This term “White Knights” was borrowed from the world of big business hostile takeovers. It refers to how a vulnerable company is “rescued from a hostile takeover by a White Knight” corporation or wealthy person. This term is a most accurate term for these “White Knights” are working behind the scenes to stop the madness.
After the trial, the damages process name was changed to Bank Claims. From 1993 through 1996, U.S. citizens filed Bank Claims against the banks and the federal government through the U.S. Treasury Department to obtain payment for the damages as specified by the U.S. Supreme Court. (This process CLOSED in 1996.)
Gag Order
Due to the ground breaking changes required, an extremely strict gag order was placed on everyone, directly involved and the court case records. Anyone who broke this gag order would receive the death penalty. Furthermore all court records where sealed until after all the reforms are completed. To maintain this secrecy, the case details for the docket number assigned to the Farmers’ Union case were changed.
As a result doing a search for this case will fail to reflect the correct information until after the reformations are made public.
At every step of the process, anyone directly involved has been required to sign an agreement to keep the U.S. Supreme Court’s process of implementing the required reformations “secret”, or face charges of Treason which are punishable by death. This gag order was placed on all media personnel, government officials, and bank employees. This is why Alex Jones or TV news anchors will not talk about this on air. Nor will wikipedia tell you the truth behind the law. Nor will Sherry Shriner who is nothing more than a CIA stooge. Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, was about to break the gag order, but before he could his small passenger plane crashed killing his wife, daughter, and himself.
Accords
To implement the required changes, the five Justices spent years negotiating how the reformations would occur. These agreements , known as “Accords” where made with the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve Bank owners, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and with numerous other countries including the United Kingdom and countries of the Euro Zone.
The U.S. banking system reformations require the Federal Reserve Bank system be absorbed by the U.S. Treasury Department and the banks’ fraudulent activities stopped. Plus remedies will need to be made to U.S. citizens for past harm due to fraud. The U.S. banking reformations will impact the entire world and therefore the IMF, World Bank, and other countries had to be involved.
As the years began to pass, the military generals who originally helped the farmers soon realized that the government had no intentions of implementing the “Accords.” So, the Justices authorized the reformations be put into the form of a 75 page document known as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act (NESARA).
NESARA implements the following changes;
1. Zeros out all credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt due to illegal banking and government activities
2. Abolishes income tax
3. Abolishes IRS; creates 14% flat rate non-essential “new items only” sales tax revenue for government
4. Increases benefits to senior citizens
5. Returns Constitutional Law to all our courts and legal matters.
6. Establishes new Presidential and Congressional elections within 120 days after NESARA’s announcement
7. Monitors elections and prevents illegal election activities of special interest groups
8. Creates new US Treasury currency, “rainbow currency,” backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals
9.. Initiates new U.S. Treasury Bank System in alignment with Constitutional Law
10. Eliminates the Federal Reserve System
11. Restores financial privacy
12. Retrains all judges and attorneys in Constitutional Law
13. Ceases all aggressive, US government military actions worldwide
14. Establishes peace throughout the world
Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purpose.Enables the release of new technologies such as free energy devices, pollution cleanup, and sonic healing machines.
This law was passed secretly on March 9, 2000 by Congress. It was voted on by seven members congress, which where the only ones constitutionally allowed to hold office. This is because the nobility amendment prevents anyone with ties to the crown from holding office.
Plus, NESARA requires all congress members to resign immediately, so all the corrupt members of congress refused to vote. From its very inception Bush Snr., the false congress, and major bank houses, and the Carlyle group opposed NESARA. Secrecy was maintained by revising the official congressional registry. The details of the bill number for NESARA were revised to reflect a commemorative coin and revised again more recently.
Our members of congress will not tell us any of this because they have been ordered by the U.S. Supreme Court Justices to “deny” the existence of NESARA or face charges of Treason punishable by death; and some members of Congress have actually been charged with “obstruction” and threatened with Treason charges. Therefore, all members of Congress pretend that NESARA has not been passed in order to comply with the Justices’ gag order. This why there are no public Congressional Records!
The unelected cloned President Bill Clinton and his puppet masters, had no interest in signing NESARA into law. So, the military generals enlisted the help of the elite Naval Seals and the Delta Force. Together they stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA into law. This occurred on October 10, 2000.
Before NESARA is announced to the public it is stipulated that the original farm claims must be paid out first in with gold or precious metals backed currency as stipulated by the constitution. Therefore they cannot be paid in Federal Reserve notes which is not money anyway. The $6.6 trillion is to be distributed in the form of ATM debit cards from the new gold back US Treasury system. This money will come from the bank roll programs originally set up by benevolent illuminati families. The only catch is to release these funds they must first be released by Goldman Sacs and Bank of America which are owned by the Rockefeller and Bush cabals.
I can't stand it any longer. I confess. I did 9-11. I was riding around in my UFO with Howard Dean and feeding my big-foot, when the frequency control on my tin foil hat slipped. And well, one thing led to another, and ...it was an accident. I swear!! I asked my pilot, Elvis, if we could use the Haliburton time machine to just run the clock back about 10 minutes, but he said Bush was using the weather function to make hurricanes. And well, I didn't mean to. Honest!!
This is the kind of @!$%# that happens when you drink the bong water at an occupy rally.
lucifer-The truth is flight 93 was intended to hit Camp David
maybe true...but if it didn't go down in pa then where did todd and the other passengers roll to?
And so far that post has gotten 10 votes? (sigh)
sandie1962
The Bush family and Bin Laden family are best friends? I was at a barbecue once at Bush's house and thought I saw a guy who really looked like Bin laden. That explains it.
ITS A KNOWN FACT that the Bush Bin Laden connection is there and had been for decades
If you think this dude's post is whacked out you should read some more about NESARA.....These people are loony tunes.....Just one step crazier than a republican...
Really read about it.
who give's a sh!t about that family or anything to do with bin laden, leave those Animals alone and find something news worthy, i mean the media talk's about garbage, start's racial tension, why are we paying them to give us such crappy news? o ya and they support bad politicians so i think they are just bad all around.
I agree.
Pakis backstabbed the US and allies and NATO forces. Now they are trying to act as good guys!
..it's as if Pakistan did not coroborate. Duhhhhh!!!!!
The man is dead, we all get it, now move on and focus on the economy and fix this mess as a strong united country..not as Democrats or Republicans but as Americans...
OK i am off my soap box now
Obama apparently located him and had him under surveillance from August 2010.
"The U.S. learned four years ago that Bin Laden was hidden with the help of the courier and his brother. It took
two more years for the intelligence community to get the couriers names, senior administration said--and where they lived. One of the couriers was a "protégé" of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a mastermind of the 9-11
attacks. He is being held in the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
In August, 2010, the couriers home in Abbotabad--about 35 miles north of Islamabad--was discovered, in a fortified compound built in 2005, worth $1 million, hidden behind tall security walls topped by barbed wire--and with no internet or phone service. The brothers had no source of income--but their home was eight times larger than their neighbors."
Sweet, L. (May 2, 2011) "Osama Bin Laden: Found in a mansion, not a cave.” Chicago Sun-Times. Retrieved May 3, 2012 from: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/05/osama_bin_laden_found_in_a_man.html
Obama located him? I guess it's possible as he personally pulled the trigger.
Obama is a joke. And a bad one at that. Can't wait until U-Haul One pulls up to the White House and moves him away.
sandie your a commie pinko fool !!!!!! hate Mr Obama all you want but to speak like that is stupid that building that you want to uhaul to oblivion it the reason you have freedom in the first place dummy read a book instead of burning them.
To Jayalley -The freedoms that I have did not come from Obama. If you read the post- it is Obozo that I want moved away NOT the White House. He is a Marxist and an illigitimate president who was not even born in the US. By the way, I have never burned a book in my life.
Your freedoms came from the white house's 250 year history stupid!!! You said you cant wait till it blows up that's my retort to your comment. Take your birther racist ignorant ass to the library because be it you might not have burned a book you for sure havent read one in a long time. Your pathetic
Jaygalley - Where did I say anything about the White House blowing up??? I said that I cannot wait until Obama has MOVED OUT ! Are you having difficulties reading?
Sandie1962 been walking up right long? Fool.
Yes, Obama located him, showed up with his personal league of "Avengers"...and oh wait that's a movie.
You think if Mission accomplished burning shrub bush thought about bin laden and got him, he wouldn't be spiking the ball? Bush=bull in a china shop Obama=finesse and results with pin-point accuracy.
Sandie1962,
U-Haul One?!! LMAO!!!!!
Jaygalley - let me spell this out for you. Sandie can not wait until the November elections take place and Obama is voted out of office, then on January 20th, a Uhaul truck shows up at the White House to help him take his things out and move back to Chicago or wherever he plans to retire. No where in their post did they condone the blowing up of the White House.
Secondly, the WHITE HOUSE had nothing to do with the drafting of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. The White House was not even built back then. Read a history book.
Enough brainwashing already!!! I believe. I believe.
"How Obama hid himself", .....not very well.
Go Seals!!!!!
What if Osama bin Laden was a fictional character? What if 9/11 was a staged event?
Can you handle the truth? If so, start here:
septemberclues dot info
If you are not too overwhelmed and want to know more:
cluesforum dot info
Are you willing to know the truth?
thats what i wanted fact behind theory thanks
I know it would be nice if Obama were a fictional character.
You can't be serious. The man's been slaughtering people since the 80's (or had been, until he was allegedly put down last year--burying him at sea opened a whole can of worms on that notion, although who knows? Despite the dozens of new songs you hear every so often that are new releases, Tupac is still supposedly quite dead.) Don't believe for a minute that there wasn't an Osama bin Laden. He was on the CIA payroll--another dirty guy doing their wetwork.
Questions regarding Osama bin Laden would be better answered by Reuters or actual classified documents, but in the meantime, questions persist.
-Did Khairah give him up willingly out of spite, or was she coerced by the Iranians (who have no love whatsoever for the Saudis, less so for CIA, and had been bombed along the Afghani border back in 2010 if my memory serves correctly)? If so, how much of that information was exchanged during previous nuclear talks with the Iranian government?
-How exactly did the CIA infiltrate Pakistan so efficiently, and get in contact with the doctor working in Abbottabad?
-Are recent Taliban kidnappings of UN doctors some form of reprisal? Note the fact that the recently beheaded UN doctor was discovered dead around the anniversary of Osama bin Laden--and the doctor originally hailed from Pakistan.
-Why doesn't the news ask these damn questions themselves?
Old news, btw he's dead...why write about this after the fact....because it's American media crap reporting....keep the people in fear, right...talk about something relevant for a change....man Americans, no wonder the people are so unknowledgeable about World events.....just crap journalism and propaganda, feed people the information you want them to have and nothing more.........
Old news move on, who cares he's dead
I hear that the GOP knew where B laden was but didn;t want him found to make Obama look good...But guess what GOP Obama got him...Obama 2012
I heard the apocalypse was supposed to be last year. So much for believing all you hear.
See If I told you I was a Republican you'll would believe me.....
no, I just don't believe everything I read. I don't care who writes it.
Obama was not born on American soil there for he is not American not only that but he has broken our laws he has removed some of the rights the constitution gave us, and he is still trying to do take more from the American people so we should not keep him Around just throw him in prison and be done with it, it's time we get America back.
Ron Paul 2012
Well! Anyone looking for proof of BigFoot's existence, look to:
Brad Wilson-4198615
This guy makes Neanderthals seem intelligent.....
Neanderthals were intelligent, and one of our earliest examples of chimp-like aggresssion as a species (in that we gave them a push toward extinction). As for Big Foot--trappers wore a lot of fur, as did natives, and furred men were kind of ingrained in the consciousness of frontier societies. (Before bigfoot, there were Mishipeshu, Skin Walkers and Wendigos; all from areas where there would later be a fur trade. Hmm.)
Eh. I'm bored and expansive tonight, but anyway, back to the whole 'discrediting notions' business; Hawaii is American soil (although many native Hawaiians wish it wasn't), I haven't seen any amendments disappear, per se (even the ridiculous human rights violations of the Patriot Act and the recent horror signed into law have precedent--and with Abraham Lincoln, of all people), and from what I've seen, he's pulled a large number of the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan--which is a relief for those who have friends and family serving.
Does this mean I'm on board with the Patriot Act, etc? No; I'd do a jig if someone told me a whole mob had banded together with pitchforks and went down to Congress today, and I'm not a violent person.
If you want to get America back--stop worrying about the Wizard of Oz and start looking at the idiots in your district, your county, up to your state representatives--get them. Take them out of those positions; vote the bastards out. They outnumber Obama by far, frankly, so if you want to see change, real change--vote all of those @!$%#s out, and then worry about the guy who gets to sit in the fancy chair.
Do you think Czar Nicholas mattered, or Rasputin? Or was it all the White Russians? Do you think it was just Franco? Or Hitler?
It's never that one bozo. Frankly, I have nothing against Obama, but if you think it boils down to him--wow. You have tunnel vision.
careful notinallcases, you might make some GOP sheeple's heads explode with common sense
Has anyone heard if Bin Laden has found his 72 virgins yet?
yeah in Davey Jone's Locker
Good ones sandie and navy. Brad, McCain was the one not born on American soil. If he was elected, would you say the same things? Have you seen HIS birth certificate and college transcripts? I sure haven't. Before you say he was born on an American military base, remember Obama's mother was a naturally born US citizen of which ANY child born to her, ANYwhere on earth is still a naturally born US citizen ahole.
The title should read: The CIA did a great job for the war profiteers by keeping Bin Laden undetected for almost 10 years after they blamed 9/11 on him to justify keeping the money from the war on Terra they created coming in.
If this wife is the one who actually gave the information to kill this creep...well.. She should be welcomed into the US. I am so happy this parasite of humanity is dead. Kudos to her!
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
just goes to show, multiple wives may sound like a great idea, but it's really a Baaaaaaaad one :)
It is Paki Army+ISI+Musharraf = Ally in terror= Bin laden+ Chinese patronage of Pakis to brutal occupation of Tibet and Northern Indian States. All utterly low level Trash spy agencies and murder=assassins= national interest. look at blind Chinese activist dumped by Hillary= Geithner etc. it is just cesspool as always. Who is worse-Romney Obama or any other idiots at any level in governance?
Obama was not born on American soil, he has taken right's from us that the constitution was made to protect, he has broken laws himself, he keep's sending our people to other Country's to die, send him to prison and let's be done with him....you know kinda like we are done hearing about Osama bin Laden it was the only good thing he did and it was not even him that did it!!!! it was our seal's you know true Americans.
Ron Paul 2012!
Well! Anyone looking for proof of BigFoot's existence, look to:
Brad Wilson-4198615
This guy makes Neanderthals seem intelligent.....
Me I am more concerned about fresh water in the U.S. The number of people employed in jobs that can support a family. just stupid stuff like that. O I am sorry the topic was Osama did you hear he was killed? And the hardest part was for the CIC to give the orders, what a brave man he must be.
Well, even if we have been betrayed (like the Haitians, by the World Bank; like practically everyone by that institution, incidentally) we still possess enough privilege to ask questions, even if the news reports it like misdirection. I mean, the death toll alone at least justifies a, "What? How?"
Pakistan receives a lot of money from us for military support. A lot of its best and brightest get an education here. I think we're owed an explanation. Just a little. Corporate news isn't going to oblige, though. It's practically a puppet show.
The Article should have read: The CIA did a great job keeping their agent Bin Laden undetected for the war profiteers for 10 years after they blamed the false flag 9/11 attacks on him. Keep the war on Terra going and the money coming in all you sick soul baby blood drinking Satanists!
Well we did not hear anything about Bin Ladin following his assassination. Now we know why because the media will now run a Bin Ladin revelation every week until the election. I am sure the Obama election team has this orchestrated so Obama can maximize the credit from the capture. The media will do everything it can to keep peoples minds off the economy. Obama and Gang have no pride.
Or he was assassinated this time last year and, you know, they like the ratings from talking about stuff like that, being corporate news and all. So, they give you nothing by information, feeding actual information to you in tiny bites--you tune in, they make money.
Trust me, the news will draw a blank on Bin Laden in a week or two. Pakistan will breathe a sigh of relief, because even a year later, they won't owe us an apology. Our dead--they'll still be dead. And ex presidents will still be doing oil speculation with Bin Ladens.
Nope. As soon as another hollywooder dies in a surprise drug overdose all this will get superceded.
What's the old saying? "You and run, but you can't hide" not any more for any of you people. We are coming to get you even in Yemen.
Bin Laden died of kidney failure, we knew he took credit for 9/11 but had no control or input. We paid $30,000,000.0 to be notified when he died. We had a standby team in Afganistan waiting to be sent in. When he died Obama was notified and sent in a recovery team that met no resistence but one little guard with an ak that jammed. We lost a multi billion dollarhelicopter and and a bunch of F-----s brought his body out. The Saudi's said "you can claim you killed him for political reasons, cause after all he was a rogue to us. "You will bring his body to us "Or Else". We bowed and scraped and brought his body home"Like a Hero" in an American Plane and the said we had no proof. How do you capture a dead man? Hitler often said "Don't tell little lies, you'll get caught, tell whoppers and no one will believe that you are that criminal. Well Mr. African American President and your Gay Homeland Security people keep up the lies. Your gone pal.
Jack Slade
Jack, you just admitted your gop bigoted stance. If the decisions of this mission was left up to Wollard Romney, he would still be flip-flopping and broadcasting to the world what he will do then that he changed his mind that he will do it this way or that way then shake his etch-a-sketch and start all over again, or maybe like Bush did and not to think about getting him and moving the war to a nation that had NOTHING to do with 9/11 claiming he did it for reason #1 there was no more "good targets" in Afghanistan and #2 the madman tried to kill my daddy. Get a freakin life scum.
WOW! There's an entire clan of BigFoot's. Besides,
Brad Wilson-4198615
There's also,
Jack slade
Where's my shot gun. It sure would be nice to have one of these stuffed on my mantle....The NRA, they can certainly help me....
@ Confused: No man, the ape-killing NRA guy died a while back. The new NRA would require your bigfoots to be unarmed teenagers first.
Well Mr. African American President and your Gay Homeland Security people keep up the lies. Your gone pal.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Racist/Bigot much?