Yes, but that was the goal. Emails were even easier to track than the phones.

I'm far more concerned about the NSA and its spying capabilities than I am of terrorists.

When you realise that these scenarios are thought about by leaders around the world, only the names change. It is not like this was a never before heard of revelation. Sort of like the fuss when someone in the media blurted out that bank transactions between US and foreign accounts were monitored to detect terrorist activity. Yes, it was so double top secret that my banker told me in writing.

There really should have been no reason for this to have been classified in the first place.

Actually, yes there is a reason. I'm assuming your banker didn't service the Taliban. What is "common knowledge" is actually not that common, especially in other countries. During the last few wars, intelligence officers from hostile countries admitted to watching American news networks for information. What is "news" to us can be a valuable information to others. As former military, I appreciate the press and the work they do (after all, it's one of the freedoms we were swearing to protect) but I also appreciate not getting killed or my a** shot off because someone released information for "news" sake.

Here, they this new can of Shillbegone.

Like the NSA can't do both.

Who are you kidding?

For some unexplained reason, Indiana has more designated potential terrorist attack sites listed than any other state in the Nation. I heard they even list a petting zoo as a possible terrorist attack site.

Looks like paranoia to me.

As far as the theoretical attack on Indianapolis, just that. Theoretical what if scenario. Nothing secret about it. Just good safe planning for the worst.

Indiana state slogan "the crossroads of the nation"

They have I-65, 69, 70 and 74 which intersect and interchange around Indinapolis. Plus I-80 and 90 to the North. As a truck driver I can show you a few different routes to avoid Indiana entirely.

I am more concerned that our patriotic media allows our enemies to know what what we are afraid of most, how we live our lives, and what state of mind Lindsey Lohan is in; Rather than standing together and rebuilding our country to the greatness that has been inspired by our history.

Our government has conducted many, many exercises since 1945 to formulate responses to any possible nuclear threat. When the Genie was released from the bottle in 1945 the fear factor went through the roof within the walls of our government. History from 1945 on proves the extent of proliferation to other countries; increasing yields, Fusion Weapons, multiple reentry vehicles from one missile, sub launched ICBMs, (supposed) Russian 'suitcase' bombs and on and on.

Here is an excerpt little has ever been heard of, let alone discussed. If a few Grad students in physics could do it in 1964, just imagine what the available technology is today, plus the availability of greater computing power. The biggest problem the terrorists or terrorist supporting nations have is getting the material and high tech parts to build it! I've always said that if we're whacked by a nuke it will be delivered in a Bread Truck and not by a missile.

The Nth Country Experiment was an experiment conducted by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory starting in May 1964 which sought to assess the risk of nuclear proliferation. The experiment consisted in paying three recent young physicists who had just received their PhDs, though had no prior weapons experience, to develop a working nuclear weapon design using only unclassified information, and with basic computational and technical support. "The goal of the participants should be to design an explosive with a militarily significant yield", the report on the experiment read, "A working context for the experiment might be that the participants have been asked to design a nuclear explosive which, if built in small numbers, would give a small nation a significant effect on their foreign relations."

The experiment ended on April 10, 1967, after only three man-years of work over two and a half calendar years. According to a heavily redacted declassified version of the summary, it was apparently judged by lab weapons experts that the team had come up with a credible design for the technically more challenging implosion style nuclear weapon. It is likely that they would have been able to design a simpler gun combination weapon even more quickly, though in such a case the limiting factor in developing such a weapon is not usually design difficulty but rather material procurement. The term "Nth Country" referred to the goal in assessing the difficulty in developing basic weapons design (again, not the same thing as the development of weapons themselves) for any potential country with a relatively small amount of technical infrastructure—if the United States was the 1st country to develop nuclear weapons, and the USSR the 2nd, and so on, who would be the Nth country?

Due to the increased amount of publicly available resources regarding nuclear weapons, it is reasonable to assume that a viable weapon design could be reached with even less effort today. However in the history of nuclear weapons, the development of fission weapons was never strongly hindered by basic design questions except in the very first nuclear weapons programs.

The Summary Report of the Nth Country Experiment was declassified—though heavily excised—in 2003. (Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nth_Country_Experiment)

I've been through Indy many times. Would one truly notice if 20 blocks were destroyed by a bomb?

For some unexplained reason, Indiana has more designated potential terrorist attack sites listed than any other state in the Nation. I heard they even list a petting zoo as a possible terrorist attack site.

Actually, it is very reasonable. A terrorist attack is not an attack designed to hit "harden and well defended" target. It would be highly unlikely to hear an attack going against Fort Knox gold repository or some missile silo. A terrorist attack would be more "scary", have more lasting effect, and best chances when done against a "soft target".

Just look at the events of 9/11. When everyone thinks about the events of that day, we remember more about the two towers coming down even though that attack did not just have component. The Pentagon was attacked with less spectacular results, even though it was just as sad. Than there was the United Flight 93 part that was even less spectacular, yet just as sad, results.

So a petting zoo would be a very prime terrorist target. It is a location that many people would congregate. It is a place that would have lots of children whose death would result major feeling of terror. It is a lightly secure location with many points of entrance and exits.

Terrorist attacks is more about the spectacular nature that attacking the target would produce or about the symbolic nature of the target than it is about the strategic nature of the target.

When files come out about the FBI's crimes against American citizens they are heavily redacted. But files like these that are a playbook for terrorism they provide all the do's and don'ts.

Where's Waldo - April '94 I was led to the prophecies which God revealed to Pastor Dumitru Duduman at the Hand of Help Ministry website (Through The Fire Without Burning). Also read Set The Trumpet to thy Mouth by Dr. David Wilkerson. Just as the Lord warned Israel and Judah through all His prophets and seers, (2 Kings 17:13-15) even to the sacrificing of their own sons and daughters, so too is He very angry with America, that He has declared America's judgment is forth coming.
One revelation from God is worth far more than the knowledge gained from all the books in the world written by men who have no understanding or comprehension of the absolute truth of God's WORD. In His great Mercy, God seeks to warn man in order to keep him from His judgment. The only thing that will save man from God judgment is man's repentance, turning away from sin and accepting Christ as his LORD and SAVIOR.

Oct. 17, '04 I read maybe 3 or 4 times through, Michael Boldea (Grandson of Pastor Duduman) latest message ("The Eagle and the Serpents" Hand of Help Ministry website) of a vision God had given him. I laid down on my floor and started crying out to God. In this prayer I said that this man in Iran says he wants to wipe Israel off the map. I continued to say that he knows should he strike Israel like this America will strike them to do the same. Then I said, God, he must strike America first and a thousand times worse than that of 9/11 to force America to back down from supporting Israel.
Oct. 21, '04 as I was walking into a restaurant a man standing at the counter waiting to place his order turns and seeing me, he starts to move to his left, screaming and pointing at me he says, I think you have something to tell me. I told him how I was led to the first two prophecies and the confirmations God gave me to confirm this was true prophecies coming for America and then He tells me he saw a vision of the three areas (That I mentioned above) hit by something. I told him I believed they most likely will use chemical, biological, dirty nukes, suitcase nukes or a combination of the four.
God has never allowed a destruction of a people or nation before He first warns man of this coming destruction. Amos 3:7. This because He is a merciful God not wanting any to perish but all to come to Christ.

It's a sick, sick world we live in and it is about to get a lot worse for America. The illusion that the vast majority live with is that America is the only hope for this world. Christ Jesus is our only hope in this world. This vast majority, though they can see, they are blinded by lies and deception of those that would want to control them. The greatest liar of them all is the one who kills, steals and destroys; yes, Satan. And it is all because the vast majority refuses to seek the truth of God's WORD.

Here we go once again those that have never worked in the Nuclear (Weapons) Field have so many uninformed uneducated opinions.

Also many here also kept posting cut the US Military Defense Budget (believing that this type of thing has nothing to do with the US Military), or that the Infrastructure Projects/Programs of the US Army Corps of Engineers has nothing to do with the Infrastructure internal to the US.

During the height of the "Cold War" many "Exercises" were held. Cities within the US were picked at Random to determine Responses to Logistics, Transportation, Supply, Security, etc.. It was the concept that Small Atomic Demolition Munitions (SADM) to Heavy Atomic Demolition Munitions (HADM) aka "Backpack Nuclear Weapons" could be stolen from the USSR; smuggled into the US and detonated at a US City.

dave-2173001,

"No Such Agency" can Monitor and Censor ALL US Communications, this was done by President Bush, then stopped after being Ruled Illegal. This was Legalized and Restarted by President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (plural).

Where's Waldo,

You were already TOLD BEFORE not to use Wikipedia:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer

You want to use Wikipedia as a Valid Source of Information (FACTS) then have them eliminate their Disclaimer. I can and have pointed out many "opinions" that are NOT Facts in Wikipedia Articles.

......The story is accurate Davey Boy...Wikipedia or no Wikipedia. Why don't you set your sights (Permanently) on scouring Wiki articles and challenge every one of them for accuracy for the rest of your life. Then you can finally "come down from the mountain" to proclaim them cleansed!...........anyone else would check sources themselves if they were concerned. We're not building the A-Bomb here on this sight Ace....we're discussing it.....get a life Davey boy...anal much?

Where's Waldo - The story is accurate Davey Boy

Really you were there. NOPE. Still Wikipedia Disclaimer.

Where's Waldo - Why don't you set your sights (Permanently) on scouring Wiki articles and challenge every one of them for accuracy for the rest of your life.

Nope, you are the one using a Discredited (Disclaimed) source of information.

Where's Waldo - anal much?

Bend over.

The only one "Discredited" here is you Davy Boy. Try stuffing the other foot in your mouth. I'm absolutely sure that it will fit. And, I hope you keep your appointments with your shrink. He'll want to boost your meds, so make sure to show him/her your posts..............

Sees thru the gloss: The powers that be were not even sure if little boy and fat man would explode. too bad it worked. We would be only under total destruction by conventional warfare.

thomas-819915,

Actually we should all be extremely grateful that they both worked. Who knows how many American lives, as well as those of the Japanese, were saved by bringing WWII to a close, without further fire bombing &/or invasion of Japan. Furthermore, are you really so naive as to believe that the US was the only country who could conceive of or was working on this terrible type of weapon?

Thomas

Many countries were working on nuclear weapons as well as nuclear power. You also seem to forget that chemical weapons were plentiful and popular and I don't really consider them conventional.

The US had no lock on nuclear technology and the fission science was out in the public domain. Just as it is now.

The two atomic bombs were dropped for POLITICAL and physiological reasons, not MILITARY...

General MacArthur had stated there was NO Military need for their deployment. The Russians had revoked their treaty with Japan and their troops were sitting on the China coast...

POTUS Truman:

1. Needed to justify the spending of the Billions of US tax dollars for their development...

2. The deployment of these, was used to contain the Russia threat of invasion...

3. The causalities caused by these, resulted in a world wide call for restrictions on spreading the capabilities to other countries and the use of them...

Was he justified??? The debate still goes on...

AC, what revisionist history have you been reading? At the time, there was no need to justify any expenditure that brought the war to an end. The American people were tired of the war. There was some concern about what would happen to troops who had just spent years fighting in Europe if they were moved from Europe to the Pacific. They had just defeated the Germans. They could kick back because Europe was relatively safe. Moving them back into a hot war without allowing them to enjoy their victory could cause a disaster.

There is some merit to the idea that we dropped the bomb to prevent Russia from attacking. However, that was not one of the initial considerations in the decision. Actually, from what I've read, the bomb was originally intended to aid in the defeat of Germany. It just wasn't ready in time.

The casualties caused by the bombs, absolutely, did lead to a world wide call for restrictions on spreading the nuclear weapons capability to other countries. Much of that call came from nations that had no nuclear weapons program because they didn't want to take the chance on their neighbors getting a device before they could get one themselves. There was also a world wide call for an end to war and weapons of war, just like after WWI.

tiredofhypocrites-794827,

My father fought in Europe and North Africa, he made the Normandy Invasion and stayed there for the duration. His being deployed to the Asian/Pacific Theater was a reality, many had accepted...

Not like the rotating troops of today...

1. Revisionist history? see http://www.scribd.com/doc/23717234/Atomic-Bomb-Debate

2. The Manhattan Project was a secret program initiated by the United States government to develop the atomic bomb. It resulted from the apprehensions of American scientists that the Germans, specifically the Nazis, were aggressively developing nuclear bombs. Famous physicist Albert Einstein had written a letter to President Franklin D. Roosevelt to inform him about the Germans’ nuclear ambitions just before the beginning of World War II. He concluded that the world would be at a great risk if the Germans succeeded in building atomic bombs. Roosevelt gave approval for the formation of uranium research sites. Apart from the US, there was also immense contribution from the UK and Canada.

3. As the United States dropped its atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945, 1.6 million Soviet troops launched a surprise attack on the Japanese forces occupying eastern Asia. "The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through Moscow's mediation", said Japanese historian Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, whose recently published Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan is based on recently declassified Soviet archives as well as US and Japanese documents.^[145]

4. If the Germans had dropped atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them.[23]

IMO - The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.

Hindsight is easy but the Japanese had to be beaten decisively. Japan's aggression went all the way back to the 1930's in China and elsewhere. It was a tough call but it was risk thousands of allied lives in an invasion or get them to surrender.

@AC Robertson Your comments just display our total ignorance of the realities of WWII. The Japanese killed millions in China, we killed maybe 200K total at both Japanese nuclear test sites, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We killed far more in the firebombings of almost all major Japanese cities worth setting a match to. Your equating the two bomb drops to war crimes just demostrates that it probably would have been better if your daddy had died at Normandy. Hindsight is 20/20. I doubt if any of the millions of soldier, airmen and Marines who had been fighting for 4 years would agree with you if they had been in the position of looking at participating in the invasion of Japan, which would have taken place if not for the two nuclear test drops. I bet you wring your hands over the testing of cosmetics on rats and monkeys too, don't you? In truth, at the time, that is about how most Americans saw the Japanese. If it came down to the choise between losing another brother, son or husband, most Americans would gladly have dropped twenty nukes on Japan.

A.C. Robertson:

My father fought in the Pacific theater. His ship, the USS Curtiss (AV-4) was attacked at Pearl Harbor and received severe damage and men killed. His ship received seven battle stars for actions in the Pacific and the Curtiss was struck again at Okinawa by a Kamikaze killing many more. To say that he was absolutely relieved that Japan was nuked would be an understatement. He was chosen to retrain for Landing Craft Duty for the Invasion of Japan. Those two bombs saved perhaps tens of thousands of American lives while avoiding the direct assault of the Japanese main island. Apparently the Japanese high command didn't believe we had more than one bomb. Many armchair generals have suggested, since, that dropping the first bomb in Tokyo harbor instead of over Hiroshima could have sent the message without taking as many Japanese lives. Dad was a pretty happy camper. There was a good chance he might not have made it and of course I wouldn't be typing this message either!

It is always easy to judge the actions of military events years after the fact and when we have more knowledge of all related events than those that were on the spot at the time. Some fact that were known to the US military and political leaders at the time of the decision:

* US Marines sustained approximately 26,000 total casualties including 6,800 dead (about 33% of their available forces) in the taking of Iwo Jima, a very small island held by Japan forces who were already on a retreat status at the time.

* Japan is believed to have lost 21,800 in taking that same island.

* Iwo Jima was mainly occupied by Japanese military personal at the time of the US invading it.

* Japan was occupied by the majority of the total Japanese population

* The Japanese culture throughout history was one of major toughness and strong defensive nature of their territory.

* The Japanese has a bushido code of honor and was given propaganda which stated that the US soldiers were animals. This practically prevent a Japanese person from even considering to surrender in a conventional fighting situation.

It would have been very easy to believe, and most likely accurate, that if taking a small island like Iwo Jima cost 33% of the United States Marine force in the 36-day assault, that taking the main land of Japan would have been worse. The Japanese people would no longer be fighting for a military island of strategic impotence. They would have been fighting for their homes, wives, and children. The US would not have been fight only Japanese soldiers, but would be fighting ever man, woman, and child that would have picked up a katana. The end result, while most likely be the case of the US winning, would have resulted in millions of Japanese alone casualties on invading the Japanese main land, not thousands.

PS> Interesting note is that more Marines died in the 36-day assualt on Iwo Jima than the number of American soldiers who have died in 10 years of fighting in Iraq.

thomas-819915 - The powers that be were not even sure if little boy and fat man would explode

Once again those that NEVER worked in the Nuclear (Weapons) Field post nonsense.

Prior to the use of Little Boy and Fat Man, the implosion weapon (Fat Man) was detonated during the Trinity Test. The rapid assembly weapon (Little Boy) was so simple that a test was not even required, this design was later used in US Military Artillery Projectiles (W33, parts had to be assembled in the field) fired from a M110 E2 (long tube) Self Propelled Howitzer, the W33 was later replaced by the "New 8 inch" Nuclear Projectile (no assembly required).

As far as how many live that would have been lost on both sides during Operation Downfall:

http://www.ww2pacific.com/downfall.html

Truman was not a war criminal. He had data that suggested the loss of life for both the Japanese and Americans would have been much higher if we had continued with conventional land invasions to end the war. We would have had to push them all the way back to their mainland and then fight them there as well. It was accurately believed that the citizens would take up arms and fight us in the streets instead of surrender.

AC, so it would have been better if Truman didn't authorize the bomb and the estimated 1 million U.S. casualties and 10 million Japanese casualties had occurred? I'm sorry but considering what happened in places like Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa, I don't think any reasonable person, even if they knew how many people were going to die as a direct result of the bombs, would not make the same decision.

I think IPS has something like a 25% HS grad rate. That city is going down fast. They don't need a nuclear device, Indianapolis is taking care of that all on their own.

How true - I was going to say "No need for the complexity of a nuclear device - the teenage gangs are destroying downtown Indianapolis the old-fashioned way, by pounding the teeth out of the tourists."

sweet comment.. totally agree

Spectacularj1: Thats why if the arabs get a bomb and use it on us, which they would love to, it will be a major population center, like manhattan, new york, atlanta, chicago, los angeles. they wont waste a bomb on indy. now the superbowl, prime target for nerve agent of a 747. toasty.

Thomas, you are reading too many terrorist vs spy books. You expect that major cities will get destroyed. Just revisit our Cold War 1st strike charts. Where the real terror comes in is taking out Rapid City, Oklahoma City, Springfield (you pick the state), or Salt Lake City.

Write your thoughts down and try to sell them to Fox films or the video game industry. There is a huge market for your ideas.

Sierra, why those cities?

@ Save the Environment - Bomber and Minuteman bases.

And second of all I was just poking fun at Indy, can everyone calm down please?

The "hidden enemies" are very much real. The debate of security vs. freedom of information as been going on for quite some time but the answer isn't found in either extreme. Do you really believe that we would be safer if we released all our information? What would've happened if photos of a dead Bin Laden were released? Terrorist attacks on soldiers in the middle east would've skyrocketed out of anger.

Aw man, I wish I thought of that one!

But Baltimore had their chance over and over, but they kept voting down funding for a new stadium. Then, they were threatening eminent domain! I mean, were they trying to alienate the owner of the Colts?

Anyways, Go Colts! This Luck kid better work out.

Voting them out of office for conducting training exercises designed to ferret out flaws before a real event occurs?

Moron...

Ah Damien,

We had a chance when we could have supported that giant of fiscal responsibility Rick Perry, who wanted to dismantle the Department of Energy. Of course, just like you, he doesn't have a clue as to what they actually do. Would it shock you to know they run our nuclear weapon factories? Would it surprise you to know they have been very busy, especially after President Obama made it a priority, securing tons of nuclear materials from the former Soviet Union, Libya and many other countries to keep them out of the hands of terrrorists? Still want to fire them? I have a better idea. How about we fire you and Rick Perry?

Not really a waste. you would not believe the training fire, police and emt have to go thru. Try attending to wounded in a full chemical ensemble. And its interesting the training recieved is mostly the mistakes made so they wont be made if an event ever happens. you would not believe the look on first responders faces when they realize after all their bravado, that if their city gets hit, it will be all the other cities coming to the rescue. Them? They are already toast. Look at what hurricane katrina did to red stick. there were no crews they either could not move or did not have the right equipment, or they were not there. the response to a major weather disaster is differant from a nuke. say new york got hit. The responders would come from new jersey, (that outa turn their crank),. pittsburgh, etc. Not a waste of time. cause its going to come more than likely. And probably not from iran. they are not stupid, they will get some other islamikazis to do it. course when they are nuclear dust how exactly do you prove who did it. interesting question. maybe the cia has the answer.

Damien-1936345,

Think about what the Pacific Ocean would look like, if the Amphibious capabilities of the USA did not mature prior to and during WWII...

These operational and equipment capibilities evolved from the UK & USA 'War Games' prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor...

Mature 'Command and Control' capabilities are constantly being up-dated through the use of these Games and Exercises. This is required due to the ever changing capabilities, as new and old weapons systems evolve...

research - 'Higgins Boats'

thomas-819915,

We know the FAILURES of the CIA, but will we ever know of the successes???

Just in my life time the CIA's involvement in:

1. China's occupation of Tibet...

2. Bay of Pigs in Cuba...

3. Vietnam & Lao deployments of 'Agent Orange & bombletts.'..

4. Support of failed governments in Afghanistan, Central America, Iran, Iraq, Libya, etc, etc...

5. Support of Muslim extremist in Afghanistan, Bosnia, etc...

Need I go on???

CAL USA - Would it surprise you to know they have been very busy, especially after President Obama made it a priority, securing tons of nuclear materials from the former Soviet Union, Libya and many other countries to keep them out of the hands of terrrorists?

LOL. So President Obama was President during SALT, START, INF Treaty, etc..

You want to talk about President Obama's Failure, Libya: a. Billions of USDs of US Taxpayer Discretionary Spending (not Budgeted For by US Congress including paying for the Bombs, Fuel (Aircraft, Ship, etc.), Personnel used by NATO); b. The Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists aka "Libyan Rebels" (aka 80% being Al Quada, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Hezbollah, etc.) are now in possession of 20, 000 Shoulder Launched Anti Aircraft SA-7 Missiles to shoot down US Commercial Aircraft; c. The "Libyan Rebels" released President Obama's Guantanamo Prisoners from Gaddaffi's Prisons; d. The loss of the US European Allies Strategic Libyan Oil to the Chinese via Qatar; e. Loss of a Former US Ally Libya now a Fundamentalist Islamic Republic (like the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran); e. The Chemical Weapons of the60 bunker Hight Razma facility on the eastern outskirts of Benghazi and a 35 bunker facility on the eastern outskirts of Ajdabiyah no longer accounted for (also believed to be in the hands of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists); f. Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists now have a closer Mediterranean location to attack the US European Allies "Crusaders" from; g. lots of etc..

And you wonder why the US News Media is not writing anything about Libya and the Democratic National Committee removed Libya from President Obama's List of Accomplishments; just like they removed his March 2009 Policy (Failure, based on Results Worldwide, of course you don't know the Title of that do you), removed his deployment of US Military ABMs to Romania December 2011 as a Flip Flop against President Bush's planned US Military deployment of ABMs to Eastern Europe, and many other so called "accomplishments" also removed from list of accomplishments once the Results became known.

I have to disagree to an extent. People who are really intent on evil will prevail and will cover their tracks. They only have to be right once. Now for these dim-witted terrorist wanna-bees, you can bomb their IP address and their cell phones. Really, anyone that would stuff explosives in their underwear are not the sharpest knives in the kitchen.

In case you didn't know Dave, you can get locations on IP addresses and I can get close enough where I don't even have to use nukes to ensure I get my target. Now tech smart terrorists will mask their IP, but for the general public, that is how social media and Google know to show you ads for Moe's Tavern down the street.

True, but the IP does not give the exact physical geographical location (normally just the ISP) as opposed to talking on an active cell. IP's can also be spoofed. Also, kudos for working "Moe's Tavern" into the discussion. Very nicely done Sierra. Love it!!!

So explain to me, If I use a cell phone to call a 2nd cell phone. Soneone else sets the 2nd one to speaker phone and places it next to a 3rd cell phone and calls you while I am driving a car 12,000 miles away, Can you still identify the location of the 1st cell phone to track me? There in lies the flaw of your otherwise good idea.

The vehicle GPS tracker will do the targetting just fine.

@Jeff D-3771612

Vehicles dont just have GPS trackers like in the movies. Even if the vehicle has a GPS, chances are it doesnt transmit anything, it only receives.

say592 - Vehicles dont just have GPS trackers like in the movies. Even if the vehicle has a GPS, chances are it doesnt transmit anything, it only receives.

GM's North Star and all the others, end of arguement (unless you have a 100% manual on/off switch to kill all power including battery backups and storage capacitors).

Apple's iPhone Tracking embedded into Operating System.

dave-2173001 - True, but the IP does not give the exact physical geographical location (normally just the ISP)

President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural) included the without warrant cooperation of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to provide your physical address(es). That is how after the Termination of Osama Bin Laden, a child posted on Facebook a warning to President Obama that Al Quada would increase bombings against the US, the computers monitoring the internet more than likely picked up President Obama, bombing, Al Quada; so the Secret Service showed up at the child's school detained him and interrogated him without his parents present:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/secret-service-questions-teen-over-osama-bin-laden-post-on-facebook/1493

The ISP knows the exact address for every IP address even if they are dynamically assigned.

A cell phone with the GPS turned off can only be tracked to the nearest cell tower.

INDY 500!!!!!! What's wrong with you!?!?

Yes, but Tony George has pretty much nuked was the 500 was.

Sounds like a " War of the Worlds " screw up. Was Orson Wells giving the updates?

NEST is not trained on how to battle liberal policies and useful idiots expecting a hand out before accepting a job.......

And if you only knew how easy it is to build one .... and get it in ... you would really be worried.

"ps: The Federal government does not actually care what you say via the internet, unless you are paranoid enough to start a war."

Not true...a couple from the UK were texting a friend in California about a visit they were planning on making. The Brit said to her friend that "we are going to go (bar hoping) and we will kill". In the UK that must mean have a really good time. The UK couple were stopped at the border...Our federal government is monitoring all international communications whether you are on a watch list or not.