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Subscribe to RSSReports of violent encounters with U.S. Border Patrol are on the rise. Jesus Castro Romo was shot by a Border Patrol Agent while attempting to cross into the U.S. illegally. He tells his story to Investigative Newsource reporter Roxana Popescu.
NOGALES, Mexico – “They call me the soap opera guy.”
Jesus Castro Romo states his new nickname and gestures toward the small television in front of his bed. That’s where he spends most of his days, lying on his back in the bedroom he shares with his wife and youngest son, watching soap operas. Cartoons, too, and animal shows.
Ever since the Border Patrol agent shot him and the bullet damaged his spine, Castro has adjusted to a sedentary life. He used to drive a dump truck and do landscaping work. Now he walks with a cane.
“Now, I am more tranquil,” Castro says. “I think of my dad, my mom, my children, and everyone else. I am more conscientious about everything. Thinking. Here at home, locked up, I only have time to spend thinking and thinking.”
On this day, he moves to his covered patio that’s surrounded by chain link fence and drying laundry. He wants to share the story of his “terror” in the desert and his survival.
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About a year-and-a-half ago, Castro was trying to sneak into the United States through Arizona’s hilly backcountry when a Border Patrol agent on horseback spotted his group of about 12 travelers. They scattered. The agent zeroed in on Castro.
Castro claims the agent, Abel Canales, beat him, hurled insults at him and then shot him in the side before riding away. He says he waited in the desert for an hour and a half, bleeding through his clothes, thinking about his children and preparing himself for death.
An emergency crew arrived and airlifted him to University Medical Center in Tucson, where he had three operations. Once he was well enough to be released, he claims he was handcuffed to his wheelchair, was not allowed to bathe or use a restroom and was denied access to a Mexican consular official.
Lawyers for the government said Canales acted in self defense, that Castro tried to throw a rock at him. Canales’s lawyer did not respond to requests for an interview, and a lawyer for the government declined to comment.
Brad Racino / KPBS
Jesus Castro Romo's scar is a reminder of the border shooting, and the three operations that followed. He says he can no longer work as a result of his injuries.
In January, Castro sued the U.S. government, a gutsy move for a Mexican citizen who entered the country illegally. The lawsuit is about compensation for lost income, but it also amounts to a last-resort effort in a system where Border Patrol agents are rarely prosecuted for violence against migrants, and where current immigration policy, the political climate and the authority of border enforcement agencies often combine to enable Border Patrol agents to have the last word.
A months-long collaborative investigation among nonprofit newsrooms in California, Texas and New York examined fatal confrontations with border agents and found that at least 14 civilians have died, most of them shot, since Oct. 1, 2009. This despite declines in both illegal immigration and assaults on officers.
Statistics gathered from Customs and Border Protection and compiled by reporters show one fatality four years ago and two the following year. In each of the last two years there were five and four so far this fiscal year. The agency has declined to comment in these cases.
Border Patrol agents have been prosecuted for other crimes, such as bribery and corruption, in recent years. But trials are rare for on duty situations involving lethal or excessive force.
A grand jury in San Diego took testimony last week in the death of Anastasio Hernandez Rojas, who died after being beaten and shot with a taser in 2010 in San Ysidro. U.S. lawmakers called for an investigation of the agents’ actions after a new video of the incident was aired by the PBS national newsmagazine, Need to Know, in April.
The circumstances in cases reporters investigated for this project vary: Some of the dead were Mexican, others U.S. citizens and at least one was Central American. Some were trying to cross illegally into the U.S. for the first time – a misdemeanor; others were allegedly involved in more serious crimes, like trafficking drugs. But they all died as a result of violent altercations with Border Patrol agents.
Castro’s lawyer, William Risner, a straight-talking type with a crisp white mustache, is unabashed in saying Castro’s lawsuit is about money. But he also said it’s the only way to get justice.
Canales was suspended from the force without pay -- but not for his actions in this case. Last October he was indicted on allegations he took bribes to allow drugs and illegal immigrants to be smuggled into the U.S.
Even in cases where a video has captured an altercation at the border, there are generally distinct differences in what witnesses and law enforcement say happened. Castro’s case is no exception.
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Castro lives in a neighborhood called Colonia Esperanza, which is one mile south of the border as the crow flies. You can’t see the United States from his patio, but a quick drive brings the border wall into sight. His house, like others on his sloping street, is a pale pastel that stands out against the rocky hillside. That’s where he lives with his two children -- the youngest named after him, Jesus -- and his wife. He has two grown children from a previous marriage. He’s already a grandfather.
Many of the men in this border city of about 210,000, directly south of Nogales, Ariz., work in construction or other manual labor. Castro did, too. He started working on a “dompe,” or dump truck, when he was 14. Whenever work dried up, he would put his life in Mexico on hold, head to the U.S. for a job and then come home. He has been previously deported, but continued to return.
“I would go back and forth. I never tried to stay any longer,” he says. “My wife is here. I did not plan on abandoning her."
His wife, Ana Luisa Alarcon-Ramirez, is precise and articulate. It’s hot this morning, and she has pulled her long black hair into a twist. She finishes his sentences when he can’t find quite the right words, and she interrupts him to offer richer details about their life together. They are all sitting on the covered patio – Castro, his parents with their sad eyes, his fidgety children – as he tells his story.
Early on the morning of Nov. 16, 2010, Castro crossed into the U.S., illegally, he concedes without flinching, to get to Tucson for a landscaping job.
The hills north of the border are dusty and dense with trees and shrubs. Temperatures are disastrously hot in the summer, but on that fall day they dropped to a chilly low of 32F.
His group was traveling north, a mile or two past the border, when he spotted “muchos migra,” many Border Patrol agents. The travelers ran back down a hill they had climbed, toward the creek they had crossed and spread out. Castro says he imagined he would be safe, running back toward Mexico.
“We weren’t walking into the U.S. anymore, we were leaving. So we said, according to us, we were free,” he says.
“We all ran in different directions. Liliana, me and another guy ran ahead. Then Liliana went to the left, and the other guy went to the right, and I left towards the creek -- and it was me that the officer chased.”
Castro claims the officer called him names and started grabbing and pushing him.
“Take it easy officer, why are you hitting me? Why are you pushing me with the horse?” Castro says he asked. The officer allegedly continued to hit him with his horse and his reins.
“It was like when bees are all over you and you got them crazy. This is how he was hitting me,” Castro says.
Castro says he asked the officer to stop. The agent then said, “I’m going to shoot you,” Castro says. And when he cowered to protect himself, the officer allegedly shot him. When he gets to this part, Castro uses his cane as an extension of his arm, drawing on the cement where each man was standing – a few feet apart.
“And when I fell he was pointing at my head … and he told me ‘I am going to kill you, you son of a bitch. Don’t move. I am going to hit (shoot) you in the head,’ he told me.”
“His eyes looked like they were about to pop out, like if he was going to kill me. But at that moment I shouted ‘help’ and he turned and saw Liliana (a fellow traveler) on top of the hill. And, he said, ‘Oh, m*****f*****.’ ”
Castro says the officer asked him where he was injured and said he’d go get help.
He pressed a white T-shirt from his backpack against the wound from the .40 caliber bullet and waited.
When help arrived, by helicopter, other Border Patrol agents returned with the officer, who accused Castro of hitting him in the head with a rock, Castro says.
“I told him, ‘Which rock?’ Never did I grab any rock.”
A government lawyer declined to let Canales be interviewed, but in court documents the government argued that force was necessary again the rock-thrower.
“Agent Canales acted justifiably in self-defense to protect himself against plaintiff’s attempt to throw a large rock at him; moreover, plaintiff, who was suspected of committing the felony of illegal entry into the United States, was attempting to avoid arrest and Agent Canales was justified in using physical force to effect a lawful arrest and prevent escape.”
Investigative reports obtained by the Nogales International, the paper that first reported the incident, suggest Castro may have been a coyote. Risner denied that claim, saying his client was merely entering the U.S. to work.
At the hospital in Tucson, doctors operated on Castro to remove the bullet. Fragments had penetrated his spine, his discharge records state. He underwent two more surgeries and was discharged more than two weeks later.
That’s when the second ordeal began, he says. For days he says he was mistreated by officers. He said he was handcuffed to his wheelchair, denied prescribed painkillers, transported between prison and a hospital in a freezing car while still bleeding and not allowed to meet with the consular official who came to visit him.
“Then he handcuffed me again and I said, ‘Why do you handcuff me again if I can’t even walk, I can’t run.’ ‘No,’ he tells me, ‘it is safer this way.’ He shoved me into the patrol car handcuffed and all cut, bleeding,” he says.
In March 2011. a bus dropped Castro back in Mexico.
“They should pay for their mistake
Around lunch time, Castro swallows a fistful of pills.
One is for sleeping. Most are for pain – pain in the neck, pain in the back, pain along the spinal cord, deeper pain, shifting pain, pain where the bullet sliced through his side, grazed his spine and landed in his stomach.
He keeps his pills in a clear plastic shoebox. If he followed the prescriptions, he’d be taking 14 pills a day, he says, but he has been cutting back to save money. The pain is constant, and it will probably get worse over time, creeping like a vine along nerves in his back and down his legs.
Castro says he decided to sue to right a wrong.
“They should pay for their mistake,” he says. “They should compensate me for their error.”
In an interview in his Tucson office, walls decorated with a Mayan print and a vintage movie poster -- the 1949 Cold War propaganda classic “I married a Communist” -- Risner, Castro’s lawyer, explains his client’s goals.
“It’s about money,” he says. “That's it.”
Castro lost the ability to buy food for his family, send his kids to school. “He's been damaged economically,” Risner says.
“In addition, the Border Patrol could do a better job of checking their agents, training them better, actually do things to make them do a better job, where it's safer for the people they encounter. Those are possibilities. But, realistically it's just money.”
Castro tried working but almost crashed the dump truck. His has turned to his family for help. “One lends me money, then the other. That is how I go on,” he explains. He needs another operation that will cost 100,000 pesos, or around $8,000, he says.
His wife is now the family’s provider.
“He was in charge of everything and, well, now there is nothing,” she says. “I work, sell cakes, sell clothes in the flea market, clean houses, anything. I move around, bring things, take things up, get things down, everything, everything, everything.”
He used to see America as a place of opportunity, worth risks and sacrifices. Would he ever go back?
“No, not anymore. No more, for nothing. Americans do not like us. Even more so the officials (Border Patrol agents). The officials are racists who do not want us there.”
Tomorrow, we’ll walk you through what happens when a border agent fires a weapon and why prosecution is rare. With apprehensions down and deaths up, we’ll also tell you who is advocating for greater accountability.
--Spanish translation by Diana Crofts-Pelayo.
Deadly Patrols is an investigative collaboration among nonprofit journalism organizations Investigative Newsource and KPBS, in San Diego, the Texas Observer in Austin, the PBS TV-Web newsmagazine Need to Know and The Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute. The project was coordinated by the Investigative News Network, a national membership organization of journalism nonprofits.
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Maybe if you weren't trying to sneak into this country illegally!!! You wouldn't have been shot.
Lesson learned. Shoot to kill, don't shoot to wound. To all ILLEGAL ALIENS: stay out or get shot.
Exactly...and who does he think we are going believe? A border patrol agent out doing his job or an illegal alien?
Jesus, maybe I should sue you to get the money back that you cost U.S. taxpayers.
Shoot enough of them and maybe they'll get the point.
boohoo. I'm crying for you Mr. Criminal. Especially since you got hurt while committing a crime. Yes, yes I know we all feel bad for you.
That's the agent's excuse for shooting and then leaving a human being bleeding out for an hour and a half in the desert for trespassing? He threw a rock at me?
The people who made the comments above me need some serious attitude adjusting if they think shooting and /or killing people for trespassing or throwing rocks is rational.
Illegal Immigration isn't quite the same as trespassing Mr. Bleeding heart
Its called COMMON SENSE! Get caught in mex. and see what happens. You might get shot. If not you might wish you were! I dont care about the color of your skin or where you are from. IF you are here ILLEGAL..GET OUT!!! If you come here the right way...WELCOME!!
He should not have attempted to violate our Laws and enter the U.S. Illegally. The Illegals attack U.S. Citizens and U.S. Law Enforcement when they enter the U.S. Illegally, they should stay in Mexico. The Border Patrol apparently needs additional weapons training since this individual is still breathing. Since O'Bama refuses to enforce U.S. Laws it has become the responsibility of Legal U.S. Citizens who recognize that the U.S. is being invaded and protect the Border.
#1. He's a liar.
#2. He's a criminal.
#3. Have no sympathy.
The BP agents were on horseback. Do you think there is a chance that a horse being hit with a rock might throw the rider, seriously injuring or killing him or her? And even if the agent was off the horse, how big of rock did he throw, walnut, golf ball, softball? If I have a gun and someone starts throwing rocks big enough to disable or kill me, I'm thinking I'm shooting back.
Jesus learned a valuable lesson: Don't bring a rock to a gun fight.
I hope the case gets thrown out on Summary Judgment. The problem is: Will our government put up a defense against the law suit? I have no problem with prosecuting the border guards who take bribes to let drugs & weapons into the country. But, the border agents shouldn't have to worry about being attacked from both sides just for doing their jobs. Maybe if the illegals see that they have to worry about their very lives if they cross the border illegally they'll give it a second thought. Kind of like a robber at a convenience store, "I just wanted money, why did he have to shoot me?"
After reading this I am going to weep for days. Oh wait, I'm over it.
totally agree. What about Terry the Border agent who was killed by people like him. I don't feel sorry for him and we are paying his hospital bill. I am sick of it.
Hope Hayzeus reads this article about him. I am sure he will feel the love he will garner from this yet another MSNBC bleeding heart article.
So basically you're all saying that he deserved to be shot because he was doing something illegal? With that being said, would it be ok to shoot a teenager in the back after he was caught trying to steal something from a store? Especially if he changed his mind and put the item down and decided to run? The punishment does not fit the crime. Cops won't even shoot a murder suspect without first giving him a chance to surrender peacefully. This little dick border agent was clearly acting like an arrogant tough guy and only shot him cause he was down on the ground. Only a ball-less coward would do that.
culheath
I see we cross swords again...
I've a feeling that "rock" wasn't exactly a pebble.
It doesn't appear he "left him bleeding out" and just because it's a helicopter doesn't mean it arrives in the blink of an eye. Somehow I don't think there was a nearby intersection for the ambulance to drive to nor a place to simply land on the hill. How long would it take you to arrive just 30 miles from where you are at right now if someone called and said come get me?
Pats617
NO. He was a repeat offender, makes him a felon. He was resisting arrest and it APPEARS he was assaulting a LEO. He even admits they KNEW it was border patrol so no fear of being robbed... ok maybe there was...
@culhealth - cudos to you for saying the right thing.
The rest of you pretty much are losers who are clinging to guns! Haa!!
DAMN, what a pity party article!
According to this author this criminal should be sainted.
Travelers? Political correctness won’t work here. These people weren’t travelers, they were trespassing into a sovereign nation. This criminal knew what he was doing, he admits to doing it numerous times. Previously deported, but continued to return.
The poor wife, “precise and articulate, her long black hair in a twist”. This isn’t an article, it’s a novel. A BIASED article.
This is the convoluted thinking that many of the supporters of these illegals use to justify these activities. I’m sure he and his pathetic attorney will claim he was “profiled”. Of course it’s “intolerant” to chase the “Latino” looking guy when 90% of the illegals are Latino.
Jesus should have thought WWJD before he crossed illegally into the United States.
Sorry Mexico, we already have two Border Patrol agents murdered by your people, we won’t tolerate anymore.
Gee, I wonder what happens if a Hispanic immigrant approaches Mexico from the South and throws a rock at one of their Federale border agents ?? I bet not many are watching TV in the aftermath (kinda hard when you're DEAD).
Seriously, I'll take the statement of a U.S. Border Patrol agent over an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT 95% of the time, but this does highlight the need for better video capability to monitor our agents. The officer's horse needs the equine equivalent of a dash-cam so his (or her) conduct can be verified and if there is evidence of misconduct, especially in a shooting event, he or she can be disciplined and removed from the force if the incident warrants it.
How big was that rock, a ton, maybe a half ton?
I've known situations where illegals were spotted, chased, even though they were running back to Mexico, and in a couple of cases were between 50, and a 100 yards of getting back in Mexico, agents pursued them anyhow, just to arrest them, put them in the US Federal System, cost us, the taxpayers money for sometimes months while holding them, and than deport them back to Mexico. In a week or two, the illegals are back in the US. Good use of our taxes, huh. If they are fleeing BACK into Mexico, keep an eye on them, and let them go.
Do you honestly believe arresting them, holding them in jail for months on end costing US taxpayers billions, than, after holding them in jail for 6 months, deport them back to Mexico only for them to come back is doing any good. NO! But hey, for most of you, they are Mexicans, gotta get rid of them, just like Bush wanted to get rid of the Middle Easterners.
The "melting pot" wants to be "lilly-white" now.
To all of you calling for the death sentence and comparing us to other nations. WE ARE AMERICA. We are supposed to be the greatest nation on this planet!!! There-for, we are supposed to hold ourselves up to the highest standards possible, in what-ever we do.
Judging from some of the postings on msnbc, I would be forced to conclude that America is just another third world s**t hole!
trust_verify-
How would the border agent know he was a repeat "felon"? Does he carry around a binder with photos of them on his horse? And he wasn't resisting, he simply turned around and started running back like hell. I'm sure it was a reaction from fear of being beaten and shot. And after seeing the outcome, do you blame the guy for trying to run back? You think if he stopped and put his hands in the air, that the border agent would have gave him a pat on the back and simply cuffed him? I doubt it.
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#1. He's a human being
#2 In what court of law is he a criminal. How can a person be illegal based on where he/she is on this planet?
#3 Hitler found that if you blame your woes on people that are different than you a hyper sense of radical Nationalism is created. Welcome to his club.
#4 I've help people that are in this country with no documentation and will do so again.
"It was like when bees are all over you and you got them crazy."
And that is how the American taxpayer feels about illegal aliens. They are a frenzied swarm of killer bees that are overwhelming us. Castro couldn't have said it better.
I find it difficult to have much compassion for someone injured while trying to invade our country.
moshuluu
No moshuluu. The "melting pot" wants to be "lilly-legal" now. Take your bleeding heart to your sanctuary city.
Why dont you bleeeeding hearts sneak into mexico. OH, and stay! You probably DONT live near any borders and have NO idea how bad this problem is. IT'S BAD people!!! We have to stop this from happening! We have enough thugs in this country without more sneaking over. One day THEIR violence will be in YOUR backyard!!
Pats617...should be Patsy617! WE ARE TIRED OF BEING THE PATSY!!!!!!!
#1 - Yes, he is human. However drawing any conclusion as to his innocence based on a possibly biased news article is pretty foolish.
#2 - By definition he was an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. That violates the United States of America's immigration law, therefore making him a criminal.
#3 - Please, a hitler reference? People not liking immigrants goes as far back as the Irish.
#4 - So you admit to be an accessory to a crime?
Look I'm not saying "shoot all them daggum aliens, they took our jobs!" But the odds are this guy probably tried to bean this border patrol agent with a fairly hefty rock, was resisting arrest, and for all we know could have had it coming.
Now, to all those "Shoot on site types" Does that go for women and children too? You all talk tough, but let's see you put a child in your cross hairs and pull the trigger. If you're the kind of person that could kill children, perhaps it is YOU we should be rounding up.
I can understand beating him up, the guy is try to resist after all and needs to be subdued, but why shoot him in the side, then ride away?
If he really thought he was in mortal danger because of a rock, why didn't he keep shooting him until he was dead? I know that if I was afraid of dying, I would've kept shooting until he stopped moving.
It just doesn't make sense that he would shot him once in the side, and then ride away.
Also, FYI, illegally entering the United States is classified as a misdemeanor the first time it's done. So, if you think being shot and left to die is an accurate punishment for a not-so-serious crime, then you need to have your legs cut off for jay walking.
if shooting the illegals becomes policy they'll start carrying guns and shooting border agents more. it's not like guns are hard to get in mexico.
Brokinarrow
#1 - Yes, he is human. However drawing any conclusion as to his innocence based on a possibly biased news article is pretty foolish.
that goes for his guilt too, yet you aren't chastizing all the people assuming it are you?
Some Guy - Because proper law enforcement training includes proper use of force. This is pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing this guy didn't exactly keep trying to get up after he got shot. At which point the agent decided the threat was neutralized and rode off to go call the helicopter that picked the guy up and saved his life. And as others have stated, this wasn't this guys first time.
HATR - Try reading the rest of my post before chastising me there bud.
moshuluu, have you ever been hit with a rock that someone threw at full force? Damn things hurt. The agent was right in doing what he did, you know he could have killed him and been done with it. I wish all you bleeding hearts would go spend one week on the border, you may feel a lot different. Now we the tax payers have to pay a hugh hospital bill and this ass is going to try to sue us!!! I feel sorry for no one who " sneaks" into this country and gets shot or even killed.
How do we know HIS story is true?? After all he started this by breaking the law!! and everyone knows that this is a sue happy society. Get over it and dont come back is all I have to say!
OH MY GOD!!! Feisty said something that makes sense!!! KOODOS!!
"Castro says he decided to sue to right a wrong"
Maybe the new question should be...can we citizens of this country sue illegals for coming to this country ? No one asked this guy to sneak into the USA..this is outragous to think an illegal can sue for being illegally in this country. I wonder if the same thing can be done sneaking into Mexico.....somehow I doubt it.
If you guys had read the whole article you'd know that the border agent has been indicted for taking bribes to allow drugs and illegal immigrants to be smuggled into the U.S. These crimes are more serious than entering the country illegally. But all border patrol agents are heroes, right?
I have absolutely no sympathy for this guy...these trespassers come up here and steal our social security numbers which causes those of us that have been victimized by this, leaving us a huge mess to have to contend with. Our border patrol agents risk their lives on a daily basis.
We should train our border agents to be better shots.
wanna bet his suit will end in some sort of payment too? Reminds me of a story I once heard about a guy breaking into an old woman's home through a skylight and the suing her (successfully) because he fell on a knife and hurt himself.
Clearly the lady should have known that criminals may enter through an open skylight and made sure they had safe landing grounds (sarrrrrrcasm)
Guilty until proven innocent huh? The "ILLEGAL", by his OWN admission IS GUILTY!!
These agents are silly wanna be's. 12 people ran and he zeros in on one. Same as police work. Keep the perp on the run the what a policeman on horseback should do. Picking one out if they fall . Keep distance when your alone . Update report every 1 miniute while keeping them in sight.
Pulling your gun is never a good idea on horseback! As for you " immigrants are criminals they should be shot". Crowd. STFU already!!
Lousy police work and even stupider cops put us all at risk. Another thing, not one of you whiner could turn in a days work like a Latino man or woman. That on your best day....lol
Brokinarrow
Nobody is saying “shoot on site”. This BP agent confronted 12 illegals “trying to sneak into the United States through Arizona’s hilly backcountry”. As much as this powder-puff piece article tries to portray them as “travelers” they’re not. They didn’t choose this part of Arizona for its ambiance and scenic appeal. They knew this was a good place to commit their crime of trespassing.
The instant Jesus, and his 11 “traveler” friends, stepped on our sovereign soil without authorization he committed a crime against not just the United States, but against every “legal” citizen. This is what We The People demand of our government. The Constitution and every State law affords us protection against foreign and domestic invaders.
The BP agent was alone against 12 criminals. They were not vacationers that got lost, they weren’t on a sigh-seeing tour, they were criminals. His job is to prevent them from entering. If they resist he can and should use whatever force is necessary. I, and YOU, should demand that.
Your convolution of the women and children issue isn’t valid. Women and children are less likely to be a threat to the BP agent’s safety. Regardless of that the BP agent isn’t abandoning a ship here, there is no “women and children first” rules on the border. You don’t let them in anymore than you do a male.
Perhaps you should be more concerned about all the legal children here that are being killed by the violence, drugs, human trafficking and and other crimes the illegals cause.
The article states 14 illegal immigrants were killed dating back to 2009. I was hoping the research went a little deeper and gave us some stats on how many US citizens were killed by the illegals. I'm guessing it's more than 14.
Jim Spence - What comments are you reading? Like the first 12 comments are all "we should shoot ALL the illegals that try and cross!" That type of mentality is everywhere on this board lol. So I'll repeat my question - would you people that are saying "shoot on site" also condone the killing of children that are crossing with their parents?
Jake, GO BACK TO MEXICO!! You speak as a fool!!
This fool had already been caught and deported several times. It makes me wonder just what his "work" was that he needed to run back and forth across the border so often. Drug mule maybe? He calls Americans "racists" because he isn't supposed to be here unless he crosses into our country legally. He has proven he has no problem breaking the laws here but we're supposed to be nice to him while he's doing the crime. Exactly what did he expect, a back rub and a cup of coffee? He knew crossing the border like that is illegal, he knew "working" here without papers is illegal. He knew clocking someone with a large rock is illegal. But now he wants us to pay him? Next time he pulls this I hope the border patrol has better aim.
No sympathy for him at all, and I'd be willing to bet he never pays his hospital bill either, he's leaving that up to the American public.
What most people fail to recognize is the fact that an "illegal" immigrant has no record to trace them. If they kill, rape, rob etc... they cannot trace them as an American would be.
All they have to do it hop the fence and the police are still looking for some guy in USA.
What kills me is he filed a Lawsuit! WTF is that!? Our laws suck man. The criminals (NOW IMMIGRANTS) are protected and have more rights than the victims in this Country. Ugh!
If he wins this case then you'll see more of them come over risking injury so they can win legal suits. Wow, it's not enough that we have to shoulder the burden of the illegals being allowed to remain here as it is. Then we'll have to compensate them for their troubles for entering our country illegally to boot.
I have never seen a more biased article...oh wait...I see them every day from NBC!! This is insane, the guy is a criminal and is suing for getting hurt while committing a crime! Plus, he is a repeat offender. And to think there are people on here who actually defend him...boggles the mind. I think it has to be a case of too much of the obama kool-aide. I have an idea...dig a moat along the entire border and fill it up with that kool-aide!
Honestly I don't know what's worse, this illegal alien wanting sympathy from people in the US with his sob story or the idoitic liberals here defending his illegal activity.
Whether it's msnbc.com or now nbcnews.com they will always have this comical crap on here to make the big tough USA look bad and the poor smelly mexican the victim. Don't these writers and editors of this alleged news orginization realize that most of the people in this country do not want these illegals here and don't care about their sob stories?
Why couldn't that border patrolman just have shot him in the head and done us all a favor.
USA/Canuck, How about kroks in the moat? BIG MOAT, BIG KROKS!
Alright ... so does this mean all Apache, Navajos, Comanche and likes should acquire guns and start shooting everybody else?
What a bunch of cowards who know nothing better than shooting poor mexican trying to cross borders for economic reasons.
USA/CANNUCK,
Right. It's like someone breaking into your home, tripping over something and suing you because he got hurt. It sounds far-fetched but it's been done. In one case years back (I can't exactly remember) the crook won and his defense was the mat at the front door said 'WELCOME". So if anyone thinks this illegal can't win a lawsuit, I wouldn't put money against it. There's too many shady lawyers and too many judges who side with them. I'm betting there'll be some sort of monetary settlement. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
PJ1795048...Does PJ stand for poor judgement? Just asking.
Just a few points.
Most lazy Americans couldn't survive without illegal immigrant labor.
The US federal government has created this immigration mess by destroying economies and organized labor in these Central and South American countries.
The corporations that control our so called elected officials rampantly use illegal immigrant labor.
Illegal immigrant child labor is rampant in America, meaning an American has kids as young as 5 work long hot hours in fields.
Don't fear freedom, don't be naive, be more critical.
"Just think, now you know, you gotta know to be a hypocrite." - Wasalu Muhammad Jaco
Brokinarrow
Nice try at distortion. The comments here are in context with this article. Your attempt to make it a "shoot on site" issue, meaning that just seeing someone should result in being shot, is disingenuous. Nobody here, or anywhere, condones that.
Having said that I'll repeat my statement, "If they resist he can and should use whatever force is necessary."
This article's nauseating pander for sympathy for this IMMIGRATION LAWBREAKER is mind-numbing! He already received free medical care in the U.S. --- I hope to H#LL he receives $0.00 in damages!
Where is the sympathy for the border patrol agents who are under constant threat of violence from the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS?
Where is the sympathy for the American landowners and ranchers on the southern border who are under constant threat of violence from these ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS.
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE! Obama's (for whom I voted in '08) recent pledge to grant executive amnesty to ILLEGAL ALIENS will only result in emboldening more LAWBREAKERS to violate our laws with impunity. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS INTOLERABLE!
It appears to me that the border agents need more target practice.If was a better shot then we would not be paying for this slimeball's medical bills and it would be sending a message that we are serious about better border control.
jim, actually it is condoned in the second comment. it says to ALL illegal aliens, stay out or you will be shot. it makes no distinction between men, women or children.
Why do Americans complain about insignificant amounts of tax payer money, like the medical care given to this man, yet we don't say a GD word when our federal government spends TRILLIONS of taxpayer money for the global authoritarian military empire ?!?!?!
Or any of the billions and trillions of dollars wasted by our federal government ?!?!?
It makes NO SENSE !!!!!
HATR_HURTER, I hope you find peace one day and release all that poisonous hate in your heart.
If your comments reflect your actual beliefs, that way of thinking will eventually come back to you tenfold.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
This anti-American puff peice is a perfect example of why Microsoft dumped MSNBC in the gutter where they belong.
Hopefully this criminal will be held responsible for his medical bills and the defense legal fees... surely some of his 13 other accomplices will help him out.
Jim Spence - Ok buddy, go read post 1.1, 1.3, and 1.7 for starters. There are plenty of others just like those with people seeming to think shoot first ask questions later is perfectly reasonable.
I'm supposed to feel SORRY for this guy??? The author should have known better.
Absolutely amazing the total lack of humanity exhibited here. Does crossing the boarder to get work equate to getting shot, NO, it does not.
How much can you trust what the BP agent said, remember, he also took bribes to traffic in drugs.
If the POS Republican Congress would do something about immigration reform and we could allow people who live in Mexico to work in the US, legally, we wouldn't have the problem of people being here illegally.
That IS the key to all of this, these are PEOPLE, not just "illegals." Calling them something else might ease your consciense, but they are still PEOPLE who need to be treated with respect due any person.
skunk - "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
No. Eventually all those who are despicable enough to take an eye in the first place become blind and then the world no longer has to fear having an eye taken at all. When those who are despicable enough to take an eye are allowed to keep their own (or even profit from it as is happening in this case) then more and more people become eye-takers.
Simple, easily-repeatable sayings often don't reflect reality.
I am a liberal and i totally support the border agents.
I don't know why people assume that being socially liberal is the same as being soft on illegals ....
Shoot to kill?? Really??
This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. Being an illegal alien isn't so terrible a crime that shooting should be the response.
Arrest the man and send him back. Anything else is anti-American.
superskunk, i don't think you read what i wrote and if you did, you misinterpreted it.
pjam09, I don't think you understood the quote at all. The conditioned response that something simple, whether it be words or actions, cannot affect reality, or doesn't reflect reality is just naive.
You should try to be more critical instead of fearing freedom.
Give Paulo Friere's Pedagogy of the Oppressed a read, it will explain most of your fears, doubts, and reservations.
You're right, HATR, I misinterpreted your comment as your thoughts, you were responding to Jim. My apologies.
they should stay in their own country and try to make it better...it's our country regardless of what the politicians say...not come here and make ours worse...shoot to kill at the border...
Bart - I disagree. It is a matter of this country's survival. The punishment or risks need to be large enough to deter people from trying to sneak in anytime they want.
Nobody in the world has a god given right to immigrate to US. US does not have any obligation to open the floodgates to all and sundry.
Bart, When they come back again, arrest them and send them back again, and when they come back again...
I agree as long as you're picking up the tab yourself.
bob fu its much more then 14, since 2009 there have been 279,314 legal citizens murdered by illegal aliens in criminal acitivities though out the united states.
You must have missed this part of the article:
The circumstances in cases reporters investigated for this project vary: Some of the dead were Mexican, others U.S. citizens and at least one was Central American. Some were trying to cross illegally into the U.S. for the first time – a misdemeanor; others were allegedly involved in more serious crimes, like trafficking drugs. But they all died as a result of violent altercations with Border Patrol agents.
As a former 'illegal', now naturalized citizen, I have mixed feelings about this.
(Note: I was adopted internationally (legally, my parents paid all the fees and filed all the paperwork with INS) as an infant, was never told before Dad and Mom died in a car accident, found out years later when USCIS lost my adoption paper and came to me looking for a copy. I responded to their 'papers, please' request with 'what papers? I wasn't adopted!' and they decided that made me 'illegal' and detained me for three years until I located my adoption paper--couldn't deport me because I was undocumented, abandoned as an infant at an overseas orphanage with no birth certificate so I had no 'home country' to be deported to.)
Yes, this guy was illegal, and he admits it. The details of what actually happened out there in the desert isn't known, and most likely will not be unless one of the Border Patrol's drones was n the area--and even then we probably won't know because 'transparency' is not in Homeland Security's vocabulary. Having sneaked across the border knowing that he was doing so, and having done so before, he IS a criminal and I doubt he will get anything from the lawsuit, and honestly, I don't believe he should (mind you, this is coming from a former 'illegal'.)
However, that being said, everyone deserves human rights. No matter who you are, where you are, and what you're doing, you should be guaranteed human rights. The Constitution of the United States says "No person shall be deprived of life liberty...without due process." It doesn't make the distinction between US citizen, illegal immigrant, undocumented (like me) or terrorist. It says 'no person'. In the deportation camp I was housed in for three years, when I mentioned that to the guards they placed me in solitary confinement for a week.
If anything, cases like this signal the need for immigration system reform. Immigration law enforcement has a clearly displayed disregard for human rights--look at all the complaints Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch has for US deportation camps. As a former deportation detainee, I can tell you that those complaints are true; inadequate clothing, food deprivation, sleep deprivation, physical, sexual and emotional/mental abuse, and there is no recourse, no avenue to redress wrongs--I cannot sue Homeland Security for what happened to me in the deportation camp; if I do they can strip my naturalization from me and put me back in deportation, this time permanently. The Patriot Act indemnifies Homeland Security from being sued because they are acting in the interests of national security. And per the highlighted passage in the article above, several of those shot by Border patrol WERE USCs (citizens).
However, this should also be clarification for those who claim that our border is wide open, not being patrolled, that people are allowed to simply walk over it, that nothing is being done about the illegal immigrant problem.
It will also serve as a warning to others who may be thinking of hopping over the border, as if knowing about the human rights abuses in US deportation camps weren't enough--DON'T DO IT!!! THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!!!
The border patrol in Arizona pushes hatred of anything Latin. At least they did that in the mid 90's during training of new recruits. A fellow manager left the company I worked for to become a border patrol agent. After two weeks of training he called the company to see if he could get his old job back. Once back he shared his two week experience with all eight of us managers during a meeting. Stated he spent days upon days listening to teachers dehumanize Mexicans coming across the border for work. No surprise that the agents target practice with the unarmed ones all the while taking bribes from the ones with guns in their hands who are drug traffickers. No surprise at all. Once you dehumanize them, like the South does to African Americans, it is easy to kill them. The ugliness of our country is the irresponsible use of our guns.
Amanda,
I didn't miss it, but was merely pointing out since 2009 the number of BP killings, no matter that 1 life is too many, pales in comparison to the number of deaths and other violent crimes some illegals have inflicted on US citizens. I really feel compassion for what you had to endure and are glad you found a way, legally, to become a citizen. I also believe we need immigration reform, but amnesty for all is not the answer. I sure hope a 15th death can be avoided.
Police officers who are in the process of apprehending criminals in this country don't SHOOT them. Why in the hell is it OK to shoot someone trying to cross the boarder who is running away even if they're illegal?? I think the corruption probably runs deep and judging by the comments here, THIS is how they get away with clear excessive force. How have we (as a country) lost our humanity in such a way that we cheer for people to be shot or even killed in this way?? How many of those cheering this on are the hypocrites sitting in church on Sunday? How do you make the decision to believe a boarder agent who's suspended without pay for taking bribes over a man who's being honest about why he was crossing the boarder, that he's done it before, etc? It's the color of his skin and the fact that he's from Mexico that makes that decision, even though the agent is clearly a dishonest person. He doesn't have a problem with people coming in to smuggle drugs, etc. as long as he's paid obviously.
As far as all the "jobs" being 'taken' by illegal immigrants, just what jobs are these? Day labor jobs? C'mon. These aren't college educated people taking high paying jobs. These aren't even people taking entry level jobs. These are people who work in menial labor. If you're not able to work because you can't find a menial labor job, then you're not looking hard enough or maybe you need to go to COLLEGE and get a better education for a better job. Our teenagers have jobs. They have no family to support. The majority of the world is in an economic crisis, some places worse than others. Of course people are going to do whatever they feel they need to do in order to survive and feed their family. Thinking they deserve to be killed for doing so?? I hope you can appreciate the irony in the situation that each and every one of us (except for native Americans) had relatives come here from other countries. Some legally, some not.
Mexico has had some serious issues in recent years with the drug cartels and an impotent government that can't seem to control it. This leaves the citizens in that country with some hard choices and a difficult life. More difficult than most of us can fathom. I know the word "compassion" is a word most Americans are unfamiliar with anymore, but this needs to change. Arresting someone for crossing is one thing. Shooting them with a large caliber gun is another. Arizona is turning into the wild west and it's sickening.
"About a year-and-a-half ago, Castro was trying to sneak into the United States"
Castro caused his own problems. I can't believe this human garbage is now suing the US. Obama will probably tell Holder to pay up.
really annabanana? i have a friend that is a retired border agent. she now owns the general store in our town. she says that is bull pucky what you just stated. your friend might not be telling the truth maybe he washed out of training and was kicked out. so hes is covering his butt with an untruthfull story.
Amazing, so many people here celebrating this shooting.
Rednecks with guns.
This is why there is so much pressure to implement stronger gun control. Many of the posters here, should NOT be allowed to carry guns.
I think all illegal aliens should be shot. They have all been told to get out and won't.
Open hunting seasons for them, and the problem will end sooner than later.
i got a big ole gun dang mexican rape a girl down the rode...they think he went back to mexico...if he comes to my house i'll send him to hell...
You talk about Mexicans like they are animals.
They are trying to feed and clothe their families.
They are committing a crime, and you think this is a capital offense.
I hope you don't own any guns.
We can do it...Really? WAY OFF ISSUE! Wrong BTW also!!
The ANIMALS are the ones running guns and drugs!! NO not all are BUT they are here "ILLEGALLY"!!! No common sense what so ever!!
The guy caused his own problems. He could have pplied for legal means of working in the states and did not. He chose to sneak in and steal the food off of the plates of US citizens, legal immigrants and those with proper working permits.
U.S, citizens must carry proof of citizenship when crossing into Mexico. Officials of the National Immigration Institute, posted at border entry points, require a passport, birth certificate, voter registration card, or any other document that proves citizenship. This is a change from the past. The law applies to all border cities, and is an attempt to implement uniform immigration laws on both northern and southern borders.
On returning to Texas from Mexico, a stop at U.S. customs is required, stating nationality and declaring Mexican purchases.
A Mexican tourist card is required for visiting Mexico beyond the border cities, or for stays longer than 72 hours. The free tourist cards are available from Mexican immigration authorities at the border and also at Mexican consulates and Mexican government tourist offices in the US. A birth certificate or other proof of US citizenship, such as voter registration, military ID showing place of birth, or passport is required to obtain the tourist card.
Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents.
Glad he recalls the incident, just don't forget it either!
jag, so when the educated ones start sneaking across the border and maybe taking your job, will you then be a little concerned. You don't know what really went on, but like others you are quick to judge.
This convicted criminal attacked a duly authorized law enforcement officer when caught committing a crime. The officer shot him in self defense. If any citizen in this country, in New York, Chicago, St Louis, etc attacked an officer while he was trying to arrest them, the result may very well be the same as this idiot got. So this criminal is now sueing because the officer defended himself. He may just win his lawsuit, but before he gets a dime, he needs to pay for the medivac helicopter, the hospital bill, the transportation back to Mexico, and for the bullet the officer shot him with. And he needs return to the US (legally this time, what a change), to face charges of assaulting an officer (felony), resisting arrest (felony), crossing the borders illegally many times (felony). In 20 or 30 years, after he's finished his sentence and after he pays the state for his room and board for those 20 years, and pays all his related medical and legal bills, THEN he gets whatever is left over.
Wow, after reading some of these comments I can see how far humanity has fallen.
Illegal ALIEN is the proper term.
That is what is accurate.
Geeze I never seen so many people applaud capital punishment in such a way.... why don't we shoot everyone that breaks any law.... if you jay walk prepared to be shot you dirty law breaker, who cares if the punishment fits the crime.
According to liberals, we aren't supposed to call ourselves the greatest nation on this planet. According to liberals, we don't deserve the title.
That's a good little liberal!
Send the bill for the hospital visit and the Bullet to his residence. Lawsuit, give me a break. The only saving grace from this srticle is that maybe this man's story will resonate with the rest of the future illegals and keep them out in fear they may be shot also. That type of fear can go a long way towards security.
jag24659
So, when 80% of illegals entering our country are Latinos, from Mexico and Central America, who will the BP agents likely encounter, blonde haired, blue eyed Norwegians? When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck,,,
Your bleeding-heart emotions are overwhelming your common sense. Mexico’s violence and murders is Mexico’s problem. We have our own “serious issues”. Massive debt, 23 million Americans under/unemployed, millions losing their homes, economy collapsing and an incompetent government.
Americans are the most compassionate people in the world. We have, and still do, welcome immigration. LEGAL IMMIGRATION! We have a process that has worked for over two centuries for just about any man, woman and child to come here and benefit from our Liberty and opportunity. Illegals come to this country, take advantage of our system and think because we are tolerant that we are weak and helpless. That type of arrogance should offend all of us. We have hundreds, if not thousands of cases of violence, rape, robberies, murders, drug and human trafficking as a result of our porous border. No other nation has such laxity in its enforcement, why should we?
When someone crosses our border without authorization they are a criminal. You can parse your sympathies anyway you want, it doesn’t change the facts. We are a nation of Laws. When we start to allow our laws to be enforced arbitrarily based on emotions the only result will be more chaos and violence. Just like we see in Mexico.
I’m curious, if you’re so compassionate to the illegals plight, how many of those families do you have living with you that you are supporting?
We can do it,
What does gun control laws have to do with a border patrol agent who carries a weapon to perform his duty have to do with any of this? Other than his weapon was used to kill in the line of duty, per his statement. Sure there are, what you refer to as rednecks, but they are not the majority of legal gun owners. I suppose you think taking away the right of the people to legally own a firearm will deter crimes. I think criminals would love that scenario. Criminals don't usually obtain the weapons they use to commit crimes legally.
It's much better to own a weapon and not need to use it, than to not own a weapon when you need to use it.
ob fu
What does gun control laws have to do with a border patrol agent who carries a weapon to perform his duty have to do with any of this?
I was not talking about the patrol agent. I was talking about all of the "Kill the illegals on sight" people on this blog.
The Kill All Illegals people should not own guns. They obviously don't have the emotional control to own a lethal weapon. Maybe they should not be allowed to drive cars either.
Brokinarrow, how about this? You are awakened in the middle of the night by 12 people trying to break into your house, your alone and you don't know if any of them are armed, you confront them, one throws something at you, what do you do then?
Do you run out the back door? Is that what the BP agent should have done, was run away and just let them carry on? Or, do you protect your home from people trying to enter it illegally like the BP agent did? Or do you invite them in, even if you don't know them from Adam? How many of them are drug carriers, or does that not matter? How many of them WANT to be legal citizens and not illegal aliens? Is it the best way to start a new life in another country by breaking their laws? How many other laws do you believe they would break if they can't even follow the immigration laws?
How many people do you know, that allows strangers to just walk into their homes uninvited? Do you? You have to look at this in the same light, the borders are like the door to your home, if you leave it unlocked, don't be surprised if you have unwelcome guests walk in during the night, and who knows what their intentions are.
HMMMM! "undocumented immigrant"...HMMMM
Does that mean you guys call the drug dealers "undocumented pharmacist"??
JUST asking!!
ILLEGAL MEANS JUST THAT...ILLEGAL!! Now get over it.
To all the posts that claim Americans won't do the jobs illegals take, and they work so much harder. I worked in construction for over 13 years along side MANY of these illegals. I started out with a shovel in my hand like everyone else and i cant count the number of times i would be the only one pushing to get things done while they would stand around making jokes and poking each other in the a** with shovel handles and talking sh*t in spanish. I would gladly take on the chalenge of seeing who stops first for a break when it comes to labor, me or an illegal allien. As far as jobs Americans won't do, why was it i had to do the jobs they were asked to do but would play stupid and non understanding what was being asked of them. One minute speaking english and the next (oh i no understand).
It's called work ethic and you either have it or you don't, but being illegal dose NOT constitute a good work ethic. I have seen both good and bad on either side of the fence, being American does not instantly mean your lazy and being Mexican does not mean your a hard worker any more than wanting to seek a better life doesn't constitute a criminal, or not wanting to pay for those not paying their fair share and seeking a better life on the backs of those who due it LEGALLY make one a racist.
Talking points from either extreme simply falls on deaf ears. The only way this issue will ever get resolved is if real people come together in the center with an open mind and some realistic thoughts and ideas. Instead we get this kill on site or simply turn a blind eye to a real problem. Lets as a nation call upon our leaders to come together across the Ilse and come up with some real plausible ideas. The way we are approaching these hard line issues only benefits those who profit from the debate and continues to prolong the issue causing more extreme views on either side.
Just my thoughts.
I like how people try to justify shooting all illegals with a dressed up horror story like it justifies killing ever single person, man, woman ,or child that ever tries to cross.... sorry that kind of logic just doesn't work after u think about it for more than 10 seconds. Some of those people are just trying to make a life for themselves via the wrong means, not all of them are gang banging criminals.... they don't deserved to be killed.
We can do it
You mean like those stronger gun laws they have in Chicago?
Try to keep up Spanky.
We can do it,
My bad. I agree with you. USMC, 20 years and I still don't understand the "Kill'em all and let God sort'em out" attitude some on here have.
Bullets are cheaper than a fence.
"Maybe they should not be allowed to drive cars either."
Another rational gun grab argument.
We can do it stated:
"Amazing, so many people here celebrating this shooting.
Rednecks with guns.
This is why there is so much pressure to implement stronger gun control. Many of the posters here, should NOT be allowed to carry guns."
So, some good questions to you We can would be, how many people crossing the border are drug carriers? How is it, the citizens of this country can't just walk across the borders of other countries including Mexico, but it's ok in your book for the Mexican citizens to be able to do it here? Are you going to rant in any of the Mexican forums that we should be able to go into their country illegally?
OKAY, so, this guy isn't your typical illegal immigrant, so I do view this story a LITTLE differently than I normally would. He wasn't coming to the US to stay permanently: he was crossing the border to do some work, make some money, and then go BACK home to Mexico to take care of his family and feed his children. So I do at least think it's overboard in calling for the execution squad. That said, he still crossed the border illegally, and knew the risks in doing so. The fact that he ended up shot and that it will now affect him for the rest of his life is a consequence of his actions. His choice to go the illegal route instead of applying for a temporary work visa the very first time he came across the border was a stupid thing to do.
When I read some of these arguments on why we should have offered these 12 criminals a bag lunch with a nice cold water to drink it shows why so many citizens are so spoiled that they can't even see reality anymore. I saw something above asking what would happen if these same 12 tried to enter Mexico in the same manner and then threw rocks at the BP? Hmmm? Oh that's right, the way that we treat our criminals IS different because THEY are legal American citizens WHO HAVE RIGHTS UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION.
If these dirtballs want us to give them the same rights, then guess what? They have to be a citizen....which doesn't happen by criminally sneaking into our country by breaking laws.
COmommy - how is the border patrol to know what the intentions are of the criminal trying to get into the United States?
They can walk across the border into the United States with proper papers. If you don't like the requirements to get into the United States, go elsewhere. How many Americans are trying to get into Mexico illegally? If they do, they will be subject to the rules of Mexico. I have no problem with that.
I don't see them interviewing the US Agent. He as shot while committing a crime. End of story. If he had followed the law and applied for a work visa none of this would have happened. If this had taken place in Mexico with a US citizen being shot it wouldn't have even made the news. Why do another countries immigration rules have to be followed but not ours.
If suing the "government" doesn't work, this guy will sue the border patrol agent, his family, his friends, etc.
However, with the "Liberal" judges in SoCal, you can bet your bottom dollar that they will rule in favor of this Illegal Alien (Immigrant).
On the flip side, the U.S. Government should SUE the Government of Mexico for allowing Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) to jump the fence. There should be a Mexican Law which dictates anyone within 100 YARDS of the border to the U.S. will immediately be incarcerated.
Bottom line: SECURE THE DAD GUM BORDERS with authorization to the Border Patrol agents and local law enforcement officials to use DEADLY FORCE.
Amanda, it would be pretty hard to train the Border Patrol agents to be biased against Hispanics, since so many of them are Hispanic themselves...including the one who shot this guy.
Obama's policies are to blame: the DOJ almost always sides with lawbreakers and against law enforcement, look at the Border Agents Ramos & Campeon who served jail sentences for shooting a drug runner in the ass. The Obama DOJ works against local law enforcement too: they are trying to crucify Joe Arpio in Arizona for just doing his job. By not deprting illegals, the Administration has it ass backwards.
I can't speak to the part about the border patrol being racist ( most of whom are spanish/mexicans) but i do agree with his statement " THE OFFICIALS DON'T WANT US THERE" " AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE US"
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AT LEAST ONE ILLEGAL UNDERSTANDS NOW.
Do we have to shoot everyone of those ILLEGALLY coming across to get this message into their thick heads?
WE-DO-NOT-WANT-YOU-IN-THE-USA if YOU ARE ILLEGAL ....................Legally, no amnesty? OK
UUHHH ILLEGAL MIGRANT F$$KERS NO NO NO !!!!!
The shooting is a direct result of him being there ILLEGALLY.
Where is the problem?
NO Problem!
Amnesty for all is not the answer, but I believe that the line should be drawn at intent. The one who hops the border with the intent of entering illegally should not be granted amnesty; the child who was bought as a slave from a trafficker and wakes up in the US should get amnesty; the child who was adopted but the government lost a piece of paper should get amnesty, anyone who did not INTEND to come here but found themselves here through no fault of their own should get amnesty, and a choice to either stay or return to their country of origin if they so desire.
One person killed in haste by any Immigration law enforcement agency, particularly a USC, is too many.
One person killed in error by ANY law enforcement agency, civilian, government, or military, is too many. I saw a story on the news this morning--cops went to the wrong address and busted down the door, the person inside had a gun and opened fire, and died when cops returned fire. After the bullets stopped flying they found they had the wrong address and wrong person. Too late for the guy, he's dead and those officers, rightly, are in a whole heap of trouble.
Immigration LEOs should be held responsible for the deaths they cause and the human rights violated, whether citizen, immigrant, undocumented, or illegal. I'm not saying that they should be subject to a lawsuit from one who was clearly illegal, but violations of human rights should be punishable. Rape/physical/sexual/mental abuse should be punishable, especially in cases like mine. ICE should be held accountable for people who die in deportation camps too.
I was undocumented, not illegal. Missing an adoption paper. It's not illegal for someone to not be told they were adopted. Its not illegal to not have an adoption paper. Holding me in indefinite detention should have been illegal. Giving me food with maggots in it should have been illegal. Giving me underclothing still crusted with blood from another woman's period should have been illegal. Forcing me to strip, holding a gun to my had an pulling the trigger on an empty gun while screaming that I was a waste of air and space should have been illegal; having male guards perform strip searches and body cavity searches should have been illegal, having those same guards openly getting their rocks off while watching me in the showers or going to the bathroom should have been illegal.
And yet they weren't illegal because I was declared 'illegal'. These aren't civil rights I'm talking about, these are human rights that everyone should have. Taking our human rights, no matter who we are or what we've been accused of, should not be legal and the one(s) doing it should be held accountable.
Illegal, stay out. Period, end of story. Why all the talk?
it is way past time to close the border . this is what is coming . dont think anyone wants this , but it is coming . http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/03/narco-execution-videos-and-its-effects.html are you ready ? is this hope and change ? hope not and spend your change on ammo
I'm not american, so I often laugh at the idea that so many of you really do believe in american exceptionalism. A great many of them are actually liberals, believe it or not. Nice that you took the opportunity to tar them all with the same filthy brush though. Nothing like making a broad generalization based upon nothing but your own (ill conceived) preconceptions.
Btw, I agree that the comments on this particular thread are showing the worst of america.
Devil's Son:
You do realize these all apply to immigrants to the US?
Shoot to kill at the border. Shoot to kill at the border. There is no reason not to.
Think about what we go through to get on a plane and tell me why we let people wander back and forth over the border.
Shoot to kill. Prevent our country from being invaded. It is simple.
There was a story on Yahoo news this morning where cops in some jurisdiction busted a door down to arrest someone inside. The guy inside opened fire. Law enforcement returned fire and killed him. Only after the bullets stopped flying did they find out they had the wrong man and the wrong address. Is h an idiot for trying to defend himself against someone he thought was breaking in?Should the law enforcement officers not be held responsible for shooting this guy to death, because he was the 'idiot' trying to protect himself from an (unlawful, in this case) arrest?
If you kill another person, whether red, yellow, brown, white, black, citizen, immigrant, undocumented/stateless, illegal, criminal, innocent, child, adult, male, female, transgender, rich, poor, gay, straight, bi, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Satanist, Odinist, Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, or whatever other label you want to put on yourself or others--you should be held responsible. The law should be applied to identify mitigating factors but taking life should never, ever be cheap. Life is not disposable. Just because you were lucky enough to be born here does not make your life worth any more than someone who was not.
You're right you don't see reality anymore, because nowhere have I seen anybody suggest such a thing! Jesus Christ, you suggest that it might not be right to be shooting every illegal immigrant that crosses the border (because, you know, it's a little bit over the top) and the next thing you know you support illegal immigration, etc. Yeah, no gap in logic there AT ALL!!!
Amanda,
I do agree that human rights do get violated and in your case openly and I also find it dispictable. I can't and won't try to justify it. I didn't agree with the Guantanmo Bay policy and the way a handful, not all, violated human rights. I also tend to believe your situation is not typical and that some, not all should have been held accountable for their actions. Children, unfortunately, are exploited, kidnapped, and lost in the broken system. Their cases should be addressed case-by-case and handled totally differently than adults who knowingly disregard the laws on the US of A and enter against them. They enter illegally and should be arrested for breaking the law. I also believe, if the US of A were able to force the countries of origin to foot the bill for their citizens' detainment, countries such as Mexico wouldn't be so eager to look the other way. This will never happen, of course, because both governments, Mexican and American, are benefitting by not addressing the border issue.
Excuse me? I never said that. All biases like race, gender, sexual orientation, color, religion--those should all be done away with. Teaching Border Patrol to be biased toward race or color or ethnicity is against the Constitution!
The majority of legal Latinos here are disgusted against the illegal Latinos who are here because they see the illegals as being the reason the legal ones are harassed, marginalized, falsely accused of being illegal, detained and deported wrongly. What many people are forgetting is that we have 'illegals' of every race, every nationality, here in the US. If I were to take a business trip to, say, AZ with my Spanish speaking Puerto Rican coworker, she would be stopped because she speaks Spanish and I would not because I appear Asian and speak English. The reality is that she is considered native USC for being born in Puerto Rico, and I'm the one with the 3-year prison record with ICE. People are blaming ALL Latinos for the actions of a few; like blaming ALL birds for the one that pooped on your car.
Back in the late 1890's people were complaining about the 'yellow peril'--the Chinese/Asian workers that the railroad barons were bringing to the US in doves to help build the railroads. USC's were saying things like 'They are invading' and 'If this keeps up we'll be a Chinese colony' and 'We'll all end up speaking Chinese'. Sentiments like this caused the US to ban immigration from Asian countries, pass laws saying Asians could not marry whites, could not hold land, etc. Those laws stayed on the books until the 60's.
Now we're hearing the same thing--except now it's the 'brown peril'. 'They are invading'. 'If this keeps up we'll be part of Mexico and we'll all speak Spanish'. I think that if certain factions in the government have their way, those old laws against Asians will be re-enacted against the Latinos. I think people have forgotten the lessons the US learned with the 'yellow peril' and are going to repeat their mistakes with the 'brown peril'.
When are we going to learn that it is not the race that is the problem, but how we perceive them?
Excuse me? I never said that. All biases like race, gender, sexual orientation, color, religion--those should all be done away with. Teaching Border Patrol to be biased toward race or color or ethnicity is against the Constitution!
The majority of legal Latinos here are disgusted against the illegal Latinos who are here because they see the illegals as being the reason the legal ones are harassed, marginalized, falsely accused of being illegal, detained and deported wrongly. What many people are forgetting is that we have 'illegals' of every race, every nationality, here in the US. If I were to take a business trip to, say, AZ with my Spanish speaking Puerto Rican coworker, she would be stopped because she speaks Spanish and I would not because I appear Asian and speak English. The reality is that she is considered native USC for being born in Puerto Rico, and I'm the one with the 3-year prison record with ICE. People are blaming ALL Latinos for the actions of a few; like blaming ALL birds for the one that pooped on your car.
Back in the late 1890's people were complaining about the 'yellow peril'--the Chinese/Asian workers that the railroad barons were bringing to the US in doves to help build the railroads. USC's were saying things like 'They are invading' and 'If this keeps up we'll be a Chinese colony' and 'We'll all end up speaking Chinese'. Sentiments like this caused the US to ban immigration from Asian countries, pass laws saying Asians could not marry whites, could not hold land, etc. Those laws stayed on the books until the 60's.
Now we're hearing the same thing--except now it's the 'brown peril'. 'They are invading'. 'If this keeps up we'll be part of Mexico and we'll all speak Spanish'. I think that if certain factions in the government have their way, those old laws against Asians will be re-enacted against the Latinos. I think people have forgotten the lessons the US learned with the 'yellow peril' and are going to repeat their mistakes with the 'brown peril'.
When are we going to learn that it is not the race that is the problem, but how we perceive them?
This Is just an attempt by the media to gain sympathy for the illegal aliens but then they threw a monkey wrench in when they stated he was working in Mexico and wants to sue for lost wages. Well then why was he crossing into the U.S then? I suspect that the group of "Travelers" he was with were smuggling drugs
Blah Blah Blah! I was getting so angry while reading this article! Seriously??? Where's the article praising the border patrol agent for ...... PROTECTING THE BORDER????? He did his damn job! Kudos to him !!! Sorry, Mr. Mexico citizen but you are lucky we did those surgeries and saved your sorry ass. I'm sure you didn't pay for them, we did. You're welcome!
God Bless America!!!
Bush was trying to get a migrant worker plan approved as part of Immigration reform. It was watered down to the point of uselessness by senators Jeff Bingaman and Byron Dorgan, both democrats. So the democrats blocked it when they had the power to just like the republicans are doing now. Idiots, all of them. They all need to start doing the right thing instead of just kissing their party's collective a$$.
At least he admits "It's all about getting money". That's probably the only truthful thing he said.
By the way - The agent who shot him has a Hispanic name as well - so much for the 'racism' charge.
Here is my solution, as a former illegal, now naturalized US citizen. This is not blanket solution, by any means, I think each situation needs to be evaluated on its own circumstances, but I believe this is a good basic guideline.
1. Refine the definition of 'illegal'. Illegal should mean those who hopped the border, who dealt do drugs and shot a cop on the way. No amnesty no matter how long ago the incident occurred. 'Illegal' should NOT mean those who came here legally but ICE took 15+ years to process their applications. 'Illegal' should not mean those for whom ICE lost paperwork a decade after the fact (like USCIS losig my adoption paper.) 'Illegal' should NOT mean those who were trafficked in as children, either through international adoption by crooked adoption agencies, by legal USC pedophiles for child sex, by their illegal parents, or are refugees. Yes, I am advocating amnesty--for anyone under 18 or who was under 18 at the time the offence was committed.
2. Close the borders. Use the returning troops from the war to secure our northern and southern borders if necessary. Send out advance notice to the world a year in advance that we will be closing our borders. This will give everyone who wants to immigrate to the US time to get their applications in prior to the closure date. Stress to the world that we are NOT closing our borders forever, we are NOT going to become isolationists; we just need to get caught up on the paperwork backlog. Keep the borders closed for 2 years so ICE can catch up.
3. Use the time the borders are closed to catch up on the enormous backlog of applications waiting to be processed. For example, 2010, ICE was just getting to applications filed by Mexicans in 1994.
4. For those already in detention: prioritize the cases. Deport the truly 'illegal' first (see above definitions) then address cases for minor children, elderly/infirm, and terminally ill. Don't make those children wait for years in detention, it's inhumane. Offer them basic English language and civics classes while they are in detention so they will learn about our country; instead of penalizing them for their ignorance, offer them a chance to learn.
5. If you have a case of someone who came here legally but ICE has not gotten to their paperwork and time expired (undocumented), release them on electronic monitoring once they have not been deemed a flight risk. This will ease the overcrowding in deportation camps and make room for more of the truly illegal, higher-priority cases--ICE's own stats say electronic monitoring has a 98% compliance rate--98&% of people released on electronic monitoring do show up in court for their immigration hearing. A 2009 Associated Press article said an examination of ICE records showed that ICE currently asks Congress for $1.7 billion to detain 33,000 people per year ($141 per night) and 18,000 of those people were simply undocumented and had not committed any crimes, not even coming here illegally, they were people waiting on applicatons for asylum, etc. Do the math:
18,0000 people x $141 per night x 365 day a year=$926,370,000
Releasing those 18,000 undocumented, non-flight-risk elderly, terminally ill, and minor children on electronic monitoring would free up $926 million in Homeland Security's budget of $98 billion. That should be enough to hire more pencil pushers to get caught up on the backlogged paperwork and detain and deport more of the truly illegal in the 2 yr deadline above. Also add in the funds from the 'seized civil assets' the government takes from those who are detained and deported as illegal, that's a lot of money, definitely enough to get caught up on he paperwork backlog.
6. Improve conditions for those in detention. I'm not saying they should have bingo night and TVs in every cell. I'm talking about adequate food; no meals with maggots, please give us eating utensils, and please give us clean underclothes and jumpsuits; NO ONE should have to wear underclothes still crusted by another woman’s period. And adequate medical care; if someone is having a seizure don't tell them to fill out form for an aspirin. If someone is on medication for something please allow them to continue taking those meds. Look up the case of 'Victoria Arellano' for an example.
7. Allow non-violent ICE detainees out on a day-labor program. You do it for nonviolent offenders, why should we be treated any different? Sitting for 24 hours a day in a deportation camp does no one any good whatsoever. The detainee has nothing to do but go crazy; let us out to work while we wait for the judge to throw us out.
8. If the judge says they have proved they are a citizen RELEASE THEM. There is absolutely no excuse for keeping someone after a judge has ruled they should be released. Look up the case of US Marine veteran George Ibarra.
9. If someone says they have proof that they are indeed a US citizen or a diplomat from another country, INVESTIGATE. The law of the US is 'innocent until proven guilty', not 'guilty until YOU prove you're innocent.' Don't automatically assume that because the person looks Latino or foreign that they MUST be here illegally. Look at the case of Hans Keil of Samoa.
10. ACCOUNTABILTY. If one of us dies in ICE custody our legal US citizen relatives have a right to know if we have died! It won't matter to us, we're dead, but our relatives outside the deportation camp have a right to know we have died so they can claim our bodies and take care of us according to our respective beliefs. Even if you believe the 'illegal' doesn't have a right to Last Rites, not everyone believes so and if there are relatives willing to claim the body, they as legal citizens have the right to do so.
"7. Allow non-violent ICE detainees out on a day-labor program. You do it for nonviolent offenders, why should we be treated any different? Sitting for 24 hours a day in a deportation camp does no one any good whatsoever. The detainee has nothing to do but go crazy; let us out to work while we wait for the judge to throw us out."
Wow Amanda. Your incarceration really did takes it's toll on you. You wrote #7 as if you were still there. When were you released? How long ago were you released? Just curious.
Lawsuit, really? And when Obama and Holder decide to"settle" this case and give him money, does the hospital then get to sue him to get paid? The criminal received 3 operations over a 2 week period. That's 2 weeks in our hospital. The bill must have been tens of thousands of dollars (not like in Mexico. Have you ever heard an operation costing just $8000 in the US?). Since we have the most expensive (and best) medical care in the world and the criminal did not pay his bill, I'd call us even.
I can relate. I felt I was singled out of a group by the police once. When I questioned the officer why he singled out me in the line of speeding cars his response was,
"Do you ever go fishing?"
"Yes."
"Did you ever catch them all?"
"No. But at least I tried. And when I do catch them I practice catch and release."
He chuckled, ran my papers, and cut me loose.
breaking the law has risks, one of them being the possibility of being shot by enforcement officers. want to know a great way to avoid this? DON'T DO ILLEGAL THINGS! i had my confrontations with the law when i was running wild in my youth. i learned. i do not blame them for anything that happened to me, i blame myself. you alone are responsible for your own choices, and the repercussions of those choices.
You are absolutely right about that and thank you, by the way, for having a decent open discussion about the issue without resorting to name-calling and epithets--it's too common on here.
Here's the way it works on the US side.
Homeland Security asks Congress for $141 per person per night per year for each deportation detainee. That comes out to $51,465 per year. A private, for-profit prison run by companies like GEO group/Corrections Corporation Of America will offer to hold the detainee for $98 a night. That's $35,770. Homeland Security keeps that $15,695 extra and absorbs it into their budget of $98billion.
The private prison will cut as many corners as possible and pour the money into lobbyists, who in turn take the money and wine and dine mayors, governors, congressmen and senators and inflame the media, into passing more legislation that will keep their detainee population going. An example would be the NDAA for FY2012, which has a clause in it that will allow the US military to indefinitely detain any non-USC suspected of terrorism without charging them with a crime, without a trial and without counsel until the War On Terror is over. The clause originally said 'No person but President Obama said having this apply to USCs was unconstitutional and refused t sign until it was changed to 'mandatory indefinite detention of non-USCs'.
Then you see the Enemy Expatriation Act, currently passing through Congress. If passed, it will allow the government to strip citizenship from anyone suspected of terrorism (no charges, no trial) and have the US military hold them indefinitely. If you are an immigrant, you will be deported; if a natural-born US citizen, you'll be detained inmilitry custody until the War On Terror i ovr.
And we're not just talking people who build bombs. Homeland Security counts alternative media, lawful acts of civil disobedience,and Odinists (people who worship the Norse god Odin), in their list of terror suspects (because, of course, people are blowing up buildings right and left 'in the Name of the AllFather Odin!'
(As a practicing pagan, I know a few Odinists and they are angry at this labeling of them as terrorists--most of them couldn't be bothered to look up 'How To Build A Bomb For Dummies'--they are too busy playing Dungeons And Dragons and practicing for the annual Viking War reenactments!)
There are not just illegals from Mexico--there are illegals from all countries. My coworker's mother was adopted from Germany in 1945 as an infant, and Immigration at the time never told her parents that citizenship was not automatic with adoption. Last December, after 60+ years of living here and passing eVerify at work multiple times, she was informed by ICE that they just discovered the missing paperwork and rather than allow her to file the forms and become legal, she was deported to Germany two days before Christmas and all her belongings-- house, car, bank account--was seized as civil asset forfeiture, leaving her son--my coworker--homeless. She has to stay in Germany for 10 years before he can apply for her to come back--my coworker hopes that she will be back in time for them to celebrate her 80th birthday.
All these bleeding heart people who go on and on about let the illegals in if they want to come and work, when they are caught be much nicer to them and get them day jobs, make it okay to attempt to harm law enforcement if they want to, etc. Last year in the same area as where this happened, Border Patrol officers found and arrested 8 illegals sneaking into this country. It turned out that 5 of them were Al Qaeda plants coming to this country to wait for addition orders. Want to bet they weren't coming here to harvest lettuce? Or landscape someone's yard? The US has to secure it borders and keep track of those who came here legally with the infamous student visas and never went to school, or don't you remember what happened in New York in 2001?
What a choice piece of literature. It's hard to imagine someone would provide so many self-serving comments while minimizing their involvement in criminal activities. With the authors beautiful descriptions of the raven-haired mother, the beautiful pastel-coloured hillside home, the devoted father lying there thinking about his family, etc. I was caught up in the serenity of such a lovely scene. And then (music changes) onto the scene is a hard charging racist vigilante torturing a poor peasant migrant worker - whipping the passive worker with the reins and using the horse in an effort to trample him to death. And out of the darkness a helicopter crew comes to the rescue.
And then the officer further torments the worker while he was immobilized in bed and a wheelchair but nobody else in the hospital ever seemed to notice the worker being tortured. Nobody notices the bleeding of the worker of the bloody trail left behind as the officer brutishly forces him into the vehicle for his return to his home country that he loves so dearly.
The only truly obvious comment was the lawsuit was all about the money. I surprised the author left that comment in.
Let us not forget that over 100 AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS were RACIALLY PROFILED and then MURDERED BY MEXICANS at the Alamo in San Antonio and at Goliad in 1836.
MEXICO STARTED THE KILLING!
Thanks to OBAMA, the Latino's hand puppet, Mexicans think the border is their own easement to the United States.
CoRavensFan (#1.114): In response to your question, I wasn't speaking of the border patrol when I mentioned the "execution squad." I was referring to all of the angry, lets-have-his-head posters on this board. If he was shot by the border patrol, it's still on him because he knew and accepted the risks, and I think that's the part that you misunderstood about my post.
Interesting how much time and pathos were written into this article, coming from NBC. The same NBC that never, ever reported an American federal agent shot and killed by illegals out 'hunting down to kill' US Border Patrol. That agent would be Brian Terry and the guns found INSIDE the US border, came from an ATF program known as Fast and Furious. Not one whimper or sigh out of NBC on THAT particular story, nope, not a peep.
We are supposed to feel sorry for this man who was illegally entering the US. We are supposed to feel sorry for a man who has done this more than once. We are not to feel sympathy for law enforcement that are murdered and wounded by these illegals, that would not be PC, nor would it fit the agenda of NBC, the liberal agenda.
Well, after reading through the comments it would seem that most people aren't working up too much sympathy, nor should they. The liberal agenda is falling on deaf ears, primarily because most people are smart enough to realize that most of the illegals these days aren't coming over for work, rather, they are drug smugglers, bandits who murder, rape and rob and engage in human trafficking. So sorry, can't work up any sympathy NBC, perhaps if you had given equal time and equal articles to the people negatively impacted by the illegals, I would feel differently. Biased agendas disguised as 'news' aren't working too readily anymore, too many people, American citizens, are being negatively impacted by illegals for them to feel great wads of sympathy for someone like the fellow in the article. Notice that NBC never interviewed any American's to discover the harm they received at the hands of illegals?
Mexican child cuts finger with scissors.......Mexico declares national day of mourning.
So the illegal immigrant is sueing the US government in order to get paid. He said he was just coming here looking for work eh? And you beleive him? I say he was the coyote who was making the money by smuggling these illegals. He clearly admits to crossing back and forth on a regular basis. I also don't buy that the agent called him names and said stay still so I can shot you. But then again I'm not a bleeding heart liberal trying to give America away to everyone who decides they want to come here and take what we have created. Personally I think it's the duty of the American citizen to protect our borders and not our federal government. After all we are the only one interested in or well being. Not the feds or the illegals. They could care less how we fare. The American border should be protected using deadly force.
I have read this far on the comments, and I must say, I am pleasantly surprised. Yes, surprised and happy that people seem to be opening their eyes to what this problem with illegal criminal aliens are doing to this country and the citizens.
To those that wish to imply that we are racists, if that makes you happy, do it. If you can sleep comfortable at night knowing that our country is slowly, but surely being destroyed by people that come in here, overjoyed to take full advantage of the benefits while our own citizens are suffering and going without, do so. I for one, cannot understand that and to be honest, I don't WANT to.
For those of you that are seeing what goes on and want something done about it, I thank you. Maybe if enough of us can come together, we can and will do something about it.
Tell that TURD Eric Holder this man needs OBAMA to help him with some $$$$$ !!! He'll just take it from hard working middle income people like me !!
All of you people posting on here about how it's great to kill people trying to cross the boarder and complaining that the low level jobs are all taken are probably sitting on your butt collecting unemployment benefits. I hope you people don't have guns, because you're not mentally right. The US has gone down the toilet. Not because of illegal immigrants, but because of the US citizens and their loss of humanity, sanity, and violent tendencies.
the only people who want to make a bleeding heart pity party for these CRIMINALS are the people who are benefiting from exploiting them as cheap labor. unfortunately those people have enough money and power to influence what you see in the news and what you do not.
shooting and unarmed individual in cold blood is wrong. Just because this idiot is an illegal migrant worker does not make him any less human and believe it or not shooting him is a violation of human rights. him being an illegal migrant worker from mexico is not and will never be any excuse to make it ok to kill or shoot him. Some morals should be universal and i expect and outright demand our border patrole agents to adhear to international laws and the most basic of human rights. "We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certin unalienable rights. Among those rights are life..." This was not stated as only the rights of Americans but as a way we should live and value human life. If you do not believe in this you shouldn't live in this country. If i was an agent and saw another about to commit murder in cold blood guess who i would be pointing a gun at. Being conservative i also am conservative about what is right and wrong. There are things that should be engraved in the hearts of people .. I for one will always be standing for what is right regardless of popular opinion and those who got a problem with it well.. "I'm your huckleberry"
Go ahead and collapse me now. I'll just boil it down to "it could have been handled differently", this agent was a criminal himself and I'd never believe a word out of his mouth. He should be tried for treason. Bye
"lilly-legal?"
What the hell is that? LOL, all of a sudden after 236 years you want to be lilly-lega? Well, I'll be damn, let's start by giving America back to the American Indians.
He was committing a crime ! Seems to me that anyone sneaking across the border should understand that they could get shot or imprisoned. Don't want to get shot ? Don't break our laws and sneak across our border, seems pretty simple and clear cut.
So you support the same policy against children that get brought across the border as well Feisty?
So TNRebel supports murdering children. Murdering, because that's what it would be. I can fully understand shooting someone that poses a threat to the border patrol agents (as was probably the case in this article) but murdering children is where MOST decent human beings start drawing a line.
brokin.....what about the guy running from the police with kids in the car? Car crashes and kids die....is it the policeman's fault? NO!!!! It is the fault of the parent that dragged the kids along....same thing with your idiotic scene.
Noooooo, because in my scene the border agent would actually have to AIM and PULL THE TRIGGER with a CHILD IN HIS CROSS HAIRS..... in your scene an idiot crashed his car with his children in it, which is a shame. I know this logic and reason stuff is difficult, but come on....
Looks like Fiesty and all of the others are in favor of setting up internment camps and shooting PEOPLE who are here illegally.
Do we set up ovens, or just dig REALLY big trenches. Remember, we're talking about over 10 million PEOPLE here.
Is that the "final solution" to the immigration issue ?
Over 10 million, kind of makes Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot look like wanna be's.
This is just the imperialist attitude: we are the best in the world so we can do whatever we want.
Well, America is losing its dominance quickly. I wonder when we all try to sneak into Canada, will shoot to kill be okay then?
shoot the children no , but you can sure shoot the parents and send the kids back with a vivid lesson imprinted in their minds.
WOW dirp, spectacular post !
Prehaps Tomahawk cruise missles would be the answer. Just as obama had done in Libya. Yes children will die as they did in Libya, however; the mission would be accomplished!.
Do we have a Mexican thug/Trayvon issue now?
Eric - That's how terrorists are created... just sayin.
Dirp,
Apples and oranges. Hitler was the invader. Genocide is a little different.
well brokinarrow we already have illegal terrorists in this country just look at the gang activities and drug cartels effects on legal US citizens. since 2009 279,314 legal US citizens have been murdered by illegal immigrants. sounds even worse then 9/11 to me.
Dasvet,
Please explain?
First, man I have to say, this is a frenzy of haters. I read the article, I understand the circumstances. A couple of things I'd like to point out, and hopefully my comments won't be collapsed as it seems most trying to defend the illegal and the methods used against him are.
I agree he was doing something illegal, there's no question about that. As to the repeat offender angle, the border patrol agent knew nothing of this. This man was shot for throwing a rock? Really? What kind of idiot throws a rock @ someone that is armed w/ a firearm? Do you really buy that story? Would you have done that? If you say yes, I wouldn't believe you, and neither would anyone else. Ask yourself if you'd do that given the situation? I also saw a comment about believing a border patrol agent before believing an illegal. Really? An agent that's been indicted for taking bribes, and you'd take his word? I sure as hell wouldn't. It sounds like this man risked capture more than once to return to his family. Trying to make some money to support them. I'm not trying to justify his actions, just point out some facts.
If you lived in Mexico in this day and age, wouldn't you try and escape by any means possible? I wouldn't want to live there. You couldn't pay me enough. It's our fault (Americans) that Mexico is in the turmoil they presently face w/ drug cartels and violence escalating to epic proportions. Our inane drug policies fuel their misery. If you're a man w/ family, desparate to provide for them, you'd probably do the same thing given the circumstances. I think a lot of you would be willing to go thru hell to protect and provide for your wife and kids. Just because this man is of Hispanic heritage, doesn't make him any less of a man. Mexico is a living nightmare right now, and we should shoulder the blame for most of their woes. Not all, but a lot of them.
The only human thing this agent did was call for medical assistance, but given what happened, that was almost the least he could have done if he had any conscience at all. Why did the agent take bribes? Probably to try and provide more for his family. How is what the agent did, any better than what the illegal was trying to do? I doubt the rock throwing was true, but if it was, deadly force doesn't seem appropriate in the case. If all 12 tried to rush him, different story.
If you all feel that this man got what he had coming, I feel sorry for you. No one deserves to be shot under these circumstances, no one! I realize this is a problem and heated issue, but perspective people, perspective. Whether you agree or not, the "walk a mile in my shoes" adage seems to apply here. He's still a human being when all is said and done. Not an animal. To me this is like saying all Islamists are evil and terrorists. Or all Americans are greedy and self-serving. This man was trying to enter our country illegally, not committing an armed robbery or murder. Accordingly, he did not deserve to be shot for what he was doing, sorry.
Go ahead an call me a bleeding heart, bring on the hate. But, I believe in saying what I think is right, the same I'd do for any American who was wronged. I'm the one who'd try and stop a bully or a bullet for someone that is being threatened, especially w/ injury. So go ahead and hate this man, go ahead and collapse me, but I've said what I believe and that's what this country is all about. Freedom of speech and protecting those that can't protect themselves. Thanks for listening and move on to something else worth being indignant about, like our own issues of government eroding OUR rights.
MM - Liberals don't want to hear about their two face messiah and killing children in Libya. Only evil Mr. Bush did thing like that. Hypocrites Libya - Media given OBama another pass nothing to see here.
So our Border Patrol agents can operate outside the law, such as Agent Canales, I wonder if he asked Jesus for money... no money, Canales can shoot?
States are losing BILLIONS of dollars because undocumented workers are scared to work in the fields and butcher houses, may of you applaud that without doubt, however, when onions are $10.00 a pound and a pound of greasy hamburger is $20.00 because Americans won't fill those jobs, who are you going to complain too?
I wonder if Canales was drug tested after firing his weapon? He should have been. This man from Mexico, his life will never be the same but the fact that he was shot will not stop other people from coming to work here in the US, so why the hatred and lack of compassion for a man who did commit a crime, but even as a repeat offender, he would not have a life sentence - his pain, the surgeries he can't afford, these are a life sentence, simply because a thug with a gun shot him and that thug was on the US payroll.
The lawyer that is suing, he is a well respected lawyer. He is an American - he has the right to argue all the way to the Supreme Court - that is an honor, and not a test many lawyers can pass. Why would he take this case?
Lillian - she saw what the Border agent did and was going to do, this is not Jesus v. Canales.... my guess is that more people also saw what happened and since Jesus was in the hospital and the others were most likely rounded up separately... that leads me to believe that, Canales, was going to shoot him dead and I hope that Jesus and his lawyer will win this battle.
This man is a father, son, husband, he lives in Mexico...that is just a border, we all live on planet earth - borders change, people deserve to be treated as people - not as invading aliens, without diversity in nature, an ecosystem will collapse. The hatred that divides the US will lead to it's collapse faster than our third world economy.
Some of the comments I've read make me sick, "kill the children," don't kill the children but kill their parents to give them something to think about." Really? Is this what the US has become... a terrorist state with a majority of people who can't wait to join a killing squad and patrol the border the US shares with Mexico?
Can't any of you walk a mile in someone else's shoes? I see a few of you can and those comments are collapsed by posters who repeat the same mantra like sheep "Jesus was a criminal." If your family needed food, can say that you would never ever break the law to feed your baby? Give me a break!
Collapse away, what's a human life worth...apparently it's worth nothing to most of you, if it wasn't born in the USA, please start teaching your kids to work in the hot sun 14 hours a day for minimum wage, someone has too do it.
And I bet we (legal taxpayers!!) footed the bill in the American hospital in Tuscan!!! They should have taken him to a Mexican hospital, they are much more experienced in gunshot wounds with the gang shootings going on there. Get legal and you may be welcome. But trespassing is illegal...period. What part of that don't you bleeding hearts understand!?
Jaydub, what kind of idiot throws a rock at an armed man, well Irish protestors threw rocks and bottles at the British Ows threw bottles at the Police Palestinians thew rocks at the Jews, you need a better argument
The sad part of this story is that many commenters approve of what happened, even if the Mexican's story is completely true. Imagine yourself facing a law enforcement officer with a similar attitude. Whether you are exceeding the speed limit on the highway, or hunting without a license in a national forest, are you OK with getting an instant death sentence for your non-violent crime?
wlee - Completely different scenario. Those people were demonstrating which is their right, for whatever cause they felt deemed it necessary. They have that right. This man was doing nothing but trying to get in the country, albeit illegally. Again, you're assuming the BP agent was telling the truth, when he's been indicted for bribery. How far do you back what the agent says? I'm not saying it didn't happen his way, but it seems like everyone assumes he was the one telling the truth, and used lethal force because of what he said happened. Let's try this, you and your neighbor get into an arguement about let's say, noise. The issue isn't the point really. You throw a rock at him and he shoots you dead. Cut and dried self defense? Lethal force should only be used when you feel you're life is being threatened. If you feel threatened because someone threw a rock at you, and you shoot them dead, how do you think that would play out in a court of law? Point is, this was not seemingly a case where the BP agent should have felt that his life was in such danger, he needed to retaliate w/ deadly force. That is if this is the way it really went down. If you weren't there, IMO, you don't know the facts. And judging a fellow human being, w/o knowing all those facts, is totally ignorant. None of us were there. And what facts we believe, are from a corrupt BP agent who's proven he can't be trusted.
The ex-Border Patrol agent was 26 when he did this:
A U-Haul full of drugs, seriously??? Exactly what are the admission standards for our Federal Border Agents? Hate Mexicans, love guns, no respect for US FEDERAL LAW?
All of you applauding ex-Agent Canales.... wow, I think you spoke a bit too soon about how "upstanding" he was or do you also overlook Federal Law if it's a US Citizen?
Link: http://www.fedcops.org/2012/07/02/border-patrol-agent-abel-canales-charged-with-accepting-bribe-to-allow-smuggler-to-pass-through-checkpoint/
There is a little more to this story that NBCNews missed:
So, Jesus was shot in the back by our druggie, bribery-taker Border Agent (ex).
Link: http://www.fedcops.org/2012/07/02/corrupt-border-patrol-agent-abel-canales-shoots-jesus-enrique-castro-romo-while-he-lay-face-down-on-the-ground/
Jaydub, I didn't assume anything, you made the comment about rock throwing I gave you examples period
This is a military issue. Put troops on the border. Has nothing to do with immigration. Illegals are invaders.
wlee - Yes you did and I responded, period. You told me I needed a better arguement....I disagreed.
Black Kettle & Sand Creek,
Canales has been indicted, but not convicted. Therefore he is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, which may or may not happen when his case goest to trial.
Indicted by a Federal Grand Jury, who must have been watching him for his indictment, which you can read yourself:
Link: http://www.fronterasdesk.org/documents/2012/apr/05/abel-canales-indictment/
Funny how you want to say Innocent until proven guilty with Canales... you will let him have his day in court, which will come, but it's the other way around with Jesus Castro, the one who was shot.....you don't him to have his day in court? .... you must have missed the "shot in the back" part that NBCNews failed to say!
Castro needs to look at the positive side of live.
He's still alive.
He learned a lesson that he was unable to learn earlier - felony crimes carry harsher penalties.
He has plenty of time to spend thinking about his family.
Black Kettle - The article says he was shot and the bullet damaged his spine. That is a far cry from "shot in the back".
Shot in the back is from the AZ papers after the incident, not the "article translated by....." for NBCNews:
I'll re-post (with link:) THE PROBLEM IS THAT NO ONE WITH WILL "READ" A LONG POST......SORRY, BUT THE TRUTH IS RARELY TOLD IN ONE SENTENCE!
Nogales International: Agent charged with corruption now at center of civil suit over shooting (March 30 2012)
Link: http://www.fedcops.org/2012/07/02/corrupt-border-patrol-agent-abel-canales-shoots-jesus-enrique-castro-romo-while-he-lay-face-down-on-the-ground/
In late 1950, the United States asked Mexico to send a division of soldiers to help fight with United Nations troops in Korea................Mexico gives America the "finger"!
36,940 Americans died.
Which Army was allowed on US for the First time (when not at war) - The Mexican Army came to help Katrina victims!
Ask yourself, what did the US do for Korea, except get soldiers killed because of fear-mongering US politics at the time?
GLTruscott: So Mexico was smarter than the US. What's your point?
And how many soldiers did they lose?????? Give me a break!
Ask South Korean children what America and her allies did for them.
BTW North Koreans learn English as a mandatory second language. Even they know that English is the language of success. Spanish is the language of the ghetto.
@GLTruscott - I am very sorry for the US and Korean soldiers who were in that US "police action." It was not a war according to Congress, but a UN "police action." What did Korea do to us?...you are going back to 1950, the "McCarthy years." That "police action" which killed Americans, Koreans, and other aligned UN soldiers was nothing more than a show of force against the PERCEIVED threat of communism. Viva Fidel!
Off topic much? Spanish is spoken in many countries, including Spain (which once was an Empire)... How many languages do you speak, I speak five!
This is about a man SHOT IN THE BACK, unarmed, by an ex-US Agent who is under indictment not only for allowing U-Hauls of drugs into the country but also what you would call "illegal immigrants." I guess, you missed the part that Jesus had a job in Tuscon, AZ - never wanted to move his family to the US, just wanted to give them a better live through his hard work (migrant worker at worst!).
Guess you miss the part about work visas?
This moronic, ILLEGAL ALIEN makes you want to go down and shoot him again!
Every war is a show of force. If the allies had stopped Hitler from "stealing" Czechoslovakia instead of appeasing him, millions of lives would have been saved.
If America declared war against Mexico instead of allowing their soldiers to sneak into the US as "immigrants", the drug war would end and Mexico would back off.
Gosh........who cares. Do you speak AMERICAN? Are you willing to go to the US-Mexico border and shoot Mexicans that are invading the US? If not, you're part of the problem. In 1916, 80% of the US Army was at that border preventing Mexicans from entering the US to kill Americans. Why isn't that discussed here. Only Mexican lives matter?
Only Mexicans are poor? The UN has consistantly rated Mexico between 50-57 out of over 180 countries for standard of living. Mexicans quadruplied their population since 1950. Their poverty is their own fault. If they weren't such pigs, they would have a decent country to live in. They steal US resources from Americans. That is an act of war by any country's definition.
Well the thing is, if they can get here by any means they are safe, thanks to obunowho, so which of you wouldnt risk your life to give your family a better life? yes its illegal but so is our president! they are ok with sending tons of guns to mexico, and starting endless wars on foreign soil, but this! its a crime worth shooting another human in the back, please people, cmon wake up, this bitter infighting is exactly what they PTB want us to do, stay polarized, stay angry, mostly stay fighting so they can do their nation building lol, we all know the lame stream media is an owned organ, they tell us nothing of whats going on in the world, the problems we have isnt with some poor mexican man crossing into the border illegally, dont we do that to entire countries? our problem is that we arent unified and are filled with hate to our neighbors, we always need someone to hate it seems, we are being played so bad.....its shameful, its cowardly to shoot a man in the back, my dad was a cop for 40 years, he handled far more threatening people with a night stick and right hook, nowadays we have to have swat evacuate whole neighborhoods for one guy, seems chicken hearted to me, its a police state and they want you to get used to them shooting who ever when ever they want, open your eyes, open your hearts, and most of all open your eyes! think for once, what if it was you? soon enough it may be you, if this progresses it will be you, if you give a bad look to a cop for harassing you he can shoot you in the back, they can stun old ladies and kids, whos to say your not gonna be next? look up the north american union, you will see there are no borders really. turn off the tv forever, wake up! and dont think similar cant happen to you! ask all the people who have been maimed hurt or killed by bad ass cops in this country ok, shooting a man in the back is the worst offense an armed man can make in a battle with a rock that didnt even get tossed, how can throw and be deadly when your freaking out? bah then this officer lets a truck full of drugs and illegal men in lol, no its way more than this incident that stinks in tucson, ok prattling on wont help more so im done
hey, how about not committing crime? when you are deluging a law enforcement with purposeful crime, not everyone will get 1st class politeness and treatment.
“No, not anymore. No more, for nothing. Americans do not like us. Even more so the officials (Border Patrol agents). The officials are racists who do not want us there.”
so dont come back. there is no loss whatsoever except for you, and you refuse to act American in the first place. you dont behave right, you dont belong
It is NOT 'racist' to not want you here--it is the LAW.
Funny how this illegal has been repeatedly breaking our laws for years, but the minute something doesn't go his way, suddenly he wants the benefit of US law.
I should be on this jury. NOT one penny to reward a law breaker just because he got caught.
I frequent the S. Texas border and come across border patrol agents often. (I've been stopped by them while looking of Indian artifacts.) The majority of border patrol agents I've met are Hispanic.
So, Jesus, you're saying Hispanics are racist against Hispanics? It's little wonder you got caught.
Please point out or link to the legislation that allows boarder agents to shoot to kill anyone crossing the border illegally.
culheath - it is the job of Law Enforcement to Enforce ALL U.S. LAWS, even if our President does not wish them to be enforced or enforced selectively. If you break our laws and fail to obey Law Enforcement, you WILL BE SHOT. This Border Agent apparently is not a very good shot. This person has no U.S. Constitutional Rights, he is an Illegal and his only guarantee should be to be sent back to Mexico. If he has committed a crime, he (his family-regardless of age @ place of birth should be immediately sent back to Mexico) should be sent back to Mexico AFTER his sentence.
Culheath, no such legislation needed...if you read the story, they claim it was self-defense. And with no witnesses, I'm siding with the American citizen!!!!!
Finally a border agent who is doing his job! If they would shoot them all the time they would stop coming over. Its the only way since obama won't enforce immigration laws!!! Thier costing taxpayers all kinds of money, they don't pay taxes, they send the majority of thier money back to mexico, thier taking our childrens jobs!!
wow, just wow! I can not believe he is trying to sue the United States for entering the country illegally. Stay in Mexico and you wouldn't have this problem. Why should Americans tax dollars go towards just picking you up and sending you back where you came from after being fed and given a place for sleep for a few nights before being deported?? You are trespassing, and trespassers can be shot. Just like any other private property. You are not a citizen, you have no rights here. Un-freaking-believable!!! Line up Border Patrol Agents along the border with guns and shoot anyone who comes across that border. Enough is enough.
It sure looks as if the illegals aren't getting too much sympathy anymore. ITS ABOUT TIME. This story is so far fetched. This again will cost the taxpayers money because who is paying for this idiots legal fees???? Hopefully we will let them know eventually that you enter our country illegally you are taking the chance of getting shot. Loss of work he is suing for???? You are kidding me right???????????
wow, just wow! I can not believe he is trying to sue the United States for entering the country illegally. Stay in Mexico and you wouldn't have this problem. Why should Americans tax dollars go towards just picking you up and sending you back where you came from after being fed and given a place for sleep for a few nights before being deported?? You are trespassing, and trespassers can be shot. Just like any other private property. You are not a citizen, you have no rights here. Un-freaking-believable!!! Line up Border Patrol Agents along the border with guns and shoot anyone who comes across that border. Enough is enough.
animallove1
It's a fresh story. The west coast is still waking up or driving to work/school. Give it time.
He is lucky he got picked up. The helicopter doesn't fly for free. Thousands of dollars for a rescue. He should have just been left. It was his choice to be there in the first place. No other country on the planet fails to enforce their border like we do. A country that fails to enforce its border fails to exist. 0 does not represent the majority of Americans. 0 is a 0.
These comments seem to support the argment that when we finally get to look at Romney's financial records we can shoot him since he is a criminal. The American system of law is based on 'reasonable' punishment, not killing someone for walking across the desert to feed his family. Get a grip folks, anyone out there who has not gone a few miles per hour over the speed limit? Next time, you will be shot for it. LOL
If you dont like Mexicans coming across the border looking for work, stop supporting an abusive foreign policy that creates the poverty in Mexico.
tex2c,
And pray tell, what policy is that? We give and do more for Mexico than their own government or do you think maybe we should invite all the Mexicans to come live with us? Let me know how many families are now living with YOU...
tex2c...your argument is invalid. This man was entering the country illegally! He is not a legal US resident, therefore our laws do not apply to him. Your argument above is about legal Americans being shot on site for crimes committed. Apples and oranges my friend. If you are here legaly and commit a crime then the legal system should take it's toll however the law allows. If you are not here legally, then the laws of the land do not aplly to you, game on! If people who are here illegally don't like that, well then, I guess they should go home or better yet, don't try to come here without taking the proper procedures in the first place.
God bless our border protrol and may he keep them safe as they protect and serve the legal citizens of America!
TNRebel-4016842: I'm glad you aspire the US adopt Mexico's ways. You obviously have great admiration for Mexico and its people.
"....poverty in Mexico....".Sony,Honeywell,Goodrich,Ford,Kelloggs,Hersheys,Samsonite,Xerox,Square D,Levis,Whirlpool; a short list of U.S. companies with factories in Mexico.Who exactly is working in those factories? Martians?
Walmart has 1500+ stores in Mexico.The company does extensive traffic & demographic research prior to locating a store;Walmart doesn't put up a store because it would look pretty at that location. Someone is working and shopping in these stores.
Mexico is the seventh-largest petroleum producer in the world.
If you place minimal importance on education and breed children you can't afford to feed,don't whine to me about your 'poverty';it is a self-inflicted wound.Even into the third generation,Hispanics have the highest high school drop-out rate of any ethnicity in the U.S.
actually, being a non-citizen, even undocumented, does not deprive you of all constitutional rights
nobody is commented about the fact that someone in Tucson wanted this guy to spiff up their lawn. maybe they too should be shot as collaborators?
Don't forget the corporations that run the food industry that have scores of illegals working in their factory farms and fields. The same corporations that spend millions and billions on lobby dollars and campaign contributions.
Oh, and they also put children to work as young as 5 years old, YES IN AMERICA this is happening.
SR: If we started to round up the collaborators, guess Mitt wouldn't be running for President anymore.
Sure the guy committed a crime, but its punishment has NEVER been shooting to kill.
Speeding in your car is a crime, but police can't shoot you for it.
How is this different?
PossumRed, you are obviously not aware of the US federal government's interference in Central and South America, especially Mexico.
Our federal government, and their corporate sponsors have destroyed the economy and organized labor in Mexico.
The companies you mentioned have factories and plants in Mexico, this is true. What you forgot to mention is how many times they shut those plants and factories down because Mexican organized labor wanted a fair wage and working conditions. Instead of giving the workers fair wages and working conditions, they just shut down, moved down the street and started over with slave labor like working conditions.
How about our federal government using NAFTA to destroy the Mexican economy ?
How about our federal government using the intelligence community to destroy democracy in Central and South America, and then supporting either a dictator or military junta that replaced it ? Usually followed by torture and murder or their citizens and an economy based on the drug trade.
"Castro says he decided to sue to right a wrong."
Seriously?? This guy knowingly committed a crime entering this country illegally, got caught and was then shot for assaulting a Border Patrol agent. And now wants to sue to right a wrong. Insane. Also he entered for one reason, to find a job he is not eligible for in a country he is not supposed to be in.
Everybody praising this border patrol agent for "doing his job" should stop commending him. Apparently he can be bought to allow drugs and illegal immigrants into this country. It doesn't sound like he was doing what he supposed to be doing. It's funny how you praise him for shooting another human being yet do not mention the fact that this guy has been paid to allow drugs and dangerous criminals into this country. You are more outraged over the fact that a decent person from another country is just trying to find work here to support his family than a corrupt border patrol agent who breaks the laws of the country of which he is a citizen.
Americans think our economy is in bad shape now ? Let's get rid of all the illegal immigrants as most posters on here seem to want, THEN you'll see a destroyed economy !
Who will do all the jobs that Americans won't do ? The jobs that pay next to nothing that require long hours and strenuous physical labor. The jobs that most Americans are too lazy and/or proud to do ?!?!?
TNRebel-4016842: You assume a lot. Thanks for telling me what I think.
Illegals need to stay home and work on their own countries.
Superskunk, maybe you should just move to Mexico, how many Mexican children do you support. How lazy are you?
Bart - "Sure the guy committed a crime, but its punishment has NEVER been shooting to kill.
Speeding in your car is a crime, but police can't shoot you for it.
How is this different?"
If an officer pulls you over for speeding and you assault him (pull a gun, throw rocks) then the officer will use force to subdue you. The Border Patrol Agent was on a horse and this illegal threw rocks at him, what would you have the BP do? Ignore it? Ride off? Have you ever been hit in the head or eye with a rock? It can be fairly damaging.
Send Castro back to a mexican hospital. He can then avail himself of mexican laws.
This agent, who is under indictment for bribery, may have said that a rock was thrown because if he said he was shot at, he'd have to produce a gun. If somebody throws a rock at you, you know it either because it hit you or that you saw it coming. The former is problematic if you're lying, because you don't have injuries to prove it. If you saw it coming, chances are you could avoid it.
Of course throwing a rock at a guy on a horse, isn't quite the same as throwing a rock at an officer sticking his head in your car window.
How are patrols "Deadly" if there's someone around to tell his story??
How many illegals from Mexico have the Mexican government turned in from their consulates in the US. They are duty bound to do so.
Skane - "If you saw it coming, chances are you could avoid it." Ok, so what would you have the BP do? How is the BP supposed to respond to an illegal alien (not immigrant) throwing rocks at him? Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with the BP agent taking bribes or looking the other way and should have to answer for that with at least losing his job and/or jail.
"Of course throwing a rock at a guy on a horse, isn't quite the same as throwing a rock at an officer sticking his head in your car window."
I'm sure I could have worded my response in regards to force a little better. My point is, if you assault an officer or BP agent, they will return force greater than what you did to subdue you. And I can honestly say I have never had an officer stick his head in my car or truck window.
Its this simple. We (US Citizens) DO NOT want illegal immigrants in our country! Should he be compensated? NO!
How do we discourage illegal immigrants? Use the kind of force that they will understand to prevent further illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration MUST STOP!!
Really the best way to do that is to A) Impose very steep fines for any company caught hiring illegals. And B) Fix the damn immigration process so these people can come here on work visas. That way we know who they are and where they will be working, and for how long, and we can ensure they are being paid minimum wage (making it less of an advantage to hire a migrant worker vs a US citizen).
Feisty - um... yeah.... the government has failed to provide enough incentive to the companies to NOT hire illegals. Thus part A) Impose very steep fines for any company caught hiring illegals - solves that issue. Illegals aren't going to bother crossing if there aren't any jobs for them here. And really, I would blame this more on congress as they have failed to pass any immigration reform bills. All the president does is sign the bills once they get to his desk. Or is that too much logic for you?
So Obama had nothing to do with Obamacare? Or is THAT too much logic for YOU?
Who said anything about Obamacare? We're talking about immigration here. Now what part of the plan I outlined in this post didn't make sense? Oh, and also - Obama COPIED his health care bill from Romney, so I try to think of it more as Romneycare. Oh but Romney is a "true conservative" right? lol what a joke
Because the bills are all touchy feely PC BS. Dream Act ring a bell?
I would love for the corporations to be held accountable, but that will never happen since the guilty parties are some of the largest contributors of lobby dollars and campaign contributions.
Our federal elected officials are guilty of conflict of interest and should be removed, as well as the 2 party system.
It's not that simple LG.
Time to modernize; replace the horses with hellfire equipped drones and Apache strafing runs and none of them would have escaped! Maybe we could even convince a few of these bleeding heart obstructionists to volunteer to act as human shields!
Talk to the Hand - Well, where is the Republican's immigration fix? You can't just sit back and complain that the other side's solution isn't going to work and then not offer your own solution. And remember: This country was BUILT by immigrants. It's what makes us strong. What we need more than anything is to get these people into the country legally, but our current immigration system is so horribly broken that we can't do that. The fact is we need these people because most of us 'Merikans aren't going to do the jobs they're taking.
hate to burst your theory about americans not doing the jobs that illegals do brokenarrow. i did farm work when i was younger, it was a great summer job for a younger person to do while school was out. my nephew was looking for work like this but could not find it due to illegals. my cousin owns a landscapping business but is losing work to companies that hire illegal aliens to do the work for them. so there are americans out there who will do the jobs.
Super - I believe illegals have been sneaking into the US way before NAFA what was their excuse then? Quit blaming the US government when the Mexican government has done nothing for their own and encourage there poor to come here so we can support there problem because they have no plan to take care of their own. I call American stupid. The US government should be suing Mexico for having to support their uneducated trash.
I have no problem with work Visas for the individuals who want to work here but at the end of the day they need to go home.
Also I'm tired of the liberal bs that illegals only do the jobs American won't do. I live in the East and I picked vegetables as a summer job. It was one of the few jobs I could get a 14 to earn cash. Most of the lawn services where I live employ US citizens. The industries know for hiring illegals are the restaurants and not because the teenagers here won't work as dishwasher its because their cheap and like hiring under the table.
I also work as a maid in the summer at the beach it was my way of getting to have a working vacation.
The problem isn't Americans not wanting to do these job the problem is most of these jobs are entry level jobs and no one with an education is going to make a career out of picking vegetables or making beds.
The US doesn't need a munch of uneducated illegals that end up costing the taxpayers money.
I agree with fines for the companies but I also believe landlords who rent to illegals should also have to pay heavy fines their just as guilty as the companies. If the illegals had no job and no place to live they wouldn't be here. We also need to get rid of anchor babies. If your parents are illegals and your born here you no longer get to claim US citizenship. Stop the Insanity. .
It's time for all illegals to head to IL. I now understand why Feisty is all worked up today Emmanuel just welcome all illegals to the IL and promise them they won't be arrested if their good citizens. I'll bet your glad you vote for Emmanuel, Feisty.
@eric1964 - how do you explain news like this?
Link: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/13/464152/georgia-farmers-worker-shortage-immigrants/?mobile=nc
And in Alabama:
Link: http://immigration.about.com/od/immigrationlawandpolicy/a/Alabama-Immigration-Law-Hurting-Economy.htm
Do you want me to do this for all 50 states, because I can!
Yes gidebe14, but nowhere near the numbers there are today.
There's always going to be people trying to get into America to make a better life, but the influx today is a major problem, not our countries largest, but still significant.
If the American people aren't educated on the root cause of this problem, we'll never solve it.
There is too much money flying around the city state of Washington D.C. for anything to change until some good 'ole fashioned peaceful civil disobedience makes it happen.
Well, he won't be doing that again. And he's in Mexico. Win-win.
And hope he doesn't come back...
So I take it you guys will all be voting for Romney come November? You all do realize he's anti-gun, anti-veteran, and he invented Obamacare... which should really be named Romneycare in my opinion. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing people. At least according to Senator McCain:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78582788/McCain-2008-Oppo-File
both candidates are all the above.
EXACTLY Plsthink90 :-) Exactly. Which is why I'll be writing in my own choice come election time, not choosing between the lesser of two evils.
I hear that, something has got to change or we are in big trouble!! Are you a Marine??
Yes, but currently in the sense of "once a Marine, always a Marine". Did my my four years, living it up in civilian life now :-)
Thanks for your service. My cousin just got out of the core a few years ago too.
People I don't think this is the Feisty you all have come to know and love. plsthink90, Corps not core
To Brokenarrow and plsthink90---I feel the same way in regards to the election! And thank you for your service, Brokenarrow!
In regards to the article--I think Brokenarrow has made some excellent points. So many on here seem to be thinking in 2 dimensional, polarized terms. We need to think outside that polarized box. I believe the illegal immigrant should NOT get any money, on the other hand, shoot women and children?!? Sacrificing ones humanity is NEVER a good option because it will come back to bite you in the butt, at many different levels!! Personally, I think that the men and women coming back from overseas can be put to use on the border. And while the idea of a moat with alligators is a funny joke--at least it was thinking outside of the box! This is a complicated issue as to what has and is causing the influx of illegals. One of the current really big issues is the HORRIFIC actions of the Mexican drug cartels. There are many drug mules who are being FORCED to smuggle drugs across the border as their families are being held hostage, under pain of death if the 'mule' doesn't comply. Any one of you, what would you do if someone kidnapped your family then demanded you smuggle something illegal into Mexico or they would kill you and your family? Many are wanting to escape Mexico to escape the drug gangs, the others such as the illegal who was shot are just trying to feed their families. I think the US government should give Mexico an offer of military help to stomp out the gangs. As for the BP agent who shot the illegal--he is under indictment for taking bribes, etc. In our system of justice he is innocent until proven guilty. If found guilty, he should be given the maximum sentence for the crime. My dad, who was a Sheriffs Officer, taught me that there is nothing better than a good, honest cop and nothing worse than a crooked one! And BTW, before you call me a bleeding heart liberal, I'm not--in fact, I believe that if the Mexican citizens had Second Amendment rights, they would be much better able to defend their land against the drug cartels.
yeah those border control agents are evil demons. i bet they are christian republicans cause we all know you don't get any more evil than that. and those poor people trying to come to america are holy, righteous, pure saints. i don't understand why we allow evil demons to try and stop theses poor saints from coming here. we all know these poor illegals are skinny, intelligent and hard workers. they are 1000 times better people then the fat, stupid, lazy unwashed peasant masses that are born here. they come to do the jobs americans are to lazy and to stupid to do and this is the welcome they get?
O'Bama & the Democrats are the people that encourage and use Tax Dollars to support the invasion of the U.S. from Mexico and they are responsible for the attacks on U.S. Citizens from these same Illegal Aliens. sickandtired - go back to Mexico because soon it will become open season on Illegals if the Feds. continue to ignore the Invasion from Mexico. It will become the responsibility of LEGAL U.S. Citizens to do the job of the Feds.
Sounds like a grims fairy tale sickandtired. But that's the type of bull manure they seem to believe. Myself though, I've gotten too old to believe in fairy tales and know better than all of those myths.
The key work here is ILLEGAL, like the dope you're smokin...
JoeB, it's not any particular administration, it's a continued US federal government foreign policy that began around the time of NAFTA as far as I can tell so far.
The people don't like it, but they don't want to do the jobs the illegals do because of pride, laziness, or the companies hiring the illegals don't pay a fair wage or have fair labor practices.
Those same companies "donate" millions and billions to our federal elected officials through lobby dollars and campaign contributions, to cry about in public, but turn the other cheek in private.
Super skunk you are right as far as the companies , but people being to lazy and prideful is to big of a generalization. I know plenty of hard working individuals who are citizens
Agreed wlee, I wasn't inferring that all Americans are lazy or too proud. I also know plenty of hard working legal American citizens, that aren't lazy or too proud. But how many of those people are out of work and forced to take strenuous manual labor jobs for long hours, that pays a few dollars an hour of they're lucky ? I also know a good number of people on unemployment or welfare that refuse to take certain jobs because they believe they're "too good" for them, and I also know people who are out of work that can't get a job paying them what they're worth.
That's all my point was, our system is severely broken, and we don't speak up about it, and the companies and our so-called elected officials reap the benefits so it won't change. And we argue about illegal Mexicans here maintaining the status quo for them.
Who notified the emergency crew? Where are we supposed to glean this information? The agent shot him and left him but the Emergency personnel shows up out of nowhere? Nice, thorough reporting job. I don't care if the agent was a dirt bag. The law catches up with them sooner or later. The facts of the matter are still the same as they ever were. The guy had absolutely NO business sneaking across our border. And the rock throwing threat HAS been a growing problem. A solution would be to MINE the border. Anyone sneaking in will face a destructive object planted for THEM without a conscience or without objectivity. If you are within those limits where you are not supposed to be then face the consequences. Of course a mine field would be out of the question.....for now.
I think it's the reading, not the reporting.
Castro says the officer asked him where he was injured and said he’d go get help.
He pressed a white T-shirt from his backpack against the wound from the .40 caliber bullet and waited.
When help arrived, by helicopter, other Border Patrol agents returned with the officer, who accused Castro of hitting him in the head with a rock, Castro says.
Does he want some cheese with his whine. Oh well, you broke the law and you lost. P.S you need to pay your hospital bill
It was in the writing of the article and the way it was written..
If the agent "beat him" and "hurled insults" (I'm sure the words "hurled insults" were Castro's words) and then shot him. All of this sounds a little suspect to me. The reporter leads you to believe (in that paragraph) that no help was forthcoming. The reporter intentionally omitted the facts at the beginning of the story in the attempt to garner some sort of contempt toward the agent. Also, Castro was shot at close range, within rock throwing range, and the agent apparently suffered an injury.
I don't support the dirt bags. Either one of them.....and I can read 'intent' by reports as well.
this article is a bunch of BS. Sue, for what, how does he have any rights here to sue. Give me a break. I know of 2 border agents that went to prison for doing their job. Stay in Mexico if you don't want shot!! Shoot to kill, then there is only one story to tell. Good-luck to the agent.
maybe we can start a defense fund for this AMERICAN AGENT who was doing his job to stop ILLEGAL'S.
@plantlady - brilliant idea, let's give the ex-Border Agent, druggie, bribe-taker a defense fund!
Did you read the whole story, or purposely forgot the inconvenient truth that the Border Agent was doing more illegal felonies than the man he shot?
That's what I was wondering too Waldo...someone called the emergency crew.....
Sorry about your luck there Castro.......
This does sound like a rouge agent, especially with the bribery charges against him. However if a case like this is successful then the floodgates will open to other lawsuits and the border patrol will face restrictions which will make it impossible to enforce the law. Poor people view lawsuits the same way they view the lotto, you might get rich, and lawyers get a big cut of that pie.
It does NOT sound like arogue agent if so he would of just left him to DIE, instead of getting help for the crimminal. Looks like he is good enough to get out of the hospital, send him his son and wife back to Mexico. Get his billing address so he can pay for his hospital stay.
Witnesses might have influenced that decision?
Then why wouldn't this "bad" agent have gone after the witness also?
steve-1962: Did you even read the comment you responded to? The agent has been indicted for bribery. If guilty of the crimes, that would make him a rouge agent. And he's not alone. There are lots of criminals in the border patrol.
rouge agent? as in make-up wearing? rogue is what you meant. lol
Skane, where's your facts?
Did he make up -- I mean "tell" -- his side of the story before or after learning that the agent that shot him was indicted for bribery? The timeline could be relevant....
Here is the indictment for ex-Agent Canales, letting through a U-Haul of Drugs in exchange for $8,000.... It's a Federal Indictment, pursued by the US Attorney General: given that they have this phone records, etc... they were watching Canales for awhile for this indictment:
http://www.fronterasdesk.org/documents/2012/apr/05/abel-canales-indictment/
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/us-agent-indicted-accused-of-letting-drug-load-through/article_01ce0940-9324-5e03-a422-511cbafed861.html
robmo-2357326: Well, he was really mad so it looked like he was wearing rouge :) I'm going to evade personal responsibility for the error and blame it on the spell-checker.
Ya know... law enforcement ought to start throwing employers in jail who hire illegal immigrants. If the illegals can't find work here... that should also help stop the flow to the US too.
Hell yes even if they are in the Senate, Congress or any other state official.
A Mexican national sueing the US for sneaking across the border ILLIGALLY and getting shot. If this makes into a court of law the judge should be fired, the bar association should pull this lawyers licence and they should make this Mexican national pay the hospital bills and the heliocopter ride. We all know this isn't going to happen. Note to border patrol agent, shot in the head = dead. Problem solved.
But Obama is pandering for the Illegal votes. Why do you think the DOJ is taking Texas and other States to court for requiring simple ID?
even Mexico requires ID before granting a Tourist card
There really is nothing to discuss here. He was entering the USA illegally... I highly doubt he didn't realize what he was doing and the consequences behind his actions. I think he just didn't care and is mad because he got caught. As for the guns, I don't think any of our officers would just fire on someone. ANY officer who protects the USA borders puts their lives and families on the line every day when they go to work. How many of us can say that? In some cases they need to use force, especially when it comes to drugs. What about all the people they stop and catch that they don't use violence. Lets poll those numbers and then compare the number of fatal attacks versus the number of immigrants that try to sneak into OUR COUNTRY on a daily or yearly basis. Bet the % of people trying to get in our country is very HIGH. Thank you to all that protect our country.
B.b.b.b.but he was running back TOWARDS Mexico. That mean the Border Patrol has to stop pursuit and go away. Because once they're running back towards Mexico they can't just turn again.
Let's try this elsewhere:
"But, Officer, I already dropped the money, you can't arrest me for bank robbery."
"But, Officer, I didn't actually go through w/ the murder."
"Just because it was in my pocket/purse and I was heading for the exit doesn't mean I was shoplifting."
Unbelievable! He has some nerve trying to sue and his lawyer should be disbarred for even taking such a ridiculous case. He got what he deserved, he had no right coming into our country illegally and now the US taxpayers are left paying his hospital bill. Maybe the next time one of his fellow illegals will think about this before trying to enter illegally.
jaccar1123. So basically any lawyer who takes a case that you don't like should be disbarred? Because there is no legal basis for having him disbarred. You wouldn't want him to be disbarred illegally, would you?
How many times are the border patrol agents shot at? How many US citizens are shot at? The article says part of his group were drug runners. What about the border patrol agent that was shot and killed trying to do his job? Where is HIS justice? If we tried to sneak into Mexico the way they sneak into here, their border patrol would shoot at us and throw us in JAIL for breaking THEIR laws. Maybe all the US citizens who are violated by illegal immigrants should start suing Mexico for their losses of life and property.
and even more outrageous, shot at with weapons walked over by the Obama administration's DOJ Fast and Furious debacle.
Unfortunately, he'll probably win the lawsuit - if Democrats are on the jury!
Bll, you idiot, get your facts checker out of your azz and tell the truth. The Fast and Furious program was started under BUSH and ended when Obama found out about it. Get a grip. Lying just makes you look more like a fool to reasonable people.
tex -you may want to check how far up your rectal canel your facts checker is wedged
Project Gunrunner started during the Bush Admistration. The operation under Project Gunrunner, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007.
Operation Fast and Furious started during the Obama Administration in Oct 2009 as a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fast_and_Furious
NH,
Don't go trying to get tex2c to understand facts because his "facts" are the ones he dreams up and calls facts.
NICE POST!
Sally, dear...tex2c called a fellow poster an idiot...doesn't that violate Rule 1? Come on Sally, do your duty and suspend him.
tex2c, maybe you should take your own advice, the Bush gun transfer was with approval of the Mexican Govt. who were notified Fast and Furious started under the Obama admin with no notification of the Mexican Govt. two separate operations.
This is like a burglar suing the homeowner for tripping while ransacking the house. Nonetheless, a jury of your inferiors may well find in the burglar's favor, especially when conned by a shyster defense lawyer.
It's nothing at all like that...the guy was trespassing, period. That's the degree of criminality you are apparently ok with having a person shot for.
Nice. Who raised you people, Ma Barker?
Culheath, again, he wasn't shot for trespassing; he was shot because, according to the BP agent, he was threatening violence against the BP agent.
culheath
Again he was not just trespassing he was violating federal law and national security. Perhaps you should try to illegally enter Mexico via their southern border and see how they treat illegals there.
Culheath sounds like you should be deported along with him and his family. Sounds like you do NOT like America the way it is.
By the way who raised you? some CRIMMINAL organization.
steve-1962. Yes no doubt, anyone who disagrees with you should be deported immediately.
You can call it 'trespassing' all you want. Even then, I don't know where you grew up, but trespassing is something you can be shot for where I grew up. I'm not going to let someone come into my backyard and throw rocks at me without defending myself.
GrayLady25: I wasn't aware that the guy was shot in the border agent's back yard. And did the border agent have a permit for keeping a horse on his property?
Skane: I was referring to the comment that he was 'trespassing.' If someone were to trespass on my property, I would defend it and myself. The initial question was basically 'is it ok to shoot someone for trespassing' and my answer was, "yes, it is." Out of curiosity, where do you have to have a permit to have a horse?
GrayLady25: I was mocking your analogy. I assumed that you thought it had some relevance to the matter at hand, not just the immediate question that was asked. I was joking about the horse, but I imagine you might need a permit in Manhattan.
Está más clara que el agua: si te arriesgas, vas a pagar el precio.
Well said amigo!
Verdad.
Creo que alguien muy alto en el nuevo orden mundial quiere que el Estados Unidos se mezclen de modo que podamos ser el líder de todo el continente americano. Es algo en que pensar, porque han dejado la puerta abierta mucho tiempo. Or maybe the big boys just like cheap gardeners.
Chinga tu madre. Sorry, but it is the only Mexican I know.
He said:
and Zardoz-3338924 said:
I believe he means the drugs they carry.
Oh PLEASE.
He is a CRIMINAL who was committing a CRIMINAL ACT.
I am sick to *DEATH* of this pandering and garp over these invaders.
STOP IT ALREADY WITH THIS FORCED WUSSIFICATION OF AMERICA!
STAND UP AND SCREAM! ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE GETTING SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!!!!!
What's next? Pity parties and lawsuits for murderers who get shot breaking into private residences?
Oh, wait, too late, already happening.
Americans better wake up before there's no America left to wake up to.
You just described the democrat way of life.
Stop with the labels and assumptions. I am a liberal democrat and I totally support the border patrol in these actions. The guy is a criminal and deserves what he got.
Mystic,
How can you be a liberal democrat...the head liberal democrat, the Obamanation doesn't agree with you...he's looking at illegals as new voters, not lawbreakers.
Democrat is a noun.
I registered as independent. I wish all politicians would get serious about illegal aliens. I plan to vote for Obama only because the alternative (Romney) would be much worse. As an American who has worked in construction all my life, I know what damage illegal aliens have done to the skilled trades. We need to get rid of them all. And by the way, from what I've seen they are NOT hard workers, and the work they do complete is crappy. Thanks for letting me rant.
Once worked as a commercial electrician helping to build a hospital. The drywall crews were obviously illegals. They were pushed hard to get the work done or their boss would fire a couple just to make a point. They didn't want to take the time to walk down the stairs and outside to use the port-potties, so they would pee in bottles and place those inside the walls just before putting the drywall up. Sometimes they would even crap there too.
Hospital was almost done (they were literally hanging the pictures on the walls) when one of those bottles exploded inside a wall. The stench was horrible. They had to rip all the walls out and start over. Like I said, cra..y work.
Skane2600
That's the difference between Republicans and Democrats. You see Republican is a verb. Metaphorically speaking of course.
We need a simple law - you can't sue for injuries sustained during the commission of a crime. Limit it to felonies if you want. I for one am tired of criminals getting rich off lawsuits.
Mind naming an example or two ? One will do.
culheath..you obviously have never learned NOT TO ASK A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. There have been several incidents along the U.S. / Mexico Border involving LEGAL shootings or physical acts on Illegal Aliens crossing from Mexico which resulted in Large cash payments to the ILLEGAL or even LOSS OF Property to the ILLEGAL by landowners'. Break a Law and win the Lottery!!! Place a few Land Mines in the right areas and that will at least slow the job stealing bastards down. EVen better, if there are employers in your area that employ Illegals BOYCOTT THE SOBs'.
Maybe not rich, but illegals have successfully sued Americans:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/04/nation/la-na-arizona-rancher-20110205
The Law should state that Illegals have no rights in the U.S.. If they want the same rights as LEGAL U.S. Citizens they should enter our country legally, learn our language and customs and pay their own bills. That means - stay off Welfare and no free rides. O'Bama is the ONLY U.S. President that has allowed Illegals to sue U.S. Citizens and the only President that has allowed Foreign Countries to sue U.S. States. But O'Bama's time will be numbered, win or loose the election.
"The Law should state that Illegals have no rights in the U.S.."
He wasn't even IN the US until WE brought him here. He was shot in Mexico--running away!
WHAT?-4099780
Where did you get the idea he was shot in Maxico and brought here? He was 2 miles from the border running towards Mexico when he tried to assult the agent and was shot. Clearly he was in the US.
Boycotting companies who hire illegals is a great idea--it's voting with your money!
I hope you fathom how ridiculous that statement is.
He deserved to get shot. Establish a no man's land for a solid mile inwards from the border. Post machine gun nests and patrols along it. If you are spotted in the buffer zone, you get a warning shot. If you continue forward movement, open fire.
You like war movies?
And you like fiction...typical tree hugging, illegal alien supporting twit schit.
culheath--don't you have a tree to hug or something?? Go save the icecaps!
Culheath likes to get raped by the Illegals.
Sounds to me like he's trying to save your souls. LMAO
Nah, none of that I just enjoy teasing the keyboard warriors whose solutions are always are stuck on violence turned up to volume 11 who type with one hand and polish something with the other.
But hey, it's good to be loved and noticed right?
Yes I love war movies. Don't know why that negates any value towards my policy opinion. I don't care where you come from. If you want to come to the US, do so legally. I did. Why should these people be treated differently? Illegal immigration is a huge burden on our economy and society as a whole. Drastic times call for drastic measures. If we did things your way we would probably just have open borders and no rules at all.
Space Captain , and I thought Obama was the Messiah, now you're telling me it's Culheath, could you please clarify
I know who he is going to vote for come November...
Sounds like the border patrol was doing exactly what they were supposed to. Now Holder will probably file suit against them for violating the rights of a potential voter. Ever notice that the DC gubmint is always on the side of the illegals? Supplies them guns too! We need this?
Holder will act after Obama issues an executive order to ignore the law.
hell, Obama is a lawyer, he might represent the guy. It is about that stupid!!
Well that would make sense. This guy's name is Jesus and Obama thought he thinks of himself as God.
I'm waiting for Obama to say he looks like his own son, if he had one.
Yes the agent did exactly what we want him to do. Send him more bullets! We already have laws. lets enforce them. Everyone needs to support their families. So don't give me that crap and why your here. How about working on you own country. Or should we take it over for our trash dump?
Congrats. Thanks to the tireless effort of our legal system; this man, who is an admitted criminal, will be compensated for breaking our laws. Good job.
to bad he got shot. he was in full control of his actions. he put himself in this position and now someone else has to pay? sounds like some of the people here that everyone else is responsable for their actions! i wont mention any particular group.
First Castro must understand that crossing on foot without papers can be a threat to the United States of America, because the U.S.A do not know who you are. Most Mexicans find it difficult to understand that crossing on foot without legal papers is unacceptable to U.S Border Patrol. It is quite possible that the Border Patrol was racist and I do not believe the rock throwing incident. Who would be stupid to throw a rock at a armed agent on a horse? The use of deadly force was uncalled for. A shot in the foot is all that was needed if warning shots could not stop the illegals.
francis, the Border Agent was Hispanic, racist?
francis a shot in the foot. you people watch way to much tv. hey im gonna shoot the gun out of is hand. the guy lived so he didnt use deadly force he shot him in the torso so there is your warning shot
Too bad he is not dead.
francis-3515059
Mexican is not a race for the 1,000,000 th time.
Cool, should open the flood gates for suing the Mexican government for the actions of illegal immigrants in this country. They are responsible for the actions of their citizens if their citizens commit a crime against an American citizen heh heh. Bout time LOL. My guess is there is more crime commited against American citizens in this country than one would believe. All those American citizens who sue the Mexican government would force them to keep a check on their citizens heh heh. Good idea here LOL
I agree... We should send Mexico the bill for medical treatment, housing and transportation.
He never would have gotten shot, if he would have paid off the corrupt border guard. Let's hope he is convicted. The "Mexican gang" in prison are going to love him
canoworms--at least you're thinking outside the box..:)..and let's also sue the cr&p out of the drug cartels--and use the money for drug and alcohol treatment for all the dopers here in the US who are supporting the Mexican drug cartels via their habit...
Lisa C-5522681
Yea ....That's gonna' work. Nooooot
WoodShed--you're probably right--how in the world would we collect if we were even able to get a judgement?!? I think what happens now is that when police intercept drug money, it helps fund interdiction. Personally, I think that some of that money would also be well spent in treatment programs--it saves the taxpayer money in the long run--treatment is a lot cheaper than jail, and for every addict in recovery not using, is one less customer for the cartels. I am a retired Substance Abuse Counselor, and my dad was a retired Sheriff's Officer --he's passed away now--when he was alive we would joke about how he wielded the stick, I wielded the carrot. The stick and carrot approach:)
OK so a repeat offender, he admits it, is caught in the act of breaking the law, AGAIN. Said offender then runs, resisting arrest. When officers catch up a physical exchange begins. One is armed with fists/rocks and the other legally possess a firearm.... Last I checked law enforcement could use deadly force to protect their own lives.... Hey at least he only wounded the criminal... rather than shoot to kill.
Morning, VT,
Do you generally use technical legal argumentation to over ride sensible human compassion?
Shooting a trespasser for throwing rocks? You find that reasonable?
Just asking. Have a good rest of the day diminishing our humanity. :)
a well-targeted rock can kill!
culheath..you are aware that as a result of the "soft approach" employed by the USBP Agents VIOLENCE against them has increased at a dramatic pace over the past 3-4 years, aren't you?? Before you criticize ANY ACTION against the Illegal Aliens take a walk along the Border at major crossing points in a BP Uniform and walk in their shoes for just a day. Taking shots from Mexico all the time. God Bless the USBP. Hell yeah, shooting a trespasser for throwing rocks at a National BP Agent should be met with return fire. The agent would look a little silly getting off his horse and throwing a rock back at the Illegal scumbag, wouldn't he?? How about if an Illegal threw a rock at Obozo?? Would it be OK to shoot the phucker?? If not, how about we tell the Obozo there are several thousand potential voters on the border and send him down there?? Actually, I think Obozo already knows that.
It appears the # of illegals deaths by "shootings" (14) does not compared to Border patrol deaths trying to enforce the law.... Afghanistan or US Border... Lock and load.... I think "minimal" force should be use if possible but If I was a "agent", I'm coming home alive every day. Dont not cross Illegally... people tend to get shot. (Flame cleans his weapon.)
culheath
Morning, VT,
Do you generally use technical legal argumentation to over ride sensible human compassion?
Sensible compassion? over what? Do you accept people attacking others and not suffering consequences?
The "victim" is an admitted lawbreaker. A repeat offender. A felon. He was in the process of committing the same crime AGAIN and attempted to escape to avoid prosecution and probable jail time. How many times should we play catch and release, wasting resources? how many times will YOU put up with someone bringing their dog to @!$%# on your front door before you say enough?
Cullheath, I'm curious. Would you also defend the illegal who was recently caught raping an eight yr old girl in Texas? Just wondering. Oh, and I once had an illegal immigrant back into my car and when I reported the incident, and even reported the Mexican license number, was told there was no need for the police to take the report because the "CRIMINAL" would be back across the border before they could catch him. Guess who paid for the repairs to my car. Wasn't the criminal. We had to pay ourselves. Defend that too? Now they expect us to support pepe and maria and their 26 anchor babies? How much is too much?
That is very cool of you Culheath: Come on over I have a pile of rocks to throw at you. Sounds like you would enjoy it. Some are bigger rocks hope that does not hurt you much.
Are you guys serious? You like the formula: rock throwing = gun fire ? That seems rational to you?
You're telling the agent couldn't have just fired a warning shot into the ground approximate to the guy to get him to desist with the rock throwing? PUhleeze. I think you all need a woman in your life to balance out your andro-thinking process. You don't still swing tree to tree to travel do you?
Culheath,
You must be a troll because I can't believe you"re that stupid.
culheath
Guns throw tiny rocks really fast.
Most law enforcement agencies BAN warning shots. Warning shots have a bad habit of going somewhere you don't want. The agents mistake was not aiming center mass as trained.
I am a Hunter.........Head or Heart........leaves no room for Comment....AKA Trained Killer!
culheath: These guys just have misplaced anger. They really need to go to a psychologist to find the root cause and perhaps be prescribed some helpful medicine.
Culheath is right. You guys should be more concerned about a corrupt border patrol agent who can be bought to allow drugs, terrorists, bombs, chemical weapons or dangerous criminals into this country of which he is a citizen.
culheath - Not sure about Border Patrol, but most police agencies have policies against warning shots and shooting to wound. Either shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all - a wounded person can still kill you. I once had a gentleman ask if I was going to shoot a tire iron he was holding out of his hand. My reply was, "Only if you hold it between your eyes." Luckily for both of us he opted to drop it.
Most of you would probably call me a bleeding heart liberal. That's okay. I do believe in compassion for our fellow man. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I'm a sucker either. This guy was breaking our laws that he well understood, sneaking into our country again and was caught. Throwing a rock at a horse, even well-trained, is going to cause the horse to rear back. The rider/agent could have fallen off and who knows the consequences. As it is, the agent has to defend himself. He did not kill the guy, he incapacitated him. If the criminal had not run and then tried to throw a rock, he wouldn't have been shot. Illegals cannot use our courts against us. And the lawyer is also "just about the money".
I am sorry the man cannot work anymore. I'm sorry that his wife is their sole support. But he has to take responsibility for his own actions. He took the risk and lost.
"Now, to all those "Shoot on site types" Does that go for women and children too? You all talk tough, but let's see you put a child in your cross hairs and pull the trigger. If you're the kind of person that could kill children, perhaps it is YOU we should be rounding"
So, if the "illegals" are women, and children, it's ok then??? WTF kind of rationalizing is that???
A ILLEGAL IMIGRANT by any other name is STILL A ILLEGAL IMIGRANT..... Honestly, WTF??
Clint-1295473
I wish it were you at the border. I'm a good shot, but you sound better. Given enough rounds, you may have been able to get them all, and be smart enough to clean up behind yourself.
wow wow all i can say is wow, when a read all these articles, most of you can not even spell, but you spew so much hatred. I hope some day you dont have to go through all this, but if you do, am sure all the fellow here will be on the side of the cop, even if he is lying, is he lying? more than likely.
And you know what, if HE hadn't of made the choice to knowingly break the law and enter another country illegally, he never would have run into a border patrol agent. The Border Patrol agent was doing his job, patrolling the border trying to prevent people from entering the country illegally. Seriously, if you don't want to get shot at, enter foreign countries at designated crossing areas - it's common sense.
Bottom line. Stay out and we'll have no problems. I support the border agent fully. This investigation, etc. is a waste of taxpayer resources. Sneaking onto the U.S. should be more than a felony. What about national security? Seal the border. We have plenty of tomato pickers now.
You know the congress and the man in the white house now don't want to offend any one, just like all politicans and the ACLU, Enough said!!!!
This guy will have a statue on the Mall in Washington.