can be assessed down the road.

This is down the road.

Better late than never. A much needed step. The entire Penn State Board should resign as well.

once again they're in deep $hit....pardon the pun

I actually took that time to read the Freeh report. The idea that any charges would be based on that document is frightening. Freeh makes numerous unsupported conclusions and extremely questionable interpretations of e-mail in this report. Many of the conclusions reached by Freeh in the summary sections of the report simply are not supported by any real evidence, they are based on opinion and conjecture. For a former senior law enforcement officer to put his name on such an obviously flawed document that reeks of bias in unbelievable. The report was commissioned by Penn State to try and assign blame and move on, it was not the result of real critical analysis and the collection of hard facts. It largely ignores that shifting stories told by McQueary regarding what he told to who and when because this would call into question many of the conclusions reached. Initially McQueary said that he reported seeing Sandusky horsing around with a boy in the shower. As time went by McQueary's story changed several times until in the final version he claimed that he reported it as a sexual assault. The reality is that McQueary did not actually see any sexual contact between Sandusky and the boy and his later embellishments of his story were based on his interpretations of noises he later claimed he heard and his desire to cover his own ass. I believe that the initial version that McQueary gave, that he saw Sandusky and the boy horsing around is the most accurate account of both what he saw and what he told officials. Based on this information, there was not enough to charge Sandusky with molestation, particularly since they did not know who the boy was. While the University officials should have taken stronger action to keep Sandusky out of Penn State facilities following this report, it does not seem like they had enough evidence to support reporting Sandusky for sexual assault on a child. I think the only person that has committed perjury in this case is McQueary with his changing stories but the DA does not want to go there because it would taint one of their primary witnesses. If McQueary truly saw what he claims in his final version of the story then he is a piece of @!$%# for not stopping it and immediately calling the police and probably should be charged himself for failure to report the incident. If, as I suspect, his original story is the truth and all he saw was horsing around then he should be charged with perjury for his later embellished version that he told under oath.

It's all to easy to demand revenge. But seeking understanding of the problem is the better solution. We must do a serious investigation of pedophilia, human sexuality and also look at our culture and economic system which emphasizes personal and material gain over true well being.

@PJ,

The Freeh Report recommended that the Board of Trustees all resign immediatyely because they had so badly failed in their oversight role. And there were a lot of other recommended changes, especially to "student-athlete" disciplinary processes. But the BoT chose to ignore all the recommendations in the Freeh Report. In fact their changes have consisted of:

1) "Temporarily" removing Paterno's statue to prevent vandalism.

2) Putting the players names on their jerseys to reflect more focus on the individual and less on the team.

3) Offering the victims settlements that were "embarrassingly inadequate" according to their own attorney.

4) Paying Curley, Schultz, and Spanier's legal fees for the best attorneys in New York City. And paying Paterno's family's legal fees as well.

5) Instituting a lawsuit against the fired Vice President for Student Affairs who complained about Paterno's brushing off serious disciplinary affairs, including child abuse (Sandusky) and rape (over 20 allegations.)

6) Firing and blacklisting McQueary --- the only person who took ANY action against Sandusky.

7) Firing two janitors who testified against Sandusky.

Sounds like Penn State is serious about change, doesn't it. NOT!!!!!!!~

If we only had this approach to the crooks on Wall Street.

I believe that the initial version that McQueary gave, that he saw Sandusky and the boy horsing around is the most accurate account of both what he saw and what he told officials. Based on this information, there was not enough to charge Sandusky with molestation, particularly since they did not know who the boy was.

One does not recommend "professional help" for merely "horsing around". Whatever code words were carefully crafted in evidentiary emails that could possibly be one day used against them, they all spoke and understood the same language.

Chris - you are so far off base it is almost funny. Go do some research.

1)The Freeh report NEVER said the BOT should resign.

2) The players chose to have the names on the jerseys after the subject was broached by Bill O'Brien - so they would be recognized for staying.

3) Nothing has actually been offered to the victims yet.

4) Paying for attorneys was part of their contracts.

5)Vicki Triponey was a power hungry witch who causes destruction & devestation wherever she works. An outside agency did an evaluation & said that Joe's discipline guidelines were the correct ones & that Triponey's were bad. Not to mention that child abuse & rape were NEVER part of her allegations.

6) McQueary was NOT fired. His contract ran out & they did not renew it. Also, what action did he take? Joe Paterno took more action than he did. Joe followed the law & university policy. McQueary at first claimed that he did NOT see sex. The doctor with whom he spoke first (who was with his dad) asked him THREE times if he saw sex and Mike said "no".

7) No janitors were fired. Only one testified and what he testified was hearsay. The one who allegedly saw something has dementia and is institutionalized.

wryview: Apparently you missed John E.B. Myer's excellent presentation on legal issues regarding child sexual abuse at the PSU conference on Tuesday. Hearsay evidence is admissible in child abuse cases. Especially if it corroborates other evidence and can't be found to be motivated by profit or contempt.

Your name calling diatribe against Vicki Triponey misses the point that Paterno bulldozed over her authority and office to keep some players out of jail for a violent assualt they committed at a party they crashed.

@wryview,

There is video of Freeh saying that his recommendation is that the BoT resign. Period. And it IS specifically documented that the BoT failed in its oversight role.

The names on the jerseys was there as irony to support the contention that NO significant change in the Penn State football program has occurred. (The change WAS authorized by the BoT.)

At least 11 settlement offers have been tendered to victims so far. All have been refused. This is a matter of public record.

Yes, paying for their legal expenses is in their contract, but so is a "moral turpitude" clause that allows the BoT to opt out of paying if there is a clear violation of "moral norms." The BoT chose to pay.

"Power hungry witch" indeed. That's just your opinion. She will end up as a millionaire "power hungry witch" because she knew of too many incidents (she was mainly interested in over 20 rape accusations) that always failed to reach the Clery Log. Student discipline was her sole responsibility. Peterno had NO authority to do anything with student discipline, including so-called student-athletes.

I have several friends in the University of Alabama Athletic DFepartment who say that UA was contacted and advised not to hire McQueary under any circumstances. They were told that he was "trouble" and "disloyal" and "could not be trusted." Yes, his contract ran out and was not renewed "with prejudice." In legal terms labeling him as "not eligible for rehire" is tantamount to firing in such circumstances. The statement you refer to was to whether he saw actual penetration. He said repeatedly that he never say actual penetration, but that he "knew" what was happening. There is absolutely no inconsistency in McQueary's testimony at all, regardless of what Sandusky supporters like you say.

Both janitors were dropped from Penn State's payroll when they testified in front of the Grand Jury (in which Spanier, Curley, Schgultz and Paterno all lied). Yes one is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's and the other is now involuntarily "retired" the university. But a rose by any other name ....

Your confused and inappropriate defgense of these child abusers is unconsciousnable. Have you no morals at all?

RevSpinnaker - I didn't MISS anything. I didn't say anything about Triponey that wasn't true. And you have the incident WRONG. The player was assaulted FIRST by the people he went after. And it was taken care of through the LEGAL system.

Chris - there is SO much wrong with your comments it is sad. NO janitors were fired. Freeh did NOT say the BOT should resign. Forget it. You wouldn't know proof if it bit you in the butt.

The Freeh Report was never meant to be a charging document, and it isn't. It was an independent investigation privately commissioned by the BOT. The NCAA sent a list of questions to the BOT that they wanted answered. The BOT commissioned Louis Freeh to do an independent investigation in response to those questions (not an uncommon practice, other schools have done the same in the past) and define any other areas where the school may be lacking. The BOT accepted the investigation's findings and agreed to allow the NCAA to use the report to determine the punishments handed down rather than having the NCAA launch yet another independent investigation of their own.

There are other OFFICIAL investigations still pending and possibly wrapping up (which could be the reason for today's press conference). The Department of Education investigation is one.

Just because the Freeh Report wasn't intended to be a charging document DOES NOT mean that things uncovered in the report couldn't directly implicate somebody in another investigation or indirectly lead another investigation into finding out something else.

People have tried to poke holes in the Freeh Report for months to discredit it completely and exonerate whoever they may support. In reality, all it takes is one piece of legitimate evidence that Freeh exposed to lead another official investigation down the right path and blow the lid off of everything. 99% of what Freeh compiled could be crap, but if the 1% that is legit leads to something else then charges stemming from that aren't originating from the Freeh Report but from the official investigation that got a lead from the report.

i.e. Freeh finds an e-mail that another investigation didn't find. That investigation matches it up with they have. It leads to another discovery and....BOOM! Everything starts to unfold more quickly as a result of what Freeh came up with.

BTW Here is a link to the actual Freeh Report:

http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf

The Board of Trustees culpability is clearly laid out on Page 15.,

I fail to understand why so many people are trying to tell lies about what is in the report. Penn State football sucks and will continue to suck for decades because of these 12 years of completely preventable incidents.

Graham Spanier is especially culpable. He is a social scientist and researcher. But even worse, he is a founder of a journal called "Family Issues" that is dedicated to research on issues that harm families, including child abuse. Further, Spanier lists his "expertise" as "family sexuality (including "swinging" and "wife-swapping")." This is someone that new, better than anyone else, how much harm he was inflicting and had the credentials to prove it.

Excellent points Chris, backed up by solid facts.

What's with you wryview? Quibbling over whether McQeary saw actual penetration? An adult humping on a preteen boy naked in the shower making thwat thwat thwat "sexual sounds" isn't enough for you?

That's what McQueary said from the beginning. It was between Paterno and Spanier that the "horsing around" line came up.

The childish attempts to blame this in any part on McQueary are really stupid. He is a victim and it will be extremely difficult to even start to compensate him.

When this happened, McQueary was a coaching assistant, a term interchangeable with slave, and completely dependent for his future on the coaching staff's opinion of him. His entire future! Sandusky was then Paterno's Assistant Coach and was thought to be Paterno's successor.

And McQueary saw this event. He testified every time the same: he did not see actual penetration because Sandusky's body was between him and the child, but he "knew" from sounds and motions what was happening. But he always testified that he had not seen actual penetration. And McQueary asked his father what to do and the father brought in a family friend. And they decided that McQuery should call Paterno, which he did. And Paterno said that he would handle it. When Paterno did nothing, McQueary reported it to Curley, who was the titular head of the Campus Police and a deputized Pennsylvania law enforcement officer. Curley said he would handle it. Along the way McQueary told others who led investigators back to McQueary.

At the trial the account of McQueary and that Victim were found Not Guilty. The jury concluded that McQueary's testimony that he observed Sandusky and a boy in the shower did not establish, beyond a reasonable doubt, actual sex had occurred between Jerry Sandusky and an unidentified boy in the shower. You have to remember that the particulkar Victim had not come forward at that time. McQueary himself testified that he was not sure what he saw but inferred that sex had occurred from the circumstances. The jury's conclusion perfectly mapped with McQueary's own testimony.

McQueary's contract was allow to expire and Penn State made his status "Not Eligible For Rehire." This particular employment status is covered by Pennsylvania's "whistleblower" laws. In addition, Penn State Athletic Department contacted numerous other college football teams , including the University of Alabama (Roll Tide) and told them that McQueary should not be hired --- an illegal job action under the whistleblower law. Now McQueary is unemployed and no college team will hire him despite a record as a coaching assistant and assiatant coach that is exemplary. What's McQueary going to do for a living now? Idiots just like @wryview will continue to try to poin part of Sandusky on him. In reality he is one of Sandusky's worst victims.

So go ahead and stick up for the child abusers. Your support will only help to quicken the destrction of a grand old football team and taking down a great educational instution along with it. Bus so long as you get your dose of semi-professional football, anything goes..... Right?

At the time of the shower incident witnessed by McQueery, Sandusky wasn't an assistant coach any longer and wasn't pegged as JoePa's successor. It's clear that his status as a football icon unduly influenced people and that's why McQueery acted as he did. And that's where the whole "culture" thing comes up; that McQueery's first course of action wasn't to intervene and call 911, or to even call 911 without first intervening, but to keep it "in house".

I think it's even more telling that Sandusky wasn't an active coaching staff member and the whole thing was STILL covered up.

They should at least come forward and apologise to the victims and the community.

Apologize? At the very least they should be removed with the possibility of prosecution.

Using smoke and mirrors to defend this disgusting excuse for a leader just doesnt wash. It is not ok to look the other way when children are being raped, much less in an institution of learning. It is not ok to do the wrong thing. It would not have been difficult for any one of those culpable in this scandle to pick up the phone and call the police. Have a little backbone. Stand up for a child. It would have been easy.

It's the right thing to do. It's not easy. Someone very dear to me lost their job for reporting a person they suspected as a pedophile. The person that they reported has since been formally accused and charged with two counts of 1st Degree Sodomy of a ten-year-old little boy.

About time...now go get Sanduskys stupid wife.....

It seems to me that they did fire the janitors and hired WRYVIEW as head janitor. He sure does try hard to clean up the Penn State mess.

The red-head is named Mike McQueary. The most egregious detail to come out of this debacle is that Mike McQueary caught that dirty old ba$tard in a locker room raping a child, and he walked out. How he can look himself in the eyes is beyond me. The others heard talk of improprieties. That guy saw it happening and he let it continue. Only Sandusky himself is a bigger scumbag. What a self-involved, cowardly little pr!ck he is. He should be in prison for aiding and abetting.

I'm willing to give McQueary the benefit of the doubt. He's of the right age and close enough to the Penn State football "family" where he may have been raped by Sandusky himself. I believe as a child he even played football withSandusky's and/or Paterno's kids. He may have been confronting his own abuser that night. It's within reason that he told as best he could but didn't, and still doesn't, want anyone to know about his own abuse.

I have to wonder if he already had suspicions when he walked into the locker room at that odd hour. He may have found exactly what he was afraid he'd find.

Harry, your callous insensitivity towards child sexual abuse is staggering. Fear keeps child victims silent. I suggest you, and everyone else for that matter, watch Dr. David Finkelhor's presentation from Monday's Child Sexual Abuse Conference at Penn State. It's the one silver lining to this whole sordid debacle.

Oh, Harry, I hope you are not serious.

Harry Baung you are the most ignorant a## I have ever seen on these posts. Rape is rape especially with a 12 year old child. You and the GOP jerk who beleives that real rape doesn't result in pregnancy should get together!

Your comments are beneath contempt, Harry Baung. Do you not understand that a 10-year-old child is below the age of consent? Do you not recognize that a 10-year-old child would be intimidated and frightened by a man who was large and powerful, not just physically but in terms of his influence? I'm sure Sandusky would have found your excuses very convenient. I suspect you are of the same ilk.

Harry Baung,

I accidentally voted you up instead of clicking reply. What you posted is ridiculous. A child cannot legally give consent to an adult. It does not matter if the child "wanted" it or not. It was either forcible rape or statutory, both of which are criminal. As to McQueary's involvement, it was not his job to determine the willingness of the child involved in the incident, it was his job to report the criminal behavior that he witnessed to a representative of the criminal justice system. Lastly, it has repeatedly been proven that victims of sexual crimes- ESPECIALLY CHILDREN- "black out" while they are being victimized. It is their brain's way of protecting itself from trauma. Those who experience such black outs appear unresponsive during an attack, which perpetrators often mistake for compliance or even desire. It is absolutely NOT compliance or desire.

I would most assuredly hope that if you ever had the misfortune of witnessing a child engaged in sexual behavior with an adult, that you would not say to yourself "well, it looks like he (or she) wants it or seems to be enjoying it" and not report it. Such a course of action would leave you only slightly better off than the perpetrator on the "worst people alive" list.

"...and should have reported it to the police..."

For the LAST TIME: This WAS reported to the police. Gary Schultz oversaw the University Park police department, and is currently being tried for perjury. It's amazing how virtually no one wants to point the finger at inept/corrupt law enforcement.

Please don't comment on the story if your knowledge of the case is woefully incomplete.

Harry Baung: You describe that what occurred between Sandusky and the young man in the shower was 'tacitly OK' because the boy went along with it! DUDE! Sandusky was the adult there and the boy was minor! Anyone with half a brain would agree this was a SICK situation. WHAT is YOUR problem!?

Harry Baung is blaming the victim...as reprehensible a comment as anyone can make. A child CAN NOT GIVE CONSENT. Under law a minor CAN NOT consent to a sexual act with an adult. It is impossible. It is, by DEFINITION, rape. My wife is a criminal defense attorney and this ploy is often used by child molesters. A child CAN NOT seduce an adult. This is an excuse, and a vile one at that. The boy was TEN YEARS OLD. He was RAPED. There is no getting around that fact.

Harry Baung, you have been affected. Your statements prove it...NO ADULT MAN should ever get excited or abuse ANY CHILD...HopeyChaneyFeely freedom of speech for ALL that comment. This entire school system @ Penn let ALL of these victims down...It is 2012 people when are we going to STOP BLAMING THE INNOCENT for what these CRIMINALS do, forget the political correct & protect innocence.

Hmmmmm.........sounds suspiciously like Harry Bunghole has had personal experience in this matter several times before? I wonder how many 10 year olds consented to sex with him? I'm guessing by his comments that he is also a charter member of NAMBLA?

@ Harry Baung:

"I was sexual as a young child myself, and had had sexual experiences which I initiated, all of which did not harm me, as many would have you believe, but increased my awareness."

Yes Harry, children do have sexual curiosity, confined to their own age. Playing doctor and you show me yours I'll show you mine are childhood games that inform children about sexual differences while still maintaining their innocence.

" Even a child makes his/her own decisions, whether there are laws against it or not."

Yes, but it's up to the adult to know and uphold the law.

"It is important to factor in a child's conscious choice in defining what rape is."

Children's "choices" have nothing to do with defining rape.

"Mae it sounds to me that you have contempt for children's ability to make choices."

It sounds more to me like you have no boundaries with regards to having sex with children other than to project on them that it was their "choice." Good luck telling that to a judge.

Harry WTF is wrong with you!? I can only assume from your statement that you and Sandusky are of the same ilk.

bob, I'm not blaming the victim. I am saying it is quite possible that there was no violation that occurred in the shower incident. I know the law says one thing, but the legal system doesn't reflect the reality of the human condition. A child chooses whether the law says a child can or not. Fact. I didn't black out during my sexual experiences. Rather, I must say I enjoyed them. No, I do not belong to NAMBLA. I'm amazed such an organization exists. What I do not understand is why such a group organized themselves in such a manner, while no other similar group exists for other sexual variances?

You know, it was not too long ago, when the same things that people said about pedophilia was said about homosexuality. (e.g. it's wrong it's disgusting it's not right, etc.) Now look at how homosexuality has been mainstreamed. One could make the same arguments for pedophilia / child sexuality that got homosexuality accepted, don't you think?

Homosexuals argue, don't discriminate based on sexual orientation. Women argue, don't discriminate based on gender. Well I say, don't discriminate based on age. Respect child sexuality.

I, to this day, remember everything I did during my sexual encounters as a child. I made conscious choices and I don't regret them. Don't take the power of choice away from children. As for the myth of child 'innocence,' I'd say that equates to ignorance, and ignorance disappears the moment knowledge or experience is gained, so don't argue that innocence needs to be maintained = keep them ignorant.

If you or any other like-minded freak should try to mess with my child, I'll share some knowledge with you.

I may not know what "causes" pedophilia, but I'll damn well show you the cure.

@ Harry Baung:

"No, I do not belong to NAMBLA. I'm amazed such an organization exists."

Amazed but not disgusted. That says a lot.

"What I do not understand is why such a group organized themselves in such a manner, while no other similar group exists for other sexual variances?"

In other words you don't understand why such an organization doesn't exist for child molesters with a preference for girls. Like you.

That says it all.

Bob...Either you are a troll or a child molester....There is no legal sexual act between a child and a minor...Even if in your little world the child "initiates" it there is a violation because it's against the law..Again I hope you are a troll...Because if not the Police need to pay you a visit and take your computer away....I'm sure they'd have issue with all of your "initiations" that are on it....

Harry Baung (should be "Dung")

Your posts are are indicative of the posts a pedophile would make. I truly believe you are a pedophile and are in denial about your condition. I seriously hope you don't have any children. If you do, please do the child(ren) a favor and stay as far away from him/her as possible. In fact, you should stay away from ALL children as there is no cure for pedophilia. You need to be reported to the proper authorities...hopefully before it's too late for any child(ren) that have been exposed to you.

@Jen Lance-Johnson

My comment was a mere suggestion for people to know the facts before contributing to the discussion. When exercising your freedom of speech, it's a common courtesy to ensure that what you're saying isn't completely incorrect or misleading.

Uninformed comments from people regurgitating false information they heard from hearsay have completely obscured fact from fiction in this case.

You can't say whatever you feel like saying knowing a statement is false and then fall back on "freedom of speech".

Rob: I think you meant Baung and not Bob. Bob's comment is right on.

Rob68

I believe your comment was for Harry Baung..not Bob (what Bob posted is correct), but I agree with what you posted if it applies to Harry.

HopeyChangeyFeely

I believe your incorrect about which incident was actually reported to the police. It was not the incident witnessed by Mike McQueary that was reported to the police. It was a 1998 incident involving another one of Jerry Sandusky's victims that was reported to the police by the victims mother.

You're right Rev...I meant baung..Sorry Bob....

Harry Baung gives us a unique opportunity to look at the thought process of a child molestor/predator. I always wondered how they managed to rationalize their behavior- now I know.

One could make the same arguments for pedophilia / child sexuality that got homosexuality accepted, don't you think?

NO!

There is a huge difference between consentual sex between adults (whether male/female, male/male or female/female) and an adult having sex with a child.

Good observation CA Nurse.

@Harry Baung:

"bob, I'm not blaming the victim. I am saying it is quite possible that there was no violation that occurred in the shower incident. I know the law says one thing, but the legal system doesn't reflect the reality of the human condition. A child chooses whether the law says a child can or not."

In other words he's not blaming the victim because to him, there's no such thing as victims. Children, according to their own laws (i.e.Baung's), are willing participants.

"Fact. I didn't black out during my sexual experiences."

Oh, so this is all about you. Well you have a pretty low threshold as to what constitutes child sexual abuse Harry. By the time a child passes out they are experiencing extreme pain, sometimes hemorrhaging.

I have a question, its a little off the main topic, but of the replies to Harry Baung. What if a 16 year old girl shows a fake id to a man, she looks 18 but hes being safe, according to the law if she willingly consents to have sex she is still raped. The man has sex with her but when hes arrested and states she showed him an ID the police don't believe him and the girl lies to keep from getting in trouble for having a fake ID. This happened to me, she was 17, 2 months from being 18 years old and I fortunately never had sex, but I was still arrested and spent 20,000 in legal fees. I unfortunately could barely afford an attorney. So in the end I got raped.... by the legal system. What do you all think about that? Sandusky is evil, but there are a lot of us innocent people who get burnt at the stake for being witches, even today.

Brian....Yes innocent people get burned...But this isn;t the case and it IS a bit off topic and really has nothign to do with Sandusky..Not sure if you are looking for some form of satisfaction in regard to you getting the shaft??

Harry Baung...I sincerely hope you do not have employment involving children. You are obviously one sick puppy. I'm contacting the FBI to see if they're interested in your comments and to investigate who you really are and if you have any regular contact with children. Your comments are simply too seriously perverted to ignore.

Harry Baung - you are one sick person. I can't even imagine how that mind of yours works. It is my hope that you do not have any children of your own. I think some bleach in your gene pool is in order.

Punctuation saves lives.

"Let's eat Grandma!"

"Let's eat, Grandma!"

Just goes to show that no matter where you look, our educational institutions are too focused on sports over education...when someone can't puncuate accurately, it's a BIG educational fail

The punctuation has been fixed

machspeeddemon, unfortunately even punctuation can't save you from a bad cop that misinterprets your words.

Troll!

You're a bit disturbing, and perhaps even disturbed, Harry. We are talking about an adult male taking advantage of underage boys. There is no excuse for that. As for the child's sexuality, until they reach the legal age of consent, anything done to them constitutes statutory rape.

Actually football is NOT important. It's a GAME...that's all. It's infuriating that so many people see it as more than it is...a stupid GAME.

lawful1, the legal system and its arbitrary laws and definitions ignores the reality of human biology and development. Yes I agree there is a great power discrepancy between the adult and the child, even more than between a man and a woman, but that does not mean a child cannot choose even in such situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAiEPUu0iO4&feature=fvst

Sir Kit, you'd be surprised how much energy people put into following sports. Their lives revolve around it, their moods rise and fall with their team's winning or losing. Ultimately though, I agree with you -- it's a distraction and doesn't solve any problem whatsoever. Politics also is very much like a sport -- you pick a team, that team sometimes loses sometimes wins, but in the end nothing ever gets solved. No social or psychological or economic problem ever gets solved by politics or sports. It's just one group forcing their will against another group. Sports and politics are not therapy. They are merely forms of entertainment (distractions).

lawful1, you are disturbed because you are seeing a side of reality you have never seen before possibly. I am real. 'Truth is stranger than fiction.' I am giving you new data that will enable you to see reality clearer than you have before, which means certain old notions may have to be revised to accommodate the new data. People will evolve. You will evolve. You will know better about such matters than you ever have before. That's progress.

lawful - this had NOTHING to do with football. It was one sick depraved man who just happened to be an EX-football coach.

Stop burying your head in the sand and do the research you advise others to do...it had EVERYTHING to do with Penn State football...the victims clearly stated over and over and over again that it was the lure of being a part of PS football that kept them within Sandusky's grasp...you and other PS fanatics are part of the problem that caused this nightmare...and, your disgusting comments about Vicky show yourself to be a misogynist of the highest order...just because she wouldn't sign off on everything Joe Paterno wanted to do, including covering up when some of his football players beat up students,

Everyone at Penn St had been kissing Paterno's butt for decades, it's all anyone could do because he won football games and that was the important thing at Penn St. Along comes Vicky Triponey and she has the guts to stand up to Paterno and he couldn't handle it so she had to go. They should have made her president and got rid of Spanier.

I truly hope law enforcement is aware of Harry's post, subpoena NBC's internet provider, and investigate. He is attempting to justify child abuse.

Why are his despicable comments still visible? They should be deleted...

How much material gain has to do with the motivations of the accusers I have no idea.

...Sandusky is innocent...

Hahahahahaha....LOL.....ROFL....LMAO....stop, or I'll pee my pants!

"Innocent"!

ROFLMAO!!

(I hope there are no children depending on your judgement to protect them from animals like that guilty ba$tard Sandusky.)

...I have no idea.

Yeah, you really don't. You have no idea. And no clue.

Christ another nut! No evidence? What, did you think the kids were going to film the acts? You should get together with Harry you two sound good for each other. But if one of you isn't 10 it's probably not work out.

i HOPE you are NEVER on a rape jury...if you need concrete proof, you would never convict anyone of anything...you are probably an OJ juror

I totally agree with you, and I too fail to see how other people can take the report as Gospel. The report has hundreds of witnesses for the scandal, yet it didn't even interview the most important people in the case (Sandusky, Curly, Schultz, and Spanier). On top of all that, there is not a single piece of concrete evidence that supports Louis Freeh's completely biased conclusions. The whole thing is a poor excuse of an investigation.

I think that people tend to agree with the report though because it was almost immediately accepted by the new president of Penn State and the Board of Trustees (who funded the report and surprise surprise, were found not accountable in the scandal). That and PR screaming for swift justice makes it all the easier to spread the blame around.

Personally, I'd like an INDEPENDENT party to come in and mount their own investigation to find the truth, but I don't see that happening due to people's acceptance of the Freeh report (unfortunately).

Also on a side note, who says Curly/Schultz/Spanier/Paterno knew the extent of Sandusky's actions in the locker room with the boy. McQuery has changed his story so many times it's hard to glean what actually occurred, so it's possible the four could have acted on misinformation.

@Ron,

No one is "depending" on the Freeh Report. The Freeh Report was committioned by the Penn State Board of Trustees so they could see how much evidence there was against Sandusky, but also Spanier, Paterno, Curley and Schultz. And the BoT wanted recommendations as to how to clean up the mess. Freeh did a good job, convening a blue ribbon panelk and calling on his time as FBI Director to bring in first-class investigators.

The Freeh Report only scratched the surface. Not everything they discovered was cited in the report. Just enough eviedence was given to let the BoT know how serious the matter was, who was involved up to their necks, and some recommendations that could be taken to start toward cleaning uyp the mess. The BoT instead, chose to ignore the Freeh Report's recommendations and to side with the perpatrators instead of the victims. The first Freeh recommendation was that the BoT resign because they had failed so badly in their oversight role. They refused.

But the bottom line is that the Freeh turned over "hundreds of cartons" of e-mails and interviews and other evidence to the FBI and Pennsylvania authorities for legal prosecution. The Freeh Report had absolutely no legal standing. The Sandusky trial (which 100% supported the Freeh findings) did have legal standing. And, starting with today's press conference which is presumed to announce charges against individuals including Graham Spanier, all of it will have legal standing.

The difference is that the Freeh Report was an "informal" investigation conducted by the BoT. What happened to Sandusky and what will happen starting today is the result of a formal investigation that will result in some serious prison time. It is unfortunate that Sandusky, Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and the Paterno family will all be represented by the best lawyers the Pennsylvania taxpayers can afford.

No one mentions the victims. The current estimates remain "well over 100" vulnerable young boys who were victimized. Apparently Sandusky favored thin, blond, pre-pubescent young men and even had a long list of potential victims. And the most damning thing about Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno is that they knew of Sandusky's activities for around 12 years and did absolutely nothing to stop him. And NEVER ONCE DID THESE "MEN" (and I use the term loosely) INQUIRE AS TO THE WELFARE OF THE VICTIMS OR TRY TO INSURE THAT THERE WERE NO MORE VICTIMS. For that reason alone, they deserve to rot inb prison in the cell next to Sandusky.

Then complain to the PS who hired him

These men lied to and obstructed the Grand Jury investigation. On the Freed report, the school cooperated -- albeit in an attempt to cover their own behinds. of COURSE the report would lead to additional charges, as these men LIED the first time around and more details were uncovered when the school fully cooperated.

Also, not the first time that a school administrator has moved sensitive files to their homes, believing that would protect him or her from a search warrant or further investigation. I worked in a school district where the superintendant admitted to doing the same when his former district was sued. They must teach that at administration school

Know-How, You want to "know how" I know you are full of ish? You mention that Freeh failed to speak the "most important" people in the case. First, not one of those men would have spoken to him out of fear of self imcrimination. Second, those men aren't the most important in this case and never were. THE RAPED AND ABUSED BOYS ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THIS CASE! Get lost you sorry apologist for a pedophile...

It indeed probably was a conspiracy, with multiple parties involved, maybe more massive than anybody even imagines, esp. if you consider The Second Mile and its connections to people like former U.S. presidents... maybe this is way bigger than we all imagine it to be.

And maybe you're a child molester yourself. You sure seem to have Sandusky's frame of mind.

"The kid consented"

"Kids can make their own decisions"

"Its a conspiracy"

What next, are you going to claim Sandusky was raped by 10 year old kids and not the other way around?

I certainly wouldn't let you around my kids that's for sure.

BP, the pedophilia phenomenon will not ever end until we gain a better understanding of what causes it. Most people are content to believe that it's merely a choice of 'free will,' but it's not constructive to model human behavior that way. It's critical that we come up with a better model to explain such behavior, rather than reacting involuntarily in a destructive manner and only demanding more violence in response to perceived violence.

How about we investigate our governor while you're at it. He was Attorney General of Pennsylvania and didn't think an investigation was warranted at the time. Might be a lot of people in high places that could have done something about this much earlier.

Yes how convenient of Joe Paterno to have died before he could testify in court. RIP

@Stupid,

Paterno DID testify ---- he perjured himself.

Joe did NOT perjure himself.

Sure he did...over and over and over again...why do you think that he DEMANDED a new contract as soon as he heard he would have to give testimony...he KNEW the jig was up for him

@wryview,

Paterno said he has absolutely no knowledge of what was going on. That is a lie and IS perjury!

And the thing to watch for is that Paterno had long asserted that using computers, and especially using e-mail was "unmanly." Paterno never used e-mail himself and probably didn't even know how to use a computer at all. (Kind of strange in the Moneyball era!) But that is why we will hear all about Paterno's perjury in coming days and weeks and months.

You see, with Paterno dead, it would be difficult to introduce any e-mails from Paterno himself. That would violate some basic heresay rules. And I am sure an idiot like Paterno felt that not using e-mail would insulate him from the allegations to some degree. But what the Freeh and the FBI did not miss is that Paterno used graduate assistants to send and receive e-mails on his behalf. There are at least 14 graduate students who were interviewed (among over 430 others in the Freeh investigation alone) about the e-mails in which "Coach" inquired about the investigations into Sandusky over a period of 12 years. These graduate students can testify as to what Paterno told them to write, about his reactions to the replies, and to Paterno's general state of mind and any comments he made to them. And it will not be heresay, it will be first person testimony.

Not only did Paterno purjure himself. Unfortunately for his legacy, he did it using witnesses to do the actual proof of such. Paterno was a sleaze-ball who covered up countless episodes of misbehavior in the Penn State football program. The simple proof is that numerous reported incidents of fights, bribes, rapes and other serious misconducts were swept under the rug by Paterno to "protect" his professional football program. Others, seeing the potential damage, helped him. But make no mistake --- Paterno was the kingpin in the coverup. And there is plenty of evidence.

He basically destroyed a great football program and seriously damaged a great school.

Chris 749...

Hearsay is an out of court statement being offered for the truth of the matter asserted - day one of evidence in law school. Your assertions as to what and would not be "admissible" are 100% incorrect. Fifteen years of trial experience tells me that a graduate student's claims as to what Mr. Paterno allegedly said, except in very narrow circumstances, would be inadmissible.

If Mr. Paterno was a party to the case then the opposing party could offer the statements as an exception to hearsay. However, since Mr. Paterno cannot be a Defendant in a criminal case due to his demise, those alleged statements will not "come in." If, however, Mr. Paterno had actually written incriminating emails and they could be authenticated, the emails would be more than likely admitted under a hearsay exception such as the business records exception.

Overall, your argument lacks credibility because of your ignorance of that which you profess to understand - hearsay.

Yes, there was a lot of money, prestige and fame involved in the equation here involving multiple parties. No doubt some corruption was present. Where there is a lot of money to be made or lost, you will find some criminal element at work there.

That really does sound sinister. Maybe people with some really powerful connections are involved here, and would like to hide their involvement.

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I honestly believe this as well. I also believe that Penn State should have received the death penalty. There is far too much evidence, and manipulations from too many departments. So how did they get off the hook? Like you said, this goes far deeper than any of us will ever know. Sad, sad story.

Look up The Franklin Cover-up to see how things like this can operate...then do some research to see how some of the people involved with Franklin were involved with people in Sandusky's periphery.

I don't believe the current Penn State football team should be penalized, as those players and coaches had nothing to do with this horrible chain of abuse and cover-up, but all those involved should be prosecuted to the fullest.

Dr. Graham Spanier was NEVER "fired" from Penn State. He was jumped back from president to tenured full professor and continues in that capacity. Penn State will pay all his legal expenses just as they did with Sandusky. His work for Homeland Security is conducted under sabattical leave.

His security clearance was not revoked because no charges had yet been filed. Once charges are filed, it will instantly vanish. The FBI did not consider the Freeh Report anything except an informal investigation commissioned by the Penn State Board of Trustees.

Sir Kit - Spanier was NOT fired from the university. He is still a professor there.

@wryview,l

Spanier was fired as President and demoted by the BoT. He then took up duties as the Chair, Dept of Social Work, an appointment by the BoT. Unfortunately, the old Chair of the department appealed his "firing" (demotion) to make room for Spanier. He won and Spanier was demoted again to tenured full Professor of Social Work. Later he was relieved of his teaching duties, leaving him with basically no income, if you understand how academic salary work. So retaining the title, but no duties, Spanier took a BoT-approved sabbatical and picked up a contract, probably on social metrics, from the Dept of Homeland Security so he would have an income. With no real duties at the university, and without emeritus status, a good case could be made that he is adjunct faculty and his tenure is moot and null. The BoT has chosen not to take this step.

Also, it is correct that paying for Sandusky's, et al legal expenses is "in their contract" there is also a "moral turpitude clause" in their contract that is "A phrase used in Criminal Law to describe conduct that is considered contrary to community standards of justice, honesty, or good morals. Crimes involving moral turpitude have an inherent quality of baseness, vileness, or depravity with respect to a person's duty to another or to society in general. Examples include rape, forgery, Robbery, and solicitation by prostitutes."

It is sometimes a little difficult to exercise a moral turpitude clause without the actual charge of a criminal act --- just general rottenness is legally iffy. But once charged, there is sufficient grounds on which the BoT can choose to cease paying all their attorney fees. They are still paying for Sandusky's appeal, so I would imagine that the BoT will CHOOSE to continue to pay their legal fees with taxpayer dollars. So all we have to do to see if there is still collusion in the picture is to see whether Spanier's tenured status is removed and whether he is made "adjunct" faculty. My bet is that buddies are still covering one anothers backs. Of course, with the agreement and help of people like yourself.

Many jurisdictions impose penalties, such as deportation of Aliens and disbarment of attorneys, following convictions of
crimes involving moral turpitude.

The child probably participated willingly in the shower incident. Maybe McQueary knew about this, having observed the encounter with his own eyes. Maybe McQueary didn't want to harm either the child or Sandusky.

Very true, Normal. And why didn't he then and there call 911, forget school protocol and do what's morally right, if it was his son Sandusky was putting the meat to, do you think he would have responded differently, sure he would have. McQuearey is a piece of $hit himself and needs put in the same cell with Sandusky.

Harry, the kids were getting rewards and bribes from Sandusky. most were poor homeless neglected kids in the first place. Pull your head out of the sand.

1stFreedom, it might be more complicated than that. I think Sandusky truly cared about abandoned children, but he had his own childhood issues, which is why he got into this trouble. I do not believe the Second Mile was created purely for sexual purposes. I think he had some sincere intentions there. It's like saying Michael Jackson created Never Never Land just so he could have sex with children. I think it's more complicated than that. Just as Michael Jackson's feelings toward children was not purely sexual, I think the same applies to Sandusky. But I do agree sexual urges did mix in with empathy most likely.

While I don't necessarily agree with how McQuery handled the situation, he did not 'walk out' - if you read the available info, he did verify it stopped before he left - albeit only by making noise to let Sandusky know someone was there.

He could have done a lot more, but who knows his mental make-up at the time. It's easy to sit here and judge but in most stressful situations, people under perform what most believe they would have done.

"Harry Baung

The child probably participated willingly in the shower incident. Maybe McQueary knew about this, having observed the encounter with his own eyes. Maybe McQueary didn't want to harm either the child or Sandusky."

Dude what don't you get? A child molester "Grooms" their victims into believing it's ok and natural. Much like you seem to be claiming. Its an Adult TRICKING a child into sex.

You are a sick person Harry I'm betting you've had sex with minors, recently.

normal midwestern girl - Sandusky was found "not guilty" of that charge. So they can't do anything to McQueary.

Right. Kill the messenger. That will help alot.

...if everyone on earth went gay today...

If they "went gay"?! As in, "I went to Cleveland today, but first I went gay" ?!

There is still a troglodyte out there who thinks it's a "choice"! Funny!

Pre-pubescent children are naturally more androgynous than adults, which means bisexuality comes more easily to them. Gender differences are much less pronounced in children, which makes them more easily go either way sexually. It is my theory that phenomenon such as homosexuality and pedophilia can form at this stage of development in a person's life, depending on experiences and environment, with possibly genetics also as a predisposing, but not predetermining, factor. I think that people who are arrested at this stage of social/sexual development (for whatever reason) are the ones who become primarily homosexual or pedophilic in their sexual preferences as adults.

Mach, life is based on two fundamentals, choice and chance. How one acts or behaves is based on choice, if someone gets snake bit while fishing, that's chance. Get the difference. The primary purpose of any species is to re-produce, all else is secondary. I can't recall in history of ever knowing of any gays re-producing, can you. Bisexuals have, but not pure gays. Gay's usually have pets they call there little babies, as a substitution.

Doling out physical punishment or quarantine is just like treating the symptoms of a disease. There will always be pedophiles that emerge, unless we figure out the root cause of such behavior and take steps to prevent it. Brute force is not the solution to everything! Passing laws and forcefully enforcing such laws is always the worst solution to any problem, for it means that we've failed to understand the problem deep enough.

Oh god Harry unfortunately I have read all your posts and you have me so angry, let me explain, you keep saying pedophilia has to be studied and we need to get to the root cause to prevent it, well it HAS been studied over and over and you know what they found? That some people are selfish, self centered, sneaky, perverted sexual deviants WHO CANNOT BE CURED. It's a sexual mental illness and obsession. They are evil sexual predators who enjoy what they do! And don't give a damn about the children's feelings. There is no cure, there never will be. It's also hard to cure deviants because they see nothing wrong with it and keep making excuses for there sick behavior, LIKE YOU DO!!!! All we can do is make laws to help protect children, and lock up the perverts so they cannot harm children. I personally believe they should be REMOVED FROM THE GENE POOL PERMANENTLY!!! Because HOPEFULLY if we keep removing them from the gene pool there will be less and less of them as time goes by. You are in denial. Society will NEVER accept and condone sex with a child, like we have done with homosexuality, because that is between consenting adults. And you talk about children consenting, but there minds and bodies are not mature enough yet to make a decision to enter into a sexual relationship, especially with a sick predatory adult. That's why they have to be legally protected until they are old enough and mentally more mature. Any adult who even wants to have sex with a child is mentally SICK. And your right we have to take steps to prevent it. Like jail, castration and the death penalty. I would say pedophiles want to have sex with children because they are perverted and incurable and unable to have NORMAL satisfying sexual relationship with other adults. So they PREY on children. Because they think they can control them. And when someone is SNEAKY about what they are doing it's proof that THEY KNOW IT'S WRONG!!!! They just don't care about anyone but themselves!!! They don't care they are destroying some poor child's life. And you speak like you have been a sexual deviant from a young age. Please if you have any sexual desires on children or animals please blow your brains out ASAP and take one for the team, and take yourself out of the gene pool! Because you and the rest like you are incurable. You can't even see how twisted your thought process is. But the rest of us can, don't worry. We see right through.

He's the only criminal unless people knew and didn't say anything. The difference is in knowing and not saying anything. Not knowing? I agree. If you didn't know, you shouldn't be accused.

Yes, assign the blame to x, y, and z but please protect our precious football. Look at [insert other organization that did someting bad but has nothing to do with PSU], they are comparitively as bad or worse and their consequences don't seem as bad to us because we're not directly vested in them so that should somehow mitigate the punishments dropped on us. WE ARE.....PENN STATE!!!!

/sarcasm

When the guilty act on behalf of the institution with the motivation of protecting the institution's image/brand, then the institution gets punished along with the individuals to show that the institution isn't above anything. This method discourages patsies and martyrs from "taking one for the team" to further the greater good.

Everybody is accountable. You can't really pin any incident upon one single person although the legal system tries to. No one acts truly in isolation of one's environment.

I doubt pedophilia sex scandals occur purely because of some choice a person made. You have to look at the context and environment it occurs in. This could be bigger than anybody ever imagines. If you go up the chain of cause-and-effect, maybe it could be said the competitive economic system is to blame, which promotes an environment where the ruthless exploitation of one human being by another, for personal gain, is encouraged and rewarded.

It's bigger and worse than you can imagine,

you people need to watch "CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE: The Franklin cover up"

it involves major players in our government

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma22jxA5xZY

Yes, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

They DID go to the police. Schultz was in charge of the University Park police - a fully authorized municipal police department.

Because University Police under the direction of Schultz couldn't be involved in a cover up? Right. I'm not fully convinced that the various agencies outside of State College weren't taking part in a coverup back in '98.

The nation watched as thousands rioted and overturned news vehicles at PSU. We watched hundreds protest in favor of cowardly enabler JoePooPoo. We witnessed the ruckus over taking down JoePed's statue. The Freeh report speaks of the pervasive culture at PSU that placed football above children. I have been there and I witnessed first hand this attitude among the citizens of unHappy Valley, from school teachers, to students, to clerks to store managers, to waitresses, to hotel managers, to retired librarians. It's downright scary.

A recent poll shows that Penn State grads are the number one choice for employers. It is ranked in the top 50 of universities WORLD wide. My child is applying there & I hope she gets accepted. It is a great university.

Some Big 12 schools hired some of their football players.

GO PENNIS STATE!!

No one "hired" any football players.

I'm sorry. I meant: gave them refuge.

I knew a Penn state grad once. He was a 30 year old dock foreman in a warehouse in Texas.

He counted freight for a living.

Penn State was ranked 101st in the world, not the top 50 so you're wrong. This is based on data from several years ago- not accounting for recent data so it's warped.

If you want to send your kid to a university that has damaged so many people and has since tarnished it's image go ahead! At least I care where I send my kid and it won't be to a 'house of ill repute' sex scandal cess pool like PS. My child will enjoy taking the job yours otherwise might have had.

Forbes recently posted their list of top 100 colleges and universities in the U S and Penn St wasn't on it. Top 50 in the world? I don't think so.

You are correct. PSU before the scandal was rated 184th in the nation. Pretty far down the line, I'd say.

Have you read the emails? They don't say anything.

From what I understand, the e-mails "...don't say anything." However, they can be used in criminal trials. The rules on hearsay evidence are different in cases like this. There is also concurrent validity, witnesses to say "fooling around" was a code...