There's nothing better to see something blowing up in Tweety Bird's face! Maybe it's about time for Faux News to do a complete colonoscopy of their news staff instead of blaming other news networks for rigging the election!

Oh, and Mr. Hannity, How was yesterday's hangover?

It's hilarious listening to these weasels (sorry, you real weasels for insulting you that way) are pivoting and faking to justify their own existence. They're seeing the end of their gravy train. The reality is that they are nothing more than blood suckers that have figured out a brilliant scam to separate their gullible billionaires from loads of free money.

What I'd really like to know is how these clowns calculate a "ROI". It can't be anything like how it's calculated in real accounting terms. Wouldn't surprise me if they assigned a "value" for the drone (that would be bozos like you, Akin) they get elected in terms of the money he can supposedly deliver to the gullible billionaire.

That was truly Great Moments In TV watching Rove huff and puff and blow his fat cheeks out insisting that black was white WRT/Ohio. He was close to blowing a gasket in Real Time. The only thing that would have made the show better would have been if he'd have fallen off his chair into fetal-position convulsions on the floor. I'd have liked that.

Karl Rove was ... may have had the worst election night of anybody in American politics.

Karl Rove may be a brilliant political strategist; but he's still not a God like some Republicans would like you to believe. If anything, he's just an educated fool.

karl rove you are the biggest LOSER EVER you shoud go hide for the blunder that cost your croony group LARRY

Rove's super PAC, American Crossroads, had a success rate of just 1 percent on $103 million in attack ads -- one of the lowest "returns on investment" (ROIs) of any outside spending group in this year's elections.

I have lived to see the day when Karl Rove was utterly demolished in public fashion. Dragged through the streets for the thug he surely is. There is an added sweetness to this presidential victory. Karl Rove is dead - his fall from grace - mighty.

The National Rifle Association spent $11 million, and got shut out.

Those words are like poetry. The merchants of death, those fear-mongering, greedy S.O.B.'s threw away eleven million dollars! Imagine how that money could have been used to help people instead of to kill them.

Watch for a dramatic increase in the price of guns. Somebody else has got to make up for that loss.

Speaking of Fox Cable, how much does it cost to run a 24/7 TV station to promote a candidate? I would cut them some slack if they tried to be objective.

Like any business, they calculate ROI independent of societal impacts. So, yes, they failed to elect a major f@#kup like Akin, but also left burning embers and false accusations on their trail against the legitimate candidate Clair McCaskill. The other effects of their gawd-awful ads are general depression, consumer confidence suppression, and a general hatered for government in general... besides blowing out my base speakers with their evil music.

Yea, let's let free market forces take unbridled control... hell yea!!!

Seriously? ... over my dead body. This is an issue I will fight forever if I have to. This coming from someone that's been in the corporate environment for 30 years. Business has no concience.

With all that money given to the Super Paks, no GOP donors have room to complain about high taxes. The writeoff's will be stellar! Oops... Can they write campaign contributions off on their taxes?

If not, oops. My bad.

ir12

Speaking of Fox Cable, how much does it cost to run a 24/7 TV station to promote a candidate? I would cut them some slack if they tried to be objective.

Another example of serious societal issues. Talked to anyone that watches FOX exclusively lately? Jaw dropping statements of twisted facts and hate. I wish they'd include "TV channels viewed" in the demographics stats... would be interesting.

And I understand that Rove's Super PAC somehow claimed to be non-political... claimed to be focused on social issues so the donors weren't required to expose themselves... am I all wet on this one? Anyone have the straight story?

Did anyone else get the feeling that Rove "knew" something about Ohio? He was acting like someone who spent all his money on an inside bet but the horse lost.

Can they write campaign contributions off on their taxes?

In a word, no.

Tax cheats that they are, we can expect them to try.

Interesting that Romney didn't spend any of his own money to be The Biggest Loser.

Karl Rove should be banished to Iraq.

Karl Rove...

America is NOT for Sale. You can't buy us no matter what the price. Well..... most of us, the one you did buy, lost.....

P.S. Republicans.... if Karl Rove can afford to give 20 MILLION.. then he can afford to PAY HIS fair of Taxes.

Ah, poor Karl, this must really break his heart with being such a failure! Now send him on down the road never to return. He has done far more damage to his party and to the U.S. than any other politician I know, except for Bush/Cheney. Yes, we can, yes, we did, and yes, we will continue defeating evil, greedy people like Rove!!!!

Karl freken Rove, fellow Repubs and Teabaggers...

"You live by the sword, you die by the sword"

This is the 21st century "political Woodstock" brother; money, alienation, scorn and hatred alone can NEVER win elections.

Alliances, PEACE, love and women WIN elections

The angry white vote was your demise

There is a limit to the impact of money on a political campaign. Attack ads, and even ads making extravagant promises eventually fall on deaf ears. If they're attacking a candidate you support, you mute the volume, change the station, or sit there and grind you teeth. If they're attacking a candidate you dislike, they're not telling you anything you don't already know [or at least believe].

Additionally, nobody who was not raised in an isolated cabin in the woods, credits the veracity of these ads. They are all full of overblown rhetoric, half-truths and outright lies.

I guess the only reason both sides engage in these carpet bombing tactics, is to keep up with each other, out of fear that their opponents ads, if not countered, will seem creditable to the voters. So garbage is answered by more garbage, and the only winners are ...the ad agencies and various media outlets.

I guess that's how sh!t happens.

These people do not want to pay taxes, but will spend to manipulate us. Sickening. Now the Repunant will hold us hostage...again.

Karl Rove was stunned with disbelief over Ohio's returns....Wondering why he was so certain that Romney would take Ohio? Could it have something to do with the fact that Tagg Romney (Mitt's son) purchased the comany that runs the electronic voting machines in Ohio? Did he expect to win Ohio because there was a plan to cheat the voters?

cschilton,

I am jewish too buddy but a righteous one.

Your entire line of thought in the above statement is exactly why you lost this election.

BTW brother, Obama got more than 70% of the Jewish vote including mine...

That speaks volume...

Shalom

cscliton-

your ancestors would hang you for comparing any of this modern day sh it to auschwitz.

These rich fu cks wouldn't give that kind of money to a starving nation but they'll gladly throw it at a political machine that they think will return major investments once their candidate is elected. pathetic...

also like how the conservatives paint a picture of the president and his three hundred thousand a year salary making the playing field unfair for gromney and his fifty five million dollars...

The best man won- get over it.

and to all you fake christians who would rather see a white mormon in office instead of a black christian, I'd do a little soul searching, a vast majority of you are probably according to your beliefs going to burn in hell...

your ancestors would hang you for comparing any of this modern day sh it to auschwitz.

Thank-you, doyourhomework, I could not have said it better.

Don't worry too much about Karl Rove. He has paid himself millions for being a conservative genius. The real genius move was bilking conservative millionaires, convincing them he could make a difference.

The real genius move was bilking conservative millionaires, convincing them he could make a difference.

Correct. And now these millionaires and billionaires will hire a pro to double-tap "Puffy" Rove.

Don't be fooled... super pacs played a huge role. If it weren't for the Super pacs it would have been a 65% -35% Obama victory, we wouldn't still have an Obstructive GOP house legislature. Wisconsin's legislature would be controlled by rational individuals. Michele Bachmann would be in Palinville and the country wouldn't be doomed to stagnation and corporate rape for the foreseeable future.

Here's a tip for the Republicans. Start representing "THE PEOPLE" and stop being the paid lapdogs of corporations and billionaires. I'm a private sector union member who is watching as the corporations try to steal pension fund money, outsource American jobs and take away other benefits of middle class workers. The company I work for is prosperous and the CEO makes 23 million dollars a year, by the way! The Republicans dont seem to have a problem with any of this. As a matter of fact, to them it's just good ole "Atlas Shrugged" capitalism.

PAC's had a huge impact on the campaigns, just not on the results.

@cschilton, finally a president who is not scared to stand
up to israel. He does not bow down to anybody. A president who is working for
us Americans no matter what faith they are. bibi netancrazyahoo came to visit
our president a few months before the elections trying to meddle in our
politics, basically wanting us to wage war on your behalf and guess what? bibi
got snubbed LOL. bibi went back home crying with his tail between his legs.
Then a week before the elections day, he came back to show support to romney and
trashed our president thinking that romney will win. Again guess what?
miscalculation, American Jews were smart and were not influenced by israel as
Docholliday. They are American first. So don't try to meddle in our politics
too.

Also as doc said: “Shalom lol….”

All that money wasted by the super Packs. and pro-business that could have bought their workers insurance or been used to help people instead used to try to push their GREED AGENDA! So glad my prayers were answered and it was all part of God's plan! If you let me compare to Murdock's words!

Glad it turned out the way it did. Rove and his rich "don't tax me" crew, wasted more money on this campaign for Romney then they probably would have paid in taxes!!!!

LOL!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!

They'll waste money like that and bitch about helping fellow Americans, (well, not THEIR fellow Americans) who are down on their luck, but most of those Americans are part of the 47%, a part who drank the kool-aid and voted for Romney...LOL!!

G. Bud #1.30 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:51 AM CST

Very good comments!!!

The Country is tired of the Rich Man's Politics! Karl Rove reminds me of that little turd in the ninth grade that was always trying to punk people and cause trouble.

I like seeing articles like this and the other one on NBC this morning about Campaign Finance Reform... We must get our values back and not give the Country away to the Wealthy.

The American people defeated the Supreme Court's efforts to allow corporate America to buy and sell the elections. The Chevron, Koch's, Wynn's and Adelson efforts to buy and then threaten employees jobs failed. Thank goodness! Unfortunately, like the worms in the apple they are, these evil people will be back. The Devil never takes a day off.

After reading this article I am truly relieved to see that disgusting amounts of money can't always buy something.It probably did influence it in some of our Representative races but corruption there is always expected. There are ways to stop the disgusting amounts of loot that our so called Reps. accept but as the fox looks after the hen house I doubt that we will ever lower that.evil.It will always be with us. We can't stop it by letting our Reps. make up the rules of their employment.However,congratulations to all for showing the buyers that they didn't completely buy this election!

I find it infinitely hilarious how Adelson spent $53 million dollars out of his own pocket trying to fight off a 2-3% rise in his marginal tax rate. Wouldn't he have been better off just staying at home?

Flame, go back to your Fux Noise blog-o-sphere (or as Bill Maher would say, "bubble") and choke on it.

"Liberal Media". Yep, vilify the free thinking news outlets in an effort to herd the less intelligent into your propaganda tent, ala Josef Goebbels (Hitler's "Media Guy", for those of you buying into the Nazi game,but are too dumb to know the original players).

FOX's pundits

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egos.

But...they are seriously incompetent..

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Even Mr. 9-9-9 had enough sense not to "go FOX"....

Megyn Kelly & Chris Wallace watching Karl Rove's meltdown: PRICELESS

Karl Rove as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz are very despicable men, they should burn in hell.

I disagree flame77

Superpacs didnt play a big role this election, because you cant polish a turd and pass it off as a pudding. But, if Romney had been more electable, and the Repub reputation not so tarnished, they would have had a much bigger impact.

The money should not be allowed, because it is going to skew the fairness sooner or later. Elections are already unfair, and that why theres no real 3rd party, or 4th.. etc.

freedom, au contraire. For 32 years, a large segment of the American electorate empowered the GOP, which bought off and stacked the Supreme Court (you know, our 3rd Branch of govt.) with miscreant misogynist Catholic men who oppose women's rights. This allowed SCOTUS to hand down the 2010 Citizens United decision that gave PACS and corporations the same rights as an American citizen. Had Bishop Romney won the presidency, the GOP would've then moved on to further stack the Supreme Court with even more misogynist men whose goal is to repeal Roe v. Wade and subjugate instead of represent the United States. Two Supreme Court Justices are set to retire, both solidly in support of women's health rights.

Awwwww, poor fat Karl. Let's all take a moment and make a sad face for Karl :-(

Kinda blew up in your face didn't Karl? All your insidious little plans and schemes were for naught because you forgot that the ditto-head followers of your propaganda wing (Rush Limbaugh and FOX news) were no longer a majority. They are now, very quickly becoming a MINORITY. How does that feel Pillsbury Dough Boy?

YOU are quickly becoming a MINORITY!

And the Latino-American and African-American community are buying your cheap crap!

Eat it raw Karl, eat it raw!

Folks, I predict we will see a Spanish language version of FOX NEWS very, very soon. You can bet your money on it.

WE NEED THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE to be re-instated ASAP so the public airwaves cannot be used for propaganda!

Funny how some people stand up for Karl when Karl makes his money through the mastery of dissension and bigotry ... he won't fall too far from grace because that's the main brew of Fox and followers!!!

Karl Rove is a boil on the a$$ of America, I'm glad to see him waste his time/money. He will always be remembered as the man who brought us the biggest f*^& up of a President, and his opinion will forever be discounted anywhere outside of Fox & Friends...

t('-'t) @ Karl Rove

POWER TO THE PEOPLE, POWER TO THE PEOPLE, POWER TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

"John Lennon"

P.S. Corporatons ARE NOT PEOPLE my friend!

Independent thinker: you should add grover norquist to your list of those who destroyed the repug party. And add his pledgers too.

The repug party decided to fight against the will of the people in 2010. They decided to fight for themselves. Superpacs were focused on money and what they could get. That's the huge difference between them and the libs. I am soooo glad they couldn't buy the election. The arrogance and presumptuousness that they thought they could is astounding. And they and karl got their backsides handed to them. Ain't karma grand. :D Thank you to all who did NOT vote repug on this election. Boehner was quoted as telling the pres that the pres is leader and he would follow him. That this was Obama's moment. Let's see how that works out. MAYBE we can actually get something done now.

I think it is hilarious that all these guys managed to do was reduce the percentage of their fail. That, plus, they injected a little over a billion dollars into the economy. That's their GOP stimulus, baby!!

LOL at fat cheeks. I gots to get home and watch the youtube of him blowing up. (blocked at work)

I happened to be on Fox when they called the election at 11:17 PM. It was a wonderful moment I will never forget, and ironic that it was on the propaganda channel.

The problem with the super-rich is that they believe they are immune from the struggles we all must face in life. They think they don't need anyone but themselves, but without their toadies they would be very much alone in the world. Donald Trump, can you hear me?

Money can't buy love. We are all going to die, and you can't take it with you.

Still celebrating here! So put on your happy shoes and enjoy the music! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OITxdCJg2Y

There is only one way to end the "money buying elections" issue and I've been trying to get everyone of you involved for over two years. If you haven't gone to www.faircampaignreform.us yet and gotten involved in the Popular Amendment Movement, why not? This is the ONLY way that the American citizens can ever take back the power of our electoral system. Congress will never do anything that will get past the current activist conservative SCOTUS to correct the problem. It is time to take the implied method that our founding fathers gave us, per James Wilson: http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html

Popular Amendment

One other way of amendment is also not mentioned in the Constitution, and, because it has never been used, is lost on many students of the Constitution. Framer James Wilson, however, endorsed popular amendment, and the topic is examined at some length in Akhil Reed Amar's book, The Constitution: A Biography.

The notion of popular amendment comes from the conceptual framework of the Constitution. Its power derives from the people; it was adopted by the people; it functions at the behest of and for the benefit of the people. Given all this, if the people, as a whole, somehow demanded a change to the Constitution, should not the people be allowed to make such a change? As Wilson noted in 1787, "... the people may change the constitutions whenever and however they please. This is a right of which no positive institution can ever deprive them."

It makes sense - if the people demand a change, it should be made. The change may not be the will of the Congress, nor of the states, so the two enumerated methods of amendment might not be practical, for they rely on these institutions. The real issue is not in the conceptual. It is a reality that if the people do not support the Constitution in its present form, it cannot survive. The real issue is in the practical. Since there is no process specified, what would the process be? There are no national elections today - even elections for the presidency are local. There is no precedent for a national referendum. It is easy to say that the Constitution can be changed by the people in any way the people wish. Actually making the change is another story altogether.

Suffice it to say, for now, that the notion of popular amendment makes perfect sense in the constitutional framework, even though the details of effecting popular amendment could be impossible to resolve.

It was upon this basis that I and a group of other Newsvine posters developed these two amendment proposals in July/august 2010 when we saw what Citizens United was leading to in the Congressional and state-wide races. I then paid to host the website for promoting the Popular Amendment Movement effort. Keeping the website running is my contribution to the cause, since I live in the US Virgin Islands where we have NO vote for president,NO representation in the Senate, and NO VOTE on the floor of the House (only a vote in whatever committee(s) our Delegate to Congress can be assigned to.) Yet our entire governance is determined by Congress through the Organic Act. We are basically second class citizens in the US territories. I lost my voice in government when I chose to move from OH to St. Croix in 1995 (for better weather.) PAM is a totally grassroots organization. We do not solicit any contributions and we have no formal organization. The website is the basic "organization." Download the petitions below from the site, sign them, circulate them among family, friends, neighbors, and co-workers. Email to everyone you know. Help form a local grassroots movement to collect the signatures and petitions, then work with other communities to form county/regional groups and a state-wide movement. Check with your Secretary of State to determine how many valid signatures would be required for YOUR state to call for the constitutional convention that would be required to pass these amendments. BE SURE TO MAKE COPIES OF EVERY PETITION AND HAVE THEM "DATE STAMPED" when you file the original petitions so that you have a record of what signatures were filed and when. That is your protection to make sure that your Secretary of State can't deny you your rights under the Constitution. OFA and all other grassroots groups should have been assisting in this effort for the past two years. It is not too late to get this done before the 2014/16 election cycle.

Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform

We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.

This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.

Name Signature State Address

Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits

We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)

This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.

Name Signature State Address

Maybe now this slimy creep will slither under his rock and go away for good ....Karl is the "dirt" in dirty politics.....

The wasted money and failed Super PAC efforts, may be the biggest victory for the US this election year.

Sarcasticus1 ... You're kidding right???? SLANTED .... Fox is not "slanted" Fox is direct in your face BS and anymore they have gotten far away from that "fair and balanced" crap that they pushed ...

I think it is time for Rove to retire. He should have learned that the people are tired of conceited people like him trying to force us to vote as he wishes. Most of us find Citizens United to be a smack in our faces. When a corporation or a company lies down its life in defense of our freedom, then we will talk. Until then SHUT UP. Yes Karl Rove we remember what you did and how you did it... And no we are not impressed... Sickened is more like it...

Take Rove, shove Icahn under one arm and Murdoch under the other then push them into the ocean.

In retrospect,I can now see why these repressive governments are attempting to ban the Internet commentaries. I believe that the most influential cause of the super packs inability to buy this election was the comments that originated on face book, twitter,newsvine at.al. I expect that this will be so until they come up with a way to negate those inter net ways for the people to exchange thoughts and ideas. Good for the Internet blogs!

I don't see any articles harping on the fact that Florida refuses to declare the winner. It's a disgrace to those in Democratic districts that were forced to endure six hours in line in an attempt to suppress their vote not to have their voice heard that President Obama won Florida.

This refusal to announce President Obama the winner is just another attempt to disenfranchise these voters in the future and to make them feel that they do not count and will not count. We should be discussing this.

You might feel that it's not important because the election has already been decided but you are wrong. This is another tactic of voter suppression so these people will not turn out for the next election. It's deliberate and wrong.

Jo Ann-666954 ... don't you get it ... your type of misguided thinking and totally unfounded slander is what we just flushed down the toilet along with Karl in this last election .... go away with your hate!

JoAnn, you are forgetting that all of that increase in food stamp recipients was caused by the economic collapse that your lovable GOP created over the past 30 years. It was NOT caused by any of Obama's policies. In fact, his policies will lead to a reduction in those recipient numbers as people return to work.

TRMS was hilarious last night. When Ohio was called by the news media outlets for Obama, FAUX News had Karl Rove in the house. WAIT, WAIT, HOLD EVERYTHING, THE GREAT AND POWERFUL KARL ROVE SAYS ITS NOT OVER.

So the anchor desk crew goes through their gyrations and mental mastrubations on verifying the call by their own warroom pundits. We got to watch the sexy, blonde bimbo walk through the office, of course someone had to hold her hand while she walked down 2 steps in her 6 inch heels, then we got to watch her backside walk down the hallway to the epicenter of the problem. The 2 nerds that they questioned said, "we are confident with calling Ohio in Obama's favor", how confident? "99.95% confident", "there just are not enough Romney votes out there."

Back to the anchor desk, Octopus Rove has now affixiated himself in a chair at the table where the millions of braindead FAUX viewers can take in all of his splendor. The anchor says, "we now have Karl Rove with us, he is crunching the numbers, writing furiously, and pointing his finger at so and so, things are happening." The look on the face of the anchorman was telling us that this was just a pony show that was going to leave his anchor desk with a big pile of chit that he would have to clean up later.

I will hand it to FOX, I was toggling back and forth to see how information was coming on both sides, FOX called Colorado quicker than MSNBC.

Last night was fun watching The Ed Show, TRMS, and Lawrence ODonnell.

Just maybe these really smart investors should rethink how they do business in its entirety. Maybe they should get their candidates to actually start helping the american workers and small businesses during the next four years and try to outdo the democrats when they write their bills. Let that be their bait to win and then nail us with their switch after they secure the seats and presidency. They spent four years terrorizing groups of citizens with their rhetoric and expected a few months of campaigning just the opposite of what they'd been spewing for years thinking the same groups they've been terrorizing with their threats of new laws to limit their rights would forget what they'd said and trust them? Not going to happen in the real world.

Jo Ann-666954,

Obama won the WH , simply because he was the "likable " guy and he certainly did pitch a much better campaign !! He did not win because his actions or record .

I think Americans wanted the president and first family thar they could like . It's almost like americans want to have "perfect feel good family in the WH" ( like the new Kenedy family ) ,,,He was insulated by all media scrutiny and criticisum . All the big name celebrities endorsed him . So many people went with the most popular guy ( Like a celebrity reality show)

Americans want to entertained almost constantly , and it's as if this is the "reality show of the nation"

I did not vote for Obama , but I do congratulate him on his winning th election. I hope America will be satisfied with their choice . And I also hope we become colser together as americans . Right now we are way too "polarized" as a nation .

That's a very discouraging feeling for this American

Or just maybe he won because of the things he did that only the people effected could see and feel? If you were fighting against those things, you didn't feel them but if you were hoping for the changes he made or supported them, then you were in the majority and voted for him to continue onward and solidify those changes.

increase in food stamp recipients was caused by the economic collapse that your lovable GOP created over the past 30 years. It was NOT caused by any of Obama's policies.

@anti-trust proponent, really? Below is one chart going back to 1976.

http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Percent.jpg

caribbeanslim ... you are being a little disingenuous .... I voted for Obama because of what he was able to accomplished in 3+ years in the face of what he was left with AND with the Republicans standing in the way at every turn.

It so happens that I DO like the man and I think he has a great American family ...

You are welcome to your choice ... but you have no right to simplify mine .....

Jo Ann is a moron and I thought I had her blocked as she spews hate every time she gets on here. All I have to say about Karl Rove and the Super PAC KOCH BROS, Adelson, Trump...etc. is

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You CAN'T BEAT THE PEOPLE. WE WON AND WE RECOGNIZE THE EVIL AND HATE SPEWING FROM YOU. WAY TO GO AMERICANS!!!!!!!!

I got a thank you email from the DSCCC. There was some interesting information in it. All of their money that the republicons are complaining about did not com from some super rich people. When they took the amount of money and the number of donors it turned out that it averaged out to $35. That's it. The average donation was $35.

It wasn't Soros or Huffington that bought this election, it was Joe and Margaret Sixpack.

To Joann - The President won re-election because people know him and they trust him. They also know which party was responsible for the recession and they know we are coming out of it. They don't want Republicans to damage the economy any further and they are doing their best to root out those Republican ticks still in power. Given a couple more election cycles and the Republicans will be just a fringe group looking in. That's exactly where they belong, that will be a good day for America!

don't you get it ... your type of misguided thinking and totally unfounded slander

@newscover, I'm sorry but you are the one who doesn't get it.

Nothing I wrote was from misguided information. It was all factual. I'm sorry it bothered you to read the facts.

Nothing I wrote was hate. I didn't speak ill of no one. So please don't play the hate card.

Sorry you feel that way newscover,

I hope as a nation we get what we struggle for ,,,I'm not really convinced that this will happen with this direction our country is going in.

So we'll have ask our selves if we're better off in another 4 yrs , and that's a simple assesment

You have spoken hate many times on this...I had you blocked at one point, but I guess you changed something...You don't see a problem with your comment? Blaming the President for people on Food stamps? You have an issue with helping those that might not be able to help themselves? Many of those folks are our Veterans.

Jo Ann ... "Using Governor Christie was classic. Christie fell right into his trap."

You don't even see the hate that comes out of you ... now did you figure Christie was used by listening to Fox or did you figure that out all by yourself?????

Jo Ann, Its over. Move on with your life.

caribbeanslim

And PLEASE in the next 4 years pay attention to both sides!!!!

And saying that "the only reason that Obama got elected is because he's a good guy" is so lame ....

FOX News would do better if they just reported the news instead of making up the news... Hannity, O'Riley, Rove, Limbaugh and the rest of the extreme right wings are losing and will continue to lose unless they come more to the middle...

The republican party is on the wrong side of history... It started with Reagan and I feel has ended with Bush... They have gone so extreme to the right that even a millionaire with all of his billionaire friends could not buy his way into the white house... I guess the Super-Pacs lost...

Rove and his minions believe they are above the law, the Constitution and morally superior to "those little people". They honestly think that the middle class, working poor, military, retired folks, teachers, firemen, police and the rest of the working class ... all the folks who actually BUILD this nation and keep it running day-to-day ... are nothing more than economic slaves placed here strictly to do their bidding.

Every dog has its day, though, and the American people spoke on Tuesday. Obama / Biden ... 4 more years!

Here's an interesting bit that came broke yesterday:

Several groups have filed ethics charges against Mitt Romney for his failure to report his investments in Delphi Automotive made through Singer Capital. Romney may have stated publicly that he was against the auto bailout, but he made millions of dollars from that bailout. He invested in Delphi, a company that then proceeded to move all of their factories to China, leaving Mitt Romney a nice profit of somewhere between $15 and $115 million dollars. The actual amount is not known because Romney refused to release his 2009 taxes.

Romney's Delphiscandal involves his undisclosed 2009 tax returns and his ongoing dealings with Bain Capital.

Today, November 7, 2012, several groups have filed an ethics complaint against Mitt Romney because he failed to disclose his investments in Delphi Automotive, a recipient of some $12 billion from the auto bailout.

Complainants include:

SEIU, UAW, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, Public Citizen, Public Campaign, People for the American Way and The Social Equity Group.

The complaint points out that Romney's June 1, 2012 “Public Financial Disclosure Report to the Office of Government Ethics” did not reveal this windfall because he did not disclose the underlying holdings of his private equity and limited partnership funds.

Here's some background:

What the Romneys financial disclosures do show is that they invested over $1 million in the hedge fund that bought Delphi Automotive, which fired its American workers and opened up new plants in Asia making the same products. The Romneys made an estimated $15 million for every $1 million invested. The question is how much Mitt Romney made from the Delphi deal. Estimates range from $30 million to $100 million, but the exact amount is unclear because he refused to release his 2009 tax record.

As The Nationhas reported, exactly how much the Romneys made off the auto bailout is not known. Queries to his campaign management personnel and to the Romney trustee have gone unanswered. Romney absolutely would not disclose the crucial 2009 year tax returns.

In their 2011 and 2012 “Federal Financial Disclosure” filings, Ann Romney’s trust lists, “more than $1 million”, invested with Elliott. This is the minimal disclosure required by law. Had Romney kept the holding in his own name, he would have had to reveal if his investment with Singer had made more than $50 million.

It is reasonable to assume that Singer treated the Romneys the same as his other investors, with a third of their portfolio invested in Delphi by the time of the 2011 initial public offering.

Since the November 2011 IPO, Delphi’s stock has roared upward, boosting the Romneys’ Delphi windfall from $10.2 million to $15.3 million for each million they invested with Singer.

If the Romneys invested a bit more with Singer, for example a mere 3 percent of their reported net worth, or $7.5 million, their take from the auto bailout to date would have reached approximately $115 million. ABC News reported, and Romney didn’t deny, that he invested, “a huge chunk of his vast wealth”, with Singer.

The Romneys’ exact gain, however, remains nearly invisible. The Romneys received this huge return from a company that the federal government sent, directly or indirectly, more than $12.9 billion. Without taking billions in taxpayer bailout funds, and slashing worker pensions, the hedge funds’ investment in Delphi would not have been worth a single dollar, according to calculations by GM and the US Treasury.

Mitt Romney made a fortune off of the auto-bailout by investing in Delphi and ignoring the needs or entitlements of those workers. Instead of using its extra capital to do right by those American workers, Delphi just finished buying factories in Asia that make car parts, for the same amount of money Delphitook from those workers' pensions.

Delphi’s stockholders, the Romneys included, had one easy way to rectify the harm to these pensioners, much as GM did for its workers. Just pay up. Making good on the full pensions for salaried workers would cost Delphi a one-time charge of less than $1 billion. This year, Delphi was flush with $1.4 billion in cash, meaning its owners could have made the pensioners whole and still cleared a profit. Instead, in May, Delphi chose to use most of those funds to take over auto parts plants in Asiaat a cost of $972 million which they purchased from Bain Capital.

That purchase of $1 billion in Asian factories from Bain Capital was just finalized last Friday; November 2, 2012. Under the retirement agreement Romney made with Bain Capital, he receives a percentage of the profits from the operation of the Bain and on every deal and investment they make. In theory, Mitt Romney made a huge profit from the Delphi deal through Singer and most likely took another profit from Bain Capital when they sold to Delphi.

That the man who wanted to be the CEO of America ... who professed his patriotism and love of our nation ... could do something like this is despicable!

As the atheists say ... THANK GOD OBAMA WAS REELECTED! Congratulations Mr. President! We're glad to have you at the helm!

So last night I saw the clip of Megan Kelly asking Karl Rove, "Is that just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" when they were trying NOT to have to call Ohio for the POTUS.

Amazing. And here I thought I was joking about people believing math had a liberal bias.

I can not imagine how some of these Super Pac folks must feel, realizing they just flushed millions of dollars down the tube. Maybe it will be enough for them to ALL go away, even the Democratic Party ones.

I guess the ANTI-TAX crowd have voluntarily paid a tax of their own making.

If it had gone to the treasury, it might have been cheaper.

Rove is nothing but a common criminal

roadlesstraveled ... one thing for you to note ... Romney did better with the overall white vote ...

Obama did extremely well with the educated white vote ... which should tell you something ...

But .... I don't think you really care ....

the media guru's running the Republican campaign did not speak to the American people, they spoke down to the American people; they could not get their message out, Romney with his monotone put most people to sleep; when you have nothing but contempt for the American people, and do not know how to speak with them, you lose.

Of all the things I've heard in the wake of the Romney loss. The most interesting one I heard was the "Ron Paul" section of the Tea Party didn't vote for Romney.

Looking at the Key areas - WRONG. Probably didn't help though.

There are perhaps 2 legitimate hits.

1) Romney failed to act in a timelymanner to counter the uncaring rich guy image. The images of Obama on the Jersey cemented it.

2) The debate made him a viable alternative to Obama, but he failed to push that the whole way over the line.

The rest has some value but are not significant in any way.

Saxon,

I totally agree. I'll also add, that when your party has tunnel vision and seems to believe that straight, rich, white men are all that the term "Americans" encompasses, all the money in the world won't make up for the multitudes of people you've insulted.

You have spoken hate many times on this...I had you blocked at one point, but I guess you changed something...You don't see a problem with your comment? Blaming the President for people on Food stamps? You have an issue with helping those that might not be able to help themselves? Many of those folks are our Veterans.

@Diverdown1, I think you are confusing me with another Jo Ann. There are at least two other Jo Ann's besides me.

I don't have an issue at all with people on food stamps, especially with veterans receiving them. If you look at the simple chart that I posted you can clearly see that things went way over board with Obama. He keeps on saying that things are getting better. Well, this chart indicates that he is wrong. The numbers for 2012 are just as bad. He has spent millions and millions of our taxpayer dollars on the stimulus and nothing to show for it.

And please don't tell me that things were so bad when Obama took office. Things were just as bad in the 1970's & 1980's just in different ways. Sadly 9/11 happened and it made Bush go into a different direction. It immediately affected our security and our economy while Bush was in office.

Thank you D. Appel,

You opened up some very interesting doors. I would sincerely like to see why Romney was so reluctant to open up his financials for review. As you pointed out above, there is more than a little hypocracy going on in the Romney/Ryan court.

I made a joke in a Blog on Tuesday about the Super-PACs and the fact that people like Adelson and the Koch Brothers were throwing Billions at the election, just so they wouldn't have to pay more in taxes. Are these people soo unpatriotic that they are more willing to throw their money away on a political election than to contribute to OUR OWN country???

I pointed out the irony that I hoped that even with all the money the Super-PACs contributed to Romey's campaign, that Obama would still be re-elected....LOMAO!!!

Now, in addition to throwing away 100s of millions on a campaign that lost, they are STILL going to have to pay taxes on the money they made off of operations in other countries...irony, ain't it grand?

I was wondering what all the trolls (Obama supporters) would do now that they can no longer beat-up on Gov. Romney.

You need only to read the comments on this article.

It's Karl Rove now, who will be next?

But really, did you expect anything different from those who reelected a failure for 4 more years?

anti-trust proponent

JoAnn, you are forgetting that all of that increase in food stamp recipients was caused by the economic collapse that your lovable GOP created over the past 30 years. It was NOT caused by any of Obama's policies. In fact, his policies will lead to a reduction in those recipient numbers as people return to work

where? what jobs are you talking about...did Obama tell you there were jobs for you?

what exactly are you going to do to put this country to work, beat down anyone not a dem? Seems that has been the only plan in action....

What JOBS are you talking about? You mean the ones the GOP will send overseas?, (we lose power we move prosperity elsewhere, that is what it is to be American)? You all want a world where there is no oppositional party...go ahead take it....

I cant wait till members of political parties get rid of the oppositional employees...that way you
absolutely-power-dems have to beg one of you fellow democrat for a job he cant provide making jobs available to those that deserve them and support the business agenda...

your right, you cant buy elections, but you can certainly lay off the opposition and hurt them where it really counts. ha hate me now

welcome to next election...its you job that will cast your vote!! you wanted it this way, obama paving it for you this way....lets ride

newscover

roadlesstraveled ... one thing for you to note ... Romney did better with the overall white vote ...

Obama did extremely well with the educated white vote ... which should tell you something ...

But .... I don't think you really care ....

yea i get it, he did better with every group other than the ones that will put this country to work....(the woman in you home is the one that gladly sits at the welfare office...its her job, the only one she can find...no wonder he lost that group...)

and what your suggesting is that in this country white men are ignorant.....you wish

kkwilson

I was wondering what all the trolls (Obama supporters) would do now that they can no longer beat-up on Gov. Romney.

You are in the wrong place, honey. The pity party is next door. If you ever have anything constructive to add to the conversation, come back later...we will still be celebrating!

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

kkwilson ... what the hell are you talking about ... Gov. Romney and Karl Rove were being talked about during the entire election!!!!!

You LOST ... and were wrong ... Get Over It .........

Obama knew he was going to get the black vote regardless of how horrible he is.

Sorry to call you out on your prejudice dear, but it was mostly us Honkys who re-elected the president. The U.S. black population is only 13% of the total. Why does it matter to you which race voted for whom? Shucks, your man was a Whitey and he lost. As Romney said, it's too bad he's not Mexican. bwahahahahaha!

We re-elected Obama, we Whiteys. And damn proud we did.

Grow up already.

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Political genius Karl Rove. HA HA HA!

roadlesstraveled ... you are pretty transparent and are one of the reasons that Romney lost!!! Your posts reek of old fashion ignorance ... the whites against them intolerance!

The country has changed ... you have not ... the reason for Romney loss ....

Finally -- Americans realized the rich Republicans had been buying the country for years, and their situation was being controlled by selfish, cold-hearted corporate titans. The 2008 and the 2012 election should prove to these slimebags that you cannot BUY the people of a country. I predict the Republicans will lose the presidential election in 2016 -- regardless of who runs in either party -- because the Republicans have become so far removed from the reality of this country's demographics that there is no way they can change their policies to appeal to a wider swath of Americans -- and STILL be Republicans. The ideals and policies of this disgusting party no longer fit in American society. I am glad Karl Rove finally had his come-uppance. He learned at the knee of his vicious tutor, Lee Atwater -- maybe now the Republicans will see that their "campaign of hate" isn't working anymore. I wish they would all leave and start their own "evil empire" somewhere else.

The outcome of this election was the best possible antidote to the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision. Amending the Constitution to undo that decision is a dubious proposition on a number of levels, and I'm not aware of anyone engaged in any kind of plausible effort to do that.

But I doubt that we'll ever again see the kind of outside money in an election like we saw this time. After seeing so much money go right down the drain, no one will have much of an appetite to throw that kind of money away again.

I actually stopped sending in my little contributions to the Obama campaign before the conventions this summer, because I could see that the vast sums being amassed on both sides were just way beyond the saturation point. It was clear that Obama was going to have enough money to get his message out, and it just didn't seem to me to be necessary for him to match the other side dollar-for-dollar, no matter what the urgent emails that I kept getting were telling me. I also believed that it didn't matter how much the other side spent on polishing Mitt Romney. He would still be Mitt Romney in the end.

So, guess what? It turns out I was right and Turd Blossom was wrong.

Go figure.

1) Romney failed to act in a timelymanner to counter the uncaring rich guy image. The images of Obama on the Jersey cemented it.

DB, buddy...

The uncaring rich guy thing is more than just an image. It's the reality of who and what Willard Mitt Romney is.

Now that the election is over, you ought to quit drinking that right wing koolaid and take off your dark glasses. Time to see the light!

Get on board the good ship America for FOUR MORE YEARS!!

The far right spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the election to spread a message that was comprised of lies, racism, hatred, and intolerance. They just can't make that sort of nonsense sound palatable, no matter how much cash they waste on it. In order to turn their fortunes around, the GOP needs to make fundamental changes in its core ideology starting with the critical move of divesting itself of the far right lunatic fringe. Until it makes that decision, the Republican Party will continue to be marginalized in future elections, exactly as its extremist step-child, the Tea Party, has.

Listen to America, GOP! Return to your old, moderate philosophy or face extinction! Rove, Boehner, Santorum, Ryan,, and Limbaugh are doing nothing for you except alienating American voters!

I have been waiting to see Rove show is a$$ in front of millions of viewers for years now, ever since he made Bush W an electable "born again Conservative." Like the credit card commercial... Billionaires spending in PACS: $6,000,000,000.00; cost of a flat screen TV to watch Fox News pundits stare at each other like deer in headlights on election night: $400.00; witnessing Turd Blossom living up to his name on national TV: PRICELESS! For everything else, there's MasterCard! This election gives me a bit more hope that America will become a true nation of "WE, the people, of these UNITED states of America..." *grinning ear to ear*

The solution for all these wealthy moguls? Pass the expenses of their failure on to the American people. We will be seeing unfair increases in prices here in the future.

I just wonder how a company with 50,000 employees can be categorized as a small business? How wait its owned by the KOCH BROTHERS it call Koch industries.

kaybeetoys

Can they write campaign contributions off on their taxes?

In a word, no.

Tax cheats that they are, we can expect them to try.

Interesting that Romney didn't spend any of his own money to be The Biggest Loser.

I would really like to hear a tax experts opinion on this because there are creative ways one can employ if you have enough money.

Sorry to call you out on your prejudice dear, but it was mostly us Honkys who re-elected the president. The U.S. black population is only 13% of the total. Why does it matter to you which race voted for whom? Shucks, your man was a Whitey and he lost.

@kaybeetoys,

The U.S. black population is 13%. The percentage of blacks who voted for Obama was 12%. It's very simple to do the math.

I don't care which race voted for who. Obama does care though and that's the point I'm making.

Last night I read a Fox article about why Romney lost the election, just for giggles. Halfway through the article, there was an innocuous looking little sentence stating that Governor Christie had been criticized for praising "the other party's president". The other party's president. Not our President, not the President of the United States. And then the article just went on for a few more paragraphs, with a few carefully selected facts, but mostly hyperbole and paranoia.

Their attempts at subversive brainwashing are masterful, unless you have an IQ over 70 or aren't certifiably insane.

What the hell happened to the Republican Party? You know in movies, when somebody is freaking out and acting crazy, then someone slaps them across the face and they snap out of it? Was this election not a hard enough slap in the face?

Karl Rove and the Koch Baggers money went down the toilet, what fools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trying to buy Americas democracy was like burning the American Flag !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter how much money was spent the fact was It would not change anyone mind, they already knew whom they would be voting for, only people that lives in a fantasy world or in a world of denial could not understand how We all got here in this mess, and how the Republicans used Extortion to get what they wanted for their RICH buddies, but what really amazes me is the FACT that the most impoverished states are Republican controlled, they have the lowest wages and most are on FOOD STAMPS or worst, I guess if you keep people ignorant they just don't know any better .... LOL It's funny how RYAN did not go all in if he was confident they would have WON, this guy is a Wiesel he never went all in and they talk about how he has a bright future only if you like that kind of self centered person, You either BELIEVE or you don't.

The sole blame for Romney losing falls completely into Republican laps. The GOP did this to themselves. Over a year ago I stated one simple fact: Extremism does not win elections.

When the Republican primary was taking place, every logical person knew that Romney would win because he was the least extreme. However, Romney would also be required to pander to the extremists, alienating moderate and independent voters in the general election. He tried to flip-flop, he tried to come back . . . but he had moved too far to the right to pick up the moderate votes.

Extremism does not win elections.

The Republican party embraced extremism, they nurtured it, loved it, praised it. They caused their own downfall. In an election, few people pay attention to the specific policy details. The majority of the population vote based on the perception they have of a candidate and a party.

It was the Republicans who "boo'ed" a soldier, fighting for our freedom, on national TV.

It was the Republicans who called a woman a slut, simply for using birth control.

It was the Republicans who called gay teenagers "barbarians".

It was the Republicans who claimed that a woman's body "shuts down" in the case of rape.

It was the Republicans who referred to 47% of the population as worthless victims, even though many of them work.

It was the Republicans who believe that rape is a "gift from God" if it results in a pregnancy.

It was the Republicans who spent 2 years in congress arguing over birth control.

It was the Republicans who told a gay veteran that he did not deserve equal rights, even though he put his life on the line for us.

It was the Republicans who claimed that gay parents should not be raising children.

It was the Republicans who wanted to shove an ultrasound wand into every woman.

It was the Republicans who tried to pass legislation that would ban certain contraceptives.

It was the Republicans who flocked to a fast food restaurant to support their anti-gay message.

It was the Republicans who shouted "let him die" when discussing a poor man.

In politics, perception is everything . . . and THAT is the perception of the Republican party. THAT is who the GOP are. THAT is what the GOP does. If Republicans are looking for someone to blame, all they need to do is look in the mirror.

They brought this upon themselves.

My Right-wing relatives constantly site Unions as being big donors to the Democratic party - last I saw Unions were not even in the top 20 for giving to the Democrats. Anyone have an actual number/percentage as to what Unions gave?

It does bother me where some of the Democrat money comes from and it is clear that those who give the most, do get special treatment, regardless of party.

America is never a winner when a Dem or Rep is elected - but at least with a Dem there is a glimmer of hope.

Sorry if I rained on anyone's parade - keeping it real isn't too popular with some people :)

Is it Carl Rove or Karl Rove? not sure if my spelling is accurate oh well, lol. One things for sure, you lost, sir and your republican cronies co uldn't help poor Romney in any way. The voice of the American people is more influential than money. Finally, the Bush Cheney days are behind and the rove days are dead as a dinosaur. On the subject of Bush, funny how he never showed up to the GOP convention? Is he a liability? On the subject of Romney, he did create a few jobs during his campaign and unfortunately they were democratic jobs that will serve the pleasure of the reelected president Barack Obama. And speaking of shams, how's "The Donald" doin these days. I wonder if he still wants to give Obama 5 million for his charity? I also noticed Rush Limbaugh, does he need help, I mean psychological help, this man talks like a crazy lunatick. I also wonder if the Koch brothers fired all their employees for not voting for Romney, do they even know if Romney lost? It's hard to get electricty in a cave you know. Does Faux news need financial support, as most of the country view MSNBC. We need to pray for the Republican party they are feeling a little sore right now. Sore Romney and Loser Ryan.

FYI - These figures come from Obama's own White House Budget projections - link below;

National Debt as of the end of fiscal 2008 (Bush's last year) = $9.986 Trillion.

National Debt at the end of fiscal 2016 (Obama's last year) = $20.391 Trillion.

By the way - this includes Obama's 'assumption' that he gets his tax increases on the 'rich'. If that doesn't happen, the Debt will be higher.

I find it ironic that the young people who provided Obama with his margin of victory are the very same ones that will 'inherit' this unsustainable Debt burden, and have to pay for it - with interest.

I guess you might call that 'Retribution'. LOL

Here's the link - See Table 7.1;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

By the way - For those who are unfamiliar with Economics, the amount of interest payments on the Debt will have to be paid with higher taxes on everyone - Under Bush, it averaged slightly under $200 Billion per year, but if the interest rates return to the average under Clinton of 4.7%, the interest payments alone will skyrocket to almost $1 Trillion per year by 2016 (Almost $10 Trillion over 10 years – for interest alone). That money will effective come out of the pockets of American families and go into the pockets of 'Investors' – largely foreigners like the Chinese, thus decreasing economic growth/job creation substantially. We are on the same path as Greece.

You know what, Roy Wilson? I didn't even read your post, and I'm done listening to what all conservatives have to say, until they stop serving it up with a big helping of crazy. You still just don't get it. There very well may be some very sound advice to come out of the Republican Party, but you've ruined it for yourselves with dirty politics, outlandish and relentless accusations, and lies, lies, lies. Nobody wants to play with you anymore.

Maybe, just maybe, for the next election cycle these business men (and you know its all old, white, men) will decide they don't need the Super Pacs, they can run their own ads now.

One of the best ads I saw was by a 1st generation immigrant businessman. The ad reminded us what happened in Europe in the 1920's when most of Europe went socialist and how we should not go down that road. I only saw it run one time, but it was very powerful.

Why would anyone want to give their money to Carl Rove, when they can run their own ads.

emmygee "You know what, Roy Wilson? I didn't even read your post,"

Good - it was not intended for you. My posts are for rational people who think for themselves and like to see facts. If you can dispute the facts I posted (from Obama's White House source), we might have a discussion - if not, enjoy your Pyrrhic victory.

dirp ... "One of the best ads I saw was by a 1st generation immigrant businessman. The ad reminded us what happened in Europe in the 1920's when most of Europe went socialist and how we should not go down that road."

I too saw that ad ... but I had a different take ... how dare someone (including this tried up old fart) compare what Obama is trying to do with the crap that came down in Europe ... Obama is NOT a Socialist!!!!

Same old Republican scare tactics ....

I can't believe that out of 9 swing states, Obama won 8!

Karl Rove must have @!$%# his pants with the Florida and Ohio Race!

Unfortunately nothing will change... Oh well glad Obama has his finger on the button instead of Romney

ROY WILSON ... I second it .... I too pretty well ignore you ...

And ... enjoy your well deserved defeat ..............

Rove should be hung for treason

And i doubt that the Koch Brothers would help with his defense costs at this point either

Roy

National Debt as of the end of fiscal 2008 (Bush's last year) = $9.986 Trillion.

National Debt at the end of fiscal 2016 (Obama's last year) = $20.391 Trillion.

Considering that Romney's plan added an additional $7 trillion to our debt, that would mean our options were:

Obama National Debt at the end of fiscal 2016 = $20.391 Trillion.

Romney National Debt at the end of fiscal 2016 = $23.391 Trillion.

The debt under Obama is still the better choice. And did you see the Congressional Research Center report that stated that reducing tax rates on the 1% has ZERO affect on economic growth. So Romney's plan would also have no influence on jobs or growth.

The lesser of two evils won.

I don't have an issue at all with people on food stamps, especially with veterans receiving them. If you look at the simple chart that I posted you can clearly see that things went way over board with Obama. He keeps on saying that things are getting better. Well, this chart indicates that he is wrong. The numbers for 2012 are just as bad. He has spent millions and millions of our taxpayer dollars on the stimulus and nothing to show for it.

Since you love charts so much here's another one for you:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/us_deficit_pct.png

It shows the Federal deficit dropping sharply, due to Obama's policies.

Also, please enjoy this one:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/us_deficit_pct.png

It's the chart of unemployment falling almost consistently after Obama's policies had time to go into effect.

This is what Obama means by "doing better." Not perfect. Just better.

What the Republicans need to do now is to start working across the aisle and compromising....otherwise, if they continue with their "Norquist" attitude, they will find it extremely difficult to get a Republican president back on board in 2016. I think most people, Republicans included, are getting sick and tired of the "Party of NO" and the fact that they attempted to blockade anything that might have helped us get out of this hole that we're in. Let's hope they see the forest for the trees and learn their lesson from the last 4 years. Blockading and non-compromise is NOT the answer to this country's problems, and if they are there to serve the United States, then they need to start doing what they are being paid for by you and I....the tax payers who pay their salaries!! They owe their jobs not to the Super PACS, but to the citizens of this country.....now DO YOUR JOB!!

Let's see, the final tally for the republicans is, 876million spent on this campaign, 4 years of Mitch McConnell and his number one priority of making Obama a one term President, complete obstructionism by the republican party for anything Obama proposed, and here he is, still President of the U.S.

That's a lot of bucks and a lot of time spent by the party of no, they should be sued or political malfeasance. Karl Rove? If I were him I would be looking into an identity change and a safe house, you don't drop 108 mill of other people's money and expect to live. I will be very surprised if he's still alive by this time next year.

What the Republicans need to do now is to start working across the aisle and compromising...

Well said, Didi. However, I heard an interview with Boehner recently in which he could not even bring himself to utter the word "compromise" as he described his plans on dealing with opposition leaders on important issues. The interviewer finally asked him point blank if he was prepared to compromise in order to find common ground with Democrats and Boehner replied there was no room for compromise in the House Republicans' position. Let's hope this election will bring a little common sense and reason to Boehner and his camp because this country needs politicians to work for the good of the American people, not for the selfish benefit of a single party.

Listen up, Republicans: The American people insist you work with House Dems to bring genuine solutions to the nation's problems and stop creating more problems with your brinkmanship and childish intransigence. Remember that 2014 is just around the corner!

it was so much fun to just sit back and watch everything blow up in the face of people like karl rove, and then the fox news anchor that was at the democratic party when they announced that obama won ohio and the guy was like " the floor just exploded with applause, even with unemployment hovering close to 8 %" haha the look on his face was priceless. i also caught big mouth bill orielly on katie couric and this guy actually said the only reason obama won was because of tropical storm sandy and the fact that he got all the publicity for a few days and romney did not get as much face time... lol can you believe that? now they really got some good conspiracy theory material, i can see it now......obama spent millions to control the weather that gave him the edge over romney!!.... yeah it wasnt the fact that romney pretty much said to hell with almost half the country.. oh what a great night it was. and then i saw the pic of the 2 old ladies hugging eachother and crying when they new romney had really lost.. haha good times good times

Fox, Karl Rove, Rush, Hannity etc. are not smart or stupid. They get paid to do a job. They are given their scripts and they preform. period. Anything a guy like Rove says is well thought out and planed by the right wing think tanks. The real question is: Who is behind the CEO's? which "foundation" families are calling the shots and why? Our biggest problem is not a particular candidate or pundit, it is who is paying them and influencing their moves and decisions. If Karl Rove died today, by tomorrow, somebody else would hold his position. The devil hides behind people.

Indie, You hit the nail on the head. Well done. Romney's math never worked, trickle down economics never worked it just bled the country and transferred wealth from middle class to paper pushers. Roy Wilson... I appreciate you using accurate sources in your posts. The arguement can then be framed with a solid basis, we non fox viewers like to call them facts. So thank you for that, however I disagree with your premise in that the debt you are blaming on Obama comes with caveats you are not including. The cost of Iraq, not just hard costs but the cost of taking care of wounded and mentally wounded vets. The inclusion of a huge new buraucracy Homeland Security and finally putting Medicare D onto the books. Remember also that the Emergency Stabilization Act and the Auto Bailout started with GW but were put on the books under Obama. So I agree the debt situation needs to be addressed but let's adress it accurately and from the correct initial position.

cschilton

Doc holiday, why so angry you won we lost. Ihave said all along that democrats hate everyone that doesn't agree with you. The country is divided and now your annointed 1 can lead you like cattle into auschwitz. I am Israeli and when I see the president bow to arabs and chinese. and whisper to Putin will be easier to make a deal after the election, I know things aren't kosher!!!!! Next year when the tax hikes that are in obamacare start hitting us as well as the companies that won't hire anyone, maybe it will hit home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You didn't learn from Netanyahu's blunder, sticking your nose in America's internal affairs? Just keep running your mouth; you may be the next to be "whispering to Putin" when you alienate the American people.

While I absolutely loathe people like Rove he is not the only one out there and there are people like him on both sides of the aisle. It's really the Super PACs in general that need to be banished. I know that the SCOTUS has supposedly ruled on the constitutionality of political spending by these entities, but it feels absolutely anti-democratic that groups like this can circumvent the intent of laws regarding limits on political spending by essentially just pooling their dollars. It's akin to the whole concept that corporations have rights like citizens. It's legal but feels massively dirty.

It's not surprising at all that Rove was so reluctant to believe that they lost in Ohio, and all those Koch brothers, Adelson, etc. This campaign was their multi-million $$ investment. They were expecting big returns. Rove simply couldn't believe he lost millions in such a bet, despite of all the cheatings and lyiings and voter suppressions!

Rove has never been smart. He was successful with the 2 GWBush campaigns because people were stupid! Rove has only one tactic - LIE + CHEAT. His only mechanism is to spend loads of $$ to spread out the lies. The entire GOP mentality is that keep lying and be consistent with your lies and people will eventually believe it. The only thing Rove was right about was that most americans are too lazy to change, they're too lazy to find out the truth. If you keep feeding them crap on faux news, they will believe it because they're too friggin' lazy to even change channels.

As for MeGYN Kelly, in the words of the wise and ever so logical Mr. Spock... "Live long and sukit baby!"

Roy Wilson,

Since you get your info from Roger Morris for political polling, you have lost all credibility as it relates to bringing us "factual data".

Roger Morris, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. The only thing missing on that guy are floppy shoes and a big red ball at the end of his nose.

I will give you credit for at least going to the other side to bring in data. At least you recognize the right wing and reality are worlds apart.

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ~George Orwell, 1984

Karl Rove? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTvZHyot5Yg

Impeach Obama For War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity 2013!

“We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right.” ~ George Orwell

It's a safe bet that NOBODY will ever trust good old Karl with more than ten bucks again. This guy deserves to burn in hell for all the damage he's caused our country, if we're lucky this might be the last we hear from this evil #$&^%.

The other part of this article that warms my heart is seeing how the right wingers turn on each other like rabid dogs. It highlights their true nature and serves as a warning that they must never again come this close to taking over our government.

Is Karl Rove on suicide watch?

charlie

It is very doubtful that Karl Rove has enough guts or character to off himself for being an abject failure and waste of a human being. Someone else might do it though because he just spent millions of their money and got nothing.

With the amount of money within those super pacs, just think how many needy families that could have clothed and fed.. for life. Not just GOP super pacs either. What is wrong with us?

finally all the bad things you do caught up with you Karl.....I doubt the fates are done evening the score yet........so hold on, it is likely to get worse.

Great day over all............got to see Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh (ever notice how they look almost like twins?) both whine and show their loser face...............at times it would seem they can't hide who and what they really are...................and it is ugly.

Would be good for the country if these two horrid people just faded away...........America is tired of their tirades if hate, anger, rage and lies.............we want honest, hard working, productive and civic minded politicians...........no more games just to see who wins....you can't but our votes, you have to work for them.

Now pass a jobs bill and bring equality to taxes and lets put forth a stimulus bill and get folks back to work and start paying off all these republican wars that were put on our credit card....

it is time for peace, prosperity and rebuilding our nation............once we get these things in full throttle we will be whole, stronger and united...

boy, that has been a long time coming.

It is useless putting a retort to such a long diatribe so far below the diatribe but this is what we got so this is what we got. The idea of an electoral college has been defended far better than I can by better scribblers but suffice to say the union would probably disolve without it. Next, it is intellectual bankrupt to accuse those you disagree with as being extremists. They view the world differntly than you do. This time they lost. Next time depends on how well your guy learns his lessons from Clinton maybe and moves toward the middle. Finally, favoring schemes allowing the mob to amend the constitution shows that you don't fathom it.

... and even in not-so-recent history.

Rover has been living in the conservative alternate reality bubble for a little too long. Stick a fork in him...he is done.

Now, let's hope the GOP will sober up and quit smoking whatever they've been smoking. It's high time they took a good look at some plain and simple facts that the common Amercan man and woman can clearly see:

Wealthy people getting huge tax breaks does not create jobs. Consumer demand and the accompanying disposable middle class income to spend are the factors that create jobs in our economy.

Corporations are not people. People are people, and we need education, jobs, healthcare, and enough hope in the future to carry on. We need roads, bridges, trains, airports and schools.

One man, one vote is still the rule here. Elections might be influenced by money, but the American people refuse to be bought. We are a proud and fiercely independent people. Don't ever bet against us.

War is self-perpetuating. Try to solve the world's problems another way. We are sick and tired of sending our young people off to die in your useless wars, or to come home maimed and broken.

A woman's womb is the sacred vessel from which new life comes forth. Keep your unwanted hands off our bodies, and get our consent first to use us as incubators. We are the equal of men and then some.

Quit trying to suck us dry, GOP. You're trying to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Finally, turn off Fox TV, my good conservative friends. Or at least watch a couple more news sources too. Reality has a liberal bias.

Rover and Grover are losers. See that big 'L' tattooed on their foreheads? Don't be like them.

And let's not forget to give Karl Rove credit for his part in the Bush Recession!

Karl Rove—Architect Of The Minority Mortgage Meltdown

No other single person has managed to damage the US more than Karl Rove.

Can you stilll be smug if you're totally ineffective?

this is called reaping what you sow....Karl is the skid mark in Mitten's magic underwear. He should be in prison, but instead, he extorted money from several billionaires and lost it...bwah hahhhahhahahhahhahah!!! and the song running in my head..." Can't buy me love uv...love uv..can't buy me love uv.....money can't buy me love!!!

SteveR-2067355

Karl Rove deserves a nightmare after bringing us the worst president in recent history.

Are you talking about George W. Bush......

Steve, 100% agree. Just imagine how much better off the country would be now had Americans voting Republican not bought into all the voodoo campaign/electorate manipulation of first Lee Atwater for Reagan 32 years ago and of Karl Rove since the 1990s. How on Earth women ever bought into these retrograde misogynists is a mystery.

What the people said to the GOP on Nov. 6 was *finally* that religion and faith are personal - separate from govt., as the founders intended - and especially not the domain of the Republican Machiavellian corporate candidate machine that exploits and inflames uneducated evangelicals. Nearly everything in this nation would be different today had the GOP dealt with its internal issues that created the mess of Richard Nixon. Instead, the GOP plowed ahead and simply adopted a strategy in 1980-2012 of distraction and manipulation using corporate bankers and Wall St. The Republican PAC machine paying off/rewarding John Roberts' Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision will haunt the United States for decades - and many elections - to come, unless it is struck down.

Karl's efforts to bring us a 4th Reich have been delayed. Karl's efforts to buy his nightmare vision of a conservative Amerika have been set back. Now, let's hope the mainstream Republican can recognize that anti-science, anti-progress, anti-social supports, anti-women, xenophobia were discredited in Germany/Italy/Japan in the middle of the last century. America won't follow his lead.

@littlechanges - spot on.

Obama gets the chance to appoint one or two Supreme Court justices. The pendulum is finally swinging the other way. I think that realization is why my Red State office workplace was like a funeral yesterday. They finally are getting to the 5th stage of grief - acceptance.

I only hope that they do some serious self examination and take remedial action. Obama does not need to move to the center - he is already there. The right need to come back from the edge of the cliff.

TomTom--

Although I agree with your comments that Rove may be very bright -- but still a disciple of Lee Atwater,-- the evil prince of dirty politics (remember McCain's "African American" love child? that was one of his). Hopefully Rove will have the same moment of penance. As for educated -- not-- failed out of college like his colleagues Limbaugh and Beck.

No other single person has managed to damage the US more than Karl Rove.

Rover has certainly done some serious damage, aided and abetted by such 'luminaries' as Rupert Murdock, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingerich, Eric Cantor, John Boehner, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, (the deceased) Andrew Brietbart, Donald Trump, Dick Cheney... what a long list of haters, and that's just a start.

WE THE PEOPLE have prevailed! Thank you, my open-minded friends!

How many Americans are that Karl Rove, George W. Bush, Eric Prince of Blackwater and Grover Norquist were all members of Harvard's Young Republican Club that sought to destroy Clinton during his run for governor for no reason other than their rich boi elitist attitude that no intelligent man with a single Mom and less wealth should aspire to greatness?

It's long past time to deal with Norquist whose demand that Republicans sign his mandate to never increase taxes on the rich. Think about what refusing to demand the wealthiest 1% pay their fair share of taxes according to our IRS tax code and not their own version of it? It means an elite class of people who are immune to hardship all courtesy of the Middle Class who get stuck paying what the wealthiest 1% refuse to pay.

Think about one other thing. These billionaires get huge landfills of tax breaks, loopholes and your tax dollars in subsidies their corporations don't need. All while their incomes continue to grow without increases in taxation like the rest of us.

Their sense of entitlement is unparalled in that they actually believe they are protected by the billions they plunder from their corporations from what the rest of Americans in this country are not...taxes that should address infrastructure, education and defense. All of which the 1% view as a loss of wealth even though they pay far less in taxes than most in the Middle Class who get NO tax breaks of significance.

I agree Ewent - its time to root out that tick Norquist and burn all those anti-american 'pledges' of his. Congressmen and women take an Oath of Office and its not to obey Norquist! It's to serve Americans and Protect the Constitution!

Thanks, Former repub!

Karl is the skid mark in Mitten's magic underware

I blew coffee out my nose when I read that! Thanks for my morning laugh!

Congratulations, President Obama! We have your back and we know you have ours!

ewent,

It's interesting that if all those are part of the

"Harvard's Young Republican Club"

as you stated above, since at least two (George W graduated from Yale, since he didn't have the scores to enter the University of Texas, where I went to college for two years) never attended school there.

This has been the most frustrating, dissappointing and aggrivating campaign I have ever been witness to. The negative adds were outragious and completely un-American. I'm not dissappointed in the results, just what I was seeing as a result of the $Billions being thrown at this election. If this is the type of environment we are aspiring to, I think we need to re-examine the US philosophy. We have become so ingrained with Right-wing and Left-wing hypocracy that if anyone out there isn't nearly sick at seeing the trash that was being spewed by both parties, they should be.

Do you people realize that the money that was raised by both parties would have paid nearly 5% of the national debt? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?!?

Memo to Karl Rove:

It sucks to be you!

Maybe Mittens will take you along to the Caymans...he might need a pool boy. Wear lots of sun block! :)

oh what a disgusting image you just painted in my mind. i need to soap and lather my brain and then, repeat.

well the good news is that all that money went to pay for people, tv time, paper, printers etc. it actually stimulates economy. hotels made a fortune too and people got paid there. the street walkers union is living large for the time being.

The way I see it, Karl could not believe that with all his tactics in Ohio. that enough people came out in such large numbers that the fix just didn't work like it did in 2004. . it was not enough. But no worries, as people lose their homes and life savings, Karl and his kind will be playing golf at exclusive resorts and planning their next move. Stay sharp America, keep your eyes and ears open. And most of all, ALWAYS ASK WHY.

Anyone who signed that pledge should be signed for treason. They took an oath that, to them, supercedes the Constitution which is the very definition of treason.

It is not really that bad of a bet. The Koch brothers alone stood to keep 21.7 billion dollars if Romney could do away with the estate tax.

It kind of makes one wonder, what do you even do with 21.7 billion dollars?

There is enough money in this country that no child should go hungry, or receive anything less than decent healthcare and a fine education.

And yet, some idiot millionaire/billionaire will hire him again rather than pump the money into something worthwhile.

Instead they could, you know, maybe start a business that actually produced goods and hired people. Something that would help grow the economy rather than destroy it!

But that is not in Karl Rove's game plan. All of Karl Rove's talking points labeled Obama as communist, socialist, muslim, whatever... but the real danger to America and freedom is Karl Rove!

There is an old observation that for the wealthy there is NEVER enough money for them to feel satisfied............one more house, one more horse, one more car elevator...............HOWEVER, there are examples of the wealthy doing very, very good things...........Bill & Linda Gates Foundation, Carnegie Foundation, Howard Hughes Medical, J Paul Getty...........etc. etc. etc...........Maybe the Koch Brothers will get a little inspired...............you think such an unlikely event could conceivably happen??? NAAAAAH................there is always ultimate Greed I guess

EEngineer,

Right now , if i were a "millionaire/ billionaire" , I'd be looking for ways to insulate myself from any form of govement control of my resources. Starting a factory or business producing goods and hireing people is a novel idea .

However , I would not want to be in partners with the US Goverment right now.

The east coast could sure use a few of those millions right about now.

It kind of makes one wonder, what do you even do with 21.7 billion dollars?

fail at buying United States elections, that's what...

Rove is just another turd in the punchbowl of our lives. He should either be in prison for sedition or take the honorable way out with a rope...not likely.

@NC1234 - actually, the Koch brothers do donate to PBS. I see their name from time to time on shows I watch. So, they aren't 100% against Big Bird! Maybe 53%. LOL.

I promised myself to be a gracious winner, and I'm trying!

Starderup,

The only reasons Kochs and corporations donate to PBS are A: its a write off B:It causes people to think "Hey maybe those guys are alright after all" and C: They can say in public what a great thing it is for them to do and really, PBS doesn't need public funds. In my opinion PBS is one of the very few good uses of my tax dollars and even though it's a pittance compared to the useless waste of corporate welfare etc., I hope they continue to receive whatever they can from public funding.

Yeah, it's kinda what Chevron did a few years ago. They spent $10 Million planting trees. YAAY!!

Then they spent $100 Million bragging about it. BOOO!!

This is why I think the French have it right on taxes. They went for a 75% tax rate on millionaires and billionaires. If these fat cats had to pay more in taxes, they would think twice about where to waste the rest of their wealth. None of that money went to help charities or something beneficial. It went to attack ads. It might as well be used to pay down our debt that these fat cats caused in the first place.

However , I would not want to be in partners with the US Goverment right now.

Oh, I see. The reason the US is failing is because of US government intervention?

Then explain why the same people who won't invest here because they have problems with the US government have absolutely no problem investing in China and partnering with the Communist Chinese government.

Naw, there is a severe disconnect in your thinking.

Extreme arrogance, ignorance, and money. Bad combination in todays tech world. People find out.

EEngineer,

I think you have the right of it. It's NOT because of Government intervention...prior to 2003, there were federal controls on how much banks could charge in interest rates on credit cards and home loans. Without those controls, what happened?

Prior to 2003, there were terrifs on US goods produced in other countries, even with the NAFTA treaty, that promoted economic stimulous in other countries (there were percentages that companies had to keep on home soil), we moved some manufacturing to Mexico and Canada, with breaks that allowed for decent wages there to keep things balanced with manufacturing here at home. Of course, the treaty was reformed twice to allow for corporations, who were still making decent profits here, to move more of their operations to more and more countries and eliminated the percentage rules.

Lack of government regulation allowed corporations to rape our country and move more and more of their interests overseas to avoid paying taxes here and to avoid Labor Unions and high labor costs.

BP, originally headquartered in Houston, moved it's operations to Denmark so they wouldn't have the ecological regulations we have here in the US. We know what that got us...we are still cleaning up the mess in the Gulf.

Yeah, government intervention has caused ALL of our problems.

Its not the estate tax the Koch brothers want eliminated, the tax code already has ways around that which those who are affected by it utilize to avoid.

The extremely wealthy want to eliminate the tax on dividends, interest, and capital gains. Effectively, they want to pay no income taxes. They truly feel they deserve to get all of the benefits of our country, but pay for nothing.

The reality is, capital gains, interest, dividends should all be taxed as ordinary income. There shouldn't be any special category. If I own a butcher shop and you pay me for meat, should I not pay any tax because you, as the buyer, have already been taxed on that money once ? Or if I work as a butcher for someone else, then the same rule applies.

The argument that capital gains, dividends, and interest should not be taxed because they have been taxed once already is ridiculous, at best, criminal theft by the wealthy at it most realistic.

Charles, they do not have a lack of reason. they have a different outlook on humanity. not a good outlook, a bad one. we are expendable, just commodities that have a shelf life. easily replaced. They are not stupid, just greedy and foolish. they do not love what we love.

If I ever see this guy on the street I would take him in a back alley and beat him to a pulp.

I'll hold him for you Bart.

I'm from Detroit,.... ;o)

But how do you really feel about him? ROFLMAO

Curious to see that the Faux Noise brainwashed lemmings so prevalent on the MSNBC/NBC blogs prior to the election have gone home crying to mama.

After seeing how big conservative money and outward lies did not sway the (sensible) American voter, isn't it time to shut down the right wingnut crazies on Fux, Lintballs, Rove, Coulter (the Skank), Beck, Simple Sarah, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. etc.?

Maybe the loser billionaire neo-cons who contributed so graciously to the Romney/Ryan lie machine will hire someone to chain the idiots (above list) together and dump 'em into shark-infested waters. Lintballs, alone, would feed a herd of Great White Sharks for a month! Coulter would be the toothpick :)

Bart133 and GOPisextinct speak as hateful bigots.

What bad did Rove do? He simply did his job, exactly as the Obama campaigners. Should we "beat him to a pulp" also them?

Karl Rove sort of looks like HUMPTY DUMPTY...well doesn't he!?

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall...

Humpty Dumpty had a GREAT FALL...

All the Super Pac's MONEY...

And all the Super Pac's men (Koch Brothers, Murdock, Adelson, Fox News? Romney etc)

Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again!!!

THE END.............................................................................................................I HOPE!

FORWARD!!!!

why a back alley? public gloggings have value...

Bart,

Give him a "legitimate" beating and see if his body will shut that whole thing down.

Ivan Smith, if you can't see the hate and racism that spews from Rove and others like the KOCH's...then no one can help you. Open your eyes. He lost his mind on FOX the other night because he realized that the people voted and the people won...his MONEY MEANS NOTHING!

If we took all the money that was used in this election and put it towards actually helping say...the veterans...then ok. Otherwise...eck

Rove got his start by sneaking into a Democrat office and stealing their staionary. He then printed lies on it and distributed it all over town.

He has been dishonest his whole life and it is good to see him get taken down a notch.

Itis so gratifying to see that all the MSNBC fans are being so gracious today. Nicely done, folks.

Oh, and by the way, the Dems outspent the GOP big time. I understand, however, that unless you get that morsel of truth from hacks like Maddow, Mathews and the gigantic clown Ed Schultz, they don't really exist. Delude away, children.

After seeing how big conservative money and outward lies did not sway the (sensible) American voter, isn't it time to shut down the right wingnut crazies on Fux, Lintballs, Rove, Coulter (the Skank), Beck, Simple Sarah, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. etc.?

It's like the Klu Klux Klan huddling in a corner trying to get people to join there club.

They - Fox Noise thought all their racial hatred and bigotry was going to sway 118 million Americans to vote for Robme. They only got Romney's 47% = the crazies and stupids. They can never get the reasonable and cognitive thinking people to vote for destroyers of America. Nice try loosers.

dont lower yourself to their gutter location.. found it interesting that neither Bush was not front and present for any of Romneys public appearances.

Relayerdave, oh, yah, we dems, i guess, haven't earned the right to gloat a little. In 2000 & 2004 Bush was soooo humble with his "I earned capital, and I'm gonna spend it." I'm sure a few rwingers weren't on the blogs gloating!

I suggest you check your facts ... Gop outspend Dems 4 to 1!!!!!!

You delude away! Turn on a different channel once in a while. If you have to, put on readers to see the writing on the wall. And quit blaming the Prez for not meeting in the middle ... he was there all along waiting for the right to get there.

Annie, dubya was in the Cayman's at a seminar teaching rich people how they can better avoid paying those dreaded American taxes

cause republicans do not think America is worth paying for.

Ivan Smith-1939833

Bart133 and GOPisextinct speak as hateful bigots.

What bad did Rove do? He simply did his job...

Exactly the same could be said for Dr. Josef Mengele. Does that excuse what he did?

You are exactly right, Steve. I gave A LOT more to the Obama campaign this time then I did last time, in part because I now have a full-time job while before I was unemployed (so, yes, Repubs, I AM better off now than I was four years ago!) and in part because I felt I had to help him keep up with Repub super PAC money. For the first time, I even gave to individual Dems in other states because they were getting attacked by ads paid for by super PACS.

Me, too, Logans mom. Spent the limit. Also sent money to Mr. Brown, senator from Ohio - and I live in N.C. The democrats had some pack money, too, but women like us wanted (and did) to make up the difference. Democracy lives. The SC ruling needs to be overturned on this subject. The takeover of America by just a few of the mega-wealthy "could" have worked, but the combined force of individuals stood them off.

Also, way too, too many attack ads. Wonder which repug super pack paid for the Jeep to China lying ad? Someone knows this. I didn't see that ad here - thank goodness - so didn't see who sponsored it. And who the hell paid for the robo RNC calls that I got? I got 5 on election day and I don't remember how many before. So very happy all that is over.

Me too. Every time I saw blatant right wing misinformation I opened my pocket book.

The war on women was the most motivating in this regard.

However, this just means many people on both sides spent huge amts of money on the campaign so in the end those investments negated each other. Turned out in the end the best investment for getting votes was in helping ordinary Americans live more secure lives through wise government actions ... like saving the autoindustry, implementing the (minor) economic stimulus to take us onto the road to recovery, investing in new technologies, ending 2 wars while decreasing terrorist threats...

Maybe the superpac investors will think about this and start putting their money where it will actually pay off

See my post above ladies, and get involved NOW in the Popular Amendment Movement.

The average Democrat donor gave $35. It took a whole lot of average donors to make a difference, and then we voted.

@miklkit so you're saying more smaller payments have added up to a fewer number of large contributions?

kinda sounds like the tax policy debate...except that you're conclusion wins it for conservatives...

I gave to President Obama every time they sent me an email 3-15 dollars at a time.

People power.

Here in Ohio, we got a lot of negative robo-calls from the RNC, NRA, Ohio Right to Life. I'm on the do not call list. What genius on the right could possibly think that negative robo-calls would make me think favorably towards either Josh Mandell or Willard Romney. The only call I got from the DNC had a live person on the other end encouraging me to vote for Obama.

Apparently when they took their cue from Joseph Goebbels playbook they forgot how much easier it is now in the information age for people to figure out that they're just telling lie after lie.

Unfortunately it takes a little time and effort to do so and far, far too many people ended up falling for their non-stop onslaught of misinformation, half-thruths and outright lies.

I'm still astonished at the number of people that I had previously considered intelligent who continually spouted the easily disprovable crap that they were hearing from Fox and Limbaugh and their ilk.

My wife's parents voted for the first time ever. They were finally motivated by the almost constant robo-calls to vote against the republicans sending them. I've never seen two politically ambivalent people more angry about politics. I think the various groups sending those stupid calls had no communication, no idea just how many calls were going out.

The hate and fear dog and pony show had very expensive tickets, and caused very extensive damage to the political environment!! When you think of all the good that money could acomplish, it makes one want to throw up!

Dale 3242...I am so proud of you guys and gals in OH. If not for your astute sense of honor and integrity, the election results might have been very different. If OH can be such independent thinkers, why can't some of the red states?

It's a sad commentary that too many in red states still live in that pre-Civil War antebellem realm. Many up north sit in wonder of how the south will ever claim its fair share of progress when their ideas of progress resemble that of a plantation owner.

One of the things I think that's going to change some red states is the reality that they cannot continue to divest federal revenues all while complaining about a deficit. Some of the red states lead the nation in welfare, disability, lowest incomes and lack of sufficient education. This again, stems from the idea of the wealthy in those states that all of this is a loss of their wealth. State taxes in some of these states are not used for those who are paying those taxes...Instead, their politicians are feeding businesses who have no right to ANY state taxes.

A business that has to rely for decades upon taxpayers is one that long ago was obsolete and should have been allowed to die a happy death.

Well, as a former Buckeye, I can tell you ewent that MOST of the state is not made up of "independent thinkers". It was only the five "big city" areas of the state (Toledo, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Athens) that were the "blue area" of the state. The rest of OH is red, and ultra-red at that. I grew up in NW OH, so I know what it is like there, and that was one reason I left there in '95, only to return for my mother's funeral a year and a half ago. As my retired teacher sister (one of the few Democratic voters in our area) stated to me before the election, the OH voters always vote against their own best interests, including the public employees.

BTW, TX is a good example of that...Perry wanted to refuse any stimulus money until his mansion caught on fire. Then he rushed to spend that stimulus money to restore the mansion instead of using TX state tax money to make the repairs.

Yes I do Helena. The "news" agency no longer makes any pretensions at being a REAL news agency. They are the propaganda arm of a once viable, relevant political party.

Republicanism is dead.

All that remains is to piss on its stanching corpse and bury it.

Rove is the GOP Reich Minister of Propaganda. He was desperate, scared and frightened Tuesday night. Billions were blown on this campaign by the fat cats. Hopefully they will see the futility of what they do.

And this election has restored my faith in the system's integrity.

There were 6 people that work at Fox that also worked on Romney's campaign. I dont think Fox is a news agency they were his campaign. But it was fun to watch yesterday as they all scrambled to find out what went wrong.

pop!pop!pop!pop!pop!pop!.........Still hear the heads poping from tuesday...........POP!

pop!pop!pop!pop!pop!pop!.........Still hear the heads poping from tuesday...........POP

Maybe .22 Cal double-taps. There are a LOT of pissed off neo-con billionaire contributors to the Karl Rove propaganda machine.

Cost for one ticket to a Teapublican campaign dinner event in Boca? $4000 a plate

Cost for a .22 cal? Pennies

You do the math. Much more "bang for the buck" with the latter.

Jon Stewart didn't call it BS Mountain AKA Romney Campaign Headquarters for nothing.

It was so bad, I think it borders on violating the Truth In Advertising restrictions.

Men like Rove, Adelson, Charles and David Koch and a host of others had all that money to pour into a campaign...How many stiffed the paychecks of their employees to make that kind of slush fund? This is most egregious part of their wealth..that for 4 years they sat back and watched the Middle Class struggle to pay taxes, earn a living at stagnated wages or have to rely on unemployment...when their wealth could have been better spent.

I have no doubt in my mind that these greedy pigs won't try to recoup their losses off the backs of the Middle Class yet again. So they'll jack prices on their goods and services on some flimsy excuse or another, claim they can't hire or create jobs because of the "uncertainty" of Obama's future plans and they'll definitely need another round of tax cuts to maintain their wealth.

Start with the $33 trillion they owe in taxes in those offshore tax free havens where their money is stashed. That' ought to bring down the deficit the Republicans are so worried about. But you'll note that the Republicans much prefer demolishing SS, Medicare and Medicaid ...already paid for rather than tax those who have yet to pay their fair share based on their incomes.

JKfromPA: That is not the republicon way. Ambassador April Glaspie died in a mysterious car wreck and UN weapons inspector Dr. David Kelly died of a faked suicide.

What Rove and the GOP "elite" haven't recognized is the inability to "fly things under the radar". The population has far too much communications to "get something over" on us.

The POWERS THAT BE in Florida should be put behind bars for trying to DISENFRANCHISE it's voters, ONCE AGAIN! Is Florida IRRELEVANT now as far as Presidential elections go?

INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE!!!

PLEASE, HOLD SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE...even though we know they can't COUNT!

Yes, but let us not teach them how to win. They will go underground, get likable brainless heads elected and then activate their moles and take over our democracy.

Karl, you really need to be more rightwing. Quit wasting time on politicians, like Romney, that try to be everything to everybody. Sieg Heil Karl.

Of course the moderate/liberals were energized by 2008 and then overconfident in 2010 despite all the signs of backlash potential so look what happened then. So no spending time gloating this time around ... the elected need to deliver on the promises or the far right will be back in in 2014.

Exactly. Let us not forget that Dems are still contaminated by Idiocy!.....a.k.a......"a lack of 'real' Savvy". And how much of this is just more continued "bait", as in a "destractive scrap" from the 1% table?

...the elected need to deliver on the promises or the far right will be back in in 2014.

But so much of this is still in the hands of the Republican majority in the HR and the filibustering Republican minority in the Senate. With approval ratings in single-digit territory another round of do-nothing politics could spell disaster for Republicans in Congress!

EE,

Agree totally. This is why our President and his administration, along with the Dems and Indies in Congress need to call out the right wing obstructionists, announce them in the "REAL" media outlets, shove them into a corner, make them capitulate or get them tossed in 2014.

Time now for the Obama Administration to stop pandering and "reaching across the aisle", only to get spit at.

IMHO,

I had the same thought. And I think you're describing what happened with Reagan, the Republican messiah, who really was the match that lit this fire.

Money can't buy me love.

Mystery Rhee, thanx for dredging up the ole "class warfare" thing. That one has been p'ing me off since the first time I heard it and, thankfully, haven't heard that whopper for months. In case you are still buying that fox crap, in case your booklearning escapes you, there has been "class warfare" for century upon century! Just not the way the right boxes it up and tries to sell it.

If you could think back to the ancient Egyptians (all the way back to the cave man even, and time after time has continued to this very day) I'm sure you can do it if you try, you may recall exactly who built those pyramids for the uberrich. How were the builders treated by the ultimate owner of said pyramid. Now, that was real class warfare. Rover and his following are just spewing their misinterpretation of the term. It's not the 99% against the 1%. It's STILL the same ole 1% against the 99%!

Its even the rwingers insistence that they have a license to insert their collective noses in what any woman has the right to do with her own body and uterus. If they don't believe in abortion, then I suggest that they shouldn't get one. But I'll be damned if anyone else has the right to tell me I CAN'T have one if I think it's my best option under the circumstances!

Hannah, noone is telling you what to do with your uterus, they just say it is your business and the federal gov't is not paying for it. This is one of those lies that your side told.

Be alert people...If these billionaires refuse to pay a lousy 2% more in taxes, what would make you think that Boehner's sudden "compromise" won't include yet another tax cut for the wealthiest 1% and corporations? Which all equates to one thing...a tax cut for the highest incomes means they lose not a dime of their investment in a failed campaign. The Republicans will just "compromise" our SS, Medicare and Medicaid, all of which are paid for by our payroll deductions to provide insurance for the wealthiest billionaires who don't pay a dime of the taxes they should.

It's time to see what these greedy rich men are really doing: Plundering their own corporations to bloat their already obscene salaries, bonuses and perks and then relying the Middle Class for bailouts, tax subsidies, breaks, cuts and loopholes to pay their bills. Do you manage your income that way?

These Plunderers have no worries so long as Republicans continue to demand one tax cut after another: 2004, 2008 and 2009. In effect, they never lose a dime of their money to additional taxes because Boehner and his Norquistian demand to never increase taxes on the rich saves them from the consequences of their own greedy stupidity.

There are two things this administration must do: Cut all corporate taxes completely to deny corporations the right to vote, refuse any tax cuts, subsidies etc to any corporation who has not first paid their bills and then increase taxes on the highest corporate incomes.

We don't spend our incomes first and pay bills later or expect help from others to pay those bills. Corporations and CEOs do. They know Americans will continue this morbid enabling and billionaire paychecks will never stagnate. No one NEEDS to be a billionaire. And it's damn time they started to pay their bills first before they beg help from consumers, taxpayers and employees. By forcing them to pay their bills before they hold out their hands for help, those fat obscene salaries will max out to a sane level. Anything less is a race for CEOs and the 1% to become the US's first trillionaires with offshore money in tax free havens, continued spiraling of price gouging, continued war on American laborers and continued begging help from taxpayers.

Mandate make the millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share period

Now that the libs won can someone please tell me what fair is? Maybe the government should take all of the money from these greedy bastards. And when they are done blowing that, YOUR NEXT. Also explain the War on Women, are free pills and abortions the victory you seek in your trumped up war?

Julio, Your such a Fool! Did you really think the american public would elect a vulture capitolist cult member for president? Julio, Your a foolio!!!!!

Gary

It was indeed, very good. As long as, the 47% stands together. We can continue, to keep MOVING FORWARD! From now on. We need to turn out, for every election. I did not vote, in 2012. Will not, let that happen again. This election. Proves that, our votes, do count. From now on. I will not get angry. I will, just seek revenge. And will do that. In the voting booth. Like the president said. Don't boo, VOTE!

AND, we need too apply pressure to the congresspeople that refuse to work in a bi-partisan fashion. Enough of the BS, we've wasted far too much time and money being bullied by these obstructionists. They either work for the American people, or they need to go. Refusing to engage is no longer acceptable.

Don't just sit back waiting for the next election cycle. Communicate with the WH and your congressional reps (both houses of Congress) on a regular basis. Study every issue before them, and let them know your opinions on the issue. Flood their offices and make them and their over-paid staff work for their money. And get involved in PAM, as noted in my post above. An uninformed, inactive electorate is its own worst enemy.

Work to find an honest, non-greedy candidate to run in the next election (that especially goes for those residents of Boehner's district where he ran unopposed this time...that should never have happened my former fellow Buckeyes.)

Do not forget,we still did not change the make up of the house!

Union we stand, you said compromise, The dems have a majority in the senate, not in the house. I understand your disdain for the constitution, but every rebuplican in both houses were voted in for what they stand for, do you think they were voted in to vote yes on everything obama wants? Are democrats supposed to work in a bipartisan manner or only repubs?

Julio the foolio, republican stands for repugnants

Unfortunately I don't think it is spin. They are using the narrow margins to encourage continued undermining gridlock.

Democracy is the best system for making decisions in terms of selecting winners and losers but unfortunately it is very messy for winners trying to implement their agenda after that because the losers can become underminers of that agenda. Any program you want to implement will have some imperfections and the underminers will blow those out of proportion rather than help you tweak the program and make it work. In business (which don't work democratically!), it is common to just fire the underminers if you can't convert them, but you can't do that in our democracy - until the next election but the damage may be too far gone by that time - exactly what happened in 2010.

We need to recognize this ... quit gloating and try to figure out what it will take to get enough of the sore losers to see that undermining behavior is not the right way to go. To Pres Obama and the democrats, the best way to do this is - don't gloat, deliver on your promises!

Let us increase their taxes but also get the government to build barriers for the coastal cities that are getting hit the worst. Oh, and we could also spend some of our tax money on seaports, roads, and airports. Our transportation infrastructure could sure use an upgrade.

These are the people the Republicans don't want taxes raised on because they are job creators.

Job creators, my @ss! They are willing to pour millions, nay, BILLIONS, into buying the politicians and the legislation they want, but they won't spend a penny on actually creating new businesses that would produce products and hire people! Not in America, anyway. In Communist China, where workers are housed in dormitories and awakened at 4:00 AM to produce the next round of crap for pennies a day, they are more than willing to invest!

I don't even hear about the 1%'ers even helping those harmed right in their own neighborhoods. Alec Baldwin and his wife were but where are these hedge fund titans with their billions? Crickets.

bck, it is called charity and it is a proven fact that republicans give a bigger percentage of their income to charity. Liberals think it is the governments responsibility. Ask old Joe what percentage he gives.

Do I need to mention Norquist or his Republican minions?

Fortunately, this is America, and Obama is not the Fuehrer... yet. Otherwise, Obama men would kill all who do not agree with him.

You got it backwards buddy.

Ambassador April Glaspie died in a mysterious car wreck. She is the one who gave Saddam hussein the green light to invade Kuwait.

UNweapons inspector died of a faked suicide after he called WMD charges against Saddam "sexed up".

Valerie Plame was lucky and that CIA agent was only outed, but some of her people died.

Is it too late to have a 2nd Grand Jury look at Karl Rove participation in the Valerie Plame fiasco's? The thought of Rove being "Sandusky" bring great joy to me.

Are you talking about those RWNJ conservatives? Fat chance they will recognise reality when it bites them in the butt. If they did all you suggest, they would no longer be who they are.

4. Surrogates. The Democrats won the battle of surrogacy. Who was the leading surrogate for the Democrats? A former President, and the last Democrat to hold that office for 2 terms, Bill Clinton.

Well, you really can't blame the Republicans for this. The last president they had was George W. Bush! Trotting him out to campaign would have truly been the kiss of death!

Yes, which was exactly my point. In contrast to a former President speaking for the Democrats, the most "popular" surrogates the Republicans could come up with were Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh. These 2 men could certainly whip up the base, but the more they spoke up the more thay alienated political centerists and other groups without whom the Republicans have no chance of winning in a national election.

Pathman 334830

".Definition of the candidate. In politics you must define yourself or your opposition will do it for you. The Romney campaign did not or could not find a way to define itself, so it was defined by the Obama campaign"

More detail should be added to this because of the primary phase Mitt had to continue to "redefine" himself, so the opposition had an opportunity to define him as a flip flopper and Obama became the known entity. As the saying goes, It's better to deal with the devil you know."

Romney is a venture capitalist. He knows business and he can easily identify how to jump-start the economy with minimal disruption to the global economic condition. They should have stayed on point. As Carville said during the 1992 campaign, it's the economy stupid! They shouldn't have allowed the democrats to get traction with that stupid, nonexistent, war on women theory or allowed the evangelicals to stir up the abortion rights issue. The best thing for the republicans to do now is install Romney as a private, national, economic leader. Give him some Super -Pac money, and let him do what he does best in a VERY public way. Make more money, and as a result, provide more jobs. Maybe in four years people will recognize their monumental mistake.

EEngineer

"Well you really can't blame the Republicans for this. The last president they had was George W. Bush. Trotting him out to campaign would have truly been the kiss of death!

Actually, I can blame the republicans for this, as I blame you for it. Rightly or wrongly Bush was handed an excrement sandwich and he dealt with it the best anyone could have under the circumstances. The world wanted us to go into Iraq because the U.N. sanctions had no teeth without us. Hussein was paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers for the sacrifice of their family member. All the evidence pointed to Iraq having WMDs. After 12 violations by Hussein what would anyone expect, but I digress.

Bush knew who he was. Said what he meant, and did what he said he was going to do. Compare that to Obama or Clinton. The republicans need to sell who their candidates are, not sell their candidates based on who the public wants them to be. That may have worked in 2008, but times are actually tough now.

Lastly, the fact that super pacs were proven to not buy elections in this instance is good. Now we can move beyond that argument and get to the root of the problem. FULL DISCLOSURE of ALL campaign spending by ALL contributors. Super pacs pool money. They should disclose from what sources. Likewise the hollywood elite and wall street bankers or influence peddlers should ALL have to disclose their contributions to the democrats. Oh, I know you don't think it goes on, but bankers mostly all contribute to democrats. The hollywood elitists say they are involved because of the little guy. Well, they can write a check to the U.S. Treasury just as easy as they do Obama. The twist is they get credit for it from Obama.

My message to the politicians is simple, just fix the F@#$ing economy and get out of the way!

Actually, I can blame the republicans for this, as I blame you for it. Rightly or wrongly Bush was handed an excrement sandwich and he dealt with it the best anyone could have under the circumstances.

Ahahahahahahaha! Oh, wait! You are serious? What a moron!

Such BS!

The world wanted us to go into Iraq because the U.N. sanctions had no teeth without us.

Russian President Vladimir Putin warned George W. Bush yesterday against unilateral action in Iraq,

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan will strongly oppose any unilateral U.S. action against Iraq.

... those who have criticized, sometimes very harshly, his calls for regime change in Iraq. These included numerous European leaders, members of Congress from both parties, people across the U.S., and the Arab and Muslim world. Opinion polls have shown sizeable blocs (sometimes a majority) of "the street" in European countries and in the U.S. opposed to military action, especially unilateral action.

Under pressure from world opinion opposing military attacks against Iraq and honest admonitions from home and abroad, the Bush administration slightly pulled in its horns in pushing recklessly its unilateral policies. September 6, George W. Bush phoned leaders of Russia, France and China, apparently hoping to rally support from the three UN Security Council permanent members for his actions for a "regime change" in Iraq.

So I call you a liar, sir! Show me one quote, with verifiable source, that actually supports your false statement. You can't! Because it is a bald-faced lie!

You can try to glorify George W. Bush all you want. But history will judge him as the worst president the USA ever had! And it should!

As for "excrement sandwich", Bush was not fed that. Instead, Bush made and fed that sandwich to the American people and the world!

I, for one, would love to know who brainwashed Romney into concocting that lie about the Jeeps made in Italy and China...it really was a beaut for Romney to live down. Now, no one will ever trust a word out of his mouth.

For some real fun , switch on Faux News and see Karl and Hannity re-hashing the mess. My fav. was Ann Coulter saying how much she liked Herman Cain. Stay classy y'all

Unfortunately they haven't all disappeared. See the uber intelligent ohiofan in #22 above.

Mike, there's always 1 or 2 of the lunatics that haven't gotten the message or don't know how to turn on a tv to find out their fool lost the election.