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Sheikh Khalid Bin Abdul Rehman Al-Hussainan, aka Abu-Zaid al Kuwaiti, was reportedly killed in a drone strike while eating breakfast in Pakistan.
A senior al-Qaida official and potential successor to the group’s leader Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed Friday morning in a Predator drone strike, according to reports on jihadi web forums and U.S. officials.
Sheikh Khalid Bin Abdul Rehman Al-Hussainan, aka Abu-Zaid al Kuwaiti, was killed in Pakistan while eating breakfast, according to the accounts. The 46-year-old cleric was seen as part of the “very top tier" of al-Qaida's remaining leaders in the wake of the death of Osama bin Laden, according to one expert on the terror group.
The news was first announced on an al-Qaida web forum early Friday. “We celebrate to you the news of the martyrdom of the working scholar Shaykh Khalid al-Hussainan (Abu Zaid al-Kuwaiti) while eating his Suhoor (dawn time) meal, and we ask Allah to accept him in paradise," a post said.
Evan Kohlmann, an NBC News counterterrorism analyst, said al-Hussainan was at the forefront of a new wave of al-Qaida leadership.
“That's a big gap in the leadership,” said Kohlmann, who is also a Justice Department consultant. “He was the last senior Al-Qaida leader in the Afghanistan-Pakistan area who was, one, from the Arabian Peninsula and, two, who had serious clerical credentials. Now there is no obvious publicly recognizable candidate left to succeed Zawahiri.”
In recent years, al-Hussainan was seen in numerous al-Qaida videos offering religious training to the group’s operatives. The videos were widely circulated by al-Shabab, al-Qaida’s media wing. He also authored several books of religious thoughts.
The U.S. killed three other up-and-coming members of the terror group’s next generation leadership in the months after bin Laden was killed in a raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, by U.S. Navy SEALs in May 2011. Ilyas Kashmiri, the leader of a Pakistani group associated with al-Qaeda was killed June 3. Atiyah Abd-al Rahman, bin Laden’s chief of staff, was killed on Aug. 22 and Ayman al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen who was a leader of Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, was killed Sept. 30. US officials say that hints about their whereabouts were found in materials gathered by the Navy SEALs in the raid on bin Laden’s compound.
Al-Hussainan is the highest ranking al-Qaida official to be killed since those leaders were killed.
Mike Leiter, the former director of the National Counter Terrorism Center and an NBC News analyst, said it’s important to keep going after top officials to keep al-Qaida off balance.
“We are taking out the generation following those left from the 9-11 era leadership,” Leiter said. “If you can get into this level of leadership consistently, it becomes very difficult for al-Qaida in Pakistan to become a serious threat to the homeland.”
The fact that the attack was carried out by a Predator shows that the US intends to keep using the drones to kill al-Qaida, despite criticism from Pakistani officials and U.S. critics, said Roger Cressey, former deputy director of the White House counter terrorism center and an NBC News analyst.
“Anyone who believes that the drone program has run its course needs to know that people like al Kuwaiti are still out there,” he said.
Robert Windrem is a senior investigative producer for NBC News.
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AWESOME!!
Good riddance. I like drones when they do hit the scum right.
On another thought what the hell is wrong with Pakistan? They are not Arabs. Why are they adopting these names like Sheikh this and Sheikh that? While they are Muslims - they are so far from Arabs.
Beats me. This identification with Arabic identity is destroying them.
I hope the drone had the "made in the USA" sticker on it!
Plus: What's with the dude's red beard? I'm thinking Clairol or some other american type hair color.
From the quoted blog: "We celebrate to you the martyrdom..."
If it's such a celebration, wouldn't they all be running around in the open with big targets on their headgear?
I looked at the picture and...YES, Sasquatch is REAL!!
He got a little sprinkle of Pearl Harbor Day sugar with his jihad flakes!
Somehow, I don't think he will end up in the "paradise" he was expecting
The joke is on HIM! Sorry about the virgins bud!
Good morning....would you like a missle with your suhoor?
BOOM!
Good job guy's! Keep up the good work and happy hunting.
How can a non-flesh entity be a virgin or not a virgin. if religion is correct in it's teachings, when you die, you have no body. what kind of sex can a spirit have? i would think none.
As for killing this guy, i say great. but unfortunately there are many mean angry people like him just waiting to take his place. But keep up the good work and lets hope the good people of Afghanistan will get strong and finish the job.
Once again the old saying “the end is near” proved to be correct. This time the “end” was flying overhead.
NICE HIT.....! Right at the breakfast table too!
I can see it now, can you pass the biscuits, "KABOOM"!!!!!
ahahaha They droned his ass.
The devil and Skheik were standing in hell in front of 3 doors. The devil told him he could pick his eternal fate.
Door #1 Hanging by your arms in fire, NO NO I don't want that.
Door #2 Sitting in a chair with 100's of little trols poking you with pitchforks, NO NO I don't want that.
Door #3 Beautiful woman giving a fat ugly disgusting guy a blowjob, YA YA thats what I want YA, The devil says" Lady your replacement is here"!!
That is what those guys deserve.
Maybe South Korean PSY will have some lyrics about this to the Obama's at the "CHRISTmas get-together in Washington".
PJ:
Well it's not like they started it twenty years ago. It's waaaay more complicated than that.
Now THIS is the way to take out Al Qaida terrorist. Drone strikes are cheaper than having boots on the ground for years and saves American lives.
Way to go Obama and the guys at CIA!
46? the guy looks like 100.lol
This goes to one of the points I drive home to those who say Obama is weak on terror or is bad at foreign affairs. I make the point he is taking out Al Qeada and Taliban leaders quicker than I can keep up with them.
Nowhere to run to baby! Nowhere to hiiiide!
Worn Out. Really? That was very crude, insensitive, and you know what? That would be SO COOL if it was the truth. I know this. There is no way that loser is eating his Wheaties with a bunch of virgins at this moment......no way!!
Hope he is enjoying hell. I hope we keep the drone program running at full speed. Terrorists kill people without anyone knowing they are strapped. They deserve death the same way they bring it onto others.
In condolence to his family members who lost him during breakfast, I would like to send each of them a package of bacon! Naw, screw that, I'd rather give them bullets - in the head! Why waste good bacon!!!
RanDog,
He is with his 72 virgins, he just did not read the fine print very well, they are all male.
Bah, assassination is as bad as terrorism. You can't claim the high ground when you are on the same level.
Tbenton. Dude you are making a big assumption....that he likes women. Didn't you see that movie about Kite flying and male gang rape in Afghanistan? What the hell was the name of that movie? I even read the book and I can't remember.
Tbenton
Even worse, these 'virgins' all look like Yasser Arafat in drag.
Way to go Ido. Turn this into yet another idiotic anti-Obama rant.
IWonder-932455
I would submit that by calling for jihad against the United States not once, but twice, that the taliban have issued a unilateral declaration of war; therefore, there was no assassination, but the killing of an enemy combatant.
But no matter how you slice it, that sheikh is decidedly no longer chic.
If PSY gets to go to the whitehouse then osammy obammy is not just an idiotic fool. He's a traitor. Hey baaarrack. I think he might want to buy your daughter. Maybe he will trade for some Afganistan tar opium. Might be a good deal. You could send it to your friends on Halstead.
@iwonder;
If you knew something was going to grow up with the sole pourpose of killing you and your loved ones, no matter what. Would you allow it to grow up and kill you or your family?
Or would you take the "high road", not ground sir, and let your family perish?
Awesome and well done! Evil Mullah is already enjoying with his twenty third virgins and still 49 more to go. Then he will go for those 15 teen age boys and after that, his angry Allah will serve pure wine to the fortunate Mullah himself! How nice and what a superb life that evil creature is going to have from now on every day indeed and all his fellow savages can't wait to have the same privileges for themselves. Please, please help them by sending couple of thousands more DRONES to Terroristan (Pakistan) as New Year gifts and make them happy. Thank you. God bless America!
Must have been the Rice Krispies - snap, crackle, and hey WTF.
He's not dead... I think he's playing one of the dwarf characters in the upcoming film "The Hobbit".
"War is peace....Freedom is slavery....Ignorance is strength." ~George Orwell, 1984
Hey Rambo's.... Right now in Pakistan there is someone is thinking.....Ah you evil American CIA Drone Killers....My son was helping his mother deliver goats milk to Sheikh Khalid Bin Abdul Rehman Al-Hussainan for breakfast, and you blew up his house and half of mine killing my wife, sons & daughters.
I will now go to "Afghanistan" and spend the rest of my days using the Enfield 308 my Great Grandfather took from a DEAD British Soldier and use it to kill your "Children" from 700 Meters!
My daughter is in Afghanistan in a FOB "Right Now" so I hope you understand my disgust at your sickening Inebriation & Celebration of Death!
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind. Mahatma Gandhi
Look, up in the sky; it's a bird, it's a plane, it's....oh shlt...it's a drone.....KABLOOIE!
I'm certainly no Obama fan, but he's doing a great job with the droning of these terrorist turds....congrats, Mr. Obama!
@MUW;
I would imagine it to be good practice to stay clear of the Mullahs in this area. They drew first blood we did not. They brought this on themselves and the people around them.
We will keep this unextinguishable fire tamped down for as long as it takes . Once they relent and repent then maybe they can eat breakfast in peace, instead of pieces.
Damn, judging by the picture, I thought they found Sasquatch. Oh well, back to bombing other brown people... Can't we just leave them to their goats, pistachios and religion, and call it good? Though they will need to start wearing pants to be taken seriously.
Al Qaida theme song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYa1eI1hpDE
All you're ever gonna be is MEAN!!!
But I thought Al Qaida was DEAD.... isn't that what Joe was screeching ad nauseum during his campaign?
He said bin Laden was dead, FedupwithFed. Osama bin Laden was not the entirety of Al-Qaeda. He was it's leader, but not the organization itself.
You liberals are really sad, you descry the death penalty, defend felonious rapists, excuse minorities and yet, hey, it's perfectly fine for obama/bush to murder anyone he decides to, without due process of law. You are revolting. You make me want to puke.
Say, gcooper and coral, blah blah blah blah, split hairs much?
May all his virgins have crabs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQjztrnJzCM
Better tell that one to Barry!
Joe Biden was trying to convey that Al Qaeda is dead.
That all changed in Libya!
Actually this is a significant misconception of their martyrdom reward.
It's not 72 virgins, it's a 7'2 Persian.
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ~George Orwell
Coral Taxi First Blood? Hahahah simply BS and nothing but!
The CIA has been drawing their "Blood for Decades" and now they have drawn Our Blood in return in Afghanistan over recovering the CIA"S Opium (Heroin) Fields which now our Soldiers have to defend for the CIA and their Wall Street Banksters with their lives!
As I've said before a Thousand pictures are worth a Million Words....
https://www.google.com/search?q=US+Troops+defend+Opium+fields+in+Afghanistan&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=DJS4UMb0M5DTigKo64CIBQ&ved=0CD8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=610
http://www.policymic.com/articles/10959/bank-of-america-laundered-drug-cartel-money-according-to-fbi
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/06/us-hsbc-moneylaundering-settlement-idUSBRE8B500Z20121206
But Coral Taxi you know that already don't you? You're just out spewing more of your Corporate Controlled Government Lies Disinformation and Propaganda as ordered!
First Blood? Well since you Obviously don't have any "Blood on the Front Lines" (unlike me or you would have said so) please allow me to "Educate Our Readers" further.....
9/11 was a False Flag Operation.....Don't believe? Watch General Wesley Clark Connect the Dots for You and then watch this new PBS Documentary about 9/11....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw&feature=g-all-f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I
After watching these two Documentaries if you still do not understand the truth....You choose not to!
Next guess what happens when an American Air Port or Air Liner gets attacked or shot down by Al Qaeda using one of those "Missing" Libyan Surface to Air Missiles we allowed Al Qaeda to steal, Our Government will then Attack US and Our Freedoms again for the benefit of their Plutocratic UN Globalist Banksters on Wall Street and their Robber Baron Masters who are Controlling the Military Industrial Corporations!
Nightmare in Libya: Thousands of Surface-to-Air Missiles Unaccounted For....http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightmare-libya-20000-surface-air-missiles-missing/story?id=14610199#.UMKmDqwt524
Just say NO to their Endless War On America (oops Terror)! Refuse to Support Al Qaeda and ALL of their CIA / DOD / DHS Masters where ever they are found!
Impeach President Obama and Prosecute Secretary Clinton for Secret Aid to Al Qaeda in Libya & Syria, The Cover Up of the Murder of a US Ambassador by Al Qaeda, and for their Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi-Gate!
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ~George Orwell, 1984
PJ-
You are sickening!!! How can you support drones! They can be used as weapons of mass destruction! Just like F-16s and knives! ;)
@ FedupwithFed
Obama said "decimated." "Decimated" and "destroyed" are two different words. They SOUND similar, but they aren't. A group can be decimated, but still be able to function.
Al-Qaeda is hurt, but still active. They can reform and rebound, but only if they're given a chance. So we have to keep up the pressure. And even then it's going to be tough, since terror groups like Al-Qaeda are so flexible and adaptive.
And you may not like it, but this administration has been ordering a ton of drone strikes. Just because you're not reading or hearing about every single guy we kill doesn't mean that Obama's ignoring the problem.
Someone asked:
Believe it or not, radical Muslims like to dye their beards red because there are a couple of references in Islamic "holy" texts about Muhammad having a reddish beard. So, since they all want to be just like Muhammad, that "most perfect example" to follow, they slavishly dye their beards red in an attempt to go the full measure in looking just like their prophet.
Of course the problem isn't in the appearance, the problem is that they also want to be just like Muhammad in their behavior too. So they have no boundary that they will not violate, and no depravity that they will not engage in, to make Islam Supreme in the world. Just like Muhammad.
I consider myself a Liberal.
I support the death penalty.
I think rapists should be shot behind the court house the day of their conviction.
I think there needs to be a massive wall at our southern border.
And if an American citizen flies to Yemen to recruit Jihadists for attacks on other American, he doesn't deserve a trial, or an appeal or any wishy washy bullsh*t. Just a drone up his ass or a bullet in his forehead.
It's people like you, who whine and cry about killing a person like that, that makes ME want to puke. Have a great day and don't let the tent flap hit you in the ass on the way out.
Chris from Yucaipa....And if an American citizen paints himself up to look like Alice Cooper, he doesn't deserve a trial, or an appeal or any wishy washy bullsh*t. Just a drone up his ass or a bullet in his forehead.
JMHO but....that makes ME want to puke. Have a great day and don't let the CIA / DOD / DHS Drone hit you in the ass on the way out
Chris... It is Sad to see you are still spewing your vitriolic hate & nonsense instead of educating yourself in Reality!
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." ~ George Orwell
Why is it ok for obama to kill terrorists and SUSPECTED terrorists with all his drone strikes yet keeps our troops hands tied from fighting to our full capacity. The only reason we haven't invaded Pakistan under the same justification that we used to invade Afganistan is becouse Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Other then making this an everlasting war with no end in sight we should invade the tribal areas of Pakistan and cut our soldiers hands free to KILL the terrorists whole-sale. Time for some real shock and awe and bring this conflict to an end. If obama brings our troops home as he plans the terrorists will rapidly gain strength, and we will as a nation be in more danger then 911.
Bring our troops home and keep a couple fleets in the area to launch drones from.
Keep hittin' em boys! Take it to them!
(Here's hoping a stray drone finds it's way to Mecca and drops a nuke wiping out the entire city....I know I know, it's in Saudi Arabia, but what the hell, here is to more shelling of Islamic lands, keep the enemy at bay, because believe it or not, ALL Islam hates America, Christians and Jews...hell, any NON-Muslim is a target. Any religion that advocates strapping bombs to yourself, marriage to 9 year olds (a tradition started by Muhammed himself started- the Quran says he consumated the marriage to the girl between the ages of 7 and 9- a tradition STILL held in Islamic tradition...as is beheading and the likes) and a whole host of other acts of total shame and violence...THEY CANNOT LIVE IN PEACE, I mean, the same Quran over in Iran and Pakistan is the same one in America and Suadi Arabia and France. It tells Muslims to kill any NON Muslim.
@MuW
You should try quoting someone other than George Orwell.
Since love and fear can hardly exist together, if we must choose between them,
it is far safer to be feared than loved. ~Niccolo Machiavelli
You want the truth, here...
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with
nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with
commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be
hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called
'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join
the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old
Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly
open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of
the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah,
and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy
book's many calls to violence according to what their own moral preconceptions
find justificable. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments
that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.
Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people,
but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate
or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued
until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.
Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the
remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood
and tears across world history.
The Quran:
Quran
(2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of
the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of
Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they
desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until
persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical
context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and
his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by
their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in
that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later
did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie.
unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran
(2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth
and knoweth all things."
Quran
(2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed
for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which
is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah
knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence
can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only
in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.
From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad
was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding
merchant caravans for loot.
Quran
(3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
help."
Quran
(3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran
(4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this
world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he
victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are
unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are
killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause
of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran
(4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran
(4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus
be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until
they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case)
take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran
(4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and
their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight
with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in
Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He
distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This
passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting
them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the
modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a
spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is
clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically
disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to
be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and
this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Quran
(4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer
pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing
an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran
(5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should
be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
chastisement"
Quran
(8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No
reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran
(8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle,
turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them,
unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath
incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's
end."
Quran
(8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder,
unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations
interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this
word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also).
The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.
Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since
Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also
acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to
destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence
the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for
Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of
the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further
explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran
(8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to
strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran
(8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can
outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all
thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay
the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran
(8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran
(9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie
in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay
the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the
best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer
(salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five
Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the
context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since
the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they
been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a
duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).
Quran
(9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them
to disgrace..."
Quran
(9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's
sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as
"striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously
holy war.
Quran
(9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
"People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this
verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being
their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and
it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's
companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100
years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran
(9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how
they are turned away!"
Quran
(9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye
are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do
ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of
this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a
warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran
(9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but
knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42)
- "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would
(all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed)
on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in
self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long
distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case,
according to the historians).
Quran
(9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims
that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.
It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside
the faith.
Quran
(9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and
fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and
it is they who will prosper."
Quran
(9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their
goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His
cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the
Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than
Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the
achievement supreme."
Quran
(9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran
(17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to
the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word
proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that
the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."
(Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an
invitation to Islam).
Quran
(18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor
killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the
family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story
(which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses
encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to
make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later
explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).
However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would
"grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that
Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor
killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says
that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills
their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran
(21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their
fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually
reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they
who will win?"
Quran
(25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against
them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad -
obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that
this is a Meccan verse.
Quran
(33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease,
and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against
them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they
will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This
passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in
other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to
"fight in the way of Allah" (3:167)
and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which
include Jews and Christians 5:51-52),
and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against
Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims
are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this
passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why
it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran
(47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who
believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men
their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who
disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make
(them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The
verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is
in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
"But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution
from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with
others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
deeds be lost."
Quran
(47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye
should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with
you,"
Quran
(48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the
lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso
obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which
rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."
Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual
struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse
also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran
(48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two
very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the
word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the
word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
Quran
(61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of
Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9):
"He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the
religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even
though the infidels may resist."
Quran
(61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will
save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger,
and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and
your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful
mansions in Gardens of Eternity." This verse was given in battle. It uses
the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran
(66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites,
and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy
war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who
call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari
(52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until
you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Bukhari
(52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack
the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are
from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is
permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy.
This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Bukhari
(52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with
terror'
Abu
Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are
the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no
god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and
not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be
performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day
the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
Abu
Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad)
is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether
he is pious or impious
Muslim
(1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari
(8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people
till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say
so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then
their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with
them except legally."
Muslim
(1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but
Allah."
Bukhari
(11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the
prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses
for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."
Muslim
(1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the
deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in
His cause..."
Muslim
(20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is
another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one
hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to
the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act?
He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"
Muslim
(20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One
who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or
determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"
Muslim
(19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the
news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against
unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."
Muslim
(19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed
anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He
would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against
those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies
who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to
any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any
harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them
and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand
from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your
hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet
declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet,
killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the
scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by
his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The
words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have
departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their
religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and
seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion." The words
of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error
after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah.
The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men
were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
327: - “Allah said, ‘A
prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven
from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the
ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the
religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
990: - Lest anyone think that
cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation,
here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to
approve.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992:
- "Fight everyone in the way
of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions
to his men prior to a military raid.
Additional Notes:
Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every
non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to
as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant
(as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal
persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in
Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim
demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for
religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic
fundamentalism.
The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses
of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of
religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier
"Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim
apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their
"assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.
Far from being mere history or theological construct, the
violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and
genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for
five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody
conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an
untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was
very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the
same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including
the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey.
Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by
Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.
So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never
really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.
Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring
the men, raping
their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his
own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged
inhabitants and even butchered captives.
He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right
to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with
Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women
captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members
were slaughtered.
It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim
armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic
military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades
following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the
civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and
children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern
apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense,
this is an oxymoron that is flatly
contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back
to the time of Muhammad.
Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely
obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader
opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was
sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no
one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the
Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of
the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the
captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day
marriage").
One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are
seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other
[countries] in order to spread the word of
Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he
notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and
it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form
of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to
release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature
and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the
defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of
life."
The widely respected Dictionary of Islam
defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the
mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the
Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for
the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from
the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is
incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears
from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this
effect."
Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession
resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best
first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their
preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer
community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed
between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar
at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle
within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a
jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this
day.
The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about
Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is
judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual
repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be
devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture,
language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral
progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is
convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and
represses criticism.
This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so
dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim
terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and
understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to
contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of
peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of
Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls
for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that
sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the
broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret
their religion in this way.
Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most
respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty,
because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to)
convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other
Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of
verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes
from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers
to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New
Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught
that Islam is supposed to be superior in
every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the
evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in
contradiction to this.
Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian
couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being
too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury
for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely
following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their
daughter or lose respect." (source).
In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders
of civilians, women and children explicitly in
the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the
Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.
For their part, Western liberals would do well not to
sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for
reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the
existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.
There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran
literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done
in the name of Islam.
And to those of you who say Christianity and Judaism preach violence against muslim you are flat out wrong. Christianity and Judaism were both founded before Islam, hundreds of years before, therefore there is no reference to Islam in particular.
Wow coming from an American that quote is truly astounding!
So you think the solution is for everyone to FEAR US? Why that is just down right Machiavellian of you!
Let them hate me, so that they will but fear me.~ Caligula (Attributed)
Once America was the Worlds "Beacon of Light" and now we are merely the "Pit Of Despair"!
BTW astounding do you have any "Blood at Risk" in this Endless UN Corporate Globalist "Not War" in Pakistan or Afghanistan?
"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." ~George Orwell
Just because the Christian and Jewish holy texts don't mention Islam does not mean that its adherents don't preach hate and violence towards Islam.
Congrats to the drone operator.I hope you get a three day pass and a 6-pack....Not to take away from this joyous moment but, i have read several posts here saying that this is better than boots on the ground.If you are not trying to control the ground then fine but, if you are going to take the ground and hold it you are going to need some Infantry to do that.Drone can make them run,dodge and jump to get from point A to B but it will take infantry to put them permanently out of business.Just like roaches.
But Dick Cheney says Obama doesn't frighten our enemies. Cheney believes we should just talk 'em to death.
All over Afghanistan and Pakistan, herds of goats and sheep will sleep easier tonight because they are a little safer from molestation tonight.
Al Qaida and the Taliban kill many more of the Afghan and Pakistani people than the anti-terrorist forces that are killed by them. Anyone would think that the Afghan and Pakistan governments would be thrilled to have Predators flying in their skies and killing off these goat-molesting criminals.
AS USUAL...rt wingers are pissed that America had some more success under PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!!
Rt wingers cheer when something goes wrong for america and complain when something goes right!!!
starsailing.....some more success under PRESIDENT OBAMA????
Hahaha well here's some of the "Domestic" Terrorist "UN Success"!
http://www.infowars.com/obama-has-muslim-domestic-terrorism-scandal-on-his-hands/
You just have to ask yourself "With DHS Physically Searching Our Children Everyday and Sticking Their Hands Down Their Pants" what on Earth was DHS waiting for?
Another "Show Case" Terrorist Attack? Well guess what, they "Got It" but notice the Obama Administration sure hasn't been "Bragging" about it...Now have they?
Impeach President Obama and Prosecute Secretary Clinton in 2012 for Secret Aid to Al Qaeda in Libya & Syria, The Cover Up of the Murder of a US Ambassador by Al Qaeda, and for their Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi-Gate!
Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding. ~Mahatma Gandhi
Ignorance is ignorance; no right to believe anything can be derived from it. - Sigmund Freud
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
In 2006 President Bush Amended the US No Assassination Policy, go read 2006 Harvard International Review Article, "US No Assassination Policy On The Offensive".
This is when the 2006 Pre Delegated Presidential Authorized Mission to Terminate Osama Bin Laden was delegated to the Director CIA (further delegated to CIA's SAD/SOG), Commander US Military Special Operations Command, Commander US Military Joint Special Operations Command.
If you are a "Wolfhound" of the US Army 25th Infantry Division (Hawai'i), go to the US Army Special Forces Orientation Briefing (Wednesdays?), Ask them what they have to do with MQs; then you will see why what Sigmund Freud stated (above) applies to marlen101917, Coral Taxi, spider-737231, Mr.Bubbs, astounding, GreenTimer, starsailing.
Is it just me or does he look like he comes from the planet of the apes?
~$58,000 per hellfire missile; good aim or not.
Good investment idiots.
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2010/12/01/not-worth-it-every-hellfire-missile-fired-in-afghanistan-costs-usd58-000.html
Sponge, Bob
He is apparently someone so tech saavy; so elusive, that our only option is to spend $billions to keep him from casting stones in our general direction.
who is the man?....$58,000 per hellfire missile???
Well No Doubt that they are "Cheap" only cost one American Families yearly income each since they are being made by Slave Labor in Private Prison Camps the Military Industrial Corporations on Wall Street along with the Banksters are getting RICH off of OUR BLOOD & TREASURE!
Defense Contractors Using Prison Labor to Build High-Tech Weapons Systems...http://www.alternet.org/story/150777/defense_contractors_using_prison_labor_to_build_high-tech_weapons_systems
The Prison Industrial Complex: The Economics of Incarceration in the USA...http://www.infowars.com/the-prison-industrial-complex-the-economics-of-incarceration-in-the-usa/
The Pentagon and slave labor in U.S. prisons.....http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/pentagon-slave-labor-in-us-prisons.html
More Jobs Lost As The Government Decides To Have Military Uniforms Made By Convicts.....http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-prison-labor-is-forcing-small-businesses-to-close-factories-2012-9
You know a Government created "Slave" is even cheaper than a 10 year old in a Bangladesh Seat Shop!
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ~Thomas Jefferson
As quoted by Sheikh Khalid Bin Abdul Rehman Al-Hussainan.
@Mr Bubbs - I guess you are right.
@nawtark - the fact you are puzzled means its beyond you. So lets leave it at that.
@who is the man:
Now I was only making fun of the way the guy looked... I mean come on... dress like that and dye your beard red you look like one of the orangutans from planet of the apes. He, in my book, is worthy of the $58K spent on blowing his red dye to Kingdom Come just so I know that some ill tempered freak can not make plans to place Ricin or Sarin in a major metropolitan area or even better yet a dirty nuke or take out an airliner. Find another one men in green and I'll pay for the freaking missile myself! Bonappetite!
You know Sponge, Bob there are Millions of American Families who only "Wished" they made $58,000 a year....For what? Another dead man you cannot even proved have ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING!
The Only thing you can prove is 5 more American Kids Won't go to College, 10000 School lunches won't be served, 1 more Teacher won't be hired, 100 more Parks won't be cleaned, 10 more elderly houses won't be repaired 1000 poor won't get medical treatment etc etc etc......and 10 more Americans will be Imprisoned to Build you Death Machines!
Maybe the Corporate Federal Government will put you or one of yours into Prison so that you can help build the Missiles yourself?
All of you Ra Ra Swish Boom Ba Rambo's are Simply Disgusting with your Sickening Inebriation & Celebration of Death when you have No Blood At Risk and Never Will!
“One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.” ~ George Orwell, 1984
There have been so many assassinations of top Leaders of Al-Qaeda, I don't know who any of them are anymore--Osama Bin Laden (Huge) Alwaki.
All of them must be top Leaders, but even the Drones will not stop Al-Qaeda, or other Terrorist Groups from growing and expanding into Western Countries. It's good they are dead, but there is always someone just as bad to take their place.
Drones killing Leaders in the ME/N. Africa--Why can't a Drone find, and hit Assad--something smells with this situation. over 40,000 dead in Syria (sure the numbers are much larger than that) and no one can make a "hit" on him--who's playing Politics with Genocide? Russia, America?, Great Britain?
Egypt got rid of Mubarak, and look at the Rat (Morsi) who took his place---Promises by the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Egyptian people were stupid enough to think he was better, becoming a self-proclaimed Dictator--the Same will happen in Syria, when Assad is gone.
Al-Qaeda will live forever when a baby is born, and they are raised from birth as a handgun/bomb holding Terrorist.
It's always nice to have a Christmas present come early. I am hoping that the missile hit its target when a bunch of these pigs assembled for morning tea and crumpets.
Please, get yourself a $4.5million drone and about 500 more missiles and you can take the cost off the balance sheets and the conscience of every non-muderous, clear-thinking American. Thank you.
Just another dead pig. Sorry to tell these butt heads but their 72 virgins are all old nuns.
Oh, PJ-
I am not puzzled. I am appalled!!! ALL weapons are WMDs, right? You are applauding WMD usage? Oh, wait... there is no such thing as WMDs... Right... I guess it's all in how and who uses the weapons... You are so clever... lol.
"…The unsubstantiated claims that Syria intends to do so [use chemical weapons] are as transparent a pretext for an act of military aggression by the NATO powers as were the lies a decade ago about Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction.” The US has made extensive preparations for an intervention that has nothing to do with the “intelligence” it claims to possess regarding chemical weapons…"
"…The destabilization of Syria is aimed at isolating Iran and securing US hegemony over the oil-rich region. But such plans bring Washington into a yet more dangerous conflict with Russia and also China. Prior to meeting with Lavrov Thursday, Clinton told reporters that the US is determined to prevent Russia from recreating a new version of the Soviet Union in Central Asia and Eastern Europe using the “ruse” of economic integration…"
Mounting evidence of US plans for military intervention against Syria
By Chris Marsden
8 December 2012
Yesterday, Military.Com reported that 400 US and Dutch NATO troops were already “massed on Turkey’s Syrian border…readying Patriot missiles three days after NATO agreed to deploy the MIM-104 Patriot surface-to-air missile system in Turkey.”
This follows the announcement this week by Germany, which is supplying two of three missile systems to Turkey, along with one from the Netherlands, that it will dispatch 170 troops to Syria’s border.
US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle have both alleged that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad is actively considering the use of chemical weapons against its opponents, a move defined as a “red line” by Washington. On Monday, President Barack Obama said the use of chemical weapons is “totally unacceptable” and would have “consequences.”
Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Miqdad yesterday reiterated, “Syria stresses again, for the 10th, the 100th time, that if we had such weapons, they would not be used against our people. We would not commit suicide.”
The unsubstantiated claims that Syria intends to do so are as transparent a pretext for an act of military aggression by the NATO powers as were the lies a decade ago about Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction.” The US has made extensive preparations for an intervention that has nothing to do with the “intelligence” it claims to possess regarding chemical weapons…
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/dec2012/syri-d08.shtml
IWonder-932455
Please forgive the tardy reply to your 1.39 reply to my previous post as it's been a busy Friday at work; however, in re your reply:
You accuse me of splitting hairs?
How is responding to two declarations of "holy war" (which in the taliban fashion is neither holy nor war, but instead merely "thuggish" and "terrorism") by eliminating enemy combatants in their hidey-holes possibly splitting hairs?
One might suggest you are "grasping at straws" with your "liberal v. conservative" hyperbole in 1.39, possibly the result of a case of sour grapes left over from the outcome of November 6.
As a matter of fact, this one most assuredly does suggest that!
But, what the hell, Merry Christmas anyway! Assuming you celebrate Christmas, that is. And do try to stifle that gag reflex, lest you "puke" your Christmas cookies.
Another one bites the DUST, love that song ........... LOL
@MUW
How many more times you going to make the same dumbass Alice Cooper comment? If you got out more you probably know who it is and what movie it came from.
I'd reply to the rest of your nonsense but I prefer not to argue with the mentally disadvantaged.
These Al Qaida leaders are all being found and killed in Pakistan. And as with bin Laden, it is illogical that the Pakistani Intelligence services and Pakistani Military would not know of their whereabouts in that country.
If the Pakistanis are not in fact finding and identifying these individuals for targeting by the US, then the Pakistanis' aid and comfort (sheltering) of these criminals makes the Pakistanis just as great a threat to the United States as the Al Qaida leaders.
This point should be made for Pakistan by adding some high ranking members of the Pakistani Intelligence Services and Military to the target list. A few drone strikes against their own will illustrate to Pakistan that the United States of America is finished with their duplicity. Nothing captures the attention like a few of your own turned into smoking holes in the ground!
I truly hate to quote George W. Bush, but in this instance he was right on the mark: "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
@Chrisfrom Yucaipa - Anyone who quotes George Orwell (and Caligula) as many times as MUW, obviously has no clue what he is talking about. I mean, dude is posting quotes from George Orwell over and over and over again, nothing against Orwell, but MUW has no frame of reference with such crap.
@David - Seriously? Grouping a few of us together and diagnosing us with Ignorance? Seems like someone can point a thousand fingers, four or five in one post at four or five different people, telling them how ignorant they are, and quoting Freud, telling people to find MQ's and ask them questions...look man, read the Quran, it's not hard to see why Islamic countries hate Americans, Christians, and Jews. This is not made up stuff, I'm not asking people to go "ask someone" this or that, as you are, I gave you verses from the Quran, the same Quran read everywhere. Feel free to look up the same verses I quoted and do any translation you want, come back on here and tell me I'm wrong. You sir, are wrong...and to accuse people of being ignorant (7 of us at once) while you yourself ignore the facts (you think I posted such a long post for sheer joy? No! The purpose is to educate people like yourself. Go educate yourself and stop telling people to "go ask" MQ's. If you're trying to say something, say it. We're not going to go "ask" people for info. Cite it, source it, say what you have to say and argue your points, you actually telling people to "go ask MQ's really shows your level of ignorance.)
Now THIS is the way to take out Al Qaida terrorist. Drone strikes are cheaper than having boots on the ground for years and saves American lives. Why is Obama playing around with drones? Just nuke 'em and quit wasting more money and time on drones. Pakistan has proved time and time again they are part of the enemy. Of course we know why Barach doesn't. Quit sending them aid, give them one big bomb and keep the spoils!
I have to come down on the side of those who are saying "good shot". To claim that killing high level enemy targets destroys our moral high ground is crap, we are still on a comparative moral mountain. I approve of our turning those who vow acts of murder and terrorism, and actively pursue that aim against U.S. citizens, into dead people first. Boom.
Adios, loser !! Enjoy some virgins with your breakfast !! Seriously, this guy was a walking hemorrhoid and the world is better off without him in it. Here's hoping that plenty more of his Jihadist pals are served a heapin' helpin' of American Justice with their breakfast, lunch or dinner !!
America invaded Afghanistan because allegedly, the Taliban refused to surrender Osama bin Laden whom USA claimed Taliban had in possession. After Osama's death during the first year of the Afghan war, America broadcasted several videos of a fake Osama to perpetuate the war. The bogus videos soften Americans' opposition to the continuous killing and destruction in Afghanistan and Pakistan using drones, aerial bombs, and ground troops.
To conceal the America's military agenda, a Navy Seal operation in 2010 was launched to assassinate Osama, again, but this time in Pakistan with an immediate sea burial to conceal and seal all evidence of the cover-up plot. Despite the official death of Osama, the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan continues just as in Iraq and Yemen.
For the past 11 years, America has become the war maker, the destroyer of property and killer of civilians in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. America's Global War on Terrorism has created a legion of jihadists waiting and willing to wage their Global War on America. Unwittingly, the American government on behalf of the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) has started the Thousand Year War...... a war that America can never win. Hence, a hundred generation of Americans are committed to death because the agenda and aspiration of the MIC and war mongers.
I gave you your own post as well as the others to prove you and they don't know the subject matter:
Hint:
MQ's are NOT people to ask questions, so now you are TOO LAZY to even figure out what an MQ is.
What I asked wolfhound27 to ask the US Army Special Forces was, "Ask them what they have to do with MQs". If you want to prove you know what your are posting you ask them also, I am NOT going to spoon feed you.
LOL. I have been saying that the 109 Suras (a new term for you clearly) of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran (Quran) are the Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers.
And by the way their is a significant difference, since it appears you never went to a College at an Islamic Nation to learn Arabic then Islam, between the Hadith, Fiqh, and Sharia(h), and you mixed all of them with some of the 109 Suras of the Holy Koran in your post.
SO YOU ARE WRONG astounding along with the uneducated that voted for you post, as cannot distingush the differences between Hadith (Ancient Islamic Customs as Laws), Fiqh (Logic), Sharia(h) (Shia, Fundamentalist Islamic Laws), Fundamentalist Islamic Interpretation of Holy Koran as Law. It is this knowledge and firsthand life or death experience that you LACK, that enabled us to survive since the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone till now (deployed back to Afghanistan again).
One man's terrorist is another man's religious scholar with books out.
How many other "terrorists" were killed in this strike?
*Ahem*
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones
Show me proof otherwise instead of cutting and pasting quotes from brainyquote.com, because even Noam Chomsky acknowledges the up-tick in drone strikes under this presidents, and that guy wouldn't trust the American media as far as he could throw it.
Al Quaida has spread since Obama took office from 2 countries to all of the Muslim dominated ones. It is not "decimated". That was merely another pre-election lie told to the sheep to make Obama appear competent.
http://www.theworld.org/2012/06/mi5-warning-al-qaeda-spreading-operations-into-new-countries/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/politics/fact-check-al-qaeda/index.html
Is CNN ran by TEA Party wingnuts?
WallStFatCat,
Uneducated post. We (NOT YOU) went into Afghanistan October 2001 to Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government that provided Islamic Sanctuary (Full Support of Osama Bin Laden and Al Quada) to Fundamentalist Islamic Osama Bin Laden and his Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada.
The Original October 2001 Mission was NOT just to Get Osama Bin Laden.
The Mission to Terminate Osama Bin Laden was Added after President Bush (43) Amended the US No Assassination Policy in 2006. Since 2006 the Mission was to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden to gain his Thought Processes, Planning Processes, etc. as imprinted on his Al Quada, so that we could preemptively stop all Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Activities Worldwide, failing Capture of Osama Bin Laden Pre Authorized Presidential Authority to Terminate was Authorized as a Mission FAILURE.
As far as Iraq, after October 2001, we chased the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Al Quada, and Islamic Jihadists along the Old Silk Road into Northern Iraq. Some escaped into Pakistan. So in 2001 we augmented by the US Army 10th Special Forces Group went into Northern Iraq to conduct 2001 Operation Viking Hammer to eliminate the Taliban, Al Quada, and Islamic Jihadists that together with the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis became Ansar Al Islam.
While we were at Northern Iraq conducting Operation Viking Hammer, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran gave Ansar Al Islam Islamic Sanctuary, some also fled south for Islamic Sanctuary of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia of Southern Iraq (they became Al Quada Iraq), so most of them escaped us again before we could kill them.
The Big Mistake was made, Afghanistan was a UN Mission, and NATO appointed Gentleman British General McColl as the Commander of Asymmetric War Afghanistan. Since British General McColl had no knowledge of Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency, Counter Insurgency, Counter Terrorism) he did not stop the Taliban, Al Quada, Islamic Jihadists from returning thru Iran to Afghanistan nor from returning from Pakistan to Afghanistan. As the typical Civilian Rules to make War "Civilized" of Conventional Warfare mentality of allowing the enemy to gather and meet at a scheduled battlefied at an appointed time and place, and the idea of "Fair Fights". So all our gains at Afghanistan since October 2001 paid in our blood were lost.
While still at Northern Iraq our Mission was changed to prepare for 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom to accomplish President Clinton's US Law, H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, with US Congressional Appropriations; as 2002 Operation Hotel California (A Strategic Operational Feint to make the Iraqis Military Command and Iraqis Political Leadership believe that the Main US Military Liberation Forces were coming thru US Ally Turkey; so that the Iraqis would deploy their Main Iraqis Military Forces North (over 12 Iraqis Divisions).). Before you even argue, H.R.4655, was amended by the US Senate to allow the US Military Use of Force to Overthrow President Hussein, President Clinton attempted to and Failed with his 1998 Operation Desert Fox, resulting in the Islamic World condemning the US as the Great Satan.
Stop believing that bullsh!t Partisan Political Party nonsense as the REASON we (not YOU) went into Afghanistan after the 9/11 2001 Attacks. If you think it was great going into Afghanistan in October 2001, we previously knew from Operation Cyclone what the Afghan Winters here are (life or death), as to why after Operation Cyclone most of us went to Arctic/Winter Warfare School as well as Mountain Warfare (Technical Mountain Climbing, Phase I Summer, Phase II Winter) School.
As a minimum IF you want to know the REAL FACTS not emotive uneducated non factual opinions go look up the BOLD that I posted above. If you want the firsthand experience details from a participant (survivor) not in the History Books, I can provide those (as long as they are not classified).
I got to there in your post before I realized I'd rather artificially inseminate a Great White Shark rather than read anymore of your nonsense.
@MUW;
Yes they drew first blood on 9/11. They poked a sleeping tiger. They should of taken a lesson from the past that when we are hit we hit back much harder until our enemy relents, then we take the high road and build them back up.eg Japan and Germany two of the worlds current economic powerhouses. The problem here is that we are fighting a "my way or the highway" ideology fueled under the guise of religion.
The solution to peace for them is in simple street slang
"don't start no sh.. won't be no sh.."
Lord knows they are always trying to start sh..
Right wingers, left wingers, who gives a crap? Each celebrates when the other screws up and talks trash when they accomplish something. People wh like to get in here a play sides like that are the uneducated, sheep being led by the media. You do not win wars by being nice and politically correct and you do not win them by paying off the pieces of trash who support the very garbage we are trying to fight. Their attitude is "kill them all" so should ours be. I transferred several of these jerks to detention facilities, the type that had killed hundreds of innocent civilians plus our troops in Iraq. Even in cuffs, they would look you in the face and tell you that if they could free themselves that they would cut your throat and go after your family. That was all I needed to come to the rational conclusion that they need to go. All of you sheep who have never stood toe to toe with these jihadists, go back to your safe little house and STFU!
IWonder-932455
The only law they understand is the POINT OF A GUN.
And another one bites the dust
fedup
First of all, I've never heard of you thinking before. That "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" was done long ago (2003).
@ Astounding
[I apologize for the numerous grammatical errors and ambiguities that inevitably appear in a post this long.]
A few points:
1. Some of your interpretations of specific quotations are rather suspect. To whit:
-You quote 2:191-193 ("And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.") You cite historical context to justify your decision to portray this as an endorsement of aggressive warfare without moderation, but you ignore the textual context. For example, the verse that immediately precedes this quotation (2:190) reads, "And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits," and 2:193 reads, ""And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors."
Now you seem to be aware of this verse, because you immediately jump in with the suggestion that this is a mistranslation, and that the words that are rendered with reference to oppression are really speaking of disbelief.
I am not at all persuaded by this argument. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I get the sense that you don't speak Arabic yourself (please correct me if I'm wrong). Neither do I. What I do know is that a quick search of multiple translations shows that the dominant perception among those who do in fact know the language is that this is not a reference to unbelief.
Consider the following translations (the first three are from the page you linked to; the fourth is the first google hit for "koran 2.193" that linked to a translation.
Yusufali: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Pickthal: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
Shakir: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Islam101 dot-com (translator not listed): "Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers."
As you will note, not one of these translators made any reference to unbelief here. That's not because they're being politically correct, as each of these translations does include many controversial references to unbelievers. My bet would be that none of them translated this in the way that you insist it should be read because that's not actually what it means.
-. Re: Koran 3:56 ("As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
help.")
In what sense does this differ at all from what most mainstream Christian churches preach?
-. Re: Koran 4:104
You quote: "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
You then pose a question: "Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?"
I see no textual evidence for your extreme interpretation. "Pursuing the enemy" is often used in military contexts in which there's no implication that the enemy is necessarily injured. (In any case, the US military certainly seems to think that such actions are justifiable. See the Collateral Murder video in reference to this.)
2. "Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. "
This is complete nonsense. There are many verses that appear to call for tolerance. Here is a small sampling:
- "Say: O unbelievers! I do not serve that which you serve, Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve: Nor am I going to serve that which you serve, Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve: You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion." (109: 1-6)
- "And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit." (29:46)
- "Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve ."
Do these passages seem to contradict other passages that call for holy war? Of course they do! Show me a religious text that doesn't contain an apparent contradiction!
3. Violence in the Old Testament
That's a partial list of some of the objections that I have to your specific textual interpretations. That being said, I will gladly admit that there are a number of instances in which we find what appear to me to be clear endorsements of actions that I would consider to be completely immoral. And yet I have a very, very hard time accepting your claim that it is an "existential truth that [Islam] is both different [from Judaism and Christianity] and dangerous."
Let's take a look at a very small selection of passages from the Old Testament:
A. "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." (Exodus 15:3)
B. Numbers 31
[This follows the description of God's direct invocation to Moses to lead the Israelites in a war against the Midianites, whose crimes included having caused "a plague among the congregation of the LORD." So the Israelites go to war and beat the Midianites. They slay all adult males, but keep the women and children as captives. Apparently this isn't enough for Moses or for God. Here is the command of the Prophet:]
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." (31:17-18)
C. Deuteronomy 7
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girga@!$%#es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles[b] and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession"
D. Crimes worthy of the death penalty according to the Old Testament [a very partial list]:
- disrespecting one's parents
- worshiping idols
- blasphemy
- apostasy
- approaching the tabernacle while the Levites are setting it up
- working on the Sabbath
E. Two examples (out of many) where God personally intercedes to kill people in the Old Testament:
- He sends bears to kill forty-two youths who mock the prophet Elisha's baldness.
- He burns Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu to death for "offering a strange fire before the LORD."
Again, you appear to be aware of these instances, but you brush them aside by arguing that "Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly
open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of
the surrounding text."
This argument is patently ridiculous (and the linked article is no more convincing). There is absolutely nothing in the Old Testament that suggests that God's endorsement of genocidal wars against unbelievers, slavery, or execution for minor offenses and religious sleights is in any sense conditioned by an exceptional historical context or that God actually opposes acts of extreme violence committed in his name.. And not surprisingly, there are Jewish extremists who, like their Muslim counterparts, interpret these verses as mandating genocide today.
I found the website you linked to (religionofpeace dot com) to be highly disturbing. I see very little difference between the articles I read there and the articles that I've read in "scholarly" analyses of the Talmud published under the Third Reich.
any more babble?
Coral Taxi & astounding....You both are Simply Delusional and Obviously prefer to Stay That Way!
But while we are at it......Impeach President Obama and Prosecute Secretary Clinton for Secret Aid to Al Qaeda in Libya & Syria, The Cover Up of the Murder of a US Ambassador by Al Qaeda, and for their Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi-Gate!
PS at least I don't spew my unsupported opinions quote both the Bible & the Koran for pages and pages or spew endless Obscenities like some unworthy's hiding in the Vines!
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever." ~George Orwell, 1984
"Sheikh Khalid Bin Abdul Rehman Al-Hussainan, aka Abu-Zaid al Kuwaiti, was killed in Pakistan while eating breakfast,"
In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.
When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.
This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.
Hope people remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.
These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.
Drone attacks are not enough. To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.
Or else just get out right now and say: bye, bye to Pakis and Afghans once for all!
Always nice to know we can still remind Al-Qaida the we still "Reach out and touch someone!" Enjoy your seat at the table with your former boss in hell scum bag!
Islam is a cult. The long post by "Levtolstoy2" ignores the fact there were actually two periods of the pedophile rapist murderer (I know, hard to call him a "prophet" when we actually have eyewitness written history of his exploits) Muhammad. Mecca and Medina.
The sooner we rid Islam of the world the better.
"Convert or kill" IS their mantra. Anyone who denies it is simply being a muslim...lie to the infidels.
Ahhh..
Ok, first, all the Islam/Arab basing racists can go and please castrate themselves with a rusty spoon. That being said, taking out the leadership is what needs to happen. Taking them out by assassinations is illegal, by our standards. Taking them out by assassinations with lots of collateral damage is VERY illegal, by our standards. We are not really taking the moral high ground on this matter. I'm not saying that sending an extraction team in to pick this guy up would have been the safer option, but just like the Marines "No Man Left Behind" mantra often leads to many more deaths to save the life of one, it's about the principals, not what's easiest.
Sadly, we have people on this board who make the terrorist supporters cheering after 911 look like nuns at a wake.
A bad man has been exterminated. Taking a life is never joyful, although at times it might be necessary. Hopefully this man's death will lead to the preserving of life of many others. It is not joyful, and we should treat this with somberness.
Gleeful cheering puts you in a much worse position in the eyes of those who observe us.
Think people.
When allah accepts this d-bag, he can also accept this nuke up his ass.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Dick Cheney thinks we can talk 'em to death. And he oughtta know.
His administration took out Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with the September 11 attack on the WTC, while President Obama successfully goes after and gets the leaders of the bad guys. The bad guys who flew those planes were al-queda recruited Saudis. Nary an Iraqi in the whole lot.
Somehow Bush/Cheney figures that two guys, Hussein and bin Laden, who each wanted to make the world over in their own image would be buddies, and that nailing Hussein would really show bin Laden that he better not mess with us again.
There are those who do it, and then there are those who just talk about it.
"The 46-year-old cleric was seen as part of the “very top tier" of al-Qaida's remaining leaders in the wake of the death of Osama bin Laden,"
If this is the type of preacher and interpreter of Allah, then you can imagine the fate of followers of Islamic cult!
The Islamic extremist Frankenstein monsters have started backstabbing big time the inventers of Pakistan, British, and the masters (US and allies) who kept them alive.
In most of the Islamic terrorism and plots in the US, Britain, Europe and other places, Pakis have a hand.
Before followers of Islamic cult set their feet on Afghan and Paki regions, these regions were quite peaceful and prosperous.
Once the cancer of Islam gradually got control of the region, those regions have become raping, stealing, looting and killing fields.
In Afghanistan, Paki proxies Taliban did not even tolerate Buddha’s statue in Bamiyan.
Many Paki areas and some Afghan areas have become breeding and exporting centers for illegal activities including drugs growing and trading and export of Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world.
British invented Pakistan in 47 and Pakistan is supposed to be a pure Islamic nation. In Pakistan, it was massive genocides of minorities in between 48-50.
Percentages of Hindus and Sikhs were reduced from about 24 percent less than three years by rapings, stealing, lootings, terrorizing and killing on a massive scale.
Paki Islamic religious madness did not end there.
Sunni Pakis are after Ahmedias, Sufis (fake love and dance Islamic soap opera people), Shiites (20 percent), Hazaras, and Baloochs and other minority sects/tribes.
Shiites, Sufis, Ahmedias and other minority sects/tribes people are blown up while they pray in their mosques on Fridays. Ad even hospitals are bombed to kill those injured.
A Washington, DC based think tank Middle East Media Research Institute (www.memri.org) provides good details on what is going in Pakistan.
Those who give crap of replies, excuses or spins on my post:
just see this al Qaida top leader and that too a cleric was killed in drone attacks! DON'T DENY OR HIDE TOO MUCH OF REALITIES.
I am guessing he was killed by a hellfire missle, which is entirely appropriate considering where he is going. I hope his last meal was goat scrotum or something horrible like that.
With all these hateful posts nobody even knows who this person was or the others that were killed with him. All we have is the word of the gov't and that of Pakistan. Does anyone wonder why our country is the first to use the newest and most deadly weapons developed. Isn't al- Qaida in Syria, Libyia, Egypt, and so many other countries we are helping to overthrow their gov't? Americans sure have short memories.
You are Jackson, We don't know who the people with him were. But I am guessing not very nice people since they are with him. If I knew I was sitting next to a mass murder I don't think I would be there long!
If they are in those other countries then they will get one dropped on them as well!
No, the article clearly says that jihadi websites were "celebrating" his death.
Hey, why shouldn't we celebrate along with them?!!
Maybe because we aren't sitting in caves, humping goats for recreation and procreation and instead choosing to advance ourselves. I sure don't see a whole lot of medical breakthroughs coming out of the middle east. Or new energy sources. I see a whole lot of Muslims flying to Western countries for medical procedures that we've been doing routinely for 40 years. What incentive is there to innovate when they are taught that the sooner they die, the sooner they get 72 sexy camels to love on them for eternity.
With or without the hair?
Ever try and shave a camel?
Me either but it might be fun to get drunk and try it one night.
Hope you enjoy the virgins assss wipe.
I hope all the virgins are guys.. or nuns!
You folks got it wrong, it's not virgins... It's Ben Franklin and his Virginians!! Ayi-fek, ahu sharmota erhabis al Islam! Margbar Al-Qaeda! Baddad-baddad!! Another of Satan's ambassadors vaporizes from Yankee revenge (baddad) and more to come. I salute the Black-bag Boys! Breakfast, me arse! That red tint on his rug is from too much Goat-muff diving!
That dude looks like a stand in for Planet of the Apes....freaky.
Dr.Zaius, I presume. Like a lot of old guys he just finishes off the wife's Lady Clairol.
My first thought was the emperor from Star Wars - with a weird colored beard!
Believe it or not, radical Muslims like to dye their beards red because there are a couple of references in Islamic "holy" texts about Muhammad having a reddish beard. So, since they all want to be just like Muhammad, that "most perfect example" to follow, they slavishly dye their beards red in an attempt to go the full measure in looking just like their prophet.
Of course the problem isn't in the appearance, the problem is that they also want to be just like Muhammad in their behavior too. So they have no boundary that they will not violate, and no depravity that they will not engage in, to make Islam Supreme in the world. Just like Muhammad.
I thought he kinda looked like a zombie myself. His face looks a little bluish in that photo.
I am so thankful for the technology that allows us to rid our world of another murdering psycho. I hope he enjoys his virgins in hell.
Yet another one in a smoking crater. Funny when you let intelligence fight a war on terror.
Good news, another one bites the dust! Dang if ole Obama ain't creating a lot of job openings in the top tier of Al Qaida, new exec position open now at the top...if they can find someone stupid enough to take it. There is not a lot of job security for those positions..
Sure thing! And he's wreaking havoc on those rwnj's who still think he's a Muslim.
Do you think Osama Obama had anything to do with this. Get real. This was the work of our military in concert with our friends with three letters in their name. Who cares, CIA,NSA,OSI. All that matters is that the bureaucratic fools didn't warn him. The Chicago Democratic Machine will be proud when Osama Obama lets PSY in the Whitehouse to honor someone who raps about kiling American women and children.
Way to go Barry.
Really guy; do you even know what the OSI is?
mrs big your a coward conservative leave this country asap
OSI, Out-Sourced Industries! A la Bain Capital! Office Of Idiots, One Sorry Individual, who cares! Red Beard is no more! That's the story! As long as these erhabis (terrorists) continue to be destroyed regardless of who's guiding the White House!
Hey 'big' chihuahua, can you tally the number of terrorists Shrub got? I'll await THAT list. Funny how a TX 'businessman' who failed every company he touched got to be president, but then again you and your other mutts tried to get another 'businessman' into the White House, at least this time REAL Americans learned from an 8 year debacle to want another GOP 'leader' destroying America.
Friday 12/7/12 "Pearl Harbor Day"
NEXT ? The 2nd in Command don't seem to Live for Very Long ? Step Right Up, WHO will be NEXT ?
SPW in Alaska
Nice shooting fellas. He was an evil bastard who beheaded people like al-Zarqawi in Iraq! Good Riddance!!
I wonder if he'll be shocked to find the virgins have horns and he's in a very hot place?
Larry
I didn't know that pigs have horns.
it is great when modern technology works! the dirt bag deserved it. should take a couple of squadrons over syria with ordnance loaded to the max and not bring it back.
Nothing worse than being in the infantry and not being allowed to demonstrate your training to the enemy.I guess i can settle for a few bombs for now.Bombing serves to take out the stupid easy to get targets.The rest requires more finess.
With this Sheikh How many innocent women, children and elders have died and dying continuously with these illegal drone attacks. Is there any international or US law which allows these drone attacks killing innocent people. Some day it could be you and us in our country USA. Then someone might hear the same words and no one will cry for you.
as you hero said, (Dick Cheney) ...............SO!
To AC-1364730 One comment to you---- Remember 9/11!!!!!!!!
not enough
AC, what would you suggest, capitulation?
I understand what point you are trying to make AC. In all honestly, I wish we would leave the entire region alone and let them kill one another. However, it is one less disgusting person in the world that would have your head cut off because you believe in a different religion, or shoot your daughter point blank in the back of her head.
When they're men enough to face us instead of hiding with the women while they send others to die then they'll be worthy of our respect. As it is they're all cowards.
AC, Why aren't you crying about the thousands of innocent men, women, and children killed in Al Qaeda and Taliban suicide bombings. How about the 13 year old Pakistani girl shot by the Taliban animals because she wanted women to be able to go to school and get an education? Have you forgotten 9/11? Gay cocken oifen yam!!!!
If you are within 1000 meters of a Al Qada leader you aren't innocent.
My oh my AC. Illegal drone attacks. If they are sitting anywhere near this idiot they are scum sucking whores. It's called collateral damage. Maybe we got lucky and got some of his sons. The more the better.
And the alternative to drones would be? Let him operate freely until he nails a few hundred more non-combatants? Perhaps we should only use bows and arrows to be fair.
Someday it could be us?
Now that is funny, I don't care who you are.
Al Qaida can't even blow a guys nuts off in his underwear.
And they MIGHT be able to make and fly a paper airplane maybe 15'.
More than likely when they throw it, it will loop back around and put out an eye.
Cry me a river, these are the same creeps that killed afghan women in soccer stadiums just for being raped or showing a little face. I say blast the medieval tard to hell and don't worry about a little collateral damage, will be less than what those freaks do for kicks...
We know who you are - you must be one of those brain washed Pakistanis who supports terrorism wholeheartedly! You are pretending to be an American now because the drone gifts have started to break the backbone of your fellow savages and also exposing your evil faith fully. Where were you when 9/11 happened? Shame on you!
AC Finaly some common sense. A lot oh hate in these posts and not one person knows who these people were. When NDAA is enforced in our country I hope those same drones don't end up going after us.
AC
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. General George Patton.
why should we feel sorry for so called innocents when the terroists themselves blow their own people up?then again i wonder how the people of Dresden felt after the firestorms or Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Ugly fact is is that civilians have always suffered in every war recorded in history.This war is no different.
If people are to be tried for drone attacks, then those Islamic terrorists on rampage all over the world deserve a sronger punishment.
Also Saudi Arabia and Pakistan inventing, funding and exporting them deserve to be erased out of the map.
yippee kai yo kay yea Just what he deserves and I bet there isn't a single virgin waiting for him.
Yes there are.
Six virgin goats and the rest are ugly horny male virgins hung like camels.
Now, this is a major occurrence. Getting this guy is huge. The world is a better place w/o him in it. so much for President Obama not doin his job.
Interesting how we get these "facts" right away but still nothing on Benghazi. Guess Obama just does his job when it looks good for him.
Well put GodBlessUSAForever...
Gee DogBless... what could be the difference? Oh yeah! One is us getting attacked, the other is us attacking someone. Spend a few weeks thinking that over and get back to us.
Mudshark Osama Obama did not do this. It was our military. Osama Obama could care less.Wake up and smell the coffee brewing.
If Bush were C in C you would cheer another "mission accomplished" flight to an aircraft carrier wouldn't you.
When it comes to missions like this the Military is the undeniable 1st one to have all the facts about the subject.Whoever was in command of the situation is the one who also informed the president,either while the attack was in progress or shortly after.Missions like this also are on a need to know basis only.The military can't afford the media or politicians babbling about our missins before they happen.(too many lives at stake)
I was proud to serve under Bush and embarrassed and confused under Obama.
Proud to serve under a guy who was all talk (Bush) who attacked Iraq looking for WMDs which were never found. And stopped looking for murderer and terrorist bin ladin. And confused under Obama who redirected efforts to find bin ladin and destroy al quida. Obama's call and the Seals execution brought bin ladin to justice. The drones have decimated al quida's leadership. They can't even sit down to breakfast without wondering if the last spoonfull of food was their last, before they are Blown Up. Owen your only confusion is you like Bush better than Obama. Bush didn't get the job done, Obama did and is.
g F o U o C d K HIM!
Yay Obama, keep it up! Remember 911
What a pity.. NOT! bye bye buddy.. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha whoa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Rot in Hell @!$%#!
Hooray! :-D
Two egg mcmuffins to go. 2 seconds later. Make that 40 more mcmuffins
Obama might not be creating too many jobs here in US but there sure are lot of positions open in Al-Qaida. Sheikh Khalid bin D-bag, You are hell-fired!
Cheerio! Hope you enjoyed your Cheerios!
Cheerio! lol, good one. Or maybe he was having Kellogg's Dusted Flakes.
That reminds me, pickup a pack of Jack Links beef jerky tonight.
I'll bet my life he was having Bacon and Eggs or Sausage and bisquits. Hey haji, your dead, ha, ha.
Sorry boys, but "allah" won't be accepting this d bag in paradise. You guys are so messed up in the afterlife department.
A person's after life experience will be very similar to their in life experience while identified with the mortal body.
Most likely this jihadi will be eating breakfast and getting blown up, over and over, until he gets hip to the fact there aren't any infidels, just other humans.
namaste
TO BAD....VENGEANCE IS OURS.
from a friend.
Groundhog day(but never get it right).