Death takes no holiday: Tracking gun violence over one long January weekend

Interactive map: A long weekend of gun deaths. Click to enlarge.

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It was after midnight, early on a Saturday in the college town of Moscow, Idaho, and student Jason "Cowboy" Monson was at the police station to get back his Desert Eagle .45-caliber handgun.

In McDonough, Ga., about the same time, two teenage brothers were still awake. A friend was sleeping over, and their mother had let the boys handle her .38-caliber revolver, which was unloaded. She'd gone to bed.

In South Valley, N.M., it was quiet at the Griego household as 15-year-old Nehemiah waited for his father to come home from the night shift at a homeless shelter. The son was holding his father's AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

In the next few hours, the freshman in Idaho, one of the brothers in Georgia, and most of the Griego family would be dead, victims of three forms of gun violence — suicide, accident and murder — that are everyday occurrences in the United States.

Their deaths, and scores of others, occurred over a holiday weekend, the third weekend in January, when America celebrated the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., a victim of gun violence. It also was the weekend the nation swore in a re-elected president whose inaugural address referred to guns, though he didn’t actually say the word: "Our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of Detroit to the hills of Appalachia to the quiet lanes of Newtown, know that they are cared for, and cherished, and always safe from harm."

San Antonio Express-News via Zuma Press

One of 91 deaths identified by guns across America on a long holiday weekend: Officers with the Bexar County, Texas, Sheriff's Office investigate the shooting death of Jesse Rosas, whose bullet-riddled body was found on the side of a road near San Antonio on Jan. 21. Police have not identified any suspects.

 


By the end of the long weekend — after President Barack Obama had spoken and the red, white and blue confetti strewn along Pennsylvania Avenue had been cleaned up — at least 91 people across America had been killed by guns. That's more than three times the number of caskets needed in Connecticut after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. These 91 people died, not in a single burst of violence over a few minutes, but spread over a three-day weekend, like an autoworker stealing an entire convertible one part at a time to escape notice.

In the aftermath of the Dec. 14 Newtown shooting, during a renewed national debate about gun rights and gun control, NBC News picked the weekend of Jan. 19-21 to examine gun deaths across America. Today and on Monday and Tuesday, we'll tell you what we found and introduce you to some of the victims and their families. We also invite you to look at our online map and to draw your own impressions from the stories of violence.

We don't pretend to have found all the gun deaths over that weekend. There is no official census of gun deaths, and it takes the federal government many months to compile national crime and suicide statistics. We drew our list from the deaths that were reported in the press, and confirmed the details with authorities in all but a few cases. If you only want to know how many people are killed by guns on an average day in America, simply divide the annual figure, about 31,300, by 365 days, and there's your average: about 86 people a day.

As part of a weeklong special report, "Flashpoint:Guns in America," NBC News charted every death attributable to firearms that we could find over the three-day weekend in January ending on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. We found that, as President Barack Obama was being sworn in for his second term, at least 91 people were losing their lives to gunfire.

Why did we find “only” 91 in three days? The main reason is that hardly any suicides get reported in the media. Suicides by gun are twice as common as gun homicides. Some homicides don't get any publicity either. Unless a killer chooses a public place, annihilates an entire family or shoots up a Wal-Mart, he might not even get on a website, in the newspaper or on TV, not on a holiday weekend competing with the festivities in the nation's capital and the Ravens-Patriots and Falcons-Seahawks games. The Griego family massacre in New Mexico was the only incident that long weekend to get significant national news attention. It also could be that holiday weekends with NFL championships are safer, with so many young men – who are statistically far more likely to shoot someone — inside instead, watching the games.

Guns by the numbers: how violence adds up

Our goal was not, however, merely to count the deaths, but to share the stories of the people who died, to see what lessons one might learn from those whose deaths usually go unnoticed, that don't prompt the president to order the White House flag to half-staff.

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It's an inescapable conclusion, even from our small sample, that there are many ways to get killed with a gun in America.

Based on interviews with police, prosecutors and family members in all but a few of the cases, we tallied 53 homicides where one person killed another. There were another three homicides where multiple people were killed. There were six murder-suicides, and six suicides. Five accidental shootings. Three shootings by police, and at least two by civilians in self-defense. That's 78 horrors with 91 dead. On a different randomly chosen weekend, the count might shake out differently.

You can get killed throwing your daughter a 17th birthday party, if your angry estranged husband shows up. Without a gun, you might have an angry confrontation and maybe some tears. With a handgun, the birthday girl in Grapevine, Texas, lost her mother and father in a murder-suicide, police said.

Or you can get killed buying a taco from a vendor on the street in Los Angeles, if you get into an argument with the wrong person, and that person has a gun.

Or catching a train: A bystander was killed at a Bay Area Rapid Transit station in San Leandro, Calif., when a couple of gangs started trading shots.

You can get killed spending an afternoon with grandma. Just as the president was beginning his inaugural address and talking about making children safe, a gunman in Cocoa, Fla., burst into a home before a children's birthday party, shooting to death the mother of several of the children and seriously wounding their grandmother.

Or visiting a strip club. A U.S. Army soldier from Oklahoma's Fort Sill was killed outside a strip club during a dispute over a woman.

Manatee County Sheriff's Office

James Brady, 26, was shot and killed in Bradenton, Fla., Jan. 20, as he and two other masked men attempted to rob a resident in his carport, police said.  One alleged robber, Jared Lee, has been charged with felony murder in Brady's death. Authorities are seeking a third man, Charles Jones.

You can get killed for what may seem like like a pretty good reason, if, as the National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre put it after the Newtown shooting, you're a “bad guy with a gun” who happens to run into a “good guy with a gun.” There were two shootings by citizens that apparently were justified over the long weekend, including one by a man in Bradenton, Fla., who was ready with his own handgun and a concealed weapons permit when three armed robbers wearing masks confronted him and his roommate in their carport, according to police. He killed one of them, and authorities determined it was in self-defense. There also were three shootings by police officers that have tentatively been ruled as justified, including one in which an ex-con was shot dead after he threatened to kill his hostage following an armed robbery.

Las Vegas Police

Las Vegas Police Lt. Hans Walters, 52, killed his wife, former police officer Kathryn Michelle Walters, and their 5-year-old son, Maximilian, called 911 to confess and then set his house on fire on Jan. 21, according to police. Walters killed himself with the handgun as police moved in.

But as we saw last week when a former Los Angeles police officer allegedly went on a murderous rampage against fellow law enforcement officers, the “good guys” aren’t immune to the demons that trigger gun violence. Over the inaugural weekend, a Las Vegas police lieutenant used a handgun to kill his wife, herself a former police officer, and their 5-year-old son, before killing himself, according to police, just as the president was taking his seat on the West Front terrace of the U.S. Capitol on Monday morning.

You can get killed when your fists are outgunned, like the 22-year-old man who his family said was standing up for his friends in a brawl, when someone else pulled a gun and shot him dead, according to police. They were in Torrance, Calif., attending a punk rock festival headlined by a band called "Aggression."

You can become an ironic headline, like the 20-year-old man in Lafayette, La., who was shot dead about 60 yards from the Martin Luther King Jr. recreation center, on Monday, the day when Dr. King's legacy of nonviolence was being celebrated. That shooting occurred about the time the Obamas left the White House for their inaugural ball.

Or you can be ignored as just another victim of a street crime or a drug deal, barely making the local newspapers if you're killed in a "confrontation at a mobile home park" or "shot and killed in an argument in a parking lot."

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One of the surprises in our snapshot of gun violence was how young many of the victims were.

Oregon State Police

Kayla Ann Hendrickson, 16, was killed alongside an Oregon highway on Jan. 19, by her boyfriend, Jacob Allen Green, 24, after an argument, according to police. Green committed suicide near the California border, they said.

Twenty of the 91 were too young to buy a beer at a baseball game. There's the 16-year-girl in Oregon named Kayla, who was shot to death by the highway, apparently by her 24-year-old boyfriend, who then shot and killed himself with the handgun, according to police. The 6-year-old girl in Cleveland —  her name was Navaeh, and her family called her "Nae Nae" — who somehow got her hands on what police said was the illegal handgun of her felon father, and shot herself in the face. The 18-year-old in Baton Rouge, Terrance, who was playing with a .357 Magnum; when it went off, the bullet missed him, and hit his 2-year-old brother, Travin, in the chest.

It's hard to miss how male the victims are: Out of 91 dead, 75 were men or boys. And the men were even more likely to be the ones pulling the trigger.

There's no way to count them all, but the press accounts of these deaths are sprinkled with deadly encounters fueled by drugs and alcohol. We didn't trace the race or ethnicity of victims or shooters for this project; though research indicates that blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be involved in gun violence. But the cases over this weekend were not limited to "urban" violence, with the deaths happening in cities and small towns and suburbs across many class and ethnic groups.

Looking through the deaths from just that one weekend, one wonders how many of these deaths could have been prevented by the gun-control and gun-safety changes that are being discussed in Washington. There are no easy answers, but one can draw an overall conclusion: Because the types of gun deaths vary greatly, so the solutions would have to vary as well.

David Hemenway, a professor of health policy and management at the Harvard School of Public Health, says it will require a national mindset shift to make big inroads into the number of gun deaths, similar to the change that occurred in how child abuse – a condition once considered so endemic that it couldn’t be addressed – was viewed after new laws against it were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries.

"If it was in your safety to have a gun in the home, people in public health would try to get you to own a gun," he said last month at a forum on gun violence sponsored by the Harvard School of Public Health and the Reuters news agency. "But what evidence we have is that it's against your self interest."

Improvement in mental health efforts, as proposed by the president, might make a difference, particularly in the 12 suicides and murder-suicides. But many of the cases will forever remain a mystery.

Warwick, R.I., Police Capt. Robert Nelson, who is investigating the murder-suicide of a longtime married couple on the MLK Day weekend, said the law enforcement system is set up to find and punish wrongdoers, not determine root causes: “We don’t have clear motive, and you know, you rarely do,” he told NBC News. “… As seen around the country, when someone kills somebody else then kills themselves as a result of that, you very rarely have any clear motive.”

In the Griego family massacre in New Mexico, as in the Newtown school shooting, there still is no clear understanding of what may have driven a young man to commit mass murder. Nehemiah Griego, 15, is facing murder charges in adult court. Police say the minister's son shot his mother and three younger siblings with a .22-caliber rifle as they lay in their beds early on that Saturday, then waited to shoot his father with the father's military-style AR-15 rifle.

What about the proposal to take "weapons of war" — or assault-type weapons —  off the streets, as Obama put it? Police are reluctant to give out details of the type of weapon used in a crime, because that's the sort of fact that they can use when interrogating witnesses and suspects. You'll see a lot of "unknown" for gun type on our map, and we don't have reliable information in most deaths about whether a gun was purchased or owned legally. There are several cases in which guns were not possessed legally.

The weekend of gun violence does leave an impression that few crimes are committed with the assault weapons whose legality is being debated in Washington. We saw one Detroit homicide where a witness said the gun was an AK-47, but police won't say one way or another. And Nehemiah Griego is said to have used a .22-caliber rifle, then a .223-caliber military-style AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

Most of the killing, however, is done with handguns that are not on the political radar, one or two victims at a time, not crimes that depend on high-capacity magazines with more than 10 bullets.

“Certainly I’m not naive enough to say that if we were to ban military-style assault rifles and if we were to ban high-capacity magazines, that we’re not going to have killings or murders," said George Gascón, the San Francisco district attorney, an advocate of banning those weapons and high-capacity magazines. He was discussing the death of Daniel Colon, 44, who was killed with an unknown weapon on the morning of the inauguration, as he was walking home with his cousin from a bar where he had celebrated the football victory by the 49ers. "All we’re saying is that we can reduce the mayhem, and we can have greater control to make sure that the people that own weapons do so in a lawful fashion.”

Accidental shootings of children may be the most preventable, when children get their hands on guns that adults have not secured.

In McDonough, Ga., where the mother was asleep, the sheriff's office says the mother had let the children handle her .38-caliber revolver earlier in the evening, when it was unloaded. Sometime in the night, one of the boys loaded the gun.

The mother was awakened around 2:30 a.m. by a gunshot.

The mother's 14-year-old son had pointed the gun at his 15-year-old brother's chest and squeezed the trigger, the sheriff’s office said. The sheriff and the district attorney haven't released the names of the boys, and say they haven't decided whether to charge the brother with a crime. The sheriff's office said it didn't consider charging the grieving mother, because her gun was legally owned.

Many gun owners say they need their guns to be at hand and ready in case of an intruder breaking in during the night. "You try to look at the science," Hemenway, the Harvard professor, said at the gun violence forum. "There's no evidence at all suggesting that having the gun that you can get within two seconds matters more than the gun you can get within 10 seconds. ... There is a huge amount of evidence that having an unsecured gun leads to all sorts of death in the family."

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Looking at the gun deaths across the land, on just one weekend, is a reminder how ingrained the gun culture is in America, a large part of the story the country tells about itself, especially in the way its young men find identity.

Consider Jason "Cowboy" Monson, the freshman from the University of Idaho who went down to the police station to get his gun back.

On Friday, just before our weekend clock began, Jason's roommate spoke with his resident adviser in the dorm, saying he was afraid because Jason was keeping his Desert Eagle handgun under his pillow.

Jason was raised on a small horse farm in Middleton, Idaho, hunting and fishing, playing football for a Christian school. He was raised around guns. Jason's father is a county sheriff's patrol sergeant, and his mother is a former Boise police officer. (His parents did not respond to a request from NBC News for an interview.) Jason won a national speech competition with 4H, and was studying communications. He was also in the Air Force ROTC and hoped to serve his country. He had a new girlfriend and a sense of humor, and posted a lot of funny stuff on his Facebook page.

His online summary of himself was unassuming: "im a total cowboy. I hunt cowboy mounted shoot and drive an old ford diesel. Ive broken several bones and most recently chainsawed my foot, that was a great two months, insert sarcasm. I own several guns and will be in the ROTC at the u of I this fall. any questions message me."

Family photo

Jason Monson aims a blank pistol at the camera. Jason, who grew up on a small horse farm in Idaho, was active in Cowboy Mounted Shooting, which uses blanks.

Cowboy Mounted Shooting looks like a lot of fun. (Watch a primer on YouTube.) The riders train skilled horses and compete on an obstacle course, wearing a Western long-sleeved shirt and a cowboy hat and shooting guns loaded with powder cartridges--blanks--at ballooons. Jason had already won a couple of belt buckles. One of his fellow competitors described him as "very nice, respectful, personable and outgoing." It's a great sport for someone who likes people, horses, and guns.

When the roommate reported the gun, Jason was not at the dorm. The school called the city police, and an officer came and took the gun away. The police chief in Moscow (for non-Idahoans: that's "MOS-ko"), David Duke, said there was no hint that Jason had made any threat against anyone, and Jason wasn't in a whole lot of trouble.

After all, this is Idaho, where guns are freely allowed with no registration, and one can openly carry a gun without any permit. Jason had violated no criminal law by bringing his handgun to his dorm room, the police chief said. It was against the school rules to have it there — students have to keep their guns in the central gun locker provided by the school. Jason could have faced student judicial charges, but it wasn't a criminal matter.

When Jason got back to the dorm, his roommate had been moved to another room, and Jason was told that his gun had been confiscated. He called the Moscow police about 10 p.m. to get his gun back, and the officer asked him to come down to the station. He came down about 1 a.m., and the officer said he could have his gun, but not until Tuesday, after the MLK holiday, so he'd have a chance to lock it up at school.

At 8:46 a.m. local time Sunday morning, just as the Obama family was participating in a day of service by fixing up an elementary school in the nation's capital, Moscow police got another call from the University of Idaho, from the same dorm.

One of Jason's suitemates had found him, shot in the head, next to notes he'd written to his family.

Idaho has one of the highest rates of suicides in the country, mostly from guns. It also was the only state in the union without its own certified hotline with counselors trained in suicide prevention; a hotline opened in November, but it's open  only Monday through Thursday, 9 to 5. Chief Duke says he gets a call about suicide on campus every couple of years or so.

It turned out that the Desert Eagle .45 was not Jason's only gun. Sometime in the night, he'd gone out to his pickup truck for his Smith and Wesson Model 66 .357-caliber revolver.

'Flashpoint: Guns in America,' an NBC News special report 

In his obituary, his parents took the opportunity to plead against gun control: "Let us drag the evil hiding in the darkness of the most dangerous places on earth: Gun free zones."

Jason's photo with his obituary shows Cowboy Monson with a big grin, wearing a black hat and astride a reddish-brown horse at a canter. Jason is looking directly at the camera, where he is pointing his blank pistol.

That image is the profile photo atop his Facebook page, too, now and perhaps forever, along with the cover image of two semi-automatic rifles criss-crossed over the U.S. Constitution.

Read Part 2: The faces behind the numbers: Six victims of long weekend's violence

 Also contributing to this story and map for NBC News: Daniel Arkin, Meredith Birkett, John Brecher, David Friedman, Kriss Chaumont, Tracy Connor, Polly DeFrank, Matthew DeLuca, Miranda Leitsinger, Shezad Morani, Lisa Riordan Seville, Jonathan Sweeney and Lisa Wilkins.

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Now, how about a map showing the five or six hundred people who died from medical mistakes over the last two days?

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/27/14125293-cancer-doctor-reveals-the-very-dark-side-of-hospital-errors?lite

And why no map of the gun owners that saved their own lives and the lives of others over the last week? Here are just a few.

Tacony PA store owner shoots armed robber dead http://ow.ly/hAkc

Teen intruder dies after being shot by homeowner http://ow.ly/hAjZy

Intruder is shot while climbing through the window of an East Ridge home. http://ow.ly/hAjI9

Man shot during break-in now faces charges http://ow.ly/hzknn

Half-naked burglar chased off by armed homeownerhttp://ow.ly/hzk7c

Alleged intruder in hospital after homeowner opens fire in north Houston http://ow.ly/hzkvF

  • 9 votes
Reply#29 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:28 PM EST

Obvious biased media. Time to boycott advertisers..........

Did a clinical rotation in ER last Friday.............. saw several child abuse cases and a couple drug overdoses..... but no story on those huh?

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#29.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:50 PM EST
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MSNBC's latest GIMMICK to push Obama's anti-gun agenda. nice try...epic fail. Why don't you show an interactive map of everyone killed in a car accident?

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Reply#30 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:30 PM EST

I agree fully with Friend.. We could even follow just drunk drivers for an honest count since that is illegal.

Also many of the murders would still take place just by other means. A boyfriend may strangle a girlfriend or use a knife. Where is the count on all murders? That would give a better idea. Granted a gun is the easy fast way but if someone is set on killing it will probably happen regardless of means.

    #30.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:00 AM EST
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    How about a map of PTSD related suicides/shootings the Govt/Military don't want us to see?

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    Reply#31 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:30 PM EST

    Alright NBC, keep slapping the @!$%# out of the NRA/NSSF/Gun Wingnuts once or twice daily. They're like a blender without a lid, slinging brain @!$%# everywhere.

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    Reply#32 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:32 PM EST

    See? This is why guns need to be banned forever. Things like this and Colorado shootings and Sandy Hook would've NEVER happened. I'm sorry but guns just have no purpose on Earth whatsoever! TRUST me~

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    Reply#33 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:32 PM EST

    In reality this is impossible. You should know this as an adult.

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    #33.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:35 PM EST
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    Gun-lovers should be exceedingly proud.

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    Reply#34 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:33 PM EST

    Obama has a gun, so he too must be proud of these deaths.

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    #34.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:39 PM EST

    You own a car? We had some deaths this weekend due to autos so you too must be proud.

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    #34.2 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:46 PM EST
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    USA USA how many are we going to kill today. I have an idea, lets get more GUNS.... that should help. What a sick country.

      Reply#35 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:35 PM EST

      Again, solely blaming guns is the easy way out. Try to find the actual cause of the violence and you can do some good.

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      #35.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:38 PM EST
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      How many of the killers were NRA members? Answer: None.

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      Reply#36 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:35 PM EST

      ....EXACTLY dweezil22. This fact doesn't matter to the left. How many were licensed to carry or even had registered their firearms? Perhaps the accidental shooting incidents were by legally registered firearms but the vast majority of murders by shootings are not legally registered guns and almost none are NRA members.

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      #36.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:43 PM EST
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      How many deaths occurred from other murder or accidental means other than guns? How many by auto accidents? How many drug OD's?? DUI'S??? Aren't there already laws in place to prevent those from happening too but they still happen....ITS ILLEGAL TO KILL SOMEONE NO MATTER THE WEAPON BUT PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS FIND WAYS TO DO IT!!!

      THE GOAL OF THE LEFT IS TO DISARM US. THE AGENDA HAS REPEATED ITSELF THROUGHOUT HISTORY IN OTHER SYTEMS OF TRANSITION INTO TYRANNICAL RULE SUCH AS WE ARE SEEING NOW.

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      Reply#37 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:35 PM EST

      These idiot's don't get it it's not GUN violence it's just violence if it wasn't guns it would be knives or clubs or sticks DON'T put this on guns one _____— day you'll need one VIOLENCE GET IT. ONE MORE TIME ALL TOGETHER VIOLENCE

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      Reply#38 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:38 PM EST

      Yup! Good point!

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      #38.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:44 PM EST
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      One thing for sure - I don't ever want to hear another NBC pundit claim that Fox News is biased.

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      Reply#39 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:38 PM EST

      Amen.

      Oh, you're supposed to say, "Faux News," I think that's more trendy.

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      #39.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:42 PM EST

      I don't like any of the majors any more. They all suck. Journalism is dead.

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      #39.2 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:43 PM EST
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      The bodies just keep piling up.

        Reply#40 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:39 PM EST

        Hello folks, despite which side of the gun argument you are on, the question you have to ask yourself is why does the government and their advocates want to manipulate the 2nd Amendment? Remember, a prudent person knows that there are two sides to every argument and issue, right. So if you are with me so far, an intelligent person would look at the evidence on both sides of the argument, review the arguments, weigh it, and base their decision after careful consideration, correct?

        Now, the right to bear arms is a constitutional right, I don’t think there is much argument there. And the argument by the 2nd Amendment right proponents, let’s call them the hardliners is that there is no need to implement a ban on “assault rifles” because that’s what this is really about. Large magazines are also in the argument but the “assault rifles” is really the target and what’s under fire (no pun intended).

        Let’s look at those that want to define the 2nd Amendment as not including “assault rifles”. Their concern stems from the shootings in Aurora, Co, the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shootings and the Sandy Hook school shootings. The concern is that the “assault rifles” were the cause of the deaths of innocent people and that there isn’t a need for “assault rifles” on the streets of America. These shootings are what they base their evidence on and the Sandy Hook shootings with the killing of children as just cause or as the tipping point. The Main Stream Media has flooded the airwaves with information to corroborate their point. You need go no further then MSNBC to see that even “conservative” Joe Scarborough is leading the charge on banning “assault rifles”.

        On the other side of the coin, you have those who think that the Constitution and in this case the 2nd Amendment is a sacred document and a right that was fought for by our forefathers and that there is a specific reason why the founders incorporated it into the Bill of Rights. The main argument is that the2nd Amendment spells out that people have the right to arm themselves and remove a tyrannical government if it is necessary. They will also point you to mounting evidence that refutes the MSM’s conclusion of what occurred at Sandy Hook. Many point to this video that has received almost 9 million hits that raises and asks fair questions regarding the discrepancies. Note: The majority of the information comes from the Main Stream Media.

        The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed.

        I think that one must look at both sides of the evidence to be fair before drawing a conclusion.

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        Reply#41 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:40 PM EST

        There is nothing in the second amendment about keeping arms to protect us from a tyrannical government. Militias existed to protect people locally and in the states from outside threats such as foreign invasion or insurrection. The whole idea behind the Constitution was that people could change their government through the ballot box and by laws created by a representative government. The Constitution was written to prevent constant and violent domestic upheaval. Their failure to address slavery resulted in the politics that culminated in the Civil War. There may be reasons to argue the meaning of the 2nd amendment (whether it was intended to be a blanket right, or was dependent upon the existence of a state sanctioned militia) but it had nothing whatsoever to do with arming the population against the government.

          #41.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:51 PM EST

          Anita,

          The Bill of Rights was added to the constitution before it was ratified.

          The 1st ten amendments are to protect us FROM the government

          and were not in the in the original document Hince the word Amendments

          or for the slow people "Corrections" The constitution nor the bill of rights

          do not give any person any right. It affirms the rights you were born with.

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          #41.2 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:19 PM EST

          Thank you for trying to point out facts to the willfully blind And deaf to truths that do not support their Agenda...
          The Progressive Agenda.
          Progressive Liberals= Communists.That's not name calling its fact,they needed to change the words so they could be accepted without concern,That is till you find out their real Agendas are aligned with Communism.

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          #41.3 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:37 PM EST
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          We need many more and larger prisons. Put the animals on the other side of the bars!

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          Reply#42 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:41 PM EST

          We already incarcerate more of our population than any other country in the world. Its not working and its costing us a fortune. Lets try something else.

            #42.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:52 PM EST

            Anita,

            I agree. Let's do what China does. Let's shoot them and bill their families for the bullet.

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            #42.2 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:59 PM EST

            You're right Anita...we need to start executing murderers, rapists, child molestors, and repeat violent offenders within 2 years of their sentence. No more free rides for the criminals, time to punish the guilty.

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            #42.3 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:43 PM EST
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            TurstVerify,

            You are Republican, so by default I am sure your facts and reasoning are wrong.

            I don't even need to check.

            Seems to me that Repulicdums just need an excuse to Kill, after all,

            they got a lot of people they gotta send back to the Jesus.

            By the way, Just saw Bobby Jindahl on a sound bite saying the Republicans

            have to stop being the party of dumb.

            Baaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

            Good luck with that.

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            Reply#43 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:41 PM EST

            Both parties have been unbelievably stupid, but they gave done a great job of making their following hate the other side so nothing gets done. When people realize that both sides need a swift kick in the behind, we can get stuff done. Just blaming the other side has done nothing to move us forward as a nation.

            • 2 votes
            #43.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:47 PM EST

            Since gangs and repeat offenders with violent arrest records are responsible for at least 85% of the violence in the country...how many of them do you suppose are Republicans?

            If you think the Democrats are virtuous and the Republicans are evil then you are just dumb enough to believe anything that you read on the internet.

            • 3 votes
            #43.2 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:52 PM EST

            Republicans?????????????

            The Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from
            2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the
            victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time
            period.

            Of the victims of murder in Chicago from 2003 to 2011, an average
            of 77 percent had a prior arrest history, with a high of 79 percent of the 436
            murdered in Chicago in 2010 having arrest histories.

            For the same
            2003-2011 period, blacks were the victims of 75 percent of 4,265 murders. Blacks
            also were the offenders in 75 percent of the murders.

            According to 2010
            U.S. Census information, Chicago has a population of 2,695,598 people. The city
            is 33 percent black, 32 percent white (not Hispanic), and 30 percent Hispanic or
            Latino in origin.

            For the 2003-2011 period, whites were nearly 6 percent
            of the victims and accused of carrying out 4 percent of the murders.

            For
            the 2003-2011 period, Hispanics or Latinos were 19 percent of the victims and 20
            percent of the offenders.

            • 2 votes
            #43.3 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:44 PM EST

            Eric,
            Wow, such deep thought must have you exhausted,Was that from the Left's memos on how to baffle them with brilliance? FAIL

            • 1 vote
            #43.4 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:44 PM EST
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            I would like to see how many people died in Car accidents, and then how many of those were drunk drivers. The agenda is to bring the US people to their knees, we will not be able to defend out homes from anyone.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#44 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:42 PM EST

            Oh my God, NBC isn't even trying to hide it's liberal, anti-gun propaganda agenda anymore. Is NBC owned by communists, because they certainly seem to hate the Contitution of the United States Of America.

            Here's a breakdown of the gun control issue folks:

            * Violent crime in the United States has been falling for decades.

            * Gun crime in countries that have banned guns doesn't go down.

            * Violent crime in coutries that have banned guns goes up.

            * Violent crime and gun homicides in the United States are at exponentially higher levels in the cities with the strictest gun laws.

            * 77% of gun murders are committed by people with arrest records.

            * 77% of the "victims" of gun murders are people with arrest records.

            * There are 1.5 million gang members in the United States who don't care about laws.

            * 550,000 of those gang members are illegal immigrants.

            * The groups who would benefit most from gun bans in the United States are 1) Criminals. 2) Foreign terrorists. 3) Foreign armies. 4) A tyrannical government.

            * If you aren't a gang member or a career criminal...your chance of getting killed by a gun is .04%. Which statistically speaking is about 0%.

            • 11 votes
            Reply#45 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:43 PM EST
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            NBC doesn't like guns, I get it. Where are all the stories of the Drunk Driving deaths? Oh thats right we can't get ride of alcohol because that's not "scary" it just kills more.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#46 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:43 PM EST

            Boycott MSNBC and every company they are affiliated with.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#47 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:43 PM EST

            I'm really getting tired of this kind of sensationalized type of reporting. You just lost another reader.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#48 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:44 PM EST

            Yawn.....

            NBC calls themselves a "news" organization....what a joke...

            • 10 votes
            Reply#49 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:45 PM EST

            BE RESPONSIBLE! Report fairly. This is media sensationalism of the "current Hot Topic". Now do a story with the exact same depth, including the map, but do it on vehicular deaths. Come on, I dare you.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#50 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:46 PM EST

            Why do they title this story as Long Weekend of Gun Deaths and then show a map full of dots that have dates in January?

            Me no comprendo....

            • 3 votes
            Reply#51 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:48 PM EST

            Thedude, if you get a chance to read the story, you'll see that we researched the gun deaths that happened over the long weekend of the MLK holiday and the presidential inauguration, Jan. 19-21. (It wouldn't be possible to confirm cases with authorities over a weekend as that weekend was happening.)

              #51.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:00 PM EST

              The question, Bill...is why has nbcnews.com declared war on the 2nd Amendment and law-abiding gun owners?

              Where are all of your stories on gang violence and the 1.5 million gang members in the country? Where are all of your stories on the 550,000 illegal immigrants who belong to street gangs? Where are your stories about how illegal immigrants make up 40% of the inmates in federal prisons? Where are your stories about the gang members, career criminals, and repeat offenders who are responsible for about 85% of all violent crime? Where are your stories about how the average number of gun deaths in England were higher in the ten year period AFTER their 1997 gun ban than the ten year period BEFORE the gun ban? Where are your stories about the 1 million + times a year when guns are used by law-abiding citizens to prevent crime?

              • 4 votes
              #51.2 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:27 PM EST

              Bill, you need to investigate mental health issues and why the fabric of our society is falling in like a house of cards in a windstorm. You need to investigate why the mental health community has not been able to identify, contain and treat these individuals and what government mechanisms are blocking such actions. What you are doing is tantamount to wanting to ban matches for arson. You are missing the larger picture completely and if you focused your efforts and time into centering on the reasons why people do what they do and what we, as a society can do to fix it, rather than doing what you're doing which is focusing on the inanimate objects, we just might see some good in what you report.

              • 1 vote
              #51.3 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:45 PM EST

              Bill only answers the easy questions,just as the media only asks softball questions to any in this Administration,Unless of course they have a R or TP after their name,Are pro-life,Pro-gun,religious ect,Then they will try to slam them anyway they can.

              • 2 votes
              #51.4 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:51 PM EST
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              Having lost my sister and her son to drunk drivers in two separate incidents on the same road..... how 'bout a fear ridden, biased and definately politically oriented FRONT PAGE story about DRUNK DRIVING deaths..........on... ohhhhhhhh let's say..... St. Patrick's day..... or New Years Eve.....or let's just pick a weekend in the summer?

              And since NONE of the weapons used in this article were used in a LEGAL manner.... how 'bout doing a story about TEEN drinking? OR Drug Abuse????? THOSE are SCARY stats...................

              I think it's about time that legal gun owners boycott and write letters to those advertisers who use NBC.....

              • 4 votes
              Reply#52 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:48 PM EST

              I agree. Drunk driving kills more people than gun homicides every year, and most of those victims are truly innocent. As opposed to the overwhelming majority of gun homicide victims who are gang members and career criminals.

              If the liberals are really interested in saving lives they'd be shining the spotlight on cancer, heart disease, tobacco, drunk driving, and the dozen other things that kill more people every year. They'd also be demanding that the government puts an end to low prosecution rates, light sentences, and early paroles for violent offenders.

              • 2 votes
              #52.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:55 PM EST
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              Funny how the liberal pukes don't write stories about how many time lives have been saved by a LEGAL LAW ABIDING citizen who uses a gun in self defense. They don't track those stories. They also fail to tell you many of the gun killings are gang related.

              The liberal media has decided what their agenda will be and now it is guns so they will focus their power to shape and decide what stories people will see.

              I will say this to all you liberal anti-gun clowns. I am an average man who works hard and lives a decent life. I harbor no ill will towards anyone who treats me with the respect I have earned in my 54 years. That said, if you come to my door for my gun, I will die defending my 2nd amendment rights and take out whomever I can with me. There are more of us who feel that way than any of you liberals can imagine.

              The liberal rags like MSNBC and the rest should concentrate on a campaign that focuses on the mentally ill and the warning signs that are ALWAYS there BEFORE they act. That is a battle that we all can get behind!

              • 5 votes
              Reply#53 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:48 PM EST
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