The faces behind the numbers: Six victims of long weekend's gun violence

Family and friends remember 21-year-old shooting victim Rebecca Foley, a student at Savannah State University in Georgia, and grapple with her loss.

Theirs are the faces behind the numbers. A hard-working college student shot in her prized car. A fun-loving 2-year-old accidentally shot by his brother. An aging rocker killed for a thousand bucks.

A special weeklong examination of gun violence, gun ownership and gun legislation. NBC News journalists will report across "NBC Nightly News," "TODAY," MSNBC, CNBC, NBCNews.com, and more. The conversation will also extend across NBC News and MSNBC's social media platforms using the hashtag #GunsInUSA.

As part of a special NBC News report, “Flashpoint: Guns in America,” NBCNews.com catalogued 91 shooting deaths across the country between Jan. 19 and 21, the weekend the nation marked the memory of Martin Luther King Jr. and ushered a president into his second term. While not a statistically valid sample, the snapshot of gun violence in America is intended to illuminate both the magnitude of the problem and the personal toll such violence inflicts at a time of national debate about gun rights and gun control in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school shooting.

The victims we found died during robberies, after arguments, in moments of despair. They were killed by loved ones, by strangers, by their own hand. Each story, in its own way, is heartbreaking. As the country awaits President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address on Tuesday night, we share a handful of them here:

Rebecca Foley worked as a babysitter, office clerk and cater-waiter to put herself through college, and she scraped and saved to make her first big purchase: a 2006 cherry-red Volkswagen Beetle. The 21-year-old business student adored tooling around Savannah, Ga., with the windows down.


Courtesy Sarah Shoup

Rebecca Foley, left, leans against her VW Beetle with friend Sarah Shoup in this undated photo.

On the evening of Jan. 21, she was driving home with her boyfriend of a year following behind in his own car after getting his nails painted because he lost a bet with her, police said. He got caught up in traffic and so she was alone as she piloted the car into her apartment complex’s parking lot, past the live oak trees and hanging moss, toward her tidy garden-level unit.

What happened next is a mystery, but the boyfriend told police that when he finally caught up, he found the little red car stopped at a bizarre angle and Foley slumped over the steering wheel. She had been shot, apparently while the car was still moving, and would be dead within minutes. The rear, driver-side window was shattered by a single bullet that left a hole the size of a 50-cent piece. No arrests have been made, despite a $6,000 reward, and the motive is unknown.

To family and friends, Foley’s violent end still seems unreal.

“She never was around anybody who would put her in a bad situation. She never had any enemies,” said Alixandra Scalia, 20, a former roommate.

Interactive map: A long weekend of gun deaths. Click to enlarge.

Friends and family members use almost identical language to describe Foley, calling her a beautiful, hard-working young woman who was determined to put old family troubles behind her and realize her goal of a degree, grad school and a good job in the risk-management industry.

Born in Charlotte, N.C., and raised in rural Virginia and Georgia by her divorced mom, Foley played the violin at 4 but didn’t read until second grade, after she was diagnosed with attention-deficit disorder. She had a rocky relationship with her mother, Jennifer, and moved out when she was 17.

“She said, ‘I can’t live under your roof and I won’t.’ But she graduated high school, which doesn’t always happen in these cases, and she went on to college,” her mother told NBC News.

She bounced between several colleges and overcame academic setbacks before enrolling full-time at Savannah State University, where she hit her stride. Her mother said she “worked her butt off” to stay on track, and one of her professors wrote that she was a “joy to work with.”

She would rise at 4:30 some mornings to fit in work in a local insurance office before school. She kept her credit score on a Post-it note and cooked dinner with a friend every night to save money.

At Christmas, she splurged a little on her “very first cruise” to the Bahamas, said one of her bosses, insurance agent Mitchell Bush. She dreamed of buying a fixer-upper on Tybee Island, an island town near Savannah.

“We had just talked about that on Sunday -- and Monday she was dead,” said her grandmother, Lois Fowler.

The night of the shooting, Foley’s two roommates were in the apartment when they heard her boyfriend banging on the door.

“He was just saying, ‘Rebecca’s been shot and just kept repeating that,’” said Abbey Bernal, 22. “Medics tried to resuscitate her, and it was too late. I just saw them pull the sheet over her head.”

Friends and family said they can’t believe they won’t see Foley’s flashing blue eyes and big smile again. They remember how she loved cream of potato soup, wore SpongeBob slippers and doted on her Shih-Tzu named Zoe.

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Jennifer Foley holds a portrait of her daughter, Rebecca, inside her Calhoun, Ga. home.

Foley’s mother said she and her daughter had grown closer in recent months and that Rebecca had called the day she was killed to ask what dishes would go well with a pork roast.

And there was another conversation she remembered.

“She called me not six months ago and said she had a dream that she was going to die young,” her mother said. “I told her, ‘I don’t think that’s true. I hope that’s not true.’”

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Family members say they’ll remember 2-year-old Travin Varise for how his chubby face would break into the sweetest smile, how excited he got every time “Finding Nemo” came on, how he went after a drumstick with gusto.

And how he loved his big brother, Terrance.

Family photo

Travin Varise, 2, was fatally shot at his Baton Rouge, La., home on Jan. 21.

“Terrance growed his little brother up,” his aunt, Juanita, said. “Before my sister knew who the baby’s father was, he raised him up like it was his son.”

That’s why, the family says, it’s tragic that Terrance, 18, is now locked up, charged with accidentally killing the toddler while playing with a friend’s .357 Magnum at their Baton Rouge, La., home. He has not yet entered a plea.

“It’s so hard,” said the boys’ mother, Yarnell.

She was crying, but her voice took on an edge as she complained she had not been able to visit her eldest child because the jail is too far away. “I want him to know it’s going to be all right. I know he didn’t do it on purpose,” she said.

Terrance was on probation after pleading guilty to burglary in May, but his mother said he was a “good dude” who had matured since then. His aunt said he didn’t carry a weapon – “We don’t allow guns in the house” – but had been hanging out with “the wrong crowd.”

Terrance’s Facebook page, however, suggests an interest in guns. There’s a photo of a small arsenal laid out on a plaid bedspread, another where he is holding a silver revolver at his side, a third where he appears to be dangling a shotgun from one finger.

East Baton Rouge District Attorney Hillar Moore says he sees pictures like that all the time after a young person is arrested for a violent crime.

“Do you know where your guns are? Because young kids play with guns and bad things happen sometimes,” he said. “I think it’s video games and stuff – no one really dies and everyone wakes up the next morning. There’s a whole culture of kids not knowing it’s real.”

Read Part 1: Death takes no holiday: Tracking gun violence over one long January weekend

Terrance Varise is getting his fill of reality now. He’s being held on charges of negligent homicide, cruelty to a minor and weapons possession along with a probation violation. He was not allowed to attend Travin’s funeral.

“He feels the pain and he’s going to live with this for the rest of his life,” his aunt said.

His mother said she feels like she’s lost two children.

“My father Jesus does things for a reason, but I don’t know what the reason is,” she said. “It’s a hurting feeling. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.”

******

“There are two dead people.”

Those chilling words on a 911 call just after midnight on Jan. 21 were the last that anyone heard retired fire inspector William Liebrich utter. He hung up and then, police believe, shot his wife of 30 years, Colleen, before turning the 12-gauge shotgun on himself.

When cops arrived at the Warwick, R.I., home they found a note on the front door saying it was safe to enter and that the couple’s two sons, Bill, 24, and Jeff, 21, should not be allowed in. There were also letters for the boys, unsigned but typed by William, police say.

Before that, the sons said, it had been just like any other day. When Bill left for soccer practice, his dad told him, “Have fun. Be safe, bud.” Jeff watched TV with his dad before meeting friends.

Family photo

Colleen and William Liebrich, in an undated family photo.

“The thing that was so shocking about the whole thing is that life was moving along as normal. There wasn’t a single red flag, there wasn’t anything to show that anything like this could possibly happen. … It still feels like a nightmare,” said Jeff, an information technology student.

But life hadn’t been easy for Colleen. The once-active soccer and karate mom was mostly bedridden in recent months by a range of ailments: pancreatitis, osteoporosis, schizophrenia. She had suffered a seizure, memory loss, confusion and falls.

Warwick Police Capt. Robert Nelson said her condition was not terminal, but Bill recalled his mother hitting “an all-time low, physically and mentally,” on Christmas.

The brothers believe their parents decided together to end their lives. They said their father had never owned a gun and they assume he bought one to carry out a pact.

“It wasn’t just the fact that, you know, she wasn’t getting better,” Bill said. “It was the fact that she was progressively getting worse.”

The police are continuing their investigation into what they have tentatively ruled a murder-suicide and waiting for a trace on where the shotgun came from.

Bill and Jeff are treasuring the good memories of their parents -- their dad playing secret Santa and giving money to families in need, the couple's love of animals, the launch of their mother's salon business, which she eventually gave up because of her health – while coping with sadness and anger.

“I can see where my dad was coming from and I hate to say it like that because I don’t agree with what he did or how he did it,” said Jeff. “But I know what he was doing and the whole point was to put her out of pain, and he did that and she’s not in pain. So there’s a bittersweetness to it. “

Asked if they felt the need to forgive their father, Jeff said, “Obviously our primary focus is that we don’t have our parents anymore. … And so as far as forgiveness, there’s no one there to forgive.”

*****

Her “baby” was turning 7 and Lydia Bradford wanted it to be a day she would remember. She had ordered the cake and was getting the house ready. Soon, the cousins would start arriving for the party.

Her three daughters, including the birthday girl, were playing in the front of her Cocoa, Fla., house with another kid when a man with a ski mask burst in, police said. The terrified children fled as the intruder stalked to the rear of the small house and opened fire on Bradford, 24, and her mother Equaller, 58.

The young mom was killed and Equaller Bradford, shot in the chest and head, is still clinging to life. The motive is unknown and there have been no arrests, though family members suggest the women may have been victims of mistaken identity.

At Lydia Bradford’s funeral, relatives remembered her as a bubbly, carefree single mother devoted to her kids.

Cocoa Police Dept.

Lydia Bradford, 24, was shot dead by a masked gunman who burst into the Cocoa, Fla., home she shared with her mother on Jan. 21.

“Lydia didn’t sweat the small stuff,” said her aunt, Yvonne Smith. “You could hate her, but she loved you back. She was as pretty on the inside as she was on the outside.”

She supported her kids by working as a private-duty nurse. She had recently moved in with her mother and they were looking for a bigger place. Her weekends were full of cookouts and card games with family.

When her uncle Melvin was feeling low after chemotherapy, Bradford’s smile would cheer him up, Smith said. She chuckled as she remembered her niece’s sweet tooth, how she tucked into the homemade sweet-potato pie, lemon meringue pie, banana pudding and cake at Thanksgiving – then complained she had eaten too much.

Because she was a working mother, Bradford tried to make sure that holidays and birthdays were special for her girls. She was planning a Feb. 7 party at Chuck E. Cheese for all the cousins with January birthdays.

“Instead, we were all at her funeral that day,” Smith said, her voice cracking. “I know things like this happen every day, but it’s just sad that someone don’t care no more for life and took my baby away from her girls.”

She worries in particular for the 7-year-old.

“That was her birthday and now she’ll associate that for the rest of her life with the day her mama was killed,” she said.

******

The chain of events that led to Christopher Best’s death began when a big maple tree fell on the corner of his house in the Detroit suburb of Redford, Mich., in early January.

Best, 61, a computer whiz who had done sound and lights for countless rock-and-roll shows in Motor City, hired an old buddy from the music scene, carpenter Chris O’Brien, to repair the roof.

A few weeks later, on the evening of Jan. 21, Best drove to O’Brien’s Detroit home, with his dog Maxi in tow, to pay him $1,000. It was considered a relatively safe neighborhood, a historic district of Victorian homes, and Best had visited many times.

Photo provided by friend

Chris Best, a Detroit music engineer, was slain on Jan. 21 while delivering money to the home of a friend who had done some construction work for him. Police believe the motive was robbery.

But this time, as Best got out of his car, he was “apparently ambushed” by robbers, police say. The sound of gunfire – O’Brien says police told him it was an AK-47 assault rifle-- shattered the dinnertime quiet on the tree-lined street.

“A dozen shots came into my house,” O’Brien recalled. “They were going by both sides of my head. If I would have taken one more step, my head would have been blown clear off.”

When the shooting stopped, he stepped outside and saw his friend of 30 years lying on his lawn. “It was cold that night,” O’Brien said. “I got down and put my arm under his head. He was gasping for air.”

Best, he said, died in the ambulance. No arrests have been made, but police say the motive was robbery.

An IT worker by day, Best’s passion was music. He played the guitar and keyboard and had a reputation as a reliable sound man in Detroit’s music joints. His obituary photo showed him mugging with Alice Cooper.

“He was a good guy, a pretty wholesome guy,” O’Brien. “He wasn’t into drugs, which is amazing for the rock and roll business. He didn’t even drink anymore.”

Best came from a large family; he was one of nine kids. And for years, the bachelor had been a foster parent, opening his home to young people in crisis and mentoring others, friend Sergio Sanchez said.

“He had a big heart,” Sanchez said. “That’s why it’s so hard to believe they shot him down because if they had given him the chance, I’m sure he would have just given them the money.”

******

It was just a fistfight.

Steven Rosalez, 16, got into a scuffle with an ex-con, Julius Short, 23, as he left a store with his friends in Pittsburg, Calif., his family says. It’s not known what prompted the fisticuffs, but when the fight  was over, the teen and the older man, who was on probation, went their separate ways.

The Rosalez Family

Steven Rosalez, 16, was killed by gunfire on Jan. 21 after an altercation outside a store in Pittsburg, Calif., allegedly by an ex-con he'd fought with earlier in the day.

That could have been the end of it. But according to police, Short wasn’t one to let it go. He got a gun, found Rosalez and shot him in the back and another 16-year-old in the leg, they said. The other boy survived, but Rosalez died.

“It’s devastated the whole family,” his mother, Wynette, said last Wednesday as Short was arraigned on charges of murder, attempted murder and weapons possession. He has not entered a plea.

She said her son was a happy boy growing up, always surrounded by friends and active in sports until he decided to give up football and baseball in the 10th grade. He was “kind of going through a little rough patch” and had run away from home once but had never been in trouble with the police, she said.

He spent most of his free time with his girlfriend of four years and playing Xbox. He had two brothers and a cousin he treated like a third. He was finishing high school in an independent study program and taking classes at a local college.

“He was loved,” she said, crying.

Short has a 2009 conviction for assault with a deadly weapon and he was on probation at the time of the slaying, which made Rosalez’s mother angry.

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“I grew up around guns and nobody did this when I was a kid and now here are these people who are felons and on probation and they get guns,” she said. “It’s not right.”

Also contributing to this story and map for NBC News: Daniel Arkin, Meredith Birkett, John Brecher, Bill Dedman, David Friedman, Kriss Chaumont, Polly DeFrank, Shezad Morani, Lisa Riordan Seville, Jonathan Sweeney and Lisa Wilkins.

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Hey NBC,

I've lived in farm country nearly my whole life. I can identify BS when I smell it. You call this reporting? This is nothing but your bullsh*t, urban-oriented, dis-arm America agenda. Journalism my ass. Immaturity and knowing you have the power to force your agenda is more like it. Grow up. NBC used to be a reputable news organization. Not any more.

- Edge

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Reply#51 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:27 PM EST

You really want to end 'gun violence'? How about a sure fire way to reduce it by over 50% overnight? Interested?

Well here's the secret---END THE DRUG WAR.

Legalize the entire schedule 1 list and eliminate the primary driver for violence.

But it won't happen, care to guess why? Because like the gun control debate the drug war is not about crime or violence it is about CONTROL. It is an agenda pushed by people that want to control others. The supporters of this want more violence and death and crime. Because that way they can point to what they caused and claim that giving them MORE control will fix it.

An individual with a gun is a CITIZEN, an individual without a gun is a serf dependent upon the goodwill of his masters.

The president has asserted that HE has the right to assassinate citizens, kill innocent children and mothers, all without oversight or resistant because they pose a 'threat' IN HIS JUDGEMENT ALONE.

If you don't see what is fundamentally wrong with that then YOU are the problem.

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Reply#52 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:28 PM EST

I just seen that Americans are stupid brain dead idiots,, thanks for showing that..

    #52.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:42 PM EST
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    And one more thing...TO HELL WITH FACEBOOK! I'm sick of having to UN-check the box. Facebook is for fools and self-important swine.

    - Edge

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    Reply#53 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:28 PM EST

    Did somebody 'Unfriend' you today? Don't worry, I'm sure somebody out there "Likes" you. lololol

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    #53.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:34 PM EST

    No one "unfriended" me today because I do not have, nor will I EVER have a Facebook account. I have REAL friends, not make believe friends. Facebook is designed for one thing and that is information gathering. It is for the insecure, immature, self-important and those who are attracted to meaningless things.

    - Edge

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    #53.2 - Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:29 AM EST
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    What about the 50 million children murdered...oh yeah that's right... you liberal media people support abortion. That's OK! No need to publish that

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    Reply#54 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:28 PM EST

    If your kid gets run over by a Dodge truck everybody in the neighborhood should go out buy new Dodge trucks and have a Dodge truck appreciation parade. Go NRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Reply#55 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:29 PM EST

    No, we should ban dodge trucks, right?

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    #55.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:30 PM EST

    The answer is more Dodge trucks on the road fool. NRA all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    #55.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:36 PM EST

    George, careful everyone on the Right side already knows liberals shouldn't be allowed to reproduce and you're just giving them more 'ammo.' Seriously, please don't have children.

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    #55.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:42 PM EST

    Heck I love me some George Bush! I just regret we could not had 4 more years of "W" !!!!!!!!

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    #55.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:44 PM EST

    are there are truck rebates?

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    #55.5 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:46 PM EST
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    Our nation began with civil disobedience---resistance to the unfair measures imposed on the Colonies by the less-than-sane Kng George. Full-scale rebellion broke out after British forces were sent ot disarm the colonists. These soldiers were to confiscate the very military weapons that had been used by colonists to assist in the British conflicts with the French and Indians. The King's men were opposed by citizens, many of whom had been soldiers and officers in the British Colonial militias. Bearing hunting arms, and weapons fully equivalent to those of the soldiers, they successfully opposed regular forces and ended British subjugation.

    In 1919 an amendment to the Constitution banned the production, sale, and consumption of alcohol in the United States. This misguided legislation, heavily influenced by Christian moralism, was a total failure. The primary results were a widespread acceptance of disrespect for the rule of law, and the rise of organized crime. They are still with us.

    In 1946, citizens of Athens, Georgia took up arms against the corrupt county sheriff, who had literally stolen the election, taking ballot boxes to the county jail. Aided by citizens armed with hunting rifles, veterans of the recent war took arms from the local armory and advanced on the jail. Using the same weapons with which they had fought tyranny in Europe and Asia, they laid siege to the jail, regained the ballot boxes, and chased the sheriff out of the county. Similar actions took place across the country, as returning veterans refused to accept corrupt government.

    In the 50's and 60's, people of color began to push back against the institutionalized racism that had denied them their rights. Their generally non-violent struggle was against local and state governments, and the law-enforcement agencies they controlled. In this struggle they found allies in the press, which highlighted their struggles, and the federal government. Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, and Johnson took strong actions to ensure that all U.S. citizens enjoyed the rights and protections guaranteed in our constitution. Still, in some communities, night-rider terrorism only stopped when citizens used armed resistance against the violence that threatened them---violence often led by local law-enforcement officers.

    Today, we see the start of another wave of civil disobedience, one that has its roots in the founding of our nation.

    President Obama and the Federal agencies he controls have launched a campaign to strip U.S. citizens of rights guaranteed under the Constitution. The current focus is on the right to keep and bear arms, a right recognized in the Second Amendment. There are additional concerns about infringement of Fourth Amendment rights under presidential directives and laws passed by Republicans and expanded under this administration. The lineup in this struggle constrasts strongly with that of the Civil Rights movement.

    We see a bloated, overbearing Federal government that no longer responds to the people who elected it, a government that seeks increasing control over the day-to-day lives of its citizens. A mostly uncritical, even fawning, news media, controlled in large part by politically manipulative billionaires, parrots the government line. Big-city politicians, often the product of corrupt political machines, join in the attack.

    Opposing them are The People---ordinary citizens with jobs and homes, law-abiding folks who want to be able to continue to take care of tthmselves. Backing them are many local politicians and law enforcement officers. They know the history of "gun control." They know that in Russia, Germany, Great Britain, Canada, and Australia, registration was followed by bans and confiscation. In Germany, Russia, and other totalitarian states, it led to the deaths of millions. In more "civilized" nations, it has resulted in an increase in violent crime.

    Sheriffs across the country have gone on record, stating in clear language that they will not enforce Federal laws which infringe on Second Amendment rights, and may arrest Federal agents who attempt such enforcement. It is quite clear that millions of citizens will not voluntarily participate in any registration scheme, and will resist any attempt at confiscation. It is quite unlikely that resistance to armed Federal enforcement agents will remain non-violent. Remember that we have millions of veterans, men and women who fought for freedom and rights around the world. Like their grandfathers, they are not likely to accept anything less at home.

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    Reply#56 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:30 PM EST

    Very nice. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

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    #56.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:35 PM EST

    As for anything being effective... does the fact that Americans are buying up every gun... every bullet... everything they can to arm themselves tell anyone ANYTHING?

    I have friends who NEVER wanted a gun... even avoided my study because they were uncomfortable around even my hunting rifle.....in a locked case... who have now bought 3 AR 15s and last I saw got 3 cases of 223 ammo.....

    But we voted for them.......

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    #56.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 PM EST

    Toyhunt: Well put!!!

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    #56.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:38 PM EST

    Thanks, but credit to given to a friend on another forum. Feel free to share,his wish.

      #56.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:42 PM EST
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      Hey, you want to reduce motorcycle deaths? Well sure we could ban them outright, restrict them, require training wheels...or we could just get the prices of gasoline lower since many people get their first ride trying to avoid paying so much for gas. See how that works? Big speeches, passing motorcycle laws, news articles about motorcycles - none of these can hold a candle to reducing motorcycle accidents compared to the effect of lowering the price of gas.

      The same is true with guns. Perhaps if we could provide jobs for these degenerate criminals, they could be at work, maybe leading productive lives instead of shooting people. Oh but that would mean that we would have to have a real, functional government that actually runs the country and realizes the effect the economy has on violence of all kinds.

      Just like motorcycles themselves are not the cause of the problem, guns are not the cause either. It's just that certain politicians get applause from the malignantly stupid if they can appear to be actually doing something immediate even if the real answer is a longer term and less glamorous one (if not one they are actually incapable of handling). It's still the economy...stupid. Unemployment is still too high. Watch and be amazed as gun violence magically decreases if ever unemployment gets below 7% again. I call it "seeing the big picture." Came up with that all by myself. You can quote me on that.

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      Reply#57 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:31 PM EST

      why doesn't the deaths by medical errors make the news..it averages over 400 a day...400 a day ..lives lost that should not have been where is the outcry for those victims...don't claim you want gun control to save lives when 100's a day die that did not have too and no one lifts a finger.. hypocrites...a political agenda and nothing more...how do you people sleep at night?

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      Reply#58 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:31 PM EST

      And one more thing, from this very article...

      “I grew up around guns and nobody did this when I was a kid and now here are these people who are felons and on probation and they get guns,” she said. “It’s not right.”

      How are more gun laws supposed to stop a felon who doesn't care about laws?

      - Edge

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      Reply#59 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:32 PM EST

      Hey NBC News.... how 'bout putting a "face" to people like me and my family. My 19yr old nephew was killed by a drunk driver... who was out on bond.... for drunk driving.....after he had his license suspended in the fiirst place! Oh...... did I say the driver was 18? I see an agenda and am now avoiding any advertisiers I see on your site... and have told them so as I see them..........

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      Reply#60 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:33 PM EST

      Boy I mean this must be serious the MSNBC arm of the Democrat party is P-U-S-H-I-N-G Gun Control to the limit.

      Fact

      GUN FREE England has a higher Murder rate per capita than the US.

      Using personal tragedies in order to guilt people into somehow feeling they should relinquish civil liberties is equal to when Right to Lifers stand outside abortion clinics showing pics of aborted children to women entering the clinic.

      It is tasteless

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      Reply#61 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:33 PM EST

      Look through history at the great minds that believed in armed citizens.

      Next look at those who did not believe in armed citizens.

      Now ask yourself which list would you like to be in!

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      Reply#62 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:34 PM EST

      Yes....Hitler (who took guns away), or Jefferson (who encouraged gun ownership)? Hmmmmmm

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      #62.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:38 PM EST

      Thomas Jefferson believed in an armed citizenry because he wanted citizens to be able to defend themselves from the federal government, and overthrow it if necessary. Jefferson believed in a revolution every 20 years; he knew how power corrupts and is unlikely to remove itself. The Republic of the United States of America's government was set up with checks and balances: Legislature (2 houses), Executive and Judicial. The final check and balance is the armed, independent citizens of this great nation, guaranteed to have the right to bear arms by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, a unique document in the history of the world.

      But we can't prevail against the finest army on earth!! If push comes to shove, more than half that force will be with the citizenry. The Viet Cong, Somalis, Iraqis and Afghanis didn't stand a chance either. I would not suggest that Americans would emulate the 1939 Polish cavalry, in their resplendent uniforms, charging headlong with drawn sabers into the mechanized Nazi blitzkrieg. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. At least the founders tried to make sure we didn't have to revolt with sticks and stones.

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      #62.2 - Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:03 AM EST
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      Why don't they ever talk about the one's killed with knives or other items???????

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      Reply#63 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:34 PM EST

      to medic - banning all knives is not part of the Liberal agenda..........yet !

      Their goal now is to repeal the 2nd Amendment in spite of what they say. All these "stories" are nothing more than changing America to more faggot Liberal thinking.

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      #63.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 PM EST
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      What GUN debate? It was always dead on arrival. This is just NBC and other DEM controlled media WAR on guns. Maybe if they REPORT every single shooting every day, it will stick right?

      While NBC and the DEMS deaminize guns, a wholesale spree of buying around the nation continues on, with people spending every single last penny they have to get a gun, all of the stores are basically dry and or out of weapons and ammo.

      6 Million NEW guns are on the streets due to this action since November alone. The DEMS, and ANTI GUN freaks are fueling the biggest gun sale in history.

      In the END no gun ban will happen, and now America has 6 million new weapons to deal with, a lot of which are in the hands of folks who never intended to own a weapon.

      Way to go DEMS, your intention of drying up the guns pool is definitely backfiring on you each and every day.

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      Reply#64 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:35 PM EST

      They are so smart they become idiots. Great post, but there is no ammo or guns left either.

      • 1 vote
      #64.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:39 PM EST
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      This isn't journalism, it's biased CRAP! Another example of MSN pushing it's liberal slant, no matter what the truth is......

      • 5 votes
      Reply#65 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:35 PM EST

      Liberal slant? What slant, dhp. I know you watch a lot of Faux Noise and can't recognize a set of facts, but this story is reporting them whether you andyour ilk like it or not. Put it back in the holster, pardner.

        #65.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 PM EST
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        Well, certainly no one can accuse the Obama Network/MSN/NBC of not being persistent. In the interest of 'we must do something' it looks like Obama and his minions are hell bent on attacking lawful gun owners. Obama knows it won't do any good, but at least he can say he did 'something.' Why don't we try 'something' that goes after the criminals who commit the crimes? Seems obvious, just not sure why Obama & company won't do it?

        • 3 votes
        Reply#66 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:35 PM EST

        @we're: The truth hurts, doesn't it pal. Reporting on these gun-related killings takes the incident out of being one statistic and gives it some face. Yes, the truth hurts and it's going to keep biting you in the ass until you finally wake up to reality that we've got a gun problem in America!

          #66.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:39 PM EST

          Obama is trying to make it a Mexican problem by selling the cartels assault rifles. Obama is the worlds best gun/ammunition salesman the world has ever seen

          • 1 vote
          #66.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:49 PM EST

          Jack, I think it's more of a people problem. I'm sure we'll never agree on politics and so what, but seriously, what's wrong with dealing very swiftly and severely with the criminal element? Let's take care of the real problem.

          • 1 vote
          #66.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:53 PM EST
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          I find the concentration of homocides in the southern states where gun laws are the most relaxed to be something other than coincidental. All those blue-jeand Billy Bobs, Bobby Rays, and Milly Sue types killing one another. Over what? Moonshine might be one reason. Shee-bang!

            Reply#67 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:35 PM EST

            Let me guess...you don't get out of the city much.

            • 3 votes
            #67.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:39 PM EST

            So Jack I guess Chicago and DC are in 'your' southern states?

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            #67.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:47 PM EST

            he meant south chicago and south dc

              #67.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:50 PM EST

              Jack, they wear blue jeans in the north now too and I've noticed they drink there as well. However, it's refreshing to see a liberal starting to try and think, you're still off but don't give up.

              • 1 vote
              #67.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:59 PM EST

              Washington state has some of the most relaxed gun laws of them all, don't see anything happening there do you? Open carry, concealed carry, silencers, etc, all legal in Washington.

              You can't draw conclusions on a weekend or a 2 day sample. Sorry.

              • 2 votes
              #67.5 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:02 PM EST
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              How about some pics - of those who have survived abortion - in memory of those who were successfully aborted - as an option - not a life or death or rape situation

              Lives - cut short - by choice

              • 3 votes
              Reply#68 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:36 PM EST

              MSNBC is looking like the propaganda office for left wing radicals. Keep pushing till you loose all your phony support.No wonder Fox has you beat.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#69 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 PM EST

              I hope NBC realizes that saturating the board with these gun stories has reached the point where they are no longer relevant.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#70 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 PM EST

              I wonder if Michelle Obama is going to the funeral of these people or invite their mother to the State of the Union address. I doubt it

                Reply#71 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:37 PM EST

                They are playing up this deception more each day,, Bad guns,, we need to stop teaching those guns how to kill. Bunch of one sided idiots playing this all up,,BAD GUNS,, maybe we should send guns to see a doctor..LMAO

                • 4 votes
                Reply#72 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:38 PM EST

                Chucky, remember, it's not guns that kill people but rather, PEOPLE WITH GUNS WHO KILL PEOPLE. Duh!

                  #72.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:40 PM EST

                  Ye but all these articles say Gun violence, forget that people are behind them,, and truly today,, the gun is smarter than the people.. We need to stop teaching guns how to kill.. daaaa..LOL

                    #72.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:46 PM EST

                    Chucky, I'm not surprised that you didn't understand my statement that people with guns kill people. I realize it's a tad subtle.

                      #72.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:49 PM EST

                      and most of those people that kill people with guns are criminals who the liberals would rather have on the street then in jail

                      • 2 votes
                      #72.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:51 PM EST

                      Seriously Jack, what's wrong with addressing the real problem, the criminal? Even if the criminal has no gun, I still want to take care of THAT problem because it's a REAL problem.

                        #72.5 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:09 PM EST
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                        Now all the liberal press is joining the Obama-trons of Shandy hook. Their new motto is "BAD GUN BAD GUN". For the passed 40 years all the liberal social workers and liberal arts lawyers were romancing the liberal press about the poor criminals and how life was not fair for them over took the criminal justice system so it became a revolving door for gangstas to the point that there is so many of them out there killing because the system has bread armies of them steeling guns and dope peddling and killing for the sport of it. The America you know is going to become a cinder pit of carnage because the good people in America will some day rise up and start waring civil war with these gangs and taking they will never give up their guns so if you preach gun control as a political agenda you better be prepared to move these criminals to and another country.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#73 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:39 PM EST

                        NBC News is nothing but a bunch of butt sniffing lapdogs for those who would destroy our 2nd Amendment.

                        Not even a pretense of fairness.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#74 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:39 PM EST

                        Sure, you betcha. We're all out to destroy the 2nd Amendment by suggesting universal registration and possible making illeagal ONE of over 600 types of guns. Shiver in your boots, oldtimer.

                          #74.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:42 PM EST

                          You realize the democracts want confiscation right Jack?

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                          #74.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:43 PM EST

                          Sure, all of we progressives are demanding that law enforcement comes into your homes and takes away every little killer toy you've got in your closet, under your bed, hanging up in your 4x4, and among your kids toys. Boo!

                          Btw, can you cite the source of your claim? Anything other than Fzux Moise will do.

                            #74.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:47 PM EST

                            hey jack which one gun does feinstein want to ban?

                            • 3 votes
                            #74.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:53 PM EST

                            Under the new assault weapons ban, more than 150 gun models would become illegal to manufacture, sell or transfer.

                            • 3 votes
                            #74.5 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:59 PM EST

                            Sure Jack. How about these regarding the NY Safe Act that was just passed last month:

                            http://www.scribd.com/doc/121630615/McLaughlin-1-22-13-Rejected-Democrat-Proposals
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KfI90PaFb8k

                            Any liberal that believes the democrats do not want (not that they'll get it) confiscation of arms is living in fantasy land.

                            • 2 votes
                            #74.6 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:17 PM EST
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                            Tracy Connor, Matthew DeLuca and Miranda Leitsinger:

                            Bill Dedman just reported this same story yesterday: http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/10/16912259-death-takes-no-holiday-tracking-gun-violence-over-one-long-january-weekend?threadId=3663965&commentId=74103518#c74103518

                            What, the democratic party has mandated you report on gun violence stories 7 days a week now!?!? Christ, give it a rest!!

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#75 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:39 PM EST

                            AQ, what do I hear? You don't like putting a face to gun killings? You'd rather bury them in a pile of stats so you don't have to think about them, right? Get used to this because for once in a long while the press (not just MSNBC) is going to cover this stuff until you pro-gun activitist wake up to reality.

                            • 1 vote
                            #75.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:44 PM EST

                            What wake up to the fact that guns have no brains, people do, well that is the question of the day. Are guns smarter than people,,, we seem to blame the guns more in this government deception than the people behind them. Then you want to attack good gun owners who in the last year, have not been in any shootings that killed. figure that one out and go take your gun to a phychristrist.. LMAO

                            • 2 votes
                            #75.2 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:51 PM EST

                            hey jack why not put a face to the people who pulled the trigger and post their criminal histories

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                            #75.3 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:55 PM EST

                            Jack,

                            When either:

                            -NBC puts faces to drunk driving death statistics on a daily basis or

                            -All criminals are disarmed

                            ...THEN we'll have a discussion point.

                            • 1 vote
                            #75.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:17 PM EST

                            Why do Obama and the liberals put more value on protecting the criminal than the victim?

                            • 1 vote
                            #75.5 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:19 PM EST
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