I think a private sale is like when Bubba sells to Junior... ya know?

47% of americans are gun owners, nearly all of us are for universal background checks and against bans, so stop with the anti gun nut BS that the NRA, which is like 2% of us, represents us.

the current laws could have allowed this guy to acquire all of that easily.... and THATs the problem.... psychos can buy guns in the US

My husband gave his brother, a corrections officer, a semi automatic rifle as a gift here in California. They had to go change the registration on it, according to California law. Why doesn't the rest of the country follow these simple rules?

All transactions should have a background check even the private ones. A simple look up on a govt website should be required, where even private citizens should check before selling a weapon. If skipped and the weapon is used in a crime and the seller can be proved then they should be prosecuted as well.

When there are so many, many guns floating around this country , it is almost impossible to not find a gun if you want one . Legally or illegally, sane, insane, violent or not, responsible or irresponsible, there are three hundred million guns in this country. Look! There's one in the bushes!

Until we can struggle free of the grasp of the gun manufacturers and their minions in the NRA this is never going to change. Pro gun or anti gun we don't @!$%#ing need 300 million of them!!

I think that the larger problem here is that there are still hate groups. And also, if convicted of murder, why only 13 years in jail?

I think that all gun sales should be required to go through a registered dealer or broker who is licensed to sell by the federal government. If anyone sells or gives a gun without going through the broker, then they can be charged and risk losing their own ability to own guns. If the person they sell, give or loan a gun to commits a crime or is caught before they commit a crime like this guy was, then they go to jail too, as an accessory. We have to stop the loopholes.

If you give a car as a gift, or sell it, you are required to go change the registration at motor vehicle. Why not guns?

Ayn Rand applied for, and then got Medicare, when she got cancer in her old age. The old, disgusting witch sold out her soul, completely. Republicans are disgusting and worthless old clowns. Who is Frank Galt? He is a lousy government mooch, apparently.

How about this?

A gun needs to be registered to an owner, period. If you want to transfer a gun to a new owner, the transfer process, online or in person, would include a background check. No background check, no transfer. (There are ways to make sure that this process is not subverted.)

If a gun is used in the commission of a crime, the registered owner is responsible before the fact even if the gun is reported stolen. (This would indicate that the gun owner didn't lock up the weapon securely enough.)

The goal is to force gun owners to be responsible in the handling of their weapons.

Finally, any unregistered gun that is recovered in any fashion is to be destroyed. If the weapon was recovered from an individual, they do jail time even if no other crime was committed. Give a grace period of, say, six months for this to kick in to make it possible for responsible gun owners to register vintage and collector pieces.

LMAO..who they think they are going after..rednecks?

They be history if they tried!

I did not see anything in gthe article about the guy stalking a Detroit politician. Were they just making that up to sensationalize the story more that the Neo-nazi mystery mention.

I guess the writers would not have gotten as much splash if they had just toold the real story -that an ex con got busted with some weapons, yea, another big time story that they can follow up with on for the newtown maassacre blqh, blah, blah. Sorry but you wildly liberal reporters are just getting way to obvious.

Right CZARBobb. The fact that this nut job had detailed information about black and Jewish leaders in the community, including where they lived, worked, etc., doesn't mean anything does it?

You probably think people like Schmidt are "real Americans", don't you?

"Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid." John Wayne

Lets start by saying the man shouldnt have had guns being a felon.

How convienent 1 guy, 1 guy with no obvious plot in another attempt to demonize legal gun owners. Boy this adminstration is desprate to ban guns. Right-wing Neo-nazis are overrunning the country and they have guns. Lets get back to reality folks. The guy has a list . Well the democrats have lists of people they target for elimination. Same old playbook lets dig up one kook and make it look like they have a big secret army across America that threatens us all. Gimme a break. Ten guys dressed in green running around in the woods playing Army isnt going to be able to overthrow America. Lets get real and start calling the adminstration out on this bogus stuff. How come this kind of stuff happens when Eric Holder is around? How come he still has a job. He and the president approve gun running to Mexico (a tier 1 investigation that crosses international borders isnt going to happen without the highest approval) needs white house approval which kills many many Mexicans and a couple of American law enforcement but thats ok? Folks let start looking at the man behind the curtain and manipulation of media by the government.

I think that the larger problem here is that there are still hate groups.

The media would lead you to believe that, wouldn't they? Yet the vast majority of gun homicides in this country are by black and hispanic street gangs and blacks murder whites at a rate of about 20 times the reverse. Sure, this guy is an idiot, but guys like him are a tiny dot on the gun violence landscape in this country, and some of them wouldn't even exist if it weren't for these facts that nobody is doing anything about. When whites no longer have to worry that their children will be shot if they allow blacks and metizos into their neighborhoods, including by blacks and mestizos who simply hate whites, you might see fewer white separatists.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chicago-grim-milestone-500-murders-2012-article-1.1229420

http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Measuring-the-Extent-of-Gang-Problems

In most western states you can buy any weapon you want without a permit at a gun show..law of the land there! $$$ talks

Guys, another bigger picture is being missed here. I certainly don't know the guy in the picture. His notebook with apparent surveillance of potential targets, if true, is certainly VERY CREEPY. There is no defense or justification for this predatory behavior. This is not a dude I'd want walking around my neighborhood.

As I've stated before, I've had bosses, subordinates and colleagues of just about any racial or ethnic demographic you can come up with. I have neighbors from Pakistan, the Phillipines, and the inner city. Our community does just fine. I'm good with that.

I guess my point would be, our society, still majority white, has many types of people in it. Not all of us want to be ruled by an urban coalition of people who do not see the world the same way we do. The harder the agendas of Saul Alinsky and Jeremiah Wright get pushed, the harder some folks will push back. I do not own any weapons, nor do I particularly want any at this point. But I do understand the frustration of many who feel increasingly beseiged. Many of us feel our country, where our flag and traditions are honored, is being eroded or flat-out stolen by those whose narrative seems like an alternate reality from what we grew up with. The election victory engineered by Axelrod and his halleluiah chorus in the NYC and DC-based news media seems a fraud and a sham foisted upon us by those who are expert in manipulating the gullible to their own ends.

Beware of those who feel a race war is necessary, or that "Organize for Action" (an amazingly tax-exempt partisan political organization) is somehow a legitimate way to wipe out any remaining opposition to the Marxist subjugation of America. The Left is better at grass-roots organization, but the harder they push, the harder others will push back. I DON'T want the country I love and have defended for 22 years to look like Northern Ireland during "The Troubles" of a previous decade. DON'T go there, none of us, of any ethnicity or political stripe, will enjoy the result...

You are absolutely correct with your statements. It is the left's final goal to eliminate any competition to their ability to "govern" without limits. That is why you hear so many libs calling the Constitution a "living document" that they can change at a whim, and not a Constitutional Convention. Just remember the old saying about how you boil a frog: If you put the frog in boiling water, he hops right out! But, if you put the frog in cool water and then let it heat up slowly you have lunch! A few people in this country are beginning to "hop out" of our current political environment. Some, like this fool, are being even more extreme than the liberals controlling our descent into socialism!

BTW, Jim, I just want to remind you that the true Nazis were strident, nationalistic, SOCIALISTS! They were extreme LEFT wing, not right wing! Please get your associations properly stated!

Duly noted Dan. Most in our country will call them right-wing though. I dont see any difference between them and the progressives. Your statements on abortion are correct. I m not one to go crazy over abortion issues but the progressives who constantly cry about "the children" love throwing them in a meat grinder to the tune of over 1 million a year but no says diddly about that. Margaret Sanger a huge progressive who hated african americans started planned parenthood so they could eliminate more african americans. Nobody even african americans talk about how thier race is being destoyed by this. Sad state for our country.

Neo-Nazis are the biggest sissies there is....we see them come here for basic training disguised as good ol boys...they never last a couple of days of BUDS training!

Talk is cheap boys

You are right! I just wish that more African-Americans knew that the person who started Planned Parenthood was a believer in eugenics and also wanted blacks to be sterilized in order to keep them from reproducing! She also was a believer in easy access to abortion so that the black people would "self-euthanize" their race. Disgusting people these libs, aren't they?!

No, Ha, ha, ha, their Progressives. If it wasn't for liberals they would still be burning witches at the stake. i read that on another newsvine. Their only looking out for the good of you. Since you don't know what is right for you. Oh by the way you have to register that thing, but get out of my way because i have a pregancy i don't want. It's so much easier to flush it down the doctors toilet and the Govt. pays for it. I all ready got a house full of money making babies. USA it's just so nice, to bad they have that NRA. Rip me a new one!!!

Nazis are fascists. They want control of the media, of religion, of businesses--fascists want control of everything. They strive to eliminate dissenting views through censorship.

Nazis hate socialists because they challenge the power that is tightly held by plutocrats in fascist society. Fascists are the extreme right--hence Iran, and war-time Italy, Germany, Austria.

Contrary to what some of you are saying, the left isn't trying to control everything--we're trying to keep people safe from nazis. These are real people and they are as bad as the terrorists, you know? Terrorists weren't imagined by the media, and neither was this guy.

Background checks, reasonable limits on what kinds of guns you can buy. If these initiatives get adopted, everyone will still be allowed to buy guns. Unless you're a dangerous neo-nazi ex-convict.

If every gun was required to be registered then it would be easy to say where the crazies and felons obtained them from. Guns not registered that are confiscated should be destroyed and civil or criminal penalties to follow.

We require cars to be registered we should require guns to be registered, and all gun sales including those through gun shows and individual sales should require a background check.

Do not ban the type of gun being purchased by law abiding citizens but put the responsibility of gun ownership directly on the gun owner, but do not say what type of guns they may own. They just have to be registered and the sale or transfer of ownership should have a paper trail and background check.

@Cory1980 - Agreed...it appears that one of the most dangerous hate groups in the country are the 2nd amendment "foamers"....as in foaming at the mouth....

Jeez - I'm sick of these guys.....I swear, these guys just can't wait to pull their guns out and blast away at some mexicans/black/jew.... POS is right.....

Strato You really believe that stuff about left commies/progressives etc. You better read up on your presidents influeneces like Saul Alinsky,Cass Sunstein, Edward Bernase, also look into the Delphi Technique and come back and tell me they dont want to control everything. Progressives a 100 yrs ago were run out of town and to change thier name to liberal, that became a cancer now thier back to progressive. After our king is done damaging the country in another few years progressives will go back into hiding because the train is building up steam to pick them up. People are tiring off them and their efforts to control everything.

oldhamletman, 47% of the nation are gun owners? Ha Ha. I'm sure you and your NRA freak brethren would like to believe that, but it is more like 31%. And unlike you Second Amendment wackos I can actually cite my sources: http://www.gallup.com/poll/20098/gun-ownership-use-america.aspx , http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining . I know you that you gun-rights nutjobs like to believe you are in the majority, but the numbers do not lie. As the late, great Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." Also, if you go on to read CNN article (or you may have to get someone to read it to you) it says that 65% of the guns are owned by 20% of the population. A small number of funny-farm candidates own the vast majority of the weapons. If you own a gun, you are not mainstream; you are on the fringe. In fact, you ARE the fringe.

Once again guys, Hitler's party was called The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP). The NAZIs and Communists were COMPETITORS for the same totalitarian power they both sought. A linear spectrum from Fascist to Communist doesn't really capture what's going on here. It may have even been a propaganda ploy by either side to distance themselves from what is essentially the flip-side of the same coin--coercive totalitarian government power "in the name of the people" or "for the good of the people..."

Prez O's campaign slogan "Forward"? Anyone remember Rachel Maddow lamenting on MSNBC over the ethics of yanking the Wikipedia article on the German Socialist publications whose propaganda
mastheads had the party slogan of "Vorwarts!" or Forward? I got a copy of it before the Leftist propagandist editors of Wikipedia-land took it down. Gotta hide the truth, because the truth leads back to the Marxist German Socialist origins of the current leadership of the Demmunist party. Socialism vs. Fascism is a false dichotomy.

Never stop questioning, never accept "the party line" from anyone...

Got aspirin

The hate is the largest problem here. I have a hard time understanding the mindset of people like this. I have been sent links of how blacks and Latinos are to blame for the majority of the violence. I live in a city where there is a diverse cultural setting, and have never had an issue. My in laws are Jewish, no big deal. My daughter's friends are of every race I know of, no problem. We have killer parties, everyone has a good time. I do not live in a "nice" area. My family bothers no one, so no one bothers us. Hate groups? Racism? Get over it. There are hundreds of different nations in this world, why would anyone expect everyone to be the same? Just sayin...

A murderer, assaulted 2 others as well - "who was released on parole in 2003"... why was this violent criminal, a murderer, out on parole in the first place? Apparently unsupervised parole. Makes no sense, I hope he'll be back behind bars for good this time.

Exasperated....#1.16..... it is you and people like you why there is such hate and killings and destruction in our society. Your speil suggesting that blacks and other minorities as being more violent and perpetuating this violence against white people in particular thus killing more white people than whites killing blacks/minorities is telling...

What did black people, hispanics, hispanic street gang members or any other of the mirad minority groups/people of colour that you and nuts like you like to use as the bogieman, to stir up fear and to terrorize your fellow white citizen into 1. buying more guns, 2. push back against a much needed national registry of all guns, 3. push back against sensible gun control laws at the state and federal level 4. and the various other tatic you folks use to sell more weapons and stir up hate, or 5. perhaps as a means of trying to start some big civil unrest in our society, have to do with the killing/massacre of all those non minority children and teachers in that Sandy Hook school, or the killings of all those cinema goers in Aurora or the attendees at that political/ townmall meet and chat with elected leader Kathy Giffords?

And that is only referencing a few of the newer more recent mass shootings in our society, as one could mention all the various suicides using a gun, in home gun violence, unsecured weapons discharging killing children, or children killing children playing with loaded guns, or carrying a gun to school as protection, or the killing of children playing in parks and other public places or watching tv at home to be killed by a stray bullet through the wall from outside the child's residence.... and on and on and on.... just so more guns can be trafficked and sold.

It is all about profit/money and even about some people who do not want a multi racial civil society and some who are antigovt, and would rather like to do whatever they please and the like thus start the violence, pushing anti minorities propaganda in an attempt to 'whiten' the USA.. Isn't that also the reason why so many guns are pushed into minority neighborhoods in the attempt at these minorities 'culling' themselves, thus decreasing their numbers so they will not be the majority in say 2020? Just saying...

Peace to all..... stop the violence..... bring our soldiers home...... give our vets all the help and care they need/require to be whole again.

Schimdt is probably working for the FBI and they threw in the Neo Nazi stuff for flavor...

If you think that ANY REGISTERING is going to end it all, THEN just you wise people tell me how the hell are we going to register the transfer paperwork for the gang bangers, and stolen property? OH YOU ARE SO VERY SMART, aren't you. YOU FAIL TO REALIZE, YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET A CRIMINAL TO REGISTER HIS GUNS!!! WAKE UP, DUMB ASSES! Yes, that is a direct assault on your intelligence brought on by your self, due to lack of COMMON SENSE! I believe WallMart is having a sale on COMMON SENSE in isle 43. HURRY, before they run out.

cory1980: I tend to disagree with your statement, "I think that the larger problem here is that there are still hate groups." I'm more inclined to believe the reason racism continues to hold on is because we keep talking about it and, in doing so, giving it credence. Give those who'd push such an agenda a stage and they'll perform. Take it away, and they'll wither into the past. It makes perfect sense to argue the merits, or to disagree with the ideas and beliefs of others, even their religious beliefs. It makes no sense whatsoever to argue the merits of a person's skin or hair color. It is what it is, and always will be.

Vince-545056: You're citing the Gallop Poll and CNN as your references of absolute fact? Have you ever participated in the Gallop Poll, or been contacted by CNN for your views? I never have, nor has anyone else I know, nor has the vast majority of the population. If you want to get educated, participate in life and pay attention... if you want to stay ignorant and controlled... keep reading the news. But don't pass off the verbiage of a corporate talking head as absolute fact. There are always two sides to a story, and they are only going to give you theirs.

Got Aspirin?: No As-burn, you're wrong, and the 2nd Amendment is not a "POS right" as you put it. It's a right that keeps us safe from the very wolves in society that you and others continue to deny the existence of. You defend your right to life and liberty your way... let us do it our way. We've no intention of drawing our guns on anyone, unless of course someone decides to kill us for what's in our pockets because they can. We've also no intention of sitting in a movie theater waiting to be the next victim as 12 Colorado residents did. You want something to think about, think about this...

- It took 2 minutes for the gunman in Colorado to kill 12 defenseless people who never had a chance.

- The average response time of the police is 6 minutes and rising.

- One armed citizen could have drawn, aimed, and fired his weapon in 5 seconds or less.

Do the math... how many lives could have been saved if just one of those victims, or anyone else in the theater had been armed? Don't forget, our current administration fought tooth and nail to pass into law its right to kill American citizens, here and abroad, without trial, and for nothing more than speaking out against government policies. In every genocide that has ever occurred, these same types of laws were passed to excuse government activities, and disarmament of the citizens followed... and few ever saw it coming. If you think the leaders and corporate minions controlling our government would not kill you to preserve their positions of power, you'd better think again. They've too much to lose, and people like you and I are just insignificant specks.

Carolina Kid: By the way Kid... guess how the governments of Germany, Turkey, China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia, etc., etc., knew where to go to disarm the citizens just before they initiated mass killings (genocide)? Yup... you guessed it... gun registration. Background checks are one thing... registration of every fire arm is another.

stratocumulus: Get a grip and pay attention to what's going on... all of the major news sources in this country are controlled by three corporations... just three. As far as the left trying to keep us all safe from Nazis... what the hell are you taking about? For your information, Hitler was a Socialist... Nazi is only the name of the Socialist Party he belonged to. And terrorists? You do realize we (the US) have backed our own terrorist organizations in the past and still do, particularly in the Middle East, and we were a contributing factor to the rise of others like the al Qaeda whose well known leader actually worked for the CIA prior to being added to their "Hit List?" Please... get informed, not indoctrinated.

sweaver209: I see you've been to one of the progressive schools.

Mr. Binkie: Ban manufacturers from producing guns for the public. End of story.

You'd be a hit in the countries that initiated genocide against its citizens, and no doubt a Nazi Party favorite in Germany had you lived through that time. By the way, did you know that the U.S. Government is the largest exporter ot weapons to nations that use these same systems to control their populace... i.e., dictators doing our bidding at the expense of their own people? Now that the U.S. government has put into the law the right to kill U.S. citizens without trial, get what?

Is it just me or does the guy in the pic look like a 1970s' beefed up and pissed off Meatloaf?

This is such BS! We live in Texas and have been to many gun shows and bought many guns and we have NEVER purchased a gun without a background check!!!! I know that it might now be a LAW at the time to have a background check at a gun show but most gun sellers at gun shows are very thoughtfull people and would not sell a gun to someone they didn't check first. Most convicts would not even TRY to get one at a gun show, they would by one on the street from other bad guys. Some people may have their girlfriend buy them one if she has a clean background but that is the only way they would get one from any gunshow I have been too. Why is someone out of prison 13 years after killing someone? I have heard of people being let out after 10! I think someone is going at this from the wrong angle! If you kept all the bad guys in jail and force all the mentally ill people to take meds or go to a phyc ward we would see less deaths by far!

Uh. No. Nazis were not communists. They were fascists.

This is all just wikipedia, but I knew beforehand that Hitler considered communism to be as dangerous as Jews. In particular, Hitler hated the public exchange of ideas and he particularly despised intellectuals. He organized book burnings whenever he could. Remind us of the Tea Party, much? There are tons of quotes about how much Hitler hated communism...not that I like it, I'm just saying:

leftist political dissidents were the first to be targeted by the Nazi regime, long before racial discrimination was applied, on the basis of the Reichstag Fire Decree.

“
All other restraints on police action imposed by Reich and Land law [are abolished] so far as this is necessary [...] to achieve the purpose of the decree. [...] In keeping with the purpose and aim of the decree the additional measures [...] will be directed against the Communists in the first instance, but then also against those who co-operate with the Communists and who support or encourage their criminal aims. [...] I would point out that any necessary measures against members or establishments of other than Communist, anarchist or Social Democratic parties can only be justified by the decree [...] if they serve to help the defense against such Communist activities in the widest sense.
”

— Hermann Göring, March 3, 1933 directive to the Prussian police authorities

Headlines are a lie to. Neo-Nazi. Then the story says alleged neo-Nazi sympathizer. Sounds like he was gonna try and clean detroit up some. Under these new terror laws bull@!$%# everybody in this country could be considered one for some stupid reason. Like Russel Means said. We are all living on one big reservation now. Most people just don't realize it. The U S i grew up in is gone and by the time my children are my age the U S they grew up in will be gone. It truly is sad that most people who were born in this country can't even see what is happening or what is coming at them like a run away train. I don't know how the U S got so many people on the politically correct bullcrap trail but they have managed. The majority of people can't see three feet in front of them. Slam this all you want, i've said nothing that's not rue. Where's all the jobs in this country? Oh yeah,over seas. Where are the new jobs being created? Oh yeah,over seas. Who's robbing you and your family on a daily basis? Oh yeah,big oil. Hows imigration going? Oh yeah,Mexican border wide open and still marching across on a daily basis or nightly i should say. Keep living in la la land. It's gonna catch up to you.

I'm pretty sure the closest thing the US has had to a Nazi was the intrepid Mr. McCarthy.

Wait. He was Republican? Oh, that makes sense. It goes completely in line with them calling people communists when they don't even know what the hell communism is.

FBI agents recently warned community leaders in the Detroit area about a possible racist plot by a convicted felon and alleged neo-Nazi sympathizer who was arrested after he was discovered with an arsenal of assault rifles and other weapons, a law enforcement official tells NBC News.

In other words the system worked.

so how do you check for illegal sales? not so bright are you? i bet you're anti-gun and believe that all guns are obtain legally.

banning guns only mean banning it from people able to purchase them and registering them legally.

Stratocumulus says, Contrary to what some of you are saying, the left isn't trying to control everything--we're trying to keep people safe from nazis. Somehow, hearing you say that hardly makes me feel any "safer." Please enlighten me, how abortion-on-demand, ObamaCare, amnesty for illegal aliens, and, last but not least, allowing the targeting of U.S. citizens for elimination by drone aircraft, is keeping me any safer from "nazis" than I would have been absent these policies? Inasmuch as a central tenet of Hitler's Nazionalsocialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei was the absolute subjugation of the individual to the state, same as Stalin's Soyuz Sovietskich Sozialisticheskich Respublich ("CCCP"), it matters little to me the truly minor details of which one massacred Jews, which one massacred Ukrainians, and which one is claimed to have "started out with good intentions" that paved a road to hell. Three words describe them both, and I quote: "STINK, STANK, STUNK!". The Democrat party in general and the Obama Administration in particular are devoted to the progressive subjugation of the individual to the will of a socialist state, and you'll pardon me if I feel less "safe" than I ever have from totalitarianism, whatever silly nickname you may choose to describe it in any of its various forms.

Enjoy your grape-flavored KoolAid, Stratocumulus.

Yes, let us make it more difficult for people to own a gun, that way it will be tougher for criminals as well... since they will need to go through all of the rigorous processes such as background checks, interviews, piss tests, reading tests, eye tests etc.

That will surely thwart them.

@CEW -

1) - What the hell does ass burn mean?

2) - I didn't say the the second amendment was a "POS right".

3) -As for "one armed citizen pulling out his gun".... please see these two videos to get an idea of what really happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLN6_s66wTg

4) - "Don't forget, our current administration fought tooth and nail to pass into law its right to kill American citizens, here and abroad, without trial, and for nothing more than speaking out against government policies."

If you really think this is true then you should probably buy some more guns....although I don't really think you stand a chance anyway....

if only 6 states restrict something like universal background checks, its probably not gonna end up so well when you infringe on the 2nd ammendment with the freedom the other 44 states have. But we can see how that too will end up.

"“There’s no documentation required for private transactions. So whatever occurs in that zone is invisible to us,” Charles Houser, the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms National Tracing Center in Martinsburg, W.Va., said in an interview.

Federal law does not require such checks for private sales or gun show purchases. Seventeen states have mandated them for handgun purchases at gun shows, though Ohio is not among them. Only six states require background checks for all firearms purchases.

A new study by the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research has found that 80 percent of those convicted of gun crimes acquire their weapons through private sales – making it virtually impossible for federal agents to trace where they come from or who is providing them."

So it looks like a big step to reducing the amount of guns "The Bad Guys" have is to have all gun sales require background checks in all states. Registering all guns would be a help also.

Stop arming the "Bad Guys"

Once again they don't print the real deal. You do have to go through a background check at a gun show. You can't just walk-in and buy a gun. You have to have a background check, I am tired of the media flaming the fire on this issue.

First off let's get some things clear. There is no Federal registration of guns except for fully automatic weapons and special destructive devices like grenade launchers and anti-tank guns. In fact there is a law against having such a registration for "ordinary" guns. This is specifically to prevent having a master list of gun owners. Time and time again, this is directly linked to confiscation. The government has no legitimate purpose in knowing who legally owns guns.

When someone legally buys a gun through a dealer and goes through a background check. That gun is not registered. The sale is recorded, including the type of gun and its serial number, but it isn't registered. The records belong to the gun dealer. He is required to maintain the records for 20 years. The manufacturers or importers must likewise keep records of which dealers they sell the guns to originally. Again, these are not registrations or government records. You may see this as a minor point, but it isn't. The reason is specifically to keep the records out of the government's hands. It puts the dealers between the purchaser and the government deliberately. It has been this way for a long time and it is all about preventing the formation of gun owner lists.

If a gun is recovered associated with crime, the ATF gets the information from the manufacturer as to which dealer purchased it. In turn they go to the dealer and see who he sold it to. Although I'm sure that some of you don't see the logic to this, but what it does is put citizens between the gun owner and the government to act as a check and balance to assure that the government is not using the information for anything else but legal investigation of a crime.

Once they know who bought the gun, they will pay that person a visit. Most gun owners know who they sold it to, if they sold it, but they are not required to keep that record. Some may keep a bill of sale anyway. Obviously, if the gun was stolen, the owner most likely doesn't know who stole it. Gun owners selling a gun are at least theoretically required to not sell a gun to someone "inappropriate" or irresponsible. There is a "reasonable" component here. If the gun owner sold it to a minor or someone he knew was ineligible to own a gun, he can be prosecuted for an illegal sale. Rarely used because there is deniability, but it can be used. They can make an idiot's life miserable and cost him a fortune in legal fees defending himself. Most legal, law abiding gun owners do follow the reasonable test. No doubt, some do abuse the private sales "loophole", but in fact they are breaking the law in its true sense if they are doing this as a business.

The article says 80% of gun used by convicted criminals are bought through private sales. Duh! If one criminal sells a stolen gun to another it is a private sale. Unless a criminal legally bought a gun through a dealer before he was a criminal, of course he will buy his gun in a "private sale". Or steal it himself. Doesn't mean it was a legal private sale. And in fact if he already is a criminal, his purchase is of course illegal. Very few law abiding gun owners are consciously selling guns to criminals. If they do, they are in fact breaking the law. The reality is that criminals are selling guns to other criminals and of course these are private sales. This will not change if they are by law required to have a background check done before selling the gun. The ATF could crack down on so called "private dealers" because legally, there is no such thing. It does happen.

The thing about requiring background checks on private sales is that it would be impossible to regulate without having some record keeping requirements on the sellers or government registrations. If you require every private sale individual to keep records like licensed dealers, there is no point in having licensed dealers anymore. Background checks can not legally be turned into quasi registration. Legally, the FBI is not supposed to know if you had one background check or 100. They can keep track of the number of total checks, but not link those records to the individuals. A failed check however is evidence ofan attempted crime and that record may be pulled and investigated. But a successful check is at least theoretically destroyed. I know people who can pass a background check and buy guns through dealers, but often buy private because they don't trust that the background check records aren't actually secret registration.

Although in principle, it sounds good to have universal backround checks for all sales, it is virtually impossible to do without government registration. Even gun owners who are in theory in favor of this haven't thought it out. If I want to sell a gun and I have to go to a licensed dealer to do it, and he charges me a fee to do the background check and keep the record as a licensed dealer, it sounds like this would work. But it doesn't. How does the ATF do a trace on that gun found in a crime? How do you know which dealer has that sales/background check record for that gun? I say I sold it through dealer X and he doesn't have the record. Who is at fault? He's the licensed dealer you made me go through. It isn't possible without a government registration of that sale. You'd hit the same black hole they do know when a gun gets sold multiple times. Without government registration it would be impossible to enforce. Over 300 million guns already out there would virtuallybe exempted because you could easily have sold that gun before the new law.

I have tried to write this law without registration and it is virtually impossible and at best would be extremely cumbersome. You won't sell this law with Federal registration and you won't force all the states to handle the registrations. Only a few states now have some type of registration requirement.

The Federal government has no business knowing who legally owns guns anymore than the have a right to know what is in your email or who you are having sex with. Law abiding gun owners are not criminals, and they are no more a "potential" criminal than any other citizen. The right to bear arms is a constitutional right. The government has no legitimate reason to know who is legally exercising that right. If you are doing it illegally, it's a different story. Just like it is the governments business if you are having sex with minors, but having legally consensual sex with other adults is none of their business. Would you like to see registered sex partners to control pedophiles? No I don't think anyone would think that is a good idea. I am sure many will say that is a stupid analogy, but it really isn't.

I am very much a Progressive and Obama supporter, and I see gun rights as a liberal issue. It is about the personal right to self defense. A Constitutional right. As much as a "universal" background check sounds good on the surface, we don't need this, and doing it will in fact just infringe on law abiding citizens. Criminals will not follow this law. We have plenty of gun laws on the books and we don't enforce them. The simplest way to greatly reduce criminals using guns is mandatory sentencing for use or possession of a gun in a crime with no parole. If you want to keep guns out of the hands of "people who shouldn't have them", the only truly effective way will be to eliminate all guns. And that isn't going to happen.

Diamondback 7

Once again they don't print the real deal. You do have to go through a background check at a gun show. You can't just walk-in and buy a gun. You have to have a background check, I am tired of the media flaming the fire on this issue.

Federal law does not require such checks for private sales or gun show purchases. Seventeen states have mandated them for handgun purchases at gun shows, though Ohio is not among them. Only six states require background checks for all firearms purchases.

Do you live one of the 17 states that mandate background checks?

1NewDay

I liked your post. It was free of insults, name calling and other personal attacks. I wish more people posting here would follow your example.

A gun is made, it is sold to a retailer, the retailer sells it in a legal sale to a consumer. Now something happens and a criminal gets the gun. The most important thing in all of this is "some how the criminal got the gun." The criminal can't buy a gun from a retailer or gun shop legally so he either steals it or buys it in a private sale and then he can sell it to another criminal and on and on. All guns start out legal. We consumers are actually arming the enemy. It's not our intention but we do.

Only the un-educated and brainwashed focus on guns/gun control and not the criminals. If you look at the statistics especially for concealed carry holders they are so small as not to be an issue...in fact prove they are the safer of all citizens because they now the value of having a privilege or right being taken away.

The uneducated people and the media want to demonize the law abiding citizen and not the criminal...our society has become apathetically pathetic. If you want change...demonize the criminal and make the penalty so severe as to send examples to society that weapons used in crimes is the most unacceptable act besides murdering with a weapon. Like, life for a life or hard prison in a work camp - you work all day long hard labor.

Our culture is so pathetically apathetic or soldiers are worse off than the criminals are. People commit crimes to get back inside the prison system, where they get medical care, food, and shelter. When you are on the outside freezing and a starving homeless person....you must realize we have it backwards. We as the freest nation on earth have the most amount of people incarcerated.

What a joke this nation has become where are criminals are given better accommodation than those that defend our freedoms those very freedoms that give us the right to bitch and complain to the point of taking our own freedoms away. Public Relations is the new GoD...and that is so very sad and says a lot about or TV dependent nation.

FOCUS ON CRIMINAL ACTS WITH WEAPONS USED IN CRIMES AND NOT THE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN...lets be real here folks not brainwashed, media regurgitating automatons.

Hey 1newday you literally are one of smartest most common sensed liberals I have ever read on this site in two years...touché'. Wish there were more like you regardless of party, but I have come to conclusion that libs are really out of touch and you give me hope they all aren't!!

Jim said:

Strato You really believe that stuff about left commies/progressives etc. You better read up on your presidents influeneces like Saul Alinsky,Cass Sunstein, Edward Bernase, also look into the Delphi Technique and come back and tell me they dont want to control everything. Progressives a 100 yrs ago were run out of town and to change thier name to liberal, that became a cancer now thier back to progressive. After our king is done damaging the country in another few years progressives will go back into hiding because the train is building up steam to pick them up. People are tiring off them and their efforts to control everything.

All, this what stupid looks like. There are three types of people in this world: the wills, the wont's and the cant's. The first accomplish everything, the second oppose everything, and the third fail in everything. Which one do you think Jim is? I'll give you a hint, he's not the first type.

If a gun is used in the commission of a crime, the registered owner is responsible before the fact even if the gun is reported stolen. (This would indicate that the gun owner didn't lock up the weapon securely enough.)

If your car is stolen and the driver later runs over someone and kills them are you responsible because maybe you left the car door open, or maybe the security system wasn't turned on, or you mistakenly left your keys in the car?

Of course not. That is a foolish suggestion.

The person responsible for the act is the driver/shooter. No one else.

Who is Frank Galt?

I have no idea who Frank Galt is, but JOHN Galt is a character is one of Ryan's books.

You don't have to agree with her politics, which many of us don't, but you could at least not show your lack of literacy by posting inaccurate information based on a character in literature. Just Google it.

We have a felon in possesion of a fire arm. Felony charge. Some one sold or gave him the guns. It is a felony charge to sell give or provide fire arms to a known felon. Find out who sold him the guns and put him or her in the next cell. Gun show sales made by a dealer still have to go through the same back ground check as they would at the dealers shop. If the feds would open the back ground checks for the general public, we could slow some of the sales who should not get them. The problem is and always will be the black market sales, where money talks and all else walks. Even if some how we could get every gun in North America, and melt them down, how long do you think it would be before some one started smuggling in a fresh supply?

Jedi,

I think the true anti-gun folks on "my side", really belong the the far left wing. But when something like this gets cranked up, others get caught up in it. I think to some extent it is a case of where if the other side opposes it, you should be for it. We have seen a lot of that on the right in recent years.

Part of the gun issue is associated with the urban/rural divide. Big cities tend be be a bit more Democratic and rural areas more Republican. In cites, guns see a lot of use by the criminal element such as gangs. If you personally aren't a gun person and only associate them with crime, you have a different perspective. Rural folks tend to see guns more as a useful tool rather than a means to commit crimes. A lot of people on the left getting caught up in this are reacting to tragedies without thinking through the personal rights part of this. As I say, I am somewhat amazed how gun rights got to be a conservative issue rather than a liberal one. Funny thing is that in some other countries, it has been just the opposite. In Australia, it was the conservatives who pushed through their gun ban while liberals complained. The "law and order" folks felt it was their duty to impose law and order. But then in the Southern hemisphere things are supposed to turn backwards I guess! But then Australia is a different type of democracy and ironically most citizens are decendents of the original outcast British criminals that made up the penal colony. Of course the Brits dumped some criminals in the Americas too, before the revolution.

I am a gun person because I like shooting sports and appreciate the science and engineering of it all. But I also think every person has a right to defend himself and a gun is indeed an equalizer against those who would force their way upon you. It makes those physically less powerful, equally as potent as an oppressor. I do believe that is really the basis of the second Amendment. When you really research the history, it was based on such rights to own guns centuries before in other countries. The thing about militias is I believe misinterpreted. As a State had the right to have militias to defend itself, so too did the citizens have a right to defend themselves. I don't buy the "protecting against a tyrannical government" bit because that is what the democracy spelled out in the Constitution did.

There is no doubt though, that wording in the Constitution was debated on a lot of things, they went through many revisions, some very minor changes in wording. But that was because the early colonialists were hardly of one mind. There were very diverse views then as there are now. Sometimes wording was tweaked so that the different viewpoints could make slightly different interpretations which made them happy. It wasn't like one viewpoint winning over the other, but instead it was a way to find compromise. The beauty of it was that it still ended up being written in such a way as to easily evolve. If the original Constitution included specific mention of women or Blacks as being equal citizens, it would never have been ratified. Yet we can look at it and feel very confident the the core principle of it includes them. By not mentioning them, it didn't really exclude them, but it didn't call attention to them either. This was the true brilliance of those who wrote it.

I am sure that as guns go, some clearly weren't so confident this crazy democracy thing was going to work and I'm sure they did feel that having guns as a personal right, also protected them from the tyrannical government potential. They likely wanted that reinforced so hence the cryptic part about militias. If you look at all the different historical documents they looked at when building the Bill of rights, you can see bits and pieces borrowed from all of them. It wasn't just the recent documents from different colonies they looked at, but in fact they looked at similar things dating back centuries before them. People like to think that our government and our Constitution were just a "home brewed" version of things that spoke specifically to the time. But in fact we borrowed from cultural societies dating back to the Greeks and Romans and everyone in between.

Anyway, I'm a strong believer in personal rights because if we all have those rights, we are stronger because of it. The Constitution didn't mention women, Blacks, gays or any other group specifically. What they were talking about though was mankind in general. That is what makes it so powerful a document. God is never mentioned in the Constitution either and religion was addressed very generically. They had good reasons for that. They had looked at history and seen the damage done by making too big a deal about God in governments. There were no Scientologists or even any Mormons at the time, but they made room for them as long as they stayed separate from the government and followed the civil laws. To have a religion of your choice and be free to believe what you want, was a personal right. Those who call themselves strict Constitutionalists, really don't have a clue what the Constitution was really about and how forward thinking the creators actually were.

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging that all liberals aren't crazy. We have our crazies just like conservatives do, but all of you aren't nuts either. I believe that there are more of us on both sides that are actually closer to middle ground, than the extremists on both sides. I just wish that most of us would feel more comfortable breaking from the pack when it starts going too far off in one dorection or the other. We'd all be better off if we could do this.

GE MIMI! Got Ass Burn, please post at a later time of the month.

These patriots who only hire bilingual spanish/english speakers and ship jobs out to China need to hang it up. With patriots like this, America will be dead in a few short years. You've got a Master's degree in business? I'm not hiring you. You may take away my position! I will go to the bad part of town and hire illegals to get in the back of my truck to do the work tax-free.

I think it's better to point out Stalin's name literally means "man of steel".

Correct they all are POS's..but that 'S' stands for supreme..like what they think..supreme race..not superman!

Seriously! He had his mug shot taken in a superman t-shirt? Really?

And in Detroit?.. where the population is, what, 85% African-American? He was, going to do what... declare for white supremacy while waving a gun, standing atop Woodward fountain? And his life expectancy would've been...? Yeah.. his little beerhall putsch plot would've been real successful there... Stupidest coup plotter ever.

CaliforniaFirst

I do not think you get to choose your apparel when having a mugshot taken. It is whatever you are wearing at the time. Or so I have heard...

LOL. And Superman was Jewish!!!

Why was this guy out of prison. He murdered someone, and attempted to kill two others. That is the real story here.

Important to note that he was not acting as part of an organized Hate group, just an individual embracing organized hate philosophy. A lot of people hate cops, but Dorner acted on his own self-spawned hate. Prison probably didn't help any mental health concerns he may have had, but I wouldn't read any great social movement in this guy anymore than I would read a great social movement against tyranny or racial justice by using guns by ex cop Dorner. These people have personal demons that take precedent over their concerns for the welfare of the general public or any organized philosophy.

It seems the Feds cannot follow their own policies regarding weapons purchases in that Schmidt was a convicted felon "who owned a sporting goods store". A lot of "sporting goods" stores have weapons for sale and at least the bureaucracy should have at least appraised what sporting goods Schmidt was selling/buying.

“It’s scary,” he said about Schmidt’s arsenal of weapons. “It’s not … that I won’t say” where Schmidt got his guns. “It’s that sitting here today as a senior federal law enforcement official in northern Ohio, I can’t say.”

Yes, we already forgot the sniper attacks in WDC using the Bushmaster.

Holly: sorry to burst your bubble but that won't curb illegally procured weapons from killing people. All it will do is place the same strain on the system as Canadas long arms registry did. Which wasted billions of dollars, was scrapped, and was called one of the worst and absolute waste of money in Canadian political history. While I do realise Canada and America are COMPLETELY different , in mannerism and especially in gun law, the fact remains that when some drug dealer or gang banger is carrying a gun it was either stolen or sold to them by another criminal. Stopping the gun show loophole WOULD work to reduce the number of weapons available to criminals, but forcing every jhon, jack and sally to register their weapons and take tests on a regular basis not only infringes on their perceived 2nd amendment rights, it also costs alot of money and creates an angry culture of anti politicos who might otherwise not have felt anger was ever necessary. The last thing you want to do is create MORE of these pro gun rights groups like the NRA and fan the flames of many a repub and countryman who was / is happily observing any and ALL laws imposed on them...

Holly, all weapons can be used from a "distance" and there like 100M gun owners (47% of US adults)... what you are proposing will cost billions per year... no way it can ever happen..

some people are proposing that ALL american weapons be registered, not just ones owned by citizens. With over 300 million firearms available ( estimated, likely alot more when you have factories producing thousands a day ) the cost JUST to create a log entry for each serial # would cost billions. Keeping the database up to date and following up on whatever 'incidents' or problems occur ( chasing the guns , computer / numerical errors ETC.. ) , unless they pay the debt back for the wars on terror and make a few trillion to fund this idea, oldhamletman is 100% correct. This is absurd to mention.

You know... The President gave the NRA a chance to help identify where to change the laws and do what they could to resolve issues like this, and all they could come up with is get more guns. You people are just like them. All gun owners are responsible and criminals won't follow laws and blah, blah, blah. This man had an arsenal that he acquired from LEGAL sources even though he was not legally allowed to own a gun. Every single one of those people at the gun show or the private owners should have done a background check to know whether or not he was allowed to own them - not one did. I hope that the ATF and FBI can trace those weapons back to the people who sold them to him and hold them accountable for selling a weapon to a felon. At the very least, they should be charged as an accessory to a terrorist. The NRA will go after anyone who tries to make real changes in the gun laws, and that's a real shame. That you and the NRA have decided to be a part of the problem rather than the solution. I hope that from now on, the authorities back track each gun that is involved with crimes and charge the legal owner of the weapon (unless he has already reported it stolen). I hope that the legislators in Washington, and each state get their fingers out of their collective rear ends and plug the loopholes that allowed this freak to get this cache.

First off, I am a Canadian who does not own firearms. I live in a house that does, however, keep arms. My father has a small collection of antique rifles, shotguns and a couple handguns, one being a target pistol , the other a novelty albeit a large and scary looking smith and wesson 686 revolver. Thats a .357 Magnum. My father has never once caused a single problem to ANYONE for ANY REASON with his firearms. We go so far as to lock them in a safe in the basement seperate from their ammunition. The long guns are registered.

Second , you have a constitution in place that protects your rights and freedoms. While you have every right to voice your concern and opinion against it, the second amendment truly does give every law abiding American the right to keep and bear a firearm in the most modern and common of terms, with limited restriction. The gun show loophole is not something I admire as I once did, and I feel , as you do, that it should be dealt with immediatly. Nobody should be allowed to buy a gun from a stranger without a background check and possibly a mental health examination. That said, the majority of people in the U.S. who keep firearms are like my father. While they might live in a different country and observe better freedoms, I have absolute faith that the majority of them agree that firearms laws should be amended to better protect the people. The respectable, law abiding people of the nation are your only response to criminals who would otherwise terrorize you with or without the very laws and freedoms you so foolishly wish to devoid yourself of.

... then we really ought to stand up and put down the lies we've been telling ourselves, and the world, since our founding. The BS about the "value of one American life" is as much dog dung as "Manifest Destiny", "All men" being "created equal", "These colors never run" and the rest of our delusional mythology. When we get down to "causes & conditions" in this country, America walks on "feet of clay"! And virtually everybody in the world seems to know it, but us. That's why we're so despised, as a society, worldwide! Not because we're rich (for now), arrogant, self-serving, decadent and dangerous, to ourselves and to others (especially to "others"), all of which is true, but because we are pathologically and institutionally hypocritical- a nation deluded by a collective belief in it's own worst lies, but a nation that will readily condemn others for believing theirs. Is it to harsh to say, despite the lies we tell ourselves, that we are in fact content as a nation to stand by and watch people die in the streets, or hospital waiting rooms and ERs, from avoidable gun violence or lack of universal preventative healthcare. The truth is that the answer to this question is not just a simple yes, but an unequivocal and resounding, ABSOLUTELY! People die in this country by the thousands-upon-thousands, from these two causes, year-after-year, and we continue to do little or nothing to stop the carnage. So for once, and finally, why don't we stand-up tell the simple truth to ourselves, our children, and to the world, at large; the truth that, in America, capital will always try to trump conscience, compassion and, if need be, the Constitution, every time! The truth is that, for us, capital defines the meaning of 'Truth, justice and the American way", in this country. The dollar determines "winners and losers" in this "Shining City on a Hill". Money makes the difference between those who have and those who don't; and, in all too many cases, it is the difference between those who live and those who die. If we're not willing to change, isn't it time, at least, to be true to ourselves, to our true nature, as a people; time to admit to what we truly are? Isn't it time we stop living the American lie- a lie that, deep down, few of us, if any, truly believe.

I agree, millions have died in this country because of our inaction. What are rights when compared to human life! Now is the time to completely outlaw....... abortion! Not what you want to hear? This is exactly how the liberals sound to the people who believe that the Constitution is not a piece of paper to be used to wipe Obama's a$$! I personally believe in the right for women to have an abortion, but, I also believe that the liberals are over-reaching in their gun control mantra and it will seriously bite them in the a$$!

Holly-OK, And just who decides who qualifies? Read Joseph Heller's "Catch 22" and get back to me! I was riding my bike this afternoon and was nearly run over by two morons driving with one hand and holding their cell phone up with the other. BAN cell phones-there is No protection in the Constitution for driving with a cell phone and I guarantee more people are killed by drivers with cell phones than "Assault rifles"!

Ooooh! I like that one!! :)

Brock your opinions show your inteligence, bet you voted democrat, twice at least

Now, now, Dan their call Progressives, remember. They have No ties to the Socialist movement in this country, non at all. Just all free thinks, just came up with it on there own. They think enterprising young men should be the only gun owners if you ask them. There's no need for gun registration, there shouldn't be any guns at all. You know the head in the clouds movement!!

Don't like guns... don't own one! Don't like abortions... don't get one. But DON't tell me whether I can or not!

Dan:

The Nazi Party was a far-right party. They were extremely anti-marxist and extremely nationalistic (hmm, I wonder if you would agree that democrats fit this definition) that adopted socialistic measures by convincing the population that it was best for the state to control the methods of production for the greater good of the German nation. Note though that they were ardent believes of private property and not in nationalization. You may still call them socialist, but ignoring the rest of their ideology seems a bit dishonest to me.

After all, the GOP stands for Grand Old Party, but they are not very old, and there is nothing grand about them either.

To put it simply Dan M, Wich party do you think a neo-nazi is more likely to vote for? The democrats with all those blacks, jews, women and other minorities? Or would they be more likely to vote republican? A party of mostly white men?

Well, now, don't hold the cons/Nazis to too high a standard. They are only capable of reading titles. Understanding what the reality behind those titles is, is much too much for them.

The fact that the people claiming Nazis are socialists is making me fear for the educational system in the US. Seriously did you even study history or do you make stuff up as you go along? The Nazi party was an extreme right wing conservative party. They sought to get rid of foreigners, Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, the infirm, the mentally and physically handicapped and they didn't care much for intellectuals either. Sounds like the current state of the GOP.

Here in Canada we had 87 gun related homicides in 2011 because we have required national registries for all fire arms, there is also a 4 month waiting period for obtaining a gun permit. The over all process to obtain a gun permit is also rather drawn out compared to how it is in the US. Civilians are also prohibited from obtaining military grade weapons and we have a limit of how much ammo you can purchase in total.

Also because Canada has UHC we have accessable and affordable health care for all of our citizens so if you need to get mental health care there is no problem obtaining it no matter what your income level. Something that can't be said about the US. Hmm not bad for a Democratic Socialist country.

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Every single illegal gun came from a legal source. If someone stole your gun, report it. The problem isn't RESPONSIBLE people who own guns, its the ones who sell a gun without checking to see if the guy buying is allowed to have it, and requiring registration. If a background check is required before a gun can be sold, and the gun is required to be registered to the individual who owns it, then if that gun shows up in a crime somewhere, that individual can be charged as an accessory unless he can show that he wasn't involved - IE a police report that his gun was stolen. (Not some 2 days after the fact, oh, you found my gun, I was going to report it stolen.) If someone is caught with an unregistered gun, put him in jail for having an unregistered gun - you have to put that in the law requiring registration. Then go look for the guy that gun was registered to. Was it stolen? Find the police report. If it wasn't reported, charge that guy too because you have to have control over your gun. You can't be allowed to loan your gun out to a friend.

Some state legislators in Washington state just tried to slip a bill into their legislature which would have made it a crime to not allow police to inspect your firearms to make sure they were "properly stored"! This sounds like a violation of our right to privacy and illegal search!

Um...yeah, I'd say you're confused. Your reply belongs to a different article.

Don't you know how to comprehend what you read?

hahahah I assume he has multiple windows / tabs open

Confussed,

I think you are confused about where you are.

1. Wrong article, please reread and post in proper forum.

2. If this was the right article ( which I doubt ), seeing as this Nazi dumkopf is a convicted felon, he would never have a CHL or weapon permit.

the article in question was about a guy who put a loaded clip for his glock in his oven, then let a guest turn on said oven to cook waffles without warning them or removing the clip... Headline was something something "woman shot by oven". No joke.

Either you need glasses, you're responding to a different story, or your reading comprehension is nil. This man does not have a ceoncealed permit, nor is he eligible to get one.

Cameron: "Nuthin' says luvin', like somethin' from the oven, and Pillsbury says it best."

In the spirit of Confussed;

"I like turtles"

tracking problem? alot of weapons are stolen too. And many more purchased 'legally' by folks who turn around and mass sell loads of them for huge profit in other states. Yes , it is a tracking problem, but moreover, its a multi faceted and completely diverse 'problem' that has no real solution. The wild west is what it is. Always will be. If guns weren't invented, if we didn't have them, the same @!$%# would happen. It would just be alot closer, and ALOT messier.

I bet if they passed a law saying that if you sold or gave a gun away and it was involved in a crime you could be held liable unless you possessed paperwork that you sold the gun, there would be a lot more paperwork around. I honestly believe that all transfers of guns - sale or gift - should go through a licensed broker or dealer that has his license on the line so that he loses it if he doesn't do the checks. No more private sales, gun show deals etc. If the gun show has brokers, they can sell, otherwise, it's look but don't buy. No background checks, no gun. Period.

Why don't we just make it a crime to use a weapon to kill somebody... that should stop the killing shouldn't it? WE have SOOOOO many gun laws, why don't people realize the criminals don't care about the laws and leave the people alone that are not criminals?? Instad people are trying to find more ways to make criminals out of people that have no CRIMINAL FREAKIN' INTENT!

There was an attempt to track down illegal guns seized in NYC one time and they found over half came from just a handful of store in the south. But between the fact that the government is not allowed to track weapons, and that the republicans have all but stripped the ATF of its powers and staff the problem never gets solved.

lol thats what you found frustrating? the dude was planning a neo nazi massacre FFS. Hes like a white chris dorner but instead of cops its minorities, and those minorities never fired him from a force. rofl

Yes, it is frustrating because dumb asses like him give responsible law abiding gun owners a bad rap. Then we have to contend with idiots who start screaming about gun control, weapon bans and recension of my 2nd Amendment rights. Thank you very much!!!

Plus, I can't find ammo for the gun range because everybody is hoarding it!

those are all valid frustrations, but the lack of ammo was all you voiced in the initial comment that I replied to. I agree though, bullets should be for good guys, bad guys should be on the receiving end.

@RLTW Ranger--boy, I do believe you nailed. Totally agree.

RLTW, thanks for your service. I did 22 years Navy, and served along side bretheren and sisteren from all the services. Keep safe and Keep Strong!

People do go overboard on the restricting guns. But on the other side have you read some of the comments here? Some of these people actually want to justify it because people are trying to take away guns or because there is crime elsewhere.

Ayn Rand, the old witch, applied for and then got Medicare, after she got cancer in her old age. She sold out her soul, completely. She is typical of disgusting Republican hypocrite-scum. Who is John Galt? Apparently, he is a government welfare moocher.

Just one question Roosterboy. Have you ever read any of Ayn Rand's books or are you just talking out of your a$$ like so many liberals? Please just have an education before you insult something or someone!

I got a kick out of Roosterboy also. He has a bad habit never really discussing the topic at had, just seem to do a lot of bashing with no proof or focus. A true lib!! Notice the loose discussion on the story line. It won't last till tomorrow, it's got way to many gun owners discussing reality. Can't have no reality on MSNBC. No way!!!

What is the big deal about Ayn Rand? OK, her last words were "... the world is ending for me.." True for all of us, don't ya think?

No thank you, that's a fool's bet right there!

RLTW; Thanks for serving. Son was 1/75th '04 - '07.

if he is a white supremist probably did a write in vote for Hilter

I thought romney WAS hitler

He sure as heck didn't vote for Obama!

Actually, this guy reminds me more of one of those Robert Byrd Democrats.

One of those registered Democrats in West Virginia who voted for Keith Judd, a convicted and jailed felon instead of President Obama.

I hate to tell you liberals on the site that more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights act than Democrats. How about the fact that the Republicans were formed as an anti-slavery party. How about the civil war in which Lincoln (a Republican) had his country fight its own brothers and fathers in the South in order to free millions of blacks from slavery! The Democrats are now trying to buy the African-American vote not by being a voice in the protection and evolution of blacks in this country, but, by being a government "Santa Claus" and giving them money, housing, and even free phones in order to keep them in line! This is a new form of slavery from the same party which enslaved the descendants of these same black Americans!

Just to remind you.... This guy was a convicted felon. I don't remember if the state he was from allows convicted felons to vote.

And most unlicensed and illegal gun owners are convicted felons, all across this great land. Inner city, hip hop, house invation types. You know, they need a community organizer to speak for them. Those folks!!! And they always vote Democratic, it gets them a check every month in the mail. And when there short on money it's get out the illegal weapon and find a conveniant bank or gas station to HIT!!! Seem to me those ought to be the ones with out the GUNS!

The Dems switched to the Repub party years back because blacks joined the (then dominant in the South) Dem party after the civil war. So what is the big revelation?.

Seeing as felons can't vote in state and federal elections I'd say he didn't vote for anyone. Have you considered trying to go back to school or something, because it seems that it would be a good idea to try and repeat a few grades.

not only that it says he wounded two other people at that shooting. And it was an apparent traffic stop. Wondering if that means stopped at a light or the more common meaning, being pulled over by police. For all we know, the dead or wounded could have been cops.

The main reason they are released is that the prisons don't have enough money due to budget cuts. I think that in cases like this guy - he probably was involved in a shoot out with the cops - it should have been shoot to kill.

The main reason for these douche bags getting out is that budgets are cut, meaning less money into the prisons. Now these POS that committed crimes have to have large screen TVs and good food, good health care, and can't be too crowded... so once they get near a time to be paroled, they let them out. Murder should be mandatory No Parole - not even a hope of getting out. No number of years - just life. Prisons should be basic - a cell, indoor plumbing, and maybe an exercise yard. No TV, no movies, no nothing. You aren't there for a vacation, you're there because you broke the dagone law. If you take away their goodies, you should have plenty of money to keep the prisons open, and maybe people will want to stay out of them.

Kind of ironic though, the guy being a neo nazi,.

Relax, they only want to prevent people from owning automatic weapons, assault style weapons and rocket launchers etc, and clips that can hold a large number of rounds - oh, and armor piercing ammo. This will never be like Nazi Germany dude. The people are demanding that the government do something about the number of innocent people getting killed. Unfortunately, the NRA walked rather than try to help the situation. What they are going to have to do is to ramp up the registration, and fix the loopholes in sales to prevent thugs like this one getting things he shouldn't have had access to. You know, if the legal owners of those guns that guy had were subject to being sued or charged as accessories if he did anything, you can bet they'd start documenting gun sales, and doing background checks in a hurry.

Wow, you people are exhausting, and boring! Let's do away with the "leftist, dems, socialists" BS. Get a grip on yourself. There is absolutely NO REASON to be armed with automatic weapons if you are, supposedly, a casual gun user or hunter. The fact that the gun industry has failed miserably in keeping these weapons out of the hands of mentally unstable people is enough to call for further restrictions and requirements. In any other industry, it would be a no brainer. If you can turn off your "political" brains long enough to actually look at the problem, from a human position, how can you deny there is a need for change? Please quit bringing all of your political crap into the argument. The fact is, when I go to a mall or a hair salon, I'm waiting for someone to start shooting. I rarely go to movies anymore. This is no way to live. The rest of the world views us as a gun-toting, violent nation. I don't want to be knwn as that, but what can you do when your rate of death from gun violence is hundreds of percentage points above anywhere else, (except Colombia)?

If you want to protect me from bad policy, VOTE.

If you want to commit suicide, point your little gun at this government.

Your problems will end shortly, I promise.

Speaking as someone that can sit back and watch thier plans unfold in the long run I can say this, any form of extra control over the people will always start lightly s a simple law passed to restrict the peoples rights, a Ban or forced registration of anyting does little in the grnd sceam of all things, it is merely the first step to a higher goal to control the people in mass, being a writer I have to be able to create charaters, Heros nd Villians of diffrent types, the sceamer is a simple planner tt manipulates others into what they disign as thier master plan, Obama fits this arctype perfectly, but whenever he meet opposition he buckles as the cowardly type does.

The current NRA is an insult to what they once were, originally they were a non-politicle group that focused on teaching marksmansip, and enlightening people about the pros and cons of firearms, now they are corrupted by the greed that affects much of this nation.

As for the Second Admendment, it states this country is to have a regulted and well armed Militia in order to keep the Goverment in cheak, last time I read a Militia is a group of Civilins tht train with Military grade weapons in order to take up arms in case emergincy, we are heading down a dark ph as a nation, our Goverment has started taking the steps to take control over the people and we have to keep ourselves aware of these actions, and this is precisely what the Second Admendment was writen for.

Michael, do you make your living as a writer? In 3 paragraphs I counted 25 spelling errors, in addition to problems with grammar and sentence structure. There may be more, but I am dead tired right now. Reading your comment makes me want to take a red Sharpie to my computer screen. Good night to you. Signed, The Original Grammar Nazi.

Well, in this instance it is the Demo's pushing for confiscation.... so until you see the senators from Wyoming, Montana and Utah screaming for more "reasonable gun control" we are gonna call it a liberal grab!

He's a liberal? Geez. Nobody told me Neo-Nazis were liberals. *writing in my book*

If a law was passed that the legal owners of guns could be held responsible for crimes committed by undocumented holders of these weapons (even if they were sold to the person, just not documented), suddenly there would he a bunch of people checking backgrounds, and documenting everything. In fact, you may not even need a law - just have someone get shot by someone who bought a gun that could be traced back to someone who sold it privately and didn't do a background check - then have the person who got shot sue the pants off the legal owner.

debnran, Nazis were totalitarian Leftists.

Arthur is proving yet again how stupid he is. Nazi's as Leftists....what an idiot.

Once again, Hitler's party was called The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP). The NAZIs and Communists were COMPETITORS for the same totalitarian power they both sought. A linear spectrum from Fascist to
Communist doesn't really capture what's going on here. It may have even been a propaganda ploy by either side to distance themselves from what is essentially the flip-side of the same coin--coercive totalitarian government power "in the name of the people" or "for the good of the people..."

Prez O's campaign slogan "Forward"? Anyone remember Rachel Maddow lamenting on MSNBC over the ethics of yanking the Wikipedia article on the German Socialist publications whose propaganda mastheads had the party slogan of "Vorwarts!" or Forward? I got a copy of it before the Leftist propagandist editors of
Wikipedia-land took it down. Gotta hide the truth, because the truth leads back to the Marxist German Socialist origins of the current leadership of the Demmunist party. Socialism vs. Fascism is a false dichotomy.

Never stop questioning, never accept "the party line" from anyone...

Are you serious? Those are some really idiotic points you've made loaded with logical fallacies and spurious relationships. First off, National socialism is NOT socialism and you're a fool for arguing otherwise. Anyone who has studied German politics (and the Nazi Party in particular) knows that, A) there was an ACTUAL socialist party (the German SP) and B) that Hitler believed socialism and communism were Jewish plots against Christian Germany. That and the Nazi's were authoritarian, not totalitarian and if you're unaware of the difference that would explain much. Not to mention, your entire arc of reasoning relies upon the fallacy of "Hitler liked sugar"...that is, if the Nazi party had "socialist" in its name, obviously it was socialist (by your hilarious definition North Korea is a democratic republic like the US...hey, it's in their name!). This sort of dim reasoning permeates amongst those who lack basic intellect or command of historical fact. The Nazi Party before Hitler joined was known as the far-right German Workers Party and was mostly made up of disaffected former military (hence the large SA private militia which is another way to recognize a far-right movement- militarism and private militias). In Germany to this day National Socialism is ONLY identified on the far right, the same place it resides in political and historical textbooks. Authoritarian movements are incompatible with leftist politics- they rely upon intense discrimination including violence against minorities. Their allegiance is entirely to the authority (hence the root word of fascism- the fasces were a group of sticks carried in Rome to signify authority). Fascism also resides intensely in identity politics which is why fascism is always associated with nationalism, that is the exclusion of 'mongrels' from a racial and/or religious 'order' or super-class which embodies economic, ideological and ethnic purity. How you're dumb enough to NOT know even the very basic tenets of National Socialism is beyond me- National Socialism was obsessed with establishing a 'pure' Germany with a super-class residing over a slave class. The super-class were to be extremely wealthy, 'pure-blooded' and superior from the context of the flawed social logic inherent in a societal survival of the fittest idiom. They were intensely racist, anti-semitic, misogynist and believed they could attain genetic supremacy. I think it's cute how you skew to Sinclair Lewis's writing of "When Fascism Comes to America" though. Keep trying conspiracy theorist, keep trying.

Well said! Thank you for your post, Chris. This ridiculous idea that Nazism is somehow Far-Left Liberal Socialism is spreading like a plague lately.

Socialism= Nazism... well that totally explains the Sikhs in Parliment since I live in a Democratic Socialist country called Canada.

He's no Christian, Ted.

Drivel

I doubt he's a Christian, but I can bet that guy was among the "You can't take away my 2nd amendment rights" group.

Leave it up to anti-Christian bigot bilbao72 to post the garbage coming out of his fifth grade education brain.

Hey, check out the big brain on Arty! Compared to an amoeba, ,maybe. To me, being an anti-Christian is being anti-pedophilia, anti-meth dealing, hypocritical promiscuously gay priests, like Cardinal Eddie Egan's pal in Connecticut. It means being able to think critically, and not just unquestionably swallowing the ludicrous dogma promulgated by the various "Christian" hierarchies around the world. So if being an "anti-Christian bigot" is what that implies to you, I'm proud to be one for you, and all the other dogma spewing, bible thumping jackwagons here, whose motto is still "Kill a Commie for Christ!".

By golly he is a fool and he admitted it!! Very good fool, keep it up!! It's late and you probably have school tomorrow or house arrest.

@mymom......fool---drivel

hate to break it to you but probably was Christian, the kkk loves to use the bible for their purposes. I know it sucks but fact is people use every type of religion for their evil purposes no form is safe.

debnran

your an idiot, this is an example of why law abiding citizens should have guns, this is a convicted felon who has no 2nd amendment protection and is forbidden by law to own a gun but again it is hard to explain these things to idiots like you who have your head so far up obama your welfare momma's butt that we can see you behind his false teeth, felons and criminals do not obey laws and will always get guns and that is why they hope gun laws are passed then they can come to the home of a moron like you and rob you and rape your dog and beat your toothless wife as they know you will be unarmed.

I do not know and I would not have posted that comment — because i don't know,

but I do know that many of these KKK & neo-Nazi types do call themselves "Christians."

That does not mean they are, in fact, Christians by any Christian standard, but it is a fact

that many of the actual Nazis were Christians, most Roman Catholics, and some active.

Thanks for the laugh. I cannot imagine how did you come up with Caligula.

Lack of intellect is the first thing that comes to mind. Gross stupidity is the second.

Mymom, cool pic. Kinda like the shop owner from Pawn Stars. Rock on, Dude!

"Aw gimme a break!!! More anti-gun B.S!!!!! All hail President Caligula!!!"

I hope that question is on a sanity test for gun ownership

because this clown fails the minimum test for sanity.

That comment is psychotic.

Bulgar did not buy those guns legally, idiot.

Hey Johnny

he bought them at a gun show, and, its amazing how brave you are to call me an idiot when your anonymous. love to have you call me that to my face

Hey Johnny

here is the article, Bulger bought 15 guns including a shotgun at gun shows, no background check, no nothing, just bought them from yet another "responsible gun owner". He didn't even need to show identification. So, what was illegal about it? Now who's the idiot?